From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V5 #241 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, September 24 2000 Volume 05 : Number 241 Today's Subjects: ----------------- **looking for people to record stuff** [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Re: **looking for people to record stuff** [KrodKnid@aol.com] Robin Hood. [Kyron2046@aol.com] Re: Robin Hood. ["Anthony Bender" ] Re: Robin Hood ["nem0 Wood" ] picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) [KrodKnid@aol.com] Poe on the radio (was other stuff) [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Re: Robin Hood. [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: Robin Hood ["Red Halcyon" ] MZD: Whalestoe Letters contest! [Erik J Hartley ] Re: Robin Hood. [TimmysPrplMunky@aol.com] Re: Poe on the radio (was other stuff) [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: POE Questions [LiLBLondeHairGrL@aol.com] Re: Robin Hood. [LiLBLondeHairGrL@aol.com] Re: POE Questions [KoriG@aol.com] Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) ["The Masque of th] The Ballad of LilBlondeHairGrl [AT ] Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) ["Anthony Bender" ] Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) [KrodKnid@aol.com] NPR / KPR - Killer Domain Registration Site - FREE Reservations. [Cyberfa] NPR - REPOST: http://www.domainevolution.com [Cyberfan Corporation > I am sure there are audio programs that are like "Hypersnap" is for video. With Hypersnap you can "snap" still pix right from live video feed on the internet...or take still shots from any movie you are watching in Windows. There must be audio software around that lets you record from streaming content...then with a little channel surfing for streaming internet radio shows...well, who knows what you could turn up:-) As for DAT, if you have an optical or digital connection on your soundcard in addition to the regular line in/out, mic in, sound out etc. connections, then you can feed straight digital audio to or from DAT without losing any quality...it doesn't have to go through analog to get to/from the DAT; it just transfers the digital content. I know there are expensive soundcards around that offer one or both of these connections, but did you know that if you have a Creative Labs "Soundblaster 'Live' Edition" soundcard, you can get an optional optical input/output card that works with it for about $40 or $45...maybe even less if you shop around. With something like that, you could DAT to your heart's content from MP3s decoded back into wav/cd audio files. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 06:03:35 EDT From: Kyron2046@aol.com Subject: Robin Hood. So now we're robbing from the ritch and giving to the poor. We are hurting the big bad record company. NO it comes down to this. As my Beloved metallica would say, "it's only fun when it's not your shit." It comes down to the fact that ya don't give a fuck about the music, ya want some fucking song that sounds niffty and you'll pass it away, or you want braggin rights to a bunch of peopel that really don't matter. Napster supports The decimation of bands like Poe, Do you think Poe wants to have NO CHOICE but to go to your crappy little town and play.. far away from her family and friends, because she HAS to? Why does she have to? because Her record sales while not being bad were not QUITE what the record company wanted. But no everyone hides behind the fact that the record company makes a killing. BEcause they don't want ot face the fact that they are hurting the artist.. no i take that back.. you don't give a fuck. These peopel are on lists like this not because they liek the artist.. but because they want to be able to say, "yea I liked them back when.." they don't give a fuck about the music. You hear something catchy and throw it away. You say it's your right?? Oh yes.. I forgot.. we're americans.. we can take what we want.. because it's our right.. the only freedom you know is if you TAKE it from someone. Yea CD's cost fucking money.. ya know why?? Because it costs a fuck Load of money to make them! Ever try to produce your own CD?? No you fucking probably have not.. well I got news for ya boyo's. it's not cheep. It costs a fucking arm and a leg. Why are these peopel listening to Poe anyways? shouldn't they be grabin some Lip Bizki.. ah whatever the fuck that band is. Robin hood. that's some funny shit. You contradicted yourself completely. When someone comes up and takes YOUR shit, I wish I could know. because I would laugh my as off. i hope someday you poor your heart and soul into something.. and then have someone take it and RAPE it, so you know what it's liek to lose control of your music. it's not a matter of money. It's a matter of Music.. and if YOU don't make music. Shit up. you Have grounds to say Nothing on this matter. You are not involved. Just another one of the huddled masses who support Napster simply because your inconsiderate selfrightous ass can get shit for free. Your probably one of the peopel who in highschool drew Anarchy signs on your folder than got pissed because the garbage man was late. I gues the Big Question is this: When did money become more important than the music? Napster is not a money issue. It's a rights issue. If poe WANTED to GIVE you her music. She'd have fucking mailed it to you. But ya know what.. as Everlast likes to say.. it's a fun job.. but it's still a Job. It takes money to make the machine go. You support the artist? You accept what that costs. It's simple.. if not.. I'm sure there's a brittany spears list or something. I'm to exhausted to deal with this. Oh.. and don't bother responding.. After the last session of anger filled posts a couple months ago I stopped reading anything except what comes from Jarrod. I just had a friend call and ask me what was srong with you.. so I read your post. Jarrod is a fucking hardcore Poe fan. Hell he's THE Hardcore poe fan. i was amazed at this guys gusto back in highschool. now I'm like. Damn it's been that long.. and he's still strong supporting. So he is one of the Few peopel on this list I pay any credibilty to. not the ONLY person. Just one of the few. Hence one of the reasons I rarely post anything. All half the people want is a fight. One which I will not provide. I've said my piece. take from it what you will. I heard your end. i've said mine. As far as I'm concerned the matter ON MY END is closed. - -KYRON kyron@poe.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:07:49 -0500 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: Robin Hood. I know Kyron said no reply was wanted but who gives a fuck right? Try searching any music made after 1974, look for the copyright date. I should say copyright 1974 or something. Now look at a book, it will say the most recent date it was published. After 7 to 8 years the rights of a book go back to the author but the rights to music never go back to the artist (as per copyright). 45 years from now POEs label will still own the rights to her music. The artists get paid x-amount of money for every CD that is sold, usually about 5 cents up to 50. The record companies are making a killing and the artist suffers. The artist has to go on tour to promote the music or else the record won't sell, t-shirts won't be sold and the label won't get paid for all the artists work. Making a cd doesn't cost millions of dollars since the same people and equipment can be used for many artists cds. As for it being fun unless it's your shit. Who is Metallica to talk? The only reason they got popular and signed by a label was because of many people NOT buying their demo tapes but making copies and passing them out. Another thing, the new POE cd hasn't been released yet so no one should have it right? How come last month I was able to d/l all of it off Napster? Think the labels are trying to do something here? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 5:03 AM Subject: Robin Hood. > > So now we're robbing from the ritch and giving to the poor. We are hurting > the big bad record company. > NO it comes down to this. As my Beloved metallica would say, "it's only fun > when it's not your shit." > It comes down to the fact that ya don't give a fuck about the music, ya want > some fucking song that sounds niffty and you'll pass it away, or you want > braggin rights to a bunch of peopel that really don't matter. > > Napster supports The decimation of bands like Poe, Do you think Poe wants to > have NO CHOICE but to go to your crappy little town and play.. far away from > her family and friends, because she HAS to? > Why does she have to? because Her record sales while not being bad were not > QUITE what the record company wanted. > > But no everyone hides behind the fact that the record company makes a > killing. BEcause they don't want ot face the fact that they are hurting the > artist.. no i take that back.. you don't give a fuck. These peopel are on > lists like this not because they liek the artist.. but because they want to > be able to say, "yea I liked them back when.." > > they don't give a fuck about the music. You hear something catchy and throw > it away. > > You say it's your right?? Oh yes.. I forgot.. we're americans.. we can take > what we want.. because it's our right.. the only freedom you know is if you > TAKE it from someone. > > Yea CD's cost fucking money.. ya know why?? Because it costs a fuck Load of > money to make them! Ever try to produce your own CD?? No you fucking > probably have not.. well I got news for ya boyo's. it's not cheep. It costs > a fucking arm and a leg. > > Why are these peopel listening to Poe anyways? shouldn't they be grabin some > Lip Bizki.. ah whatever the fuck that band is. > > Robin hood. that's some funny shit. You contradicted yourself completely. > When someone comes up and takes YOUR shit, I wish I could know. because I > would laugh my as off. i hope someday you poor your heart and soul into > something.. and then have someone take it and RAPE it, so you know what it's > liek to lose control of your music. > > it's not a matter of money. It's a matter of Music.. and if YOU don't make > music. Shit up. you Have grounds to say Nothing on this matter. You are > not involved. Just another one of the huddled masses who support Napster > simply because your inconsiderate selfrightous ass can get shit for free. > Your probably one of the peopel who in highschool drew Anarchy signs on your > folder than got pissed because the garbage man was late. > > I gues the Big Question is this: > When did money become more important than the music? Napster is not a money > issue. It's a rights issue. If poe WANTED to GIVE you her music. She'd > have fucking mailed it to you. > > But ya know what.. as Everlast likes to say.. it's a fun job.. but it's > still a Job. > It takes money to make the machine go. You support the artist? You accept > what that costs. It's simple.. if not.. I'm sure there's a brittany spears > list or something. > > I'm to exhausted to deal with this. > > Oh.. and don't bother responding.. After the last session of anger filled > posts a couple months ago I stopped reading anything except what comes from > Jarrod. I just had a friend call and ask me what was srong with you.. so I > read your post. > Jarrod is a fucking hardcore Poe fan. Hell he's THE Hardcore poe fan. i was > amazed at this guys gusto back in highschool. now I'm like. Damn it's been > that long.. and he's still strong supporting. So he is one of the Few peopel > on this list I pay any credibilty to. not the ONLY person. Just one of the > few. > > Hence one of the reasons I rarely post anything. All half the people want is > a fight. > One which I will not provide. I've said my piece. take from it what you > will. > I heard your end. i've said mine. As far as I'm concerned the matter ON MY > END is closed. > > -KYRON > > kyron@poe.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 09:01:35 -0600 From: "nem0 Wood" Subject: Re: Robin Hood The problem with that arguement is that you're assuming no one who downloads off Napster ever buys CDs. Big generalization there, bub. I downloaded Poe's CD because I couldn't wait 'til October. But when that day in October comes I'll be first in line when the mall opens to buy her CD. Some of us treat Napster like the radio. It's a way to hear music without any strings attached. And when you're in a backwater hellhole like I am, and the only things on the radio are country and top 40, Napster is about the only way to find new artists and new music by favorite artists. Some of us do buy CDs, y'know. elsetime, nem0 - --- "I'm not a wallflower. I'm a ninja, and I'm trying to blend into the wallpaper. Now go away before you blow my cover." - -- http://nem0.cjb.net - -- ICQ#: 32102269 Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:14:19 EDT From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) OK, everyone reading this, when you get bored, the Poe content is at the end ;) If you want to record though, or get better equipment, this can be a not-too-confusing start... In a message dated 9/23/00 2:13:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Krod Knid writes: When replying, please delete anything you're not directly replying to... > I am sure there are audio programs that are like >"Hypersnap" is for video. > There must be audio software around that lets you record >from streaming content Nobody has expressed any interest to me in getting MZD's RealAudio readings on CDR, since they're easily available. Plus you can legally buy the KCRW one. I do have the programs to do it, it's only my own video that I haven't had time/ability to encode. As for capturing stills from streaming video, why would I want to do that when I can (usually) capture the whole video? ;P > As for DAT, if you have an optical or digital connection >on your soundcard I don't have a DAT, which is why I was asking for people who do ::) and the people who do, I'm sure know what they're doing so they transfer digitally. I should hope so anyway! The bigger problem is, is there anyone here who can transfer digitally from MiniDisc? That's less common because most players don't have an optical out, and then after that I believe you need an op/dig adapter. > you have a Creative Labs "Soundblaster 'Live' Edition" >soundcard, you can get > an optional optical input/output card that works with it >for about $40 or $45. Not recommended by some people, because it resamples or something. Please don't ask me more about that, way off-topic and I don't have a clue ;) Search on the DAT-Heads list for all that stuff. www.google.com is very useful. > ..maybe even less if you shop around. With something like >that, you could DAT > to your heart's content from MP3s decoded back into wav/cd >audio files. MP3 back to wav to DAT, when it's possible to get wavs directly from the original source, sure is a good way to piss off most traders ::P So anyway...does anyone want to trade Poe/MZD now?? ;P Me looking for Garbage boots. Also I would like scans or photocopies of MZD articles, if anyone is willing to help I could trade older Poe articles for them. - --Michele ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:35:16 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) In a message dated 9/23/2000 11:33:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, VR5SBloom@aol.com writes: << Nobody has expressed any interest to me in getting MZD's RealAudio readings on CDR, since they're easily available. Plus you can legally buy the KCRW one. I do have the programs to do it, it's only my own video that I haven't had time/ability to encode. As for capturing stills from streaming video, why would I want to do that when I can (usually) capture the whole video? ;P >> I was referring more to the idea of capturing live Poe radio events off the net. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:37:35 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) In a message dated 9/23/2000 11:33:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, VR5SBloom@aol.com writes: << The bigger problem is, is there anyone here who can transfer digitally from MiniDisc? That's less common because most players don't have an optical out, and then after that I believe you need an op/dig adapter. >> Well, minidisks will play in most regular cd players...including a 'puter. That's what the smaller indentation in the middle of the cd tray is for:-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:48:35 EDT From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Poe on the radio (was other stuff) In a message dated 9/23/00 8:35:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Krod Knid writes: > I was referring more to the idea of capturing live Poe radio events off the > net. That I can do, except I can't be sitting around every day of the tour listening to net radio ::< It'll still (usually) be better quality if people can record it to tape. So, what I need everyone here to do is to e-mail the name of your local station which is playing track(s) from Haunted, along with the city. If you know what their webpage is that would be great. No, I don't need to know about WBER ;) Also, there is a station in Columbus, OH which was talking about Poe, according to someone on Atlantic's Poe board. If anyone knows more about this please let me know. - --Michele *and i found out where my edge is and it bleeds into where you resist why. does. it. always end up like this* - Tori Amos, "Spring Haze" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:44:57 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: Robin Hood. I think Metallica did turn their fans into androids and caused people not to think for themselves. I myself do not have Napster, and am waiting for the October 31 release for Haunted but all this bullshit that some artists were saying "You're taking the food out of my kids mouths.", is total crap. If Poe didn't like the idea of her stuff being on Napster, she would have said so, just like Metallica made a big scene out of it, being crybabies when they know they'll be able to support their grandkid's kids because they are so well off! For example, I'm a Garbage fanatic, if I could have access to Napster, I would download everything they had of Garbage on there. I still buy cds and singles, but what the hell is wrong with getting more? Garbage also released a Napster only song from what I heard so what the hell is wrong with buying the cd and have the music on your computer as well? ~*~ You can freak out about me, but you'll lose your mind without me~ Garbage ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:29:25 PDT From: "Red Halcyon" Subject: Re: Robin Hood Heh, someone beat me to the punch on this one. :) Though someone on this list calls me a "cheater" ;) for having dl'd Haunted, there was never _any_ thought of not buying the CD. We've all waited 5 years for this album, and some of us are a little impatient and have a high speed connection. Let me weigh in on those fakers, those betrayers, Metallica. They've always said that they were for themselves and "real" music fans who wouldn't cry heresy when they tried to branch out into pop-metal. They didn't care if they alienated some "fans," Metallica would just say that they weren't true fans. Now, it's of my opinion that people who use mp3s (especially those encoded below 256 kbps) to substitute for CDs are numbskulls and not genuine music enthusiasts. Mp3s encoded at less than 256 are seriously not CD-quality. So, those people who download Metallica without buying their CDs are not true fans, and I always thought the big M didn't give a worth about untrue fans. Those big dummies. Lee "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." - -Trois Couleurs: Rouge >The problem with that arguement is that you're assuming no one who >downloads off Napster ever buys CDs. > >Big generalization there, bub. I downloaded Poe's CD because I couldn't >wait 'til October. But when that day in October comes I'll be first in >line when the mall opens to buy her CD. >elsetime, >nem0 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:43:01 -0400 From: Erik J Hartley Subject: MZD: Whalestoe Letters contest! I've just posted the new Whalestoe Letters contest on the House of Leaves Community, which you can access at http://communities.iuniverse.com/houseofleaves/ There are also clips from the Whalestoe Letters in audio uploaded thanks to MicheleVR5. Currently the webmaster at http://houseofleaves.4t.com is working on updating the content. There are already a few Poe Haunted reviews posted.... more content to follow, including more Whalestoe content from both sites! - -Erik J Hartley Webmaster: http://12rounds.8m.com Listen to 12 Rounds! Leader: http://communities.iuniverse.com/houseofleaves House of Leaves Community Fan: http://houseofleaves.4t.com Exploration Z: A Haunted/House of Leaves Alternate Universe ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:13:06 EDT From: TimmysPrplMunky@aol.com Subject: Re: Robin Hood. In a message dated 9/23/00 3:10:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Kyron2046@aol.com writes: << metallica would say >> "BEER GOOOOD NAPSTER BAAADDDD!!!" **jessica** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:44:37 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Poe on the radio (was other stuff) In a message dated 9/23/2000 11:58:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, VR5SBloom@aol.com writes: << So, what I need everyone here to do is to e-mail the name of your local station which is playing track(s) from Haunted, along with the city. If you know what their webpage is that would be great. No, I don't need to know about WBER ;) Also, there is a station in Columbus, OH which was talking about Poe, according to someone on Atlantic's Poe board. If anyone knows more about this please let me know. >> You might try 97X, college radio (Miami of Ohio) in Oxford, Ohio. That is the first place I ever heard Poe...it was THJ. I don't know what they have going on now that is Poe related though...but they are online here: [woxy] 97X the future of rock and roll http://www.woxy.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:09:22 EDT From: LiLBLondeHairGrL@aol.com Subject: Re: POE Questions In a message dated 9/21/00 10:12:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, LJRJAWS@aol.com writes: << I have worked with special ed students. I have seen a little boy who couldn't utter one word grab at my leg and beg for me not to go. I have seen a girl with a severe learning disability count to ten by herself and feel like a billion dollars. >> Well aren't you the next Mother Teresa... YOU GUYS NEED TO LIGHTEN UP! I'm suprised half this list o' saints hasn't had a heart attack yet. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:17:48 EDT From: LiLBLondeHairGrL@aol.com Subject: Re: Robin Hood. In a message dated 9/23/00 3:10:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Kyron2046@aol.com writes: << But no everyone hides behind the fact that the record company makes a killing. BEcause they don't want ot face the fact that they are hurting the artist.. no i take that back.. you don't give a fuck. These peopel are on lists like this not because they liek the artist.. but because they want to be able to say, "yea I liked them back when.." >> First off, if an artist doesn't want to tour in my shitty little town (even though Dallas isn't exactly little) they should have thought of that before putting out an album. Think about that dumbass. Second...the artists get such a small portion of the cd sales it's ridiculous. Megan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:54:08 EDT From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: POE Questions In a message dated 9/23/00 6:19:43 PM, LiLBLondeHairGrL@aol.com writes: << Well aren't you the next Mother Teresa... YOU GUYS NEED TO LIGHTEN UP! I'm suprised half this list o' saints hasn't had a heart attack yet. >> Well, at least we have hearts. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:51:18 GMT From: "The Masque of the Red Death" Subject: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) DAT's rock, but they are ultra expensive. which is why it never took with the public. MiniDisc is alright, except quality-wise it aint that great. It compresses all the sound and then it uncompresses it to play and it sounds exactly so: like its been squeezed through a very small cable. now copyright. well, artists don't get much for a song, but the writer does. the writer does not get copyright (unless you are like bruce springsteen and are your own publisher) but thats what you get for doing a work for hire- basically a record contract (and you can choose not to sign) but the writer gets at least half of everything (depending on the contract), and if they are the artist they get plus some on top of that half. and cds do cost a hell of a lot to make. think of all the people that have to work on an album. how many was it on poe's?! and "same people" isnt worth shit. so what if its same people, you still have to pay them for the work they do. plus the equipment is not cheap, the studios are not cheap. far from it. studio time is damn expensive, all of you that don't think so go to a local recording studio and see how much an hour is. and tell me how many hours you think it takes to make a record. yah you could do it out of a studio. you could take a $500 console and cheap crappy mics and a room that echos (face it all rooms that have parallel walls will pick up an echo on mics if you are recording). itll sounds like shit. studios take lots of money to build, and depending on what types if consoles, mics, etc put into it, it can take average 10 years to pay, even as expensive as studio time is. and who pays for that studio time- artists? i think NOT! its all on the record label. and then take into account how many bands that are signed actually make it really big. like big enough to pay back all the money that that studio cost (along with all other expenses). 10% if you are lucky. yah records are damn expensive to make. you talk about burning a cd, yah thats no problem, the mechanical copying is not the issue, its the process of making a master. about napster. well i support napster personally, just because i like being able to listen to new stuff. and if its a band i really like, yah i will go and buy the album. but that doesn't mean it isn't wrong. theres no way that napster can rationalize the fact that they are basically stealing from artists, writers, and record companies. and another thing. CD quality sucks too. try a record sometime. and those aren't even the best... analog is still the best form we have. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:41:42 -0700 From: AT Subject: The Ballad of LilBlondeHairGrl This - the sad story of a lil blonde grl Who got herself stuck in an big P C swirl A too common fate on this darn A P list And now old A T has broken his fist (SIDEBAR-the old monitor was going out anyway) Weve seen it before with meat, queers and dykes Christmas , Easter ,and oh my god yikes- I pee in the shower does Poe do it too? Bet those damn Wiccans,or those Pagans do. Can any one say any thing that is too Offensive or not will depend on who Has purchased the lastest volume of Newspeak Well I have burnt mine so Im left to tweak the morals of those who wish to control the actions and words the thoughts and the souls of those whom they deem who are in sensitive hey you! PC! try live and let live A.T. white , male , bigot ,sexist, moneygrubber ,dog kicker ,smoker-and all around fun guy to be around. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:49:42 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) In a message dated 9/23/2000 8:58:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sycpoh@hotmail.com writes: << well, artists don't get much for a song, but the writer does. the writer does not get copyright (unless you are like bruce springsteen and are your own publisher) but thats what you get for doing a work for hire- basically a record contract (and you can choose not to sign) but the writer gets at least half of everything (depending on the contract), and if they are the artist they get plus some on top of that half. and cds do cost a hell of a lot to make. >> Writers don't get that much. Elton John set some kind of all time record when he got 8% for the writer's credit on his own material...I don't think anyone has passed that yet...if they have, it isn't by much, since it had been 5% for a long time before EJ. If you think about it, another 8% off the top on a record where you are also the artist can amount to a lot of $$$...like $80,000 on every million of gross profit...gross="before all the costs and expenses are paid out". Artists can get as much as 60% (I am not sure if that would be net or gross) depending on how good their agent is. Many artists get as low as 20%. The sad thing is, there are a lot of bands who are owned lock, stock, and barrel by their management...some don't even know it and think they are making a lot of money...it could turn out that the manager even owns their clothes!! If you are in a band, be very careful what you sign. I knew of one band (through a close friend of theirs who was my girlfriend's sister) who would actually sell their airline tickets and drive themselves to gigs just to have some extra cash...and they had a hit record at the time! Alas, the weasel industry is full of brutal tales of musicians getting ripped of in colossal ways. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:52:27 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) In a message dated 9/23/2000 8:58:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sycpoh@hotmail.com writes: << you still have to pay them for the work they do. plus the equipment is not cheap, the studios are not cheap. far from it. studio time is damn expensive, all of you that don't think so go to a local recording studio and see how much an hour is. and tell me how many hours you think it takes to make a record. >> Didn't Poe rent a house to make this album in to avoid having to use some weasel studio? I saw one article that said she made the whole thing herself on her computer. We know this is not the case, but I bet she did a lot of it herself that way. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:22:05 -0500 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) You think a record label rents out a studio? They own the thing! Look at other groups like TLC and see where they are. They sold millions of records and still only made about $50K a year. Thats alot be my standard but after selling millions it isn't that much really. The record companies are filthy rich and make most of the money. If they were at all concerned by how much the artists make then they would grant them a bigger share of the profits. The point is things have got to change. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) > > In a message dated 9/23/2000 8:58:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > sycpoh@hotmail.com writes: > > << you still have to pay them for the > work they do. plus the equipment is not cheap, the studios are not cheap. > far from it. studio time is damn expensive, all of you that don't think so > go to a local recording studio and see how much an hour is. and tell me how > many hours you think it takes to make a record. >> > Didn't Poe rent a house to make this album in to avoid having to use some > weasel studio? I saw one article that said she made the whole thing herself > on her computer. We know this is not the case, but I bet she did a lot of it > herself that way. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:50:12 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) In a message dated 9/23/2000 10:19:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thegeneral@knology.net writes: << The point is things have got to change. >> I heartily concur...being a musician and all. I think Napster is helping to bring that change too. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 04:51:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: NPR / KPR - Killer Domain Registration Site - FREE Reservations. Dear APs, Times are close and I am five years older... When is this album out... heh. Regardless, I have come across a killer web site http://www.domainevolution.com. It is killer in three ways... 1. You can register any domain.name you want. No Credit Card Required 2. This is a legit business, because I started it with three others. 3. 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This pre-registration is for the obscure, not the established. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 05:01:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: NPR - REPOST: http://www.domainevolution.com NPR - REPOST: http://www.domainevolution.com *************************************************** JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com *************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:18:55 EDT From: Trueluhv2000@aol.com Subject: Re: Robin Hood. i luhv poe and i dl'd 2 of her songs..if i had time id do all of them but that would NEVER stop me from buying her cd! she rocks and lets not forget that...its not a metallica fan list is it?? :) love you all, ~~PsYcHoGrL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:40:21 EDT From: LiLBLondeHairGrL@aol.com Subject: Re: The Ballad of LilBlondeHairGrl Hahahahaha! I read that one to my boyfriend, that's funny as hell! Wow! someone wrote a poem for me <3333333. I can't stop laughing! hahaa! (<~~~see?) Damn! Peace out yo! hahaha! Megan ps...dude that was so f-en cool! I love it when people write shit about me! ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V5 #241 ***********************************