From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V5 #185 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Friday, July 28 2000 Volume 05 : Number 185 Today's Subjects: ----------------- dissapointed [FallenCollective@aol.com] a lurker comes out ["Skott Shores" ] Hint Hint, It's WBER's 15th Birthday. ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: NPR Napster [BulletproofVenus@cs.com] RE: NPR Napster ["Mike Vaughn" ] RE: NPR Napster [Kristina ] RE: NPR Napster ["Mike Vaughn" ] Re: NPR Napster ["Kelly Lesperance" ] Re: NPR Napster [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: NPR Napster [~*~I AM A LEAF~*~ ] Re: NPR Napster [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR Napster [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR Napster [KrodKnid@aol.com] RE: NPR Napster ["Mike Vaughn" ] Re: NPR Napster [KrodKnid@aol.com] RE: NPR Napster ["Red Halcyon+On+On" ] RE: NPR Napster [Ed Hunsinger ] Re: HAUNTED - POE.ORG eMail Address ["crack head" Subject: a lurker comes out I've been lurking here for some time now, generally too lazy to send in my nonsense. I want to thank everyone though for their info regarding the new album and for where we can hear the new songs. As a musician I have to say that I would be honored to one day have a fan base like this one. Not that I pretend to be anywhere near as cool as our Mistress of Groove, but the A.P.s should pat themselves on the back. * Skott end_process resume_lurk_mode lurk_on - -Skott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:47:48 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Hint Hint, It's WBER's 15th Birthday. Hello U PsYcHoS, in particular those who might have anything to do with POE tour dates. http://wber.monroe.edu will be 15 years old in October, and they are celebrating in part with a series of shows, so far, Less Than Jake and one of WBER's biggest supporters, Ani D have signed on to do shows. Anybody that heard POE on WBER on Tuesday may have noticed that they segued right to Ani D followed by the announcement that she would be doing a birthday show for WBER. The last show POE did in Rochester was a birthday show for WBER arch rival, the hated commercial and now "rock" station WNVE. While I may not know or understand all the details of the animosity that seems to exist between POE's management / POE and WBER, I think WBER has extended an olive branch, and I'd hope after all this time, that whoever can make the peace, would do so. I guess at times this going on about WBER can be a bit of a bore for those of you outside of NY, on the other hand, it seemed we had AP's from a dozen states last POE was here, and WBER broadcasts to the world (feed for 1,000) , on the cutting edge? How many other stations are playing "Walk The Walk" ? Or for that matter, how many have been playing POE more than twice a week for the last three years? Hmm sounds to me like they deserve some cake... OK, I think it would be great if tomorrow, FRIDAY Morning 6 a.m. through I think 1130 a.m. WBER heard from other AP's besides me, and outside of Rochester, one of Joey G's repeat questions to me is "do you think there will be any interest in POE after all this time?" Please if you can, participate in the FMS (Friday Morning Show) by sending e-mail to wber@monroe.edu ATTN: FMS or calling the talk show line @ 716-381-2386 using http://dialpad.com for free if need be. sp00k etc ... P.S. eYe am also a Libra . - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------------------------- Hear What I Hear ? http://wber.monroe.edu/live.ram 80K Feed ? http://wber.monroe.edu/live2.ram See What I See ? http://Go.To/Fairport Chat About POE ? http://www.dal.net/chat/chat.html Visit My "POE" Place http://sp00k.da.ru ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:06:50 EDT From: BulletproofVenus@cs.com Subject: NPR Napster Napster will officially be shut down midnight on Friday. That blows. - -Shawn Laura Bross http://go.to/OterePyre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:15:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Kristina Subject: Re: NPR Napster Since Macster is associated is that down too? On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 BulletproofVenus@cs.com wrote: > > Napster will officially be shut down midnight on Friday. That blows. > > -Shawn Laura Bross > http://go.to/OterePyre > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:31:16 EDT From: BulletproofVenus@cs.com Subject: Re: NPR Napster I'm not sure if Macster is going down, too. Here's the full Associated Press article. Judge Orders Injunction Vs. Napster By RON HARRIS Associated Press Writer SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- It didn't take long for the first howls of dissent to be heard over a federal court order that will likely shut down Napster Inc.'s wildly popular online song-sharing service at midnight Friday. "What's next ... shut down the free Internet?'' one music fan wrote in a Napster chat room. Another, with the user name UnrEvil, criticized the heavy metal band Metallica, which sued to stop fans from trading their music on Napster. "I'm never going to buy or listen to their music,'' the fan said. Chief U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel granted the preliminary injunction Wednesday at the request of the Recording Industry Association of America, which sued Napster in December for copyright infringement. The judge said Napster had the capability to police the unauthorized trade of copyrighted music through its system, but failed to do so. "They've created a monster, for lack of a better term, and that's the consequence they face,'' she said. "I can't just let it go on.'' Napster CEO Hank Barry said the company plans to appeal: "We intend to see this through in every venue, in every court.'' An estimated 20 million Napster users worldwide will be affected by the court order in the landmark battle over Internet technology and intellectual property rights. The order applies only to copyrighted music, but Napster attorneys said it would cripple or shut down the swapping service. The injunction will go into effect after the nation's largest record producers post a $5 million bond against any financial losses Napster suffers from being shut down pending trial. "I'm disappointed, but I think that there will soon be another way to download free music on the Internet,'' said Elisabeth Prot, a music fan in San Francisco. "The recording industry promotes one single off of one CD. You don't really get to hear the rest of the tracks ... They can be either good or horrible.'' Napster, the dorm-room project of Shawn Fanning, has grown into a phenomenon, with a million new users each month using it to download free software that allows the exchange of music stored on personal computers. Investors have poured in millions of dollars and installed seasoned music industry executives at the San Mateo, Calif., company that became an industry target because song file directories are generated via the company's computer servers. The recording industry accused Napster of encouraging an unrestrained and illegal online bazaar. Metallica also sued, saying more than 300,000 Napster users had traded its songs online. Napster responded by blocking access for more than 30,000 people, but new users continued trading the band's music. "We're elated,'' Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich told The Associated Press. "Sharing is such a warm, cuddly, friendly word ... this is not sharing, it's duplicating.'' RIAA attorney Russell Frackman told the court that as the hearing was going on 1,400 songs were being downloaded each minute via Napster's software. As the hearing ended Wednesday, 757,000 files were being traded in 6,857 libraries -- and that was on only one of Napster's more than 100 computer servers. The RIAA estimates that song-swapping via Napster by people worldwide has cost the music industry more than $300 million in lost sales. Napster argued that personal copying of music is protected by federal law, and that it encouraged the sampling of new music and new artists. Napster's attorney, David Boies, also said the company would end up removing legally traded songs if ordered to eliminate copyrighted music traded through its service. The judge downplayed such hardships and told Boies that the same "bright minds'' that created Napster's technology would need to devise a solution to comply with copyright law. The injunction will likely have no effect on Gnutella and other decentralized technologies spawned by Napster. With Gnutella, there is no center; song files are traded directly between a constantly changing collection of computer users. For now, Napster remains the focus of a long-running dispute between copyright owners and Internet enthusiasts who believe information of all sorts should be traded freely. "All of this litigation is really setting the groundwork for what is going to the future of the Internet,'' said Larry Iser, an intellectual property attorney. 27-Jul-00 09:33 EDT - -Shawn Laura Bross http://go.to/OterePyre ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:33:53 -0700 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: NPR Napster Oh quit yer crying. Got Gnutella? www.gnutella.wego.com And I've got lots of stuff to share. If the Mistress is "ok" with that of course. Anyone know her and the band's stance on file sharing? Anyone? Anyone? Buller? Buller? Fry? Fry? With love, Mike - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Kristina Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 2:15 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: NPR Napster Since Macster is associated is that down too? On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 BulletproofVenus@cs.com wrote: > > Napster will officially be shut down midnight on Friday. That blows. > > -Shawn Laura Bross > http://go.to/OterePyre > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:39:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Kristina Subject: RE: NPR Napster The problem with gnutella is you get a whole bunch of incomplete files On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Mike Vaughn wrote: > > Oh quit yer crying. > Got Gnutella? > www.gnutella.wego.com > > And I've got lots of stuff to share. If the Mistress is "ok" with that of > course. Anyone know her and the band's stance on file sharing? > Anyone? Anyone? Buller? Buller? Fry? Fry? > > With love, > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Kristina > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 2:15 PM > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Re: NPR Napster > > > > Since Macster is associated is that down too? > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 BulletproofVenus@cs.com wrote: > > > > > Napster will officially be shut down midnight on Friday. That blows. > > > > -Shawn Laura Bross > > http://go.to/OterePyre > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:58:18 -0700 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: NPR Napster I do ok, if I check the file size and encoding options. That and just delete the ones that get cut off. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Kristina Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 2:39 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: RE: NPR Napster The problem with gnutella is you get a whole bunch of incomplete files On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Mike Vaughn wrote: > > Oh quit yer crying. > Got Gnutella? > www.gnutella.wego.com > > And I've got lots of stuff to share. If the Mistress is "ok" with that of > course. Anyone know her and the band's stance on file sharing? > Anyone? Anyone? Buller? Buller? Fry? Fry? > > With love, > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Kristina > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 2:15 PM > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Re: NPR Napster > > > > Since Macster is associated is that down too? > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 BulletproofVenus@cs.com wrote: > > > > > Napster will officially be shut down midnight on Friday. That blows. > > > > -Shawn Laura Bross > > http://go.to/OterePyre > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:33:22 -0400 From: "Kelly Lesperance" Subject: Re: NPR Napster Napster was the same way when it first started though.. You'd get incomplete or damaged files.. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kristina To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 5:39 PM Subject: RE: NPR Napster > > The problem with gnutella is you get a whole bunch of incomplete files > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Mike Vaughn wrote: > > > > > Oh quit yer crying. > > Got Gnutella? > > www.gnutella.wego.com > > > > And I've got lots of stuff to share. If the Mistress is "ok" with that of > > course. Anyone know her and the band's stance on file sharing? > > Anyone? Anyone? Buller? Buller? Fry? Fry? > > > > With love, > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org > > [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Kristina > > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 2:15 PM > > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: NPR Napster > > > > > > > > Since Macster is associated is that down too? > > > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 BulletproofVenus@cs.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Napster will officially be shut down midnight on Friday. That blows. > > > > > > -Shawn Laura Bross > > > http://go.to/OterePyre > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:06:06 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR Napster Napster is no more... just let it rest in peace, PLEASE! Peace, Melissa ~*~You thought I was a little girl, you thought I was a little mouse, you thought you'd take me by surprise now I'm here... burning down your house ~ Garbage ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:05:26 -0700 (PDT) From: ~*~I AM A LEAF~*~ Subject: Re: NPR Napster well... for those of you that may be smart enough to be running your computer on an operating system that is NOT windows, (i.e. Linux, or some other unix os), you'll still be able to use napster... just felt like sharing. - -lindsay the girl that lives with a bunch of computer nerds :-) _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:29:53 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR Napster In a message dated 7/27/2000 5:33:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BulletproofVenus@cs.com writes: << Napster will officially be shut down midnight on Friday. That blows. -Shawn Laura Bross http://go.to/OterePyre >> It certainly does suck out loud! But all is not lost: iMesh.Com - The Largest User-to-User Exchange Community www.iMesh.com I like iMesh possibly more than Napster. Very cool. Welcome to Scour www.scour.com ScourExchange is also good. Objective Reality http://www.oreality.com/main/main.html I haven't tried Freebase yet, but it looks promising. konspire: A searchable, distributed file-sharing system http://www.csuglab.cornell.edu/Info/People/jcr13/HardenedCriminal/konspire/kon spire.html Another new one I haven't tried...yet:-) Gnutella News - Gnutella News and Information Gnutella seems like kind of a pain to use as far as I'm concerned, but it is promising nevertheless. I don't have the URL, but it isn't hard to find...probably www.Gnutella.com or something. FileSwap - search and share MP3's, pictures, videos and more http://www.fileswap.com/ Another new one I am not familiar with. FileFury http://www.filefury.com/ Yet another new one...these things are springing up like dandelions...I bet one of them turns out to be the Napster folks under a new disguise:-) Welcome to Filetopia: Strong encryption Chat and File Server http://www.filetopia.com/home.htm Another promising newbie. It should be noted that a number of these file sharing softwares go way beyond Napster, allowing for a Napster type exchange set-up for application files, utilities, pictures, movies...just about anything...as well as MP3s. of course. Oh yeah...another really good one is CuteMX, by the CuteFTP people. I kept getting 404s when I went to look for their homepage, so I don't have the URL. Happy file sharing:-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:38:38 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR Napster In a message dated 7/27/2000 5:41:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, km5248@csc.albany.edu writes: << Since Macster is associated is that down too? On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 BulletproofVenus@cs.com wrote: > > Napster will officially be shut down midnight on Friday. That blows. >> Well, from my previous post...iMesh and Objective Reality/Freebase are working on soon to be released MacOS and Linux versions. Konspire and Gnutella already both offer a Mac version. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:44:14 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR Napster In a message dated 7/27/2000 5:52:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, km5248@csc.albany.edu writes: << The problem with gnutella is you get a whole bunch of incomplete files >> Same thing with Napster if you aren't careful to compare the file size of an MP3 from user to user and stay away from ones that are obviously too small. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:59:58 -0700 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: NPR Napster Good dating advice as well. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KrodKnid@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:44 PM To: km5248@csc.albany.edu; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: NPR Napster In a message dated 7/27/2000 5:52:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, km5248@csc.albany.edu writes: << The problem with gnutella is you get a whole bunch of incomplete files >> Same thing with Napster if you aren't careful to compare the file size of an MP3 from user to user and stay away from ones that are obviously too small. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:15:19 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR Napster In a message dated 7/27/2000 8:11:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mikev@webnw.com writes: << Good dating advice as well. >> Hahahaha...no kidding! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:08:29 PDT From: "Red Halcyon+On+On" Subject: RE: NPR Napster FTP Lee "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." - -Trois Couleurs: Rouge ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:11:07 -0400 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: RE: NPR Napster >===== Original Message From Mike Vaughn ===== >Oh quit yer crying. >Got Gnutella? >www.gnutella.wego.com > >And I've got lots of stuff to share. If the Mistress is "ok" with that of >course. Anyone know her and the band's stance on file sharing? >Anyone? Anyone? Buller? Buller? Fry? Fry? > >With love, >Mike > My personal experience (and this was awhile ago) was that we could distribute the Tape Tree stuff if we wanted. I asked her at Buzz Fest way back when, and she said go ahead, but we cannot distribute any of her new stuff without permission, that's for sure.. And none of the old copyright stuff either I'm sure.. A large chunk of the Poe MP3s are on my site (which is temporarily down) but try in a few days http://divinity.relic.net/Poe - -Ed (Divinity) ed@poe.org http://divinity.relic.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:16:24 EDT From: "crack head" Subject: Re: HAUNTED - POE.ORG eMail Address OK... I must just REALLY be stupid or something because I CANNOT figure out how to sign up for my poe.org address!!! Is anybody else having this problem? I can connect to the site and all, and the java window pops up and everything, but there is no place for me to type in what name I want and no "SUBMIT" button... But the directions are all there. Am I crazy?!?!!??? I already asked for help once on this and that didn't get me anywhere. And I'd REALLY like to have this set up by July 31st, and tomorrow is the last day that I'll have access to my computer for a week... SO... will somebody please please please please please help me???? :P i'll give ya a quarter if you help me! erin >From: Cyberfan Corporation >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: HAUNTED - POE.ORG eMail Address >Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:27:50 +0000 (GMT) > > >I AM STARTING A RUMOR... > >I AM STARTING A RUMOR... > >I AM STARTING A RUMOR... > >I AM STARTING A RUMOR... > >*************************************************** > >Rumor has it, POE.ORG will be getting its hands on a copy of HAUNTED. >POE.ORG will be sending an MP3 of the new song to everybody >that has signed up for an @ POE.ORG email address by July 31. > >So if you would like to participate in this event, please go to >www.poe.org/email and register for your @ POE.ORG eMail address. > >NOTE the song will be delivered almost immediately... Especially since the >radio stations are starting to get their copy. It serves the purpose >of POE's success that AP's should be getting a copy of the song... > >This ENDS the RUMOR I just started... > >This ENDS the RUMOR I just started... > >This ENDS the RUMOR I just started... > >This ENDS the RUMOR I just started... > >This ENDS the RUMOR I just started... > >This ENDS the RUMOR I just started... > > >*************************************************** > >JK/// >Jarrod Kniff >President - Cyberfan Corporation >jarrod@cyberfan.com > > >************* Comprehending Engineers ************* > >To the optimist, the glass is half full. > >To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. > >To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be. > >*************************************************** > >~*~ I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die.... >So let me live my life the way I want." ~Hendrix > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V5 #185 ***********************************