From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V5 #120 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, May 20 2000 Volume 05 : Number 120 Today's Subjects: ----------------- gold record [leah staub ] RE: New Virus Alert [Ed Hunsinger ] Re: New Virus Alert [AT ] Re: screen name org. ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: gold record [Jason M Crawford ] House of Leaves [sam stark ] Re: NPR - Napster and Metallica [Adam Fontana ] RE: NPR - Napster and Metallica ["Kelly Lesperance" ] RE: NPR - Napster and Metallica [Cyberfan Corporation ] [none] [Aaron Spink ] NPR: Re: Snail Mail? ["sp00k@poe.org" ] RE: gold record [Jason Capriotti ] Re: NPR - Napster and Metallica [XupX@aol.com] Re: NPR - Napster and Metallica ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: gold record ["Patrick Langley" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:15:10 -0500 From: leah staub Subject: gold record These are generally done >as a thank you. In fact, the presentation plate will have the name of the >person it was presented to. (Part of the plate is shown in the ebay scan). just out of curiosity...where is/who has the gold record presented to the angry psychos?? (hear the presentation on one of the tape trees (i forget which)) psycho hugs, leah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:28:26 -0400 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: RE: New Virus Alert >===== Original Message From darkcloak@darksites.com ===== >There is a really nasty virus out there now. >As a precaution, >DO NOT OPEN ANY E-MAILS WITH > >FWD: > >IN THE SUBJECT >If you do, >Don't download any attachments with a .vbs extension. >If you do, >Don't open it. >Just delete. >Your best bet though is just just delete any e-mails with FWD: in the subject. >Check out www.cnet.com for more details. >This virus could cause major damage, >So please be careful. > >-Darkcloak > THANK GOD FOR THIS VIRUS!! I for one would love to see about 90% of the FWD'd emails disappear due to something like this. Rather than try to convince people that forwarding chain mail is not only annoying, poor netiquette, and a waste of bandwidth, someone out there has decided that the ignorance of these people makes them more willing to listen to a virus like this. So I say bring it on. Anyone still using Outlook now is just asking for it, as is anyone who opens a .vbs, viruses these days aren't too impressive in themselves, but the lack of intelligence in people (who ignore all the warnings they've received) is. I-LOVE-YOU didn't do $6 bilion dolars worth of damage. Ignorant people did. - -Ed ed@poe.org http://divinity.relic.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 05:50:25 -0700 From: AT Subject: Re: New Virus Alert Ed Hunsinger wrote: I-LOVE-YOU didn't do $6 bilion dolars worth of damage. Ignorant people did. *********************************** Hey Ed -good quote! Kinda like 'guns dont kill people,people do" , or "earthquakes dont kill people-buildings do!" heh AT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:58:49 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: screen name org. - ----- Original Message ----- From: for my > d.o.b. April 5, 1972. > GOD, I'M GETTING OLD, NOT AS OLD AS sp00k THOUGH!! ; ) according to my calculations FRED :> in about two more years when you are a "young" 30 LOL and I am 44, I will still be rocking on through the ages, as it is in my blood, while you might perhaps find yourself nodding out in front of a TV :> It is beyond my comprehension why, especialy in music tatses, people tend to lock into a format that was popular in their youth. It is the equivalent of shunning all new paintings, sculptures, movies etc.... As I continue to enjoy the ever evolving sounds I hear, I on occassion find myself perhahps, alone, and driving with the music full blast and wondering, will I still find appeal in Rock and Roll (cause thats what it is) on my death bed? And I smile ear to ear, and laugh out loud, and revel in a life that has spared me the dull existance of those who get caught in a time warp. The other thing I consider is how much more difficult it is to just stay ALIVE than it was 20 years ago, especialy for YOUNG people, I was certainly reckless beyond reason in my youth, and by todays risks, I would more than likely been dead long ago. So FRED, while we would all like to hang around forever, thats not in the cards, short of that, staying in the game ..... IS the name of the game........ I feel very fortunate to have survived my very eventful journey this long :> it will be interesting when those of us who are STILL rocking get together at the 25th anniversery of the POE "Hello" CD and wonder what happend to the other 95 % of the people that were on this list. Have a safe weekend. :> sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:18:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason M Crawford Subject: Re: gold record > just out of curiosity...where is/who has the gold record presented to the > angry psychos?? (hear the presentation on one of the tape trees (i forget > which)) > I seem to recall seeing one that was presented to the APs (Tony or Jarrod?) at the West Coast AP Poefest '97. I'm uncertain who was listed on the record, but there is one out there. BTW, and I hope I can get backup on this, Poe's Hello CD went Platinum. Ciao for now, Jason ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 00 10:48:35 PDT From: sam stark Subject: House of Leaves Does anyone know what's going on with the House of Leaves website? It's been "Under Construction" for what seems like an awfully long time, and I have seen no additions of any kind. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:56:42 -0400 From: Adam Fontana Subject: Re: NPR - Napster and Metallica Hey, As soon as a band writes a sequel to a song it's all downhill. It's just too bad that they forgot that free distribution of their music is what made them popular. Screw Metallica Adam > The real reason Lars is upset is because nobody is buying his albums > anymore. So now he can blame napster for lower records sales instead of bad > music. > > At 09:03 PM 5/18/00 EDT, you wrote: > > > >LARS ULRICH IS A GREEDY BIG -MOUTHED DICK. LIKE HE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. > >HE'S JUST PISSED OFF CAUSE HE'S GETTING OLD, AND GOING BALD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:47:11 -0400 From: "Kelly Lesperance" Subject: RE: NPR - Napster and Metallica They may have given those demo tapes out, but they still controlled that... that was by their own choice... I assume the majority of you wouldn't walk into a music store and just pocket CDs off the shelves... but that's exactly the same thing you're doing by downloading songs off the net.. The medium may be different, but the content is the same.. I don't understand why everyone thinks they should be allowed to steal these things, just because it's in the virtual world, and not the real world.. if anyone had read any of the comments by the band, you'd see it's all about protecting their intellectual property than fattening their wallets.. there is a reason why we have copyright laws for things like music, software, literature, etc. and people are using Napster without regard to any of these things.... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of THC420101@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:14 AM To: AENIMA4572@aol.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: NPR - Napster and Metallica Amen to that! Somebody ask him about when he was just starting out, when they used to pass out demos at shows. it was free then. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:54:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: RE: NPR - Napster and Metallica *** I agree 100% with Kelly. *** The other 100% I will relate to my old days as a kid - we used to TP people's houses. Usually our friends, but none the less. I feel that Napster... At its current stage - is like vandalism. Metallice is like a friend to some and I think that the users feel like they are breaking the law, but not in a harmful way. TPing Metallica... So then there is justification, and reason, that it is OK until the "powers that be" put a maze of passwords to make it function. There will surely be hacks, but the iris is getting smaller on the freebies. *** I have a question? Is it the disk or the data that the courts sees as law? Or has that been answered... It isn't the medium, it is the content. The information. PROTECT it. You've got to pay your bills. *preach on* JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com ************* Comprehending Engineers ************* To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be. *************************************************** On Fri, 19 May 2000, Kelly Lesperance wrote: > > They may have given those demo tapes out, but they still controlled that... > that was by their own choice... I assume the majority of you wouldn't walk > into a music store and just pocket CDs off the shelves... but that's exactly > the same thing you're doing by downloading songs off the net.. The medium > may be different, but the content is the same.. I don't understand why > everyone thinks they should be allowed to steal these things, just because > it's in the virtual world, and not the real world.. if anyone had read any > of the comments by the band, you'd see it's all about protecting their > intellectual property than fattening their wallets.. there is a reason why > we have copyright laws for things like music, software, literature, etc. and > people are using Napster without regard to any of these things.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of THC420101@aol.com > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:14 AM > To: AENIMA4572@aol.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Re: NPR - Napster and Metallica > > > > Amen to that! Somebody ask him about when he was just starting out, when > they > used to pass out demos at shows. it was free then. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:01:07 -0700 From: Aaron Spink Subject: [none] id AA30460; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12: 40:52 -0800 by mail1.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) with ESMTP id MAA16490 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:38:21 -0800 (PST) by relay1.shore.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA21107; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:38:01 -0500 (EST) id PAA09135; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:19:10 -0500 id PAA09059; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:14:32 -0500 by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-daemon-mode-relay2) with SMTP id PAA09052 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:14:18 -0500 From: "PadmaT" Subject: NPR: Potato Leek Soup To: "Angry Psychos" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.0.0 X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:01:07 -0700 Sender: spink X-Mts: smtp Dear Fellow Psychos, As we move into the colder months, I thought some of you might like this wonderful recipe for potato-leek soup. Trust me--it's fabulous and filling! I've made it often. Psycholove, Padma POTATO LEEK SOUP 5 large russet potatoes, peeled and diced 4 medium to large leeks 4 cups salted (1 teaspoon) water (or whatever it takes to cover the potatoes & leeks) 1-1/2 cups table cream 1/2 teaspoon caraway seeds 2 tablespoons dill weed salt to taste pepper to taste 3 tablespoons sour cream 2 tablespoons butter Garnish: chopped chives, parsely, and/or more dill weed Peel the potatoes, and dice them reasonably small. Wash the leeks and chop them well, discarding the tough green ends. Cook these vegetables in the salted water for about 1/2 hour, or until they are tender. Add the cream, caraway seeds, dill weed, and salt and pepper to taste. Let the soup simmer another 15-20 minutes, or until it begins to take on a rather thick consistency and the potatoes begin to fall apart a little. Now, stir in the sour cream and butter; let it all heat through, and serve--garnished with the chives, parsley, and/or more dill weed. [Note: after adding the cream, it is helpful to stir the soup often, until ready to serve.] Enjoy! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:02:10 -0700 From: Aaron Spink Subject: [none] id AA30460; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12: 40:52 -0800 by mail1.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) with ESMTP id MAA16490 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:38:21 -0800 (PST) by relay1.shore.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA21107; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:38:01 -0500 (EST) id PAA09135; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:19:10 -0500 id PAA09059; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:14:32 -0500 by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-daemon-mode-relay2) with SMTP id PAA09052 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:14:18 -0500 From: "PadmaT" Subject: NPR: Potato Leek Soup To: "Angry Psychos" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.0.0 X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:02:10 -0700 Sender: spink X-Mts: smtp Dear Fellow Psychos, As we move into the colder months, I thought some of you might like this wonderful recipe for potato-leek soup. Trust me--it's fabulous and filling! I've made it often. Psycholove, Padma POTATO LEEK SOUP 5 large russet potatoes, peeled and diced 4 medium to large leeks 4 cups salted (1 teaspoon) water (or whatever it takes to cover the potatoes & leeks) 1-1/2 cups table cream 1/2 teaspoon caraway seeds 2 tablespoons dill weed salt to taste pepper to taste 3 tablespoons sour cream 2 tablespoons butter Garnish: chopped chives, parsely, and/or more dill weed Peel the potatoes, and dice them reasonably small. Wash the leeks and chop them well, discarding the tough green ends. Cook these vegetables in the salted water for about 1/2 hour, or until they are tender. Add the cream, caraway seeds, dill weed, and salt and pepper to taste. Let the soup simmer another 15-20 minutes, or until it begins to take on a rather thick consistency and the potatoes begin to fall apart a little. Now, stir in the sour cream and butter; let it all heat through, and serve--garnished with the chives, parsley, and/or more dill weed. [Note: after adding the cream, it is helpful to stir the soup often, until ready to serve.] Enjoy! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 20:51:06 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: NPR: Re: Snail Mail? hmmm why does this mail have a 1997 date? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron Spink To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 8:01 PM > > id AA30460; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12: 40:52 -0800 > by mail1.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.5/1.0/WV) with ESMTP id MAA16490 > for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:38:21 -0800 (PST) > by relay1.shore.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA21107; > Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:38:01 -0500 (EST) > id PAA09135; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:19:10 -0500 > id PAA09059; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:14:32 -0500 > by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-daemon-mode-relay2) with SMTP id PAA09052 > for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:14:18 -0500 > From: "PadmaT" > Subject: NPR: Potato Leek Soup > To: "Angry Psychos" > X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.0.0 > X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-request@smoe.org" > X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. > Precedence: bulk > Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:01:07 -0700 > Sender: spink > X-Mts: smtp > > Dear Fellow Psychos, > > As we move into the colder months, I thought some of you might like this > wonderful recipe for potato-leek soup. Trust me--it's fabulous and filling! > I've made it often. > > Psycholove, > > Padma > > POTATO LEEK SOUP > > 5 large russet potatoes, peeled and diced > 4 medium to large leeks > 4 cups salted (1 teaspoon) water (or whatever it takes to cover the potatoes & > leeks) > 1-1/2 cups table cream > 1/2 teaspoon caraway seeds > 2 tablespoons dill weed > salt to taste > pepper to taste > 3 tablespoons sour cream > 2 tablespoons butter > Garnish: chopped chives, parsely, and/or more dill weed > > Peel the potatoes, and dice them reasonably small. Wash the leeks and chop > them well, discarding the tough green ends. Cook these vegetables in the > salted water for about 1/2 hour, or until they are tender. Add the cream, > caraway seeds, dill weed, and salt and pepper to taste. Let the soup simmer > another 15-20 minutes, or until it begins to take on a rather thick > consistency and the potatoes begin to fall apart a little. Now, stir in the > sour cream and butter; let it all heat through, and serve--garnished with the > chives, parsley, and/or more dill weed. [Note: after adding the cream, it is > helpful to stir the soup often, until ready to serve.] > > Enjoy! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 21:33:44 -0500 From: Jason Capriotti Subject: RE: gold record I think Jarrod presented it to Roger (party host)... I think there may have been an "Angry Psychos" version before that party too. - -Jason http://www.jasonforpresident.com - -----Original Message----- From: Jason M Crawford [mailto:s0jmcraw@atlas.vcu.edu] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:19 AM To: leah staub Cc: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: gold record > just out of curiosity...where is/who has the gold record presented to the > angry psychos?? (hear the presentation on one of the tape trees (i forget > which)) > I seem to recall seeing one that was presented to the APs (Tony or Jarrod?) at the West Coast AP Poefest '97. I'm uncertain who was listed on the record, but there is one out there. BTW, and I hope I can get backup on this, Poe's Hello CD went Platinum. Ciao for now, Jason ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:32:52 EDT From: XupX@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR - Napster and Metallica In a message dated 5/19/00 6:47:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mystery@MNSi.Net writes: << if anyone had read any of the comments by the band, you'd see it's all about protecting their intellectual property than fattening their wallets. >> Guys - come on. this is real here. If you were a musician and depended on it for a living.. or even if you were just out to pass on a message- you need support or funding to keep life sustained or to keep the messages coming. I certainly wouldn't want my rights to be abused like that. I know i am a hyprocrite because i am addicted to Napster.. but at least i recognize that it's very illegal both in moral and law. I'll respect Metallica for standing up for themselves. I won't download anything else, anywhere of them. not that i don't NOT own any of their releases.... anyhow. i am tired and partly incomprehendable ( haha big word) i'll go read some more house o leaves ::Re-reading:: this bok is kinda confusin... getting lost between Zampano and the narrator's storys... don't really understand Zampano so far so i guess this is goodnight ::vanna:: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:33:15 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: NPR - Napster and Metallica Have you by chance ever made a cassette tape of another store bought (but not yours) CD, Record Album, Cassette, or perhaps a Movie off of HBO, Cinemax, or something similar? None of that has hurt any of the industries involved, from what I hear, even with more people going TO the movies, DVD, etc... Movie sales are uP, and with all the complaining about Napster, I also heard music sales are uP 8 % .mp3's are the friend of the musician, while not the same quality of the original, it is good enough for occasional use, the only effect on my music purchases that .mp3's have, is to offer me a sample reminder of what bands I enjoy, they also provide a way for me to introduce people to music they have NOT heard before. However what can compare to my carrying around my purchased copy of a POE CD and being able to pop it into the many different styles of CD listening devices that are out there? sp00k etc ... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly Lesperance To: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 6:47 PM Subject: RE: NPR - Napster and Metallica > > They may have given those demo tapes out, but they still controlled that... > that was by their own choice... I assume the majority of you wouldn't walk > into a music store and just pocket CDs off the shelves... but that's exactly > the same thing you're doing by downloading songs off the net.. The medium > may be different, but the content is the same.. I don't understand why > everyone thinks they should be allowed to steal these things, just because > it's in the virtual world, and not the real world.. if anyone had read any > of the comments by the band, you'd see it's all about protecting their > intellectual property than fattening their wallets.. there is a reason why > we have copyright laws for things like music, software, literature, etc. and > people are using Napster without regard to any of these things.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of THC420101@aol.com > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:14 AM > To: AENIMA4572@aol.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Re: NPR - Napster and Metallica > > > > Amen to that! Somebody ask him about when he was just starting out, when > they > used to pass out demos at shows. it was free then. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:11:48 -0400 From: "Kelly Lesperance" Subject: RE: NPR - Napster and Metallica the point I was trying to make was that Metallica has every right to defend their music, whereas earlier posts written here were condemning them for protecting their intellectual property.. I'm not going to tell anyone not to download mp3s off the internet (I myself do it all the time).. I still think Metallica and any other band has every right to pursue these matters, however.. as I said, it's not about the money, it's about protecting their intellectual property.. and how can you say none of that hasn't hurt the industries? sure, maybe music sales are up 8%... but maybe they could have gone up 25%.. for you, perhaps, mp3s are only a reminder or whatever, but for many, they're a replacement to purchasing cds... I know of several djs at the bars in my area who instead of purchasing CDs now simply download the songs off the net, bring their notebook computer's to the bar, and plug 'em into the stereo equipment there... the thousands of songs one DJ might have probably equate to tens of thousands (or even more) dollars in lost revenue.. now, imagine all the DJs doing that around the world.. think of the lost revenue there.. - -----Original Message----- From: sp00k@poe.org [mailto:usscvn65@frontiernet.net] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:33 PM To: Kelly Lesperance; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: NPR - Napster and Metallica Have you by chance ever made a cassette tape of another store bought (but not yours) CD, Record Album, Cassette, or perhaps a Movie off of HBO, Cinemax, or something similar? None of that has hurt any of the industries involved, from what I hear, even with more people going TO the movies, DVD, etc... Movie sales are uP, and with all the complaining about Napster, I also heard music sales are uP 8 % .mp3's are the friend of the musician, while not the same quality of the original, it is good enough for occasional use, the only effect on my music purchases that .mp3's have, is to offer me a sample reminder of what bands I enjoy, they also provide a way for me to introduce people to music they have NOT heard before. However what can compare to my carrying around my purchased copy of a POE CD and being able to pop it into the many different styles of CD listening devices that are out there? sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:52:12 -0500 From: "Patrick Langley" Subject: Re: gold record well then me and roger both got one. i scored the on ebay, even if it was a little more that i thought it might be at first. guess there was some other APs out there bidding too. yah for me, yah for APs and yah for POE. > > I think Jarrod presented it to Roger (party host)... > I think there may have been an "Angry Psychos" version before that party > too. > > -Jason > http://www.jasonforpresident.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason M Crawford [mailto:s0jmcraw@atlas.vcu.edu] > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:19 AM > To: leah staub > Cc: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Re: gold record > > > > > just out of curiosity...where is/who has the gold record presented to the > > angry psychos?? (hear the presentation on one of the tape trees (i forget > > which)) > > > > I seem to recall seeing one that was presented to the APs (Tony or > Jarrod?) at the West Coast AP Poefest '97. I'm uncertain who was listed > on the record, but there is one out there. > > BTW, and I hope I can get backup on this, Poe's Hello CD went Platinum. > > Ciao for now, > Jason ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V5 #120 ***********************************