From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V5 #5 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, January 12 2000 Volume 05 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: npr: giving your address out ["sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: npr: giving your address out LiLBLondeHairGrl SAID: " UHM??? am i the only one weirded out by that info???? sp00k? wtf? do you know all my info too?" "WTF" read what I said it's nothing to get "weirded" out about, no more than if I looked your # up in the phone book, because that info is just as publicly available. Jessica was worried about the implications of giving out her address to one person she chose to give it to, I am pointing out that Jessica as well as many others of us are unwittingly/thoughtlessly leaving our signature all over the net. When I originally started out on the net as a "civilian" I did so using text based only DOS and UNIX, and at that point I could find nothing on POE the singer. When I migrated to Win95 and a 28k modem www.poe.org or www.angry-psychos.com still were not showing up in my search results. My favorite girl turned me on to the www.poe.org www.angry-psychos.com via an AP flyer she got at POE's first Rochester show (I was serving perpetual duty on second shift where I worked) . When I went to the poe.org site, I started filling out the bio sheet, and then I decided I would rather not join the fan club due to the amount of personal data that was being left online for anybody to read, it CREEPED me out. It was only when I realized the benefits (ummm like meeting POE!!!) of belonging to poe.org/angry-psychos.com that I became a member of the mailing list, and the list itself is not as invasive on privacy as the web based bio I was originally asked to fill out. As I have pointed out previously on this list all of OUR e-mail addresses are available to the public as the poe.org mailing list archives are publicly available via the web, and depending on your search terms, bits of that archive or exact parts perhaps can be extracted from any search site. If you belong to mailing lists that are archived and available via the web, then your e-mail address is part of what can be searched for from ANY search site. Once the list/lists you belong to are revealed, so is all of the personal data that you supply to that list. Mailing lists are only ONE example of how your personal data can be extracted from publicly available data via the web. As I said, in the beginning, I was appalled at the potential for having my privacy invaded, so every online form I filled out was filled with lies about who I was, it is only recently that I have started to put any of my real identity online, as I have decided that I WANT to be found. Yes I want to be found, by some of my old friends from the navy, which is where I first "logged on" not to a computer, but to the early "net" during the summer of 76. It is also where I learned how to gather and analyze data, and where I concluded after four years of service that "telecommunications" as the government used them would reach the civilian market. That is why I know so much about finding people, because I have been looking for people for over 8(?) years now... Not that I try that hard, it's kind of like when I first started searching for POE, and forever nothing came up, but day by day the web becomes "smarter" with data, can't find it today? Try back in 3 months. Personally, I am still just a computer amateur, I'm a blue collar worker who uses computers to control industrial kilns that produce "toroids" or "noise filters" that are all over your computer/modem/pager/cell phone/etc...... (that big ring on your motherboard with the loops of wire) but as a person, as a child, I used to spend countless hours daydreaming about a machine that would answer those questions that would keep me awake at night, and one other thing, it would allow me to listen to any radio station in the world. Pretty much those daydreams have all come true. I say all of this, because I am always a little bit sad/surprised when people think I am capable of some kind of voo doo when I help them with hardware/software/net questions, I have to bite my tongue a little but I still always tell them "get off the chat" especially those cute little AIM/ICQ chat programs if your going to chat all day at least chat with POWER and learn IRC in one of its MANY forms and break free from your web browser dependency, learn how to use "telnet" and "ftp" find a UNIX shell some place and crawl in, learn how to use the "advanced" search features of at least ONE search engine, visit www.tucows.com which is perhaps the ultimate site for net related software and browse thru the many applications that you are NOT running, then proceed forward with blind faith, and either learn to harness the power of the net or at least get an appreciation for the fact that you are part of a community that has MANY roads to your door. In the end, my "belonging" to poe.org..... well, after the navy, I never joined anything again, LOL, but if you understand where I came from, "Hello" was like a neon sign and "Angry-Psycho" was my favorite color :> How could I NOT surrender my data? I expected to find MAJOR puter geeks here, and I have not been disappointed, any time I have asked for computer help, people have responded, so don't flame me for being a "know it all", I am not, but I do know where to look for answers, and where/when/ how to ask for help. I also expected to find, and have communicated with, by a variety of means, various individuals, most of which I would consider to be friends, who PERHAPS at times live on the fringes of "sanity", where they/we/I am/are all comfortable. If you are still uncomfortable with what little old sp00k can dig up on you as an average computer user utilizing weak tools, sleep well when you consider the powers of individuals at corporations and government agencies to access the most PERSONAL information you have "freely" given out........ P.S. Another thing that has changed since I first logged on the internet is the way to form your "username" one of the FIRST things a system administrator would warn you about is revealing your true identity in your username, or other publicly viewable documents (e-mail headers). As far as helping each other with computer questions, UNIX has "culture" and one of the traditions is to help each other, if you haven't already you really should take a look at the UNIX/Linux OS. For some good professional advice on how NOT to be seen on the net a good place to start is www.anonymizer.com . sp00k etc .... irc.us.dal.net #poe #angry-psychos ICQ9934870 . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:10:31 EST From: AENIMA4572@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (no subject) - --part1_78.784ee526.25ad3c97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JUST THOUGHT YOU GUYS MIGHT GET A HOOT OUT OF THIS. 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