From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V4 #334 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, January 3 2000 Volume 04 : Number 334 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request ["Jason Helton" ] Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request ["Jason Helton" ] Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request ["Allen Knowles" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 09:44:13 PST From: "Jason Helton" Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request >a week before. Even stranger is that a Russian spinoff of >Christianity >(or something) celebrates a single day of Christmas, >but it occurs 1 week >before the Ameri-Christian Dec 25th. Russian Orthodox Christmas is January 8th. They do not exchange gifts. They give gifts for New Years Jason ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 13:16:41 EST From: GaulAiel@aol.com Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request In a message dated 1/2/00 12:50:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, gallant_murray@hotmail.com writes: << >a week before. Even stranger is that a Russian spinoff of >Christianity >(or something) celebrates a single day of Christmas, >but it occurs 1 week >before the Ameri-Christian Dec 25th. Russian Orthodox Christmas is January 8th. They do not exchange gifts. They give gifts for New Years >> The whole celebration of Jesus' birth on Christmas is a farce, anyway. There is no way he could have been born on Dec. 25th. Christmas is a holiday of pagan origin, so why 'christians' celebrate it is beyond me. GaulAiel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 13:35:38 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request GaulAiel SAID: There > is no way he could have been born on Dec. 25th. > GaulAiel > hmm ok I ain't gonna claim to be no math major... but if there are/were 365 days in a year or however many there were, lets just say there were 365 of them and there was a december, that would probobly mean that there would be a .0027% chance of being born on Dec. 25th for jesus or anybody else past present future, ok kids get out your slide rulers and come up with the correct #........ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 13:42:17 -0500 From: "Kelly Lesperance" Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request I believe the concept of giving gifts at Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus' birth. and no, December 25th is probably not the date of his birth, but the date isn't all that important anyway... hrmm.. but why do we celebrate the other Christmas, with gift-giving, etc. on the same day? > The whole celebration of Jesus' birth on Christmas is a farce, anyway. There > is no way he could have been born on Dec. 25th. Christmas is a holiday of > pagan origin, so why 'christians' celebrate it is beyond me. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 14:39:17 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: POE is # OK U PsYcHoS POE came in @ # 69 on WBER's Top 90 CD's of all time p0p ur corks to the sounds of THJ in the background .... :> and they were nice and looking forward to her "NEXT CD" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 12:06:55 PST From: "Jason Helton" Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request >Russian Orthodox Christmas is January 8th. They do not exchange gifts. >They give gifts for New Years actually I meant the 7th Jason ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 15:41:05 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: POE's "NEXT CD" Release Date Poe is getting multiple mentions on the http://wber.monroe.edu top 90 count down, via phone/e-mail/ and studio visitors. They commented that POE's "NEXT CD" would be out this spring. I wrote and asked where they got the info from if it was from me or poe.org or somewhere else and they said on air that they had heard from the record company that the "NEXT CD" would be out this spring.......... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 17:05:15 -0500 From: "Allen Knowles" Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request Biblical scholars think Jesus was born sometime in mid October, because of the star of Bethlehem(probably a supernova or a nova). The reason Christmas is celebrated on December 25 is easy. When the Christianized Romans were conquering the British isles, they ran into a lot of trouble with all the Celts up there. So in order to slow phase the religion in, they changed dates around and viola! We now have Christmas on the 25 of December. Something similar was done in Rome itself for Saint Valentine's Day. - --Allen - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "And God said: 'Let there be Satan, so people don't blame everything on Me. And let there be lawyers, so people don't blame everything on Satan.'" aknowles@mindspring.com ICQ #13412336 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly Lesperance To: Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 1:42 PM Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request > > I believe the concept of giving gifts at Christmas has nothing to do with > Jesus' birth. and no, December 25th is probably not the date of his birth, > but the date isn't all that important anyway... hrmm.. but why do we > celebrate the other Christmas, with gift-giving, etc. on the same day? > > > The whole celebration of Jesus' birth on Christmas is a farce, anyway. > There > > is no way he could have been born on Dec. 25th. Christmas is a holiday of > > pagan origin, so why 'christians' celebrate it is beyond me. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 19:06:52 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request In a message dated 1/2/2000 1:41:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: << hmm ok I ain't gonna claim to be no math major... but if there are/were 365 days in a year or however many there were, lets just say there were 365 of them and there was a december, that would probobly mean that there would be a .0027% chance of being born on Dec. 25th for jesus or anybody else past present future, ok kids get out your slide rulers and come up with the correct #........ >> We went over this already. If you go by the historical records of the census that caused Joseph & Mary to be in Bethlehem, instead of Nazareth where they lived, then Jesus was born in late September or in October. If you go by astronomical records of the "star", then he was born in March or something like that. He was NOT born on December 25th. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 19:13:38 EST From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request so let's recap here... the Christians decided to Celebrate Jesus' birthday on Dec. 25 because the local Pagan religions have Saturnalia around the same time... then the Jews, already having Chanukkah around the same time decide to also have a festival where presents are given so as not to have jealous children. Religion is so interesting. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 19:20:10 EST From: Coldpoptarts@aol.com Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request i dunno about anyone else but this all seems stupid to me and i don't care what anyone says i'ma christian and i'm gonna celebrate jesus's b-day on dec.25th ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 19:31:45 -0500 From: "Kelly Lesperance" Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request I could care less about some dead guys birthday, but I'm gonna open my presents and be happy year after year! :P > i dunno about anyone else but this all seems stupid to me and i don't care > what anyone says i'ma christian and i'm gonna celebrate jesus's b-day on > dec.25th ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 19:34:53 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request In a message dated 1/2/2000 7:16:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, LivTheMdns@aol.com writes: << so let's recap here... the Christians decided to Celebrate Jesus' birthday on Dec. 25 because the local Pagan religions have Saturnalia around the same time... >> Not "around" the same time, it is the same time. The Roman Catholic Church simply converted Saturnalia into Christmas because it was already a high holy-day when Rome adopted Christianity as the state religion, and it was one of the people's favorite times of the year. BTW, they never said he was born on December 25th. They just decided that was when they would officially celebrate the Birth of the Messiah. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 20:13:27 EST From: GaulAiel@aol.com Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request In a message dated 1/2/00 5:08:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, aknowles@mindspring.com writes: << Biblical scholars think Jesus was born sometime in mid October, because of the star of Bethlehem(probably a supernova or a nova). The reason Christmas is celebrated on December 25 is easy. When the Christianized Romans were conquering the British isles, they ran into a lot of trouble with all the Celts up there. So in order to slow phase the religion in, they changed dates around and viola! We now have Christmas on the 25 of December. Something similar was done in Rome itself for Saint Valentine's Day. >> Which was my point, exactly. They wanted to strengthen the political empire by uniting the pagans and the christians. That is how it has come to be, but only a small part of the paganization (is that a word?) of modern christianity. Gaul Aiel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:02:54 EST From: SKAchix89@aol.com Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request << Which was my point, exactly. They wanted to strengthen the political empire by uniting the pagans and the christians. That is how it has come to be, but only a small part of the paganization (is that a word?) of modern christianity. >> I don't know if I'd call the move to place Christmas at the same time as Saturnalia an effort to "unite" the pagans and the Christians. Considering Saturnalia was a *really* big festival- slaves & masters exchanged places, no one had to work, parades, banquets, lots of drinking, etc etc etc- everyone would have been pretty pissed if the early Christian governments had done away with it. How to resign this obviously pagan holiday to Christian sentiment? "Let's celebrate Christ's birth when we would be celebrating Saturn & the harvest..." I'd say it was a move to keep everyone happy- like Juvenal said, all the people require is "bread and circuses".Likewise, Lupercalia & Valentine's Day.... << When the Christianized Romans were conquering the British isles >> Actually, Britian was first invaded by Caesar & then later conquered under Claudius- quite a bit earlier than the Christian emperors. Judging by Roman historians, they had trouble with the Picts & Celts no matter WHAT they did- Christmas, Saturnalia, it didn't really matter since they didn't celebrate the Roman state religion anyways. - -maggie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 20:39:57 -0800 From: "me..." Subject: NPR, PR stuff Hey all happy new years and stuff. i have been gone for the past week in CO snowboarding, so i have missed the whole religious debate ...darn.... well, i hope no one got zapped by the Y2K bug, he seemed to be pretty much not there. all that worrying for nothing and we still have our computers!! which means we have each other ;) I CANT WAIT UNTIL THE NEW POE CD COMES OUT!!! its gonna rawk i love POE i love POE i love POE hey hey hey hey yeah, had to get a meledy going on ok. enough of taras pointles rambling. welcome back to me! toodles ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? 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