From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V4 #329 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, December 29 1999 Volume 04 : Number 329 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Kicking People off the List for Their Opinions ["Shawn Bross" ] Re: Fwd: Re: for the record ["Shawn Bross" ] Re: Kicking People off the List for Their Opinions ["jessica *the amazing] NPR: hey! ["jessica *the amazing* gilwee" ] Re: NPR: hey! ["Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" ] PR - does that mean Poe Related?? NO WAY! something actually about POE! [] Re: PR - does that mean Poe Related?? NO WAY! something actually aboutPOE! ["Kelly Lesperance" ] Re: for the record [OherselfO@aol.com] Re: for the record [OherselfO@aol.com] Re: for the record ["Kelly Lesperance" ] apology [Andrew Sandker ] XENO [Andrew Sandker ] Re: for the record [OherselfO@aol.com] Re: for the record ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: for the record ["Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" ] Re: Let's Bore Him To Death ["Gabrielle Wootton" ] Re: for the record ["Laurie" ] Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request [ScarletGlamBelle@aol.co] Re: NPR:x mas presents ["Me :-Þ" ] NPR: I'm sorry. ["Gabrielle Wootton" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:30:42 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: Kicking People off the List for Their Opinions You can delete the messages as Jessica suggested, but not kick Xeno off. You don't visit those racist sites, but you also don't get them removed from the internet. 1st amendment rules supreme on the web. - -Shawn - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Gabrielle Wootton" To: punkish33@hotmail.com, angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Kicking People off the List for Their Opinions Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:49:15 CST It's not about opinions. It's about bringing abuse and hatred to the list and making people feel uncomfortable in expressing their opinions because of his repeated attacks and hateful responses. People can have sites promoting racism, I don't like it but it's not my problem and there's nothing I can do. As long as they don't spew their hatred at me and force their views on me, I'm fine. When there is a bad element in a group based on music like this one, the irrelevance of the attacks to the music eliminates the issue of opinions or censoring. Xeno can go out and make a webpage full of hateful views, insults, or whatever he wants, but nobody has to look at it. We have a right to kick him out if he taints the purpose and the spirit of the list. And I don't know what kind of an education you are talking about getting from his hateful words. The only thing he is teaching anyone about is malice. We can vote him off the list and if we can we will, and it has nothing to do with censorship. From: "jessica *the amazing* gilwee" To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Kicking People off the List for Their Opinions Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:55:52 PST I think that kicking (or voting) someone off the list for what they say in discussions is completely ludicrous. Life is about dialouge and the ideas formed with such conversation. I think that Xeno has their own opinion, whether it be opposing to everyone elses, it should be heard just like everyone elses. There is no point in CENSORING something that we don't want to hear. Kicking (or voting) Xeno off the list is just like deleting the webpages which promote racism. There are opposing veiws to racism, yet they are not censored -- they are ignored by the people who wish not to see, and accessed by the people who wish to see... because everyone deserves to be heard. Look at it as a way to learn something, not as being attacked. Look into the other's view and find out something new. If you don't want to deal with Xeno's opinion anymore, delete their messages from your inbox. Do not kick (or vote) Xeno off of this list. Thanks! Peace, Jessica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:37:39 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: for the record <> And, if you're a true Satanist, at least according to Xeno's Bible and Toran theories, then you are a follow of LaVey, yes? Well, LaVey admits himself in the introduction to his Bible that he started Satanism because he was disgusted with the hypocrisy of Christians. He hated Christians. Christians hate/fear Satan. Therefore, LaVey decided to like Satan. And so all of the lost fools out there pick up the bible, read it, decide they like being a bad ass Satanist more than the other religions they've tasted, and start tattooing pentagrams (which, is another discussion) on themselves. Just thought I'd add to that. - -Shawn ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:41:31 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: for the record Yes, yes, yes! Follow Szandor, my fellow sheep and LIVE*! - -Shawn *anyone who has read the Satanic Bible will comprehend that... *************** okay...i hope you pay attention closely...i hope you read all of this carefully and post this to the list. there have been numerous posts so far at the mere mention of Satanism and they have all shown ignorance. i want you to take care of this. read carefully. Nine Satanic Statements from the Satanic Bible by Rev. Anton LaVey 1. Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence! 2. Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams! 3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit! 4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates! 5. Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek! 6. Satan represents responsibility for the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires! 7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better more often worse than those that walk on all fours, who, because of his "divine and intellectual development" has become the most vicious animal of them all! 8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they lead to physical, mental or emotional gratification! 9. Satan has been the best friend that the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all of these years! Eleven Satanic rules: 1. Do not give opinion or advice unless you are asked. 2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them. 3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there. 4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy. 5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal. 6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved. 7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will loose all you have obtained. 8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself. 9. Do not harm children. 10. Do not kill non-human animals unless attacked or for your food. 11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:32:46 PST From: "jessica *the amazing* gilwee" Subject: Re: Kicking People off the List for Their Opinions I agree that it isn't right to make people feel uncomfortable in their own skin...but...why should "people" allow themselves to be controlled emotionally in such a way? You know what you are, you know what you believe, you know what you think, why should it matter what someone else says? I see society and the people in society in two ways: I don't care what you do if 1) It doesn't effect my day to day life and 2) you don't make me pay for consequences which have happened because of what you do. When poeple "spew their hatred at me and force their views on me" I look at what they are saying and either think about it because it is a view or perseption of the world that I have not seen, or dismiss it (not allow it to control my day to day life) because it is hurtful/demeaning/malicious and I refuse to allow myself to feel bad because of someone else's perseption of what is around them. You don't have to look at ANYTHING that Xeno does. Nothing...not a single thing. You personally (and anyone else who wishes to do so) can live as if Xeno is not alive, or ever was. Delete their messages, put a filter on your email account, don't visit their webpage, and don't allow them to control your emotions. When someone gets a rise out of you or makes you feel bad, they are in control of the way you are feeling. You can look at it, see it, and let it GO. The education that I am talking about is simple: getting to know your fellow human being. It's called "sympathetic detachment." You allow yourself to dive into anothers views without bringing your own beliefs into the pool. Learn about what is around you without allowing your views to effect the way you take things in. You can see something as new and interesting, stimulating; or you can allow your mind to filter it into the "that is opposing to my views and hurtful" file and not learn anything. See it through eyes which have not seen anything at all yet. Jessica p.s. ramblings, all ramblings, my apologies. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:42:26 PST From: "jessica *the amazing* gilwee" Subject: NPR: hey! Who wants icecream? :D ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:52:24 -0800 From: "Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" Subject: Re: NPR: hey! I do! I do! I do! max jessica *the amazing* gilwee wrote: > Who wants icecream? :D > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 03:27:31 EST From: TinyGuyE@aol.com Subject: PR - does that mean Poe Related?? NO WAY! something actually about POE! Alright, sorry to get your hopes up .... this is just a quick note. Anyone seen the movie 10 Things I hate About You? I'm not sure if this was ever mentioned on the forum, but in the movie, when Bianica gets up to read her poem, on her notebook is the poe logo form her CD. {pause} Yeah .. that's it. But at least it was about Poe for a change... and come on people, 145 messages about why you hate xeno?? Get over it and stop cluttering up my inbox. Happy new years, Ean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 03:47:23 -0500 From: "Kelly Lesperance" Subject: Re: PR - does that mean Poe Related?? NO WAY! something actually aboutPOE! > Anyone seen the movie 10 Things I hate About You? I'm not sure if this was > ever mentioned on the forum, but in the movie, when Bianica gets up to read > her poem, on her notebook is the poe logo form her CD. {pause} Yeah .. > that's it. But at least it was about Poe for a change... and come on > people, 145 messages about why you hate xeno?? Get over it and stop > cluttering up my inbox. actually, I just watched that the other day, and I noticed that... I think it was mentioned before, however... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 07:02:28 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: PR - does that mean Poe Related?? NO WAY! something actually about POE! In a message dated 12/28/1999 3:29:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, TinyGuyE@aol.com writes: << But at least it was about Poe for a change... and come on people, 145 messages about why you hate xeno?? Get over it and stop cluttering up my inbox. >> You have to admit that Xeno gets the juices flowing. I don't really believe he actually has any deep commitment to the views he espouses....................it seems more that he is committed to lancing the boil of apathy that is debilitating the human animal, thus healing the poor best in the process. That's it..................healing the human animal. Xeno is....................a saint!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:45:25 EST From: OherselfO@aol.com Subject: Re: PR - does that mean Poe Related?? NO WAY! something actually about POE! In a message dated 12/28/1999 12:29:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, TinyGuyE@aol.com writes: << when Bianica gets up to read her poem, on her notebook is the poe logo form her CD. {pause} Yeah .. that's it. But at least it was about Poe for a change... and come on people, 145 messages about why you hate xeno?? >> yeah, and my little brother was in the movie "mrs. doubtfire". what's the big fucking deal? oh... and for all you fags out there... stop flaming xeno. :D cause you know what? he's right!!! :D happy new year, and thanks for a warm welcome to the list... i think i'm gonna like it here. love, eryn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 07:55:44 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: NPR: hey! Oooh, ooh! Me! Got any Rocky Road? - -Shawn - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jessica *the amazing* gilwee" To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: NPR: hey! Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:42:26 PST Who wants icecream? :D ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:01:36 EST From: OherselfO@aol.com Subject: Re: for the record In a message dated 12/27/1999 8:52:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, nikiface@webtv.net writes: << Nine Satanic Statements from the Satanic Bible by Rev. Anton LaVey >> was this a free prize that came with your happy meal from mcdonalds?? :D - -eryn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:03:56 EST From: OherselfO@aol.com Subject: Re: for the record In a message dated 12/27/1999 9:11:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: << xero >> awww... how, cute, sweetie. they've created a pet name for you... ¦D love, eryn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:54:22 -0500 From: "Kelly Lesperance" Subject: Re: for the record Hmm.. are you kissing Xeno's ass so he'll be nice to you, or are you smitten by his rugged good looks? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 10:03 AM Subject: Re: for the record > > In a message dated 12/27/1999 9:11:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, > usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: > > << xero >> > > > awww... how, cute, sweetie. they've created a pet name for you... > > ¦D > > love, > eryn > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:03:10 -0600 From: Andrew Sandker Subject: apology Hey all, Yesterday someone made the comment that I can't admit when I am wrong. Well yesterday I called Xeno a hypocrite because I assumed that he was Christian from his comments about the Church and christmas. Turns out hes a Satan worshiper so I was wrong. Thank you, Andrew haloblue@thefragile.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:17:09 -0600 From: Andrew Sandker Subject: XENO Satanist that is not Satan Worshiper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:32:16 EST From: OherselfO@aol.com Subject: Re: for the record In a message dated 12/28/1999 7:56:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, mystery@MNSi.Net writes: << Hmm.. are you kissing Xeno's ass so he'll be nice to you, or are you smitten by his rugged good looks? >> xeno is my soulmate, thanks :D - -eryn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:55:33 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: for the record > xeno is my soulmate, thanks :D > > -eryn > I think the devil has first dibs on his soul...... I could be wrong, Im only going by what I've heard all my life..... the little cyber-pamphlet about Satanisim thats been getting passed around doesn't seem to cover much, but if he is interested in the same Satan I've heard so much about, I'd say it is fairly certain that his soul is pretty much taken. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:10:23 -0800 From: "Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" Subject: Re: for the record > << Hmm.. are you kissing Xeno's ass so he'll be nice to you, or are you > smitten > by his rugged good looks? >> > > xeno is my soulmate, thanks :D You actually know him? or has has asked you to join to support him? i doubt it. that would be wrong. and yes, when we respond to his antics, we are giving him power. i bet he is loving all the attention of late, as pretty much every piece of email has been regarding him. let's give it up. do we really care? i don't. and where IS that ice cream???? max ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:01:02 CST From: "Gabrielle Wootton" Subject: Re: Let's Bore Him To Death Do you save all the letters in which people say bad things about you? That's so sad! Somebody, and I'm not saying who, because i don't want to hurt xeno's feelings, needs to get a life. From: "sp00k@poe.org" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Let's Bore Him To Death Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:32:30 -0500 Well once again I am baffled, didn't I just read that xero is one of Satan's Disciples? Times must be tuff for the devil having to send xero here to recruit..... is this xeros hell on earth to recruit from the once relatively peaceful land of POE? Hey if worshiping Satan is your religion, and you were offended by what I said, I'm not sorry, last I heard Satan is in the evil business, and I am certainly opposed to that....anyway I would think that someone working for the devil wouldn't be quite so sensitive, yeah must be one of them devil tricks, evil is evil..... sp00k - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 11:09 PM Subject: NPR: Let's Bore Him To Death > > In a message dated 12/27/99 10:52:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > gwoot2@hotmail.com writes: > > << It's about bringing abuse and hatred to the list >> > > Hmm, let's check out abuse and hatred... > > midget_man@hotmail.com writes: > << Everyone can save themselves time and energy by just ignoring idiots like > Xeno. >> > > Coldpoptarts@aol.com writes: > << i dunno but he is extremely stupid he tries to act like he knows > everything > and he doesn't >> > > PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: > << If i were her i would not want to have the ignorant ramblings > of Xeno >> > > PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: > << Xeno, have you ever given one thought ever in your entire life that > perhaps you > are an idiot? >> > > usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: (always one of my favorites) > << Have you ever noticed how he > speaks like a benevolent DICK TATTER? >> > > usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: (I had to give you two mentions, you deserve > them) > << dude, you piece of crap, >> > > Coldpoptarts@aol.com writes: > << this is really stupid and xeno is stupid >> > > > Now dear Gabrielle...before we go and say how much abuse and hatred I bring > to the list let's acknowledge that for all the abuse and hatred I bring, I'm > matched quite well by other members. If you want to create a beautiful > community of people perhaps you should kick everyone out and sit in there > alone, masturbating. :D > > > > - -Xe no > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:11:59 -0600 From: "Laurie" Subject: Re: for the record I don't know if she was so much "ass-kissing," although, calling him "sweetie" was a nice touch. I'm not sure i've ever noticed xeno being sweet.. oh well, maybe "strongly (and often negatively) opinionated" is one of those things she's attracted to, like the stockholm syndrome or something (even though i hope he's never kidnapped her):P write me an email, kel - -Laurie - ---------------------------------------------- Original Message From: "Kelly Lesperance" Subject: Re: for the record Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:54:22 -0500 > >Hmm.. are you kissing Xeno's ass so he'll be nice to you, or are you smitten >by his rugged good looks? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; ; >Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 10:03 AM >Subject: Re: for the record > > >> >> In a message dated 12/27/1999 9:11:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: >> >> << xero >> >> >> >> awww... how, cute, sweetie. they've created a pet name for you... >> >> ¦D >> >> love, >> eryn >> > > _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:56:58 EST From: ScarletGlamBelle@aol.com Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request is poe EVER releasing a followup album to Hello? i think i will die. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:26:57 GMT From: "Me :-Þ" Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents I think in the end what it all comes down to is that Christmas is displayed as a commercial holiday where one gets presents, although some still choose to celebrate the religious weight that it holds; Hanukah is completely unrelated to Christmas, it just happens to fall nearby, has nothing to do with Jesus, and was originally the celebration of a miracle. It gained some commercialism as well ... the whole present thing, not that that's bad ... Am I right here? I've been pretty quiet all along ... -Rebecca ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:57:43 CST From: "Gabrielle Wootton" Subject: NPR: I'm sorry. To any ap that I have offended and also to those I have not: Please give me this oppurtunity to profusely apologize for my past behavior on the list. I was thinking today and I realized that although I attack people for tainting the purpose of the list, in my arguments I am no better. I realize that the purpose of the list is to discuss music, specifically Poe, and that my rantings do nothing to promote anything good or worthwhile. I apologize sincerely especially to Xeno, whom I have insulted and attacked on numerous occasions. I have no right to do that and I'm sorry. If any of you would meet me, you would realize that I'm really a nice girl. I don't want you to think of me as a mean person because I'm not. I think that the anonymous nature of the internet causes me to have more courage, allowing me to speak so harshly to people I know so little about. However this is no excuse for my remarks. I'm not going to leave the list, just don't expect anymore biting or aggressive posts from me. Once again, I apologize. ~Gabrielle PS: I also remember acting rude towards Laurie. Sorry Laurie. I'd also prefer if you'd not call me Gaby, but some people call me Gabe. To anyone else who I personally offended, I am very sorry. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V4 #329 ***********************************