From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V4 #327 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, December 27 1999 Volume 04 : Number 327 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Why do you hate the Jewish people? [adam owensby ] NPR: ["Kelly Lesperance" ] Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request ["Shawn Bross" ] Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run ["Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" <] Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run [Oj311@aol.com] Re: Why do you hate the Jewish people? ["Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" ] Re: for the record ["Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" ] NPR: [Xeno55@aol.com] Re: ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: [Oj311@aol.com] Fwd: Re: for the record [nikiface@webtv.net (Nikol Facemyer)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:08:26 -0800 From: adam owensby Subject: Re: Why do you hate the Jewish people? xeno to put it bluntly if one follows the strict guidelines of either christianity or judaism, one can not be both. if you knew what you were talking about though, you would have learned more about judaism and the reform jewish movement. the reform jewish movement began in the late 19th century in germany and the states. in its official documents of creation, it states that *jews don't even have to believe in g-d* to be a reform jew. they say being a reform jew is more of realizing the traditions, how they effect life today, studying religion, and accepting what feels right to you. so **whatever** feels right to you, is exactly the situation in which a jew can be both a jew and a christian. Oh yeah, by the way i am not one of these such people, i am relatively orthodox. -adam PS: not to even get into Jews For Jesus..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:19:30 -0500 From: "Kelly Lesperance" Subject: NPR: You know, I don't mind receiving 63 emails on this list.. I don't care if they're even about Poe or not. But when it's mindless bickering and incessant whining, I get a little upset. How about for once, we leave the childish games aside for awhile, and engage in some semi-intelligent conversation? Just a thought... Kel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:51:19 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request As far as soundtracks, I know that Hello was on the soundtrack for For Love of the Game. And, with very, very, very few exceptions, whether I disagree with their views or not, I just wanted to point out that most of the people on this list are very intellegent and do a good job of displaying so when provoked. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Chris Ajello" To: Subject: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:11:34 -0800 Okay - this is a two part. First, What's up in Poe's corner? All the web sites seem to be really poorly updated. I haven't seen anything new since maybe 1-2 years ago on them. Any news on her new album? Any new works of note? Also, I know that she did some movie soundtrack work. Can I get the name of the movie, and if possible, can I bum an MP3 of the song from somebody? Part Two: Christianity vs. Judaism On one side, you have the followers of Christ, the Christians, who believe that Jesus is lord and son of god. On the other hand, you have the Jews, who believe the opposite. Now while you can celebrate holidays as much as you want (or until your boss calls you on it), that doesn't mean that you can belong to (or believe in) both religions. It's like state residency - You live in one state or the other, but not both at the same time. To be Jewish, you have to be born in on your mother's side. That's a rule set in Torrah (stone if they carved it.) To be Christian, you have to be baptised. If you're Jewish, they give you the unkindest cut of all, and snip the tip - but you get a ton of cash just for living 13 years (go figure). So if you're born Jewish, and baptised Christian, then you're Christian because that's the church that took you in. If you're Christian, you believe everything the church force-feeds you, and thus celebrate the incorrect birthday of Christ. If you're Jewish, then you light the monorah a week before. Even stranger is that a Russian spinoff of Christianity (or something) celebrates a single day of Christmas, but it occurs 1 week before the Ameri-Christian Dec 25th. All in all, you can be one or the other, but you're not a member of both religions, and that's the point that Xeno's trying to rebuttle. Now if you WANT to celebrate Christmas, by all means go for it. It's a national holiday. (But Wait! That's not supposed to happen. That's unconstitutional! It's a binding of church and state, which is explicitly wrong! But hey, it's America, God bless us all - not Allah or Yaweh.) We are free to practice any religion, as long as it's Christianity. On the other hand, YES, Andrew, you're right that Christians are a bunch of hypocrites. So are Catholics, and if you read the Torrah, the Jews probably are too. Any historic text that's been misinterpreted and mis-translated over the centuries has got to have some severe contriditictions built in. Two examples: "Thou shalt not kill," yet during the holy crusades in England, "I smite thee in the name of the lord." Now doesn't that break more than just 1 commandment? Heck Kane and Able certainly blew it, but they're kickin' it upstairs somehow. Example two: the King James and the modern bible can't even agree whether a light is a candle or a lantern, so there you have lost information in the translation. Take that little step, and walk it backwards through the 600 or so revisions of the Bible. Even funnier is that the bible is supposed to be the word of god, but how can it be when it's been revised with the word of humans? And then come the Mormons, who've added so much more that they've got a THIRD book... So who are we to believe? Belief via sheer population numbers? Well, that tosses the Jews out as a world majority, but the Christians get knocked off the top too, because Eastern religions like Bhuddism and Shinto/Taoism far outnumber the puny "masses" of Christians. If you've read this far, I hope you've enjoyed my sarcasm. I'm agnostic by choice because my parents introduced religion to me but let me choose for myself. I could have been Christian Scientist or Bhuddist by birth-right. I do welcome replies, but please don't send them to angry-psychos@smoe.org Instead, send them directly to me(silentbob@notme.com), and if anyone wants an update, I'll post a tabulation of responses or something. Chris Ajello SilentBob@notme.com PS - If you've got that MP3, please feel free to send it to me via email, or we can arrange for some other method of transfer/trade. I already have the first (and sadly only) CD of Hello. > In a message dated 12/27/1999 10:22:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, > ASANDKER@ATTSIT.COM writes: > > << Why do "Christians" celebrate the birth of Christ on Dec 25th? > A day that correlates directly to the pagan celebration of the saturnalia > and not the day Jesus was born? >> > That's because when the Roman Empire officially adopted the Roman Catholic > Church as its religion, they had to do something about Saturnalia, which had > been the biggest holliday of the Roman/pagan tradition....................and > the favorite feast time of the people. It wasn't on December 25th though; the > celebration started a couple of weeks before and ran till December 24th when > they had the high feast of Saturn. The 25th was a day of recovery I > suppose:-) It was a time of riotous and orgiastic behavior for many, > including criminals, since the courts and the "police" were completely shut > down and there was nobody to go after bad guys. At any rate, the new Catholic > authorities merely converted Saturnalia into the High Mass to celebrate the > Birth of Christ (ie Christ-mass) since it was already the high point of the > year in the old system of holy days. BTW, historians generally have the birth > of Jesus as occurring in October or March, depending on whether they use old > records of either the census (which was the reason Joseph and Mary were in > Bethlehem, Joseph's hometown) or astronomical records of an unusually bright > star. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:55:52 PST From: "jessica *the amazing* gilwee" Subject: Kicking People off the List for Their Opinions I think that kicking (or voting) someone off the list for what they say in discussions is completely ludicrous. Life is about dialouge and the ideas formed with such conversation. I think that Xeno has their own opinion, whether it be opposing to everyone elses, it should be heard just like everyone elses. There is no point in CENSORING something that we don't want to hear. Kicking (or voting) Xeno off the list is just like deleting the webpages which promote racism. There are opposing veiws to racism, yet they are not censored -- they are ignored by the people who wish not to see, and accessed by the people who wish to see... because everyone deserves to be heard. Look at it as a way to learn something, not as being attacked. Look into the other's view and find out something new. If you don't want to deal with Xeno's opinion anymore, delete their messages from your inbox. Do not kick (or vote) Xeno off of this list. Thanks! Peace, Jessica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:39:46 -0800 From: "Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run It's very good to know that there is someone who i could possibly relate to a little bit on the list. as for me, when i answered what i got for x mas, i had no intention that i would be forced to answer these kind of questions about my faith. i shouldn't have to prove myself to any one i don't know. i wish i hadn't responded about my religion, but that is how i worship. it's okay for people to have problems with this, but i don't. my family doesn't. No one i have EVER met in my entire life has EVER had any problems with a Jewsih/Christian combination. but hey, people are unique. so i ask this list from the bottom of my heart, PLEASE do not email me "wanting to know how i can be like this". Okay? Does anyone even REMEMBER Poe anyways? max adam owensby wrote: > i am a jew and have been my entire life, but i live in greenville, sc: the > heart of the bible bealt. we have a lowly two synagogues in our city. one of > which is a reform temple and the other a orthodox synagogue. at the reform > temple many people go who are supposed christian/jew hybrids. they are still > jewish but they have a christmas tree and wake up to receive a bunch of > presents under it in late december, i forget which day it is. they also light > the chanukah candles and celebrate it religiously. in actuality, the gifts jews > have traditionally received on chanukah are small little tokens of love, not > the elaborate ones that christians get on christmas. it is an adaptation of the > religion to get big gifts on chanukah. the jew/christian hybrids, in my town at > least are usually jewish at heart and in thought, but celebrate, with their > American friends, a non-secular version of christmas. a good play about this > whole thing, especially in the south, is The Last Night of Balyhoo. This is > done by the same guy who made Driving Miss Daisy, and is superb. > > -adam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:46:03 -0800 From: "Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" Subject: Soundtrack Poe covered "I'm Just A Girl Who Can't Say No" for the soundtrack to the film "Welcome to Woop Woop". as i remember from the film, it is quite nice (but everything she does is) max Shawn Bross wrote: > As far as soundtracks, I know that Hello was on the soundtrack for For Love > of the Game. > And, with very, very, very few exceptions, whether I disagree with their > views or not, I just wanted to point out that most of the people on this > list are very intellegent and do a good job of displaying so when provoked. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Chris Ajello" > To: > Subject: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:11:34 -0800 > > Okay - this is a two part. First, What's up in Poe's corner? All the web > sites seem to be really poorly updated. I haven't seen anything new since > maybe 1-2 years ago on them. Any news on her new album? Any new works of > note? Also, I know that she did some movie soundtrack work. Can I get the > name of the movie, and if possible, can I bum an MP3 of the song from > somebody? > > Part Two: Christianity vs. Judaism > On one side, you have the followers of Christ, the Christians, who > believe that Jesus is lord and son of god. On the other hand, you have the > Jews, who believe the opposite. Now while you can celebrate holidays as > much as you want (or until your boss calls you on it), that doesn't mean > that you can belong to (or believe in) both religions. It's like state > residency - You live in one state or the other, but not both at the same > time. To be Jewish, you have to be born in on your mother's side. That's a > rule set in Torrah (stone if they carved it.) To be Christian, you have to > be baptised. If you're Jewish, they give you the unkindest cut of all, and > snip the tip - but you get a ton of cash just for living 13 years (go > figure). So if you're born Jewish, and baptised Christian, then you're > Christian because that's the church that took you in. If you're Christian, > you believe everything the church force-feeds you, and thus celebrate the > incorrect birthday of Christ. If you're Jewish, then you light the monorah > a week before. Even stranger is that a Russian spinoff of Christianity (or > something) celebrates a single day of Christmas, but it occurs 1 week before > the Ameri-Christian Dec 25th. All in all, you can be one or the other, but > you're not a member of both religions, and that's the point that Xeno's > trying to rebuttle. Now if you WANT to celebrate Christmas, by all means go > for it. It's a national holiday. (But Wait! That's not supposed to happen. > That's unconstitutional! It's a binding of church and state, which is > explicitly wrong! But hey, it's America, God bless us all - not Allah or > Yaweh.) We are free to practice any religion, as long as it's Christianity. > > On the other hand, YES, Andrew, you're right that Christians are a > bunch of hypocrites. So are Catholics, and if you read the Torrah, the Jews > probably are too. Any historic text that's been misinterpreted and > mis-translated over the centuries has got to have some severe > contriditictions built in. Two examples: "Thou shalt not kill," yet during > the holy crusades in England, "I smite thee in the name of the lord." Now > doesn't that break more than just 1 commandment? Heck Kane and Able > certainly blew it, but they're kickin' it upstairs somehow. Example two: the > King James and the modern bible can't even agree whether a light is a candle > or a lantern, so there you have lost information in the translation. Take > that little step, and walk it backwards through the 600 or so revisions of > the Bible. Even funnier is that the bible is supposed to be the word of > god, but how can it be when it's been revised with the word of humans? And > then come the Mormons, who've added so much more that they've got a THIRD > book... So who are we to believe? Belief via sheer population numbers? > Well, that tosses the Jews out as a world majority, but the Christians get > knocked off the top too, because Eastern religions like Bhuddism and > Shinto/Taoism far outnumber the puny "masses" of Christians. > > If you've read this far, I hope you've enjoyed my sarcasm. I'm agnostic by > choice because my parents introduced religion to me but let me choose for > myself. I could have been Christian Scientist or Bhuddist by birth-right. > I do welcome replies, but please don't send them to angry-psychos@smoe.org > Instead, send them directly to me(silentbob@notme.com), and if anyone wants > an update, I'll post a tabulation of responses or something. > > Chris Ajello > SilentBob@notme.com > > PS - If you've got that MP3, please feel free to send it to me via email, or > we can arrange for some other method of transfer/trade. I already have the > first (and sadly only) CD of Hello. > > > In a message dated 12/27/1999 10:22:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > ASANDKER@ATTSIT.COM writes: > > > > << Why do "Christians" celebrate the birth of Christ on Dec 25th? > > A day that correlates directly to the pagan celebration of the > saturnalia > > and not the day Jesus was born? >> > > That's because when the Roman Empire officially adopted the Roman > Catholic > > Church as its religion, they had to do something about Saturnalia, which > had > > been the biggest holliday of the Roman/pagan > tradition....................and > > the favorite feast time of the people. It wasn't on December 25th though; > the > > celebration started a couple of weeks before and ran till December 24th > when > > they had the high feast of Saturn. The 25th was a day of recovery I > > suppose:-) It was a time of riotous and orgiastic behavior for many, > > including criminals, since the courts and the "police" were completely > shut > > down and there was nobody to go after bad guys. At any rate, the new > Catholic > > authorities merely converted Saturnalia into the High Mass to celebrate > the > > Birth of Christ (ie Christ-mass) since it was already the high point of > the > > year in the old system of holy days. BTW, historians generally have the > birth > > of Jesus as occurring in October or March, depending on whether they use > old > > records of either the census (which was the reason Joseph and Mary were > in > > Bethlehem, Joseph's hometown) or astronomical records of an unusually > bright > > star. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:49:32 -0800 From: "Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run sorry, when someone tells me that I lack faith, all based on their own opinions, i tend to lose a bit of respect. :-) i meant repsectuflly hoping that this would END. max Xeno55@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/27/99 2:48:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: > > << repectfully, > max >> > > RESPECTFULLY??? YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ME OFF A LIST I'VE BEEN ON MUCH LONGER > THAN YOU AND YOU'RE BEING RESPECTFUL??? I DON'T THINK SO. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:46:57 EST From: Oj311@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run is it just me or dose any one else not give a damn about what religion some one is ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:02:16 -0800 From: "Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" Subject: Re: Why do you hate the Jewish people? thank you adam. this is true. i am SORRY for posting personal information. as no one is me but me that info is useless and hopefully of no interest to anyone. i hope that the information provided by adam (once again thank you) will end this dumbness. i like this list and would like to be able to stay on it. max adam owensby wrote: > xeno > to put it bluntly > > if one follows the strict guidelines of either christianity or judaism, one can > not be both. if you knew what you were talking about though, you would have > learned more about judaism and the reform jewish movement. the reform jewish > movement began in the late 19th century in germany and the states. in its > official documents of creation, it states that *jews don't even have to believe > in g-d* to be a reform jew. they say being a reform jew is more of realizing > the traditions, how they effect life today, studying religion, and accepting > what feels right to you. so **whatever** feels right to you, is exactly the > situation in which a jew can be both a jew and a christian. Oh yeah, by the way > i am not one of these such people, i am relatively orthodox. > > -adam > > PS: not to even get into Jews For Jesus..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:41:50 EST From: Xeno55@aol.com Subject: NPR: Jesus and I are sick and tired of you adam owensby wrote: > if one follows the strict guidelines of either christianity or judaism, one can > not be both. This is exactly my point. I disregard any faith that claims to have a holy book but the members are allowed to pick and choose what they want to follow unless that is stated in the book. People are always looking for a way into the glorious afterlife without any of the sacrifices that their books present them. And "pugboy84", if you don't follow the Torah exactly then you're not a Jew, in my eyes. This is my opinion of you. I do not believe that you can be a Jew (a Jew in my eyes follows the Torah and doesn't deal with this reform nonsense which is simply a cop-out) and also be a Christian. To be a Christian you have to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. A Jew would not do that because a Jew doesn't believe that Jesus Christ is the son of god. Of course, I'm growing overly tired of all this. I'm a Satanist. If anyone cares to continue this discussion with me about why I don't think a Jew/Christian is either a Jew or a Christian, think again. I've made my case and I don't care to discuss this any further. And "adam" and "pugboy" might want to think about taking this bashing and nonsense private. You two carried on public posts long after I shifted to the private forum. People never seem to realize that whenever I get my lambs on this list active. -Xeno http://travel.to/xeno/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:46:56 EST From: Oj311@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Jesus and I are sick and tired of you um hey i was reading a book yesterday its called WHO THA FUCK CARES ABOUT THIS STUPID RELIGION ARGUMANT SHUT UP it was a good book go read it (((CASPER))) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 21:49:15 CST From: "Gabrielle Wootton" Subject: Re: Kicking People off the List for Their Opinions It's not about opinions. It's about bringing abuse and hatred to the list and making people feel uncomfortable in expressing their opinions because of his repeated attacks and hateful responses. People can have sites promoting racism, I don't like it but it's not my problem and there's nothing I can do. As long as they don't spew their hatred at me and force their views on me, I'm fine. When there is a bad element in a group based on music like this one, the irrelevance of the attacks to the music eliminates the issue of opinions or censoring. Xeno can go out and make a webpage full of hateful views, insults, or whatever he wants, but nobody has to look at it. We have a right to kick him out if he taints the purpose and the spirit of the list. And I don't know what kind of an education you are talking about getting from his hateful words. The only thing he is teaching anyone about is malice. We can vote him off the list and if we can we will, and it has nothing to do with censorship. From: "jessica *the amazing* gilwee" To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Kicking People off the List for Their Opinions Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:55:52 PST I think that kicking (or voting) someone off the list for what they say in discussions is completely ludicrous. Life is about dialouge and the ideas formed with such conversation. I think that Xeno has their own opinion, whether it be opposing to everyone elses, it should be heard just like everyone elses. There is no point in CENSORING something that we don't want to hear. Kicking (or voting) Xeno off the list is just like deleting the webpages which promote racism. There are opposing veiws to racism, yet they are not censored -- they are ignored by the people who wish not to see, and accessed by the people who wish to see... because everyone deserves to be heard. Look at it as a way to learn something, not as being attacked. Look into the other's view and find out something new. If you don't want to deal with Xeno's opinion anymore, delete their messages from your inbox. Do not kick (or vote) Xeno off of this list. Thanks! Peace, Jessica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:01:38 EST From: Oj311@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Jesus and I are sick and tired of you that xeno loser sent me a message saing he was gonna kill my accouunt blah blah blah what a loser hes the reason we avoid the general population (((casper))) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:08:53 -0500 (EST) From: nikiface@webtv.net (Nikol Facemyer) Subject: ok Finally, I finished reading all of the emails i got while I was at work today. I had 121 altogether and kept getting more while reading. About the whole religion thing, I agree with whoever the hell said< "who cares!!! That's not what we're here about. If we decide to discuss it, fine. But we shouldn't condemn each other for what we do or do not beleive. I personally agree that christianity is the path of the blind, but that's just me. Anyway, i love POE! That's the reason I joined the ap's, right? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:09:09 EST From: Xeno55@aol.com Subject: NPR: Let's Bore Him To Death In a message dated 12/27/99 10:52:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, gwoot2@hotmail.com writes: << It's about bringing abuse and hatred to the list >> Hmm, let's check out abuse and hatred... midget_man@hotmail.com writes: << Everyone can save themselves time and energy by just ignoring idiots like Xeno. >> Coldpoptarts@aol.com writes: << i dunno but he is extremely stupid he tries to act like he knows everything and he doesn't >> PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: << If i were her i would not want to have the ignorant ramblings of Xeno >> PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: << Xeno, have you ever given one thought ever in your entire life that perhaps you are an idiot? >> usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: (always one of my favorites) << Have you ever noticed how he speaks like a benevolent DICK TATTER? >> usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: (I had to give you two mentions, you deserve them) << dude, you piece of crap, >> Coldpoptarts@aol.com writes: << this is really stupid and xeno is stupid >> Now dear Gabrielle...before we go and say how much abuse and hatred I bring to the list let's acknowledge that for all the abuse and hatred I bring, I'm matched quite well by other members. If you want to create a beautiful community of people perhaps you should kick everyone out and sit in there alone, masturbating. :D -Xeno ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:15:44 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Jesus and I are sick and tired of you In a message dated 12/27/1999 10:45:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Xeno55@aol.com writes: << I do not believe that you can be a Jew (a Jew in my eyes follows the Torah and doesn't deal with this reform nonsense which is simply a cop-out) and also be a Christian. To be a Christian you have to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. A Jew would not do that because a Jew doesn't believe that Jesus Christ is the son of god. >> Tell that to Jesus next time you see him. Or, better yet, tell it to Saint Paul, who was about as strict a Torah line-toer as you will ever find. And as far as the "accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior" business goes; that is a stylistic invention of what the Messiah is supposed to be and is a construction of the Baptists or some other modern protestant church........................the Catholics, for example, who are the direct line from the original Christian church do not hold this tenet, especially in that particular format. There is nothing about the teachings of Jesus that contradicts the Old Testament. He Himself proved over and over that he was in line with it, and indeed, fulfilled it, in spite of much "testing and proving" inflicted upon him by the Pharisees and Saducees. BTW, the Pharisees believed in the Resurrection of the Dead and in the Messiah (they just didn't think Jesus was the one) and the Sadducees didn't. Which one of those sects, by your argument, was not a proper Jew? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:16:43 -0800 From: "Chris Ajello" Subject: Re: NPR: Jesus and I are sick and tired of you Here's another good book reccomendation for you: "English for Dummies" by IDG books why because it's really annoying when your entire message is one long I mean really long no I mean really really long run-on sentence wit bad speeling gramer it mekes d mesage herd to reed beecase peeps can undrstand wtf u r saying but yet your message keeps going on and on and on and on and on like some kid fresh off the preschool playground who had an argument about whos tonka truck was better even tho that has nothing to do with the rest of this pargraph other than to illustrate the nuisance of long run on sentences that are completely devoid of punctuation even though it is possible to convey very long and complex chains of thought all in one sentence without the sentence becoming a really long run on sentence just like the author who writes entire chapters as a single sentence and yet it is still gramatically correct. even tho this paragraph is a complete debauchery of the english language. People, I can understand an occasional typo, but please, examples like the message below just scare me. I'm already afraid for my retirement. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 7:46 PM Subject: Re: NPR: Jesus and I are sick and tired of you > > um hey i was reading a book yesterday its called WHO THA FUCK CARES ABOUT > THIS STUPID RELIGION ARGUMANT SHUT UP it was a good book go read it > (((CASPER))) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:21:59 EST From: Oj311@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Jesus and I are sick and tired of you i like being gramacarly incorect. at least im not arguing about the difference between religions. (((casper))) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:28:56 -0500 (EST) From: nikiface@webtv.net (Nikol Facemyer) Subject: for the record sorry, i just can't keep quiet. In MY opinion, just mine, no one else's, all organized religion, be it Christianity, Judiaism(sp?), Buddhism, even Satanism and Wiccan, is people following others. It's about the blind leading the blind. None of us really know what the truth is, so let's not pretend to. I beleive in finding beauty in everything, and living a "good" life, no matter what my religious beliefs are at the moment. For instance, yesterday, I was in my car at a red light and it was snowing. (I live in PA) I looked up out of my moonroof and all I could see was snow, nothing else. It was so beautiful, I started to cry. That is what I mean by finding beauty in all things. Even the simplest things. Live like that for awhile and it's hard to stay bitter. Also, just for the record, about being a Satanist. That's a contradictory statement, because Christians made up the image and being of Satan, so in order to beleive in Him and/or follow Him, you must be beleiving the teachings of Christianity. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:32:30 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: Let's Bore Him To Death Well once again I am baffled, didn't I just read that xero is one of Satan's Disciples? Times must be tuff for the devil having to send xero here to recruit..... is this xeros hell on earth to recruit from the once relatively peaceful land of POE? Hey if worshiping Satan is your religion, and you were offended by what I said, I'm not sorry, last I heard Satan is in the evil business, and I am certainly opposed to that....anyway I would think that someone working for the devil wouldn't be quite so sensitive, yeah must be one of them devil tricks, evil is evil..... sp00k - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 11:09 PM Subject: NPR: Let's Bore Him To Death > > In a message dated 12/27/99 10:52:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, > gwoot2@hotmail.com writes: > > << It's about bringing abuse and hatred to the list >> > > Hmm, let's check out abuse and hatred... > > midget_man@hotmail.com writes: > << Everyone can save themselves time and energy by just ignoring idiots like > Xeno. >> > > Coldpoptarts@aol.com writes: > << i dunno but he is extremely stupid he tries to act like he knows > everything > and he doesn't >> > > PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: > << If i were her i would not want to have the ignorant ramblings > of Xeno >> > > PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: > << Xeno, have you ever given one thought ever in your entire life that > perhaps you > are an idiot? >> > > usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: (always one of my favorites) > << Have you ever noticed how he > speaks like a benevolent DICK TATTER? >> > > usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: (I had to give you two mentions, you deserve > them) > << dude, you piece of crap, >> > > Coldpoptarts@aol.com writes: > << this is really stupid and xeno is stupid >> > > > Now dear Gabrielle...before we go and say how much abuse and hatred I bring > to the list let's acknowledge that for all the abuse and hatred I bring, I'm > matched quite well by other members. If you want to create a beautiful > community of people perhaps you should kick everyone out and sit in there > alone, masturbating. :D > > > > -Xe no > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:43:59 -0800 From: "Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" Subject: Re: for the record > For instance, yesterday, I was in my car at a red light and it was > snowing. (I live in PA) I looked up out of my moonroof and all I could > see was snow, nothing else. It was so beautiful, I started to cry. That > is what I mean by finding beauty in > all things. Even the simplest things. Live like that for awhile and > it's hard to stay bitter. Thank you for the beautiful story. I would like to hear more of these! :-) > Also, just for the record, about being a Satanist. That's a > contradictory statement, because Christians made up the image and being > of Satan, so in order to beleive in Him and/or follow Him, you must be > beleiving the teachings of Christianity. Very good point! The horned god of paganism was created many many years before the Catholic church perverted it into the symbol of utter evil and named him Satan. All of the ideas of "satan" are in one way or another a product of Christianity. So there. On another note, i find it interesteing that Xeno lists his last name as Christ. ;-) max ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:38:43 EST From: Xeno55@aol.com Subject: NPR: In a message dated 12/27/99 11:36:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: << Hey if worshiping Satan is your religion >> I love how it's okay to bash Satanism without any true knowledge of what it means to be a Satanist. Try educating yourselves. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:43:02 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: nobody siad it was O fucking K you moron I said I didnt care who was offended you idiot - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 11:38 PM Subject: NPR: > > In a message dated 12/27/99 11:36:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, > usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: > > << Hey if worshiping Satan is your religion >> > > I love how it's okay to bash Satanism without any true knowledge of what it > means to be a Satanist. Try educating yourselves. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:47:05 EST From: Oj311@aol.com Subject: Re: oh yea you rock that was rad ((((casper)))) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:49:48 -0500 (EST) From: nikiface@webtv.net (Nikol Facemyer) Subject: Fwd: Re: for the record - --WebTV-Mail-1985-5155 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Ok, I'm forwarding this to you guys because I'm too lazy to re-type it. - --WebTV-Mail-1985-5155 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-1.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.98) by storefull-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailsorter-102-1.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 660614304; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:42:47 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: nikiface@webtv.net Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by mailsorter-102-1.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id C2029427E for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from Xeno55@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id 2.0.6eb2ecb6 (4012) for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:42:18 -0500 (EST) From: Xeno55@aol.com Message-ID: <0.6eb2ecb6.259999a9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:42:17 EST Subject: Re: for the record To: nikiface@webtv.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 228 okay...i hope you pay attention closely...i hope you read all of this carefully and post this to the list. there have been numerous posts so far at the mere mention of Satanism and they have all shown ignorance. i want you to take care of this. read carefully. Nine Satanic Statements from the Satanic Bible by Rev. Anton LaVey 1. Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence! 2. Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams! 3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit! 4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates! 5. Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek! 6. Satan represents responsibility for the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires! 7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better more often worse than those that walk on all fours, who, because of his "divine and intellectual development" has become the most vicious animal of them all! 8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they lead to physical, mental or emotional gratification! 9. Satan has been the best friend that the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all of these years! Eleven Satanic rules: 1. Do not give opinion or advice unless you are asked. 2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them. 3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there. 4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy. 5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal. 6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved. 7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will loose all you have obtained. 8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself. 9. Do not harm children. 10. Do not kill non-human animals unless attacked or for your food. 11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him. - --WebTV-Mail-1985-5155-- ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V4 #327 ***********************************