From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V4 #326 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, December 27 1999 Volume 04 : Number 326 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run [Shanna Hollich ] Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run [Xeno55@aol.com] NPR: The purpose of this list... [Oddity3579@aol.com] NPR-ish jade [stauble@earlham.edu] NPR youth [stauble@earlham.edu] Re: ANGRY PSYCHOS [HapaBleu82@aol.com] RE: The purpose of this list... [Andrew Sandker ] npr. bye. ["pseudo-sarah." ] Re: The purpose of this list... ["Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" ] Re: Fwd: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run ["Shawn Bross" ] Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run [Oj311@aol.com] Re: The purpose of this list... ["Shawn Bross" ] PR [sam stark ] RE: Why do you hate the Jewish people? [Andrew Sandker ] Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run ["Shawn Bross" ] Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run [adam owensby ] SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request ["Chris Ajello" Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run - --- Xeno55@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/27/99 1:40:51 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: > > << i didn't get anything unusual for x mas, cds, > dumb clothes, etc >> > > In a message dated 12/27/99 1:40:51 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: > > << for hanukah tho i got a COOL yamaha keyboard >> > > I always found this amusing. Thos wonderful children > brought up both a Jew > and a Christian. Simply because someone chooses to celebrate both Christmas and Hanukkah does not make them either a Christian or a Jew, or both. I celebrate Christmas but am not a Christian (as many Americans do). I fast for Ramadan but am not Muslim (heck, I don't even know anyone who's Muslim, personally). So, um, yeh. /me refrains from sharing with the list what she personally happens to think of Xeno, fearing it would upset some peoples' happy little fantasy worlds in which they seem to have the right to judge others without due cause. Grrf. ===== Shanna Hollich - Shadow123@poe.org Yahoo! Messenger: Shadow123 AOL IM: RHFoJo ICQ UIN: 26674614 NO !D N B- T C~ O++ CV _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:27:45 EST From: UlfDahlen@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: New Topic [RE: (no subject)] In a message dated 12/27/99 2:03:50 AM Central Standard Time, punkish33@hotmail.com writes: << Although the real translation is Lola, Run! it's all good. >> Actually, the real translation is Lola Runs... :> Alexa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:27:56 -0800 From: "Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run Xeno, have you ever given one thought ever in your entire life that perhaps you are an idiot? My mother is Jewish. My Father is Christian Scientist. Neither of them are very religious. That would make me Judeo-Christian OF MY OWN FREE WILL. I have been to both church and synagoges (sic). I have never been baptised or bar mitzvahed. What's it to you? Yes, you are right, the main diference between the two religions is that Jews do not accept Jesus as the savior. Does this mean that i can't be a spiritual person? Does what YOU say on a list that is supposed to be about POE limit my religious capacity? FUCK YOU max Xeno55@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/27/99 1:40:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, > PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: > > << i didn't get anything unusual for x mas, cds, dumb clothes, etc >> > > In a message dated 12/27/99 1:40:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, > PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: > > << for hanukah tho i got a COOL yamaha keyboard >> > > I always found this amusing. Thos wonderful children brought up both a Jew > and a Christian. It's so funny when you think about it because, while the two > religions have similar bases, they are contradicatory. You either believe > J.C. was the son of god or you don't. How can you be both? > > Perhaps a Jew/Christian has a schedule. Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and > alternating Sundays J.C. was the son of god while on Tuesday, Thursday, and > Sunday he was just another David Koresh wannabe. > > Don't misunderstand my intent. I'm perfectly comfortable with you being both > a Jew and a Christian. Most people simply bite onto the religion their > parents feed them. I'd like to have a chat with your parents about this > situation though. > > -Xeno > > http://travel.to/xeno/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:34:41 -0800 From: "Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" Subject: ANGRY PSYCHOS I think that some members on the list are living up to their name of being an angry psycho. Think about this, I bet Poe is reading this and cringing. If i were her i would not want to have the ignorant ramblings of Xeno and others associated with me in any way or my list. This disgusts me. Thank you Andrew. You CAN be both christian and Jewish. Faith does NOT depend on exact details. Isn't the fact that i feel i have a relationship with god enough? who are YOU do tell me that i cannot worship in the way i choose? max ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:38:36 EST From: Xeno55@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run Calm down my friend... I was merely saying that you can't be a Christian (by the book) and a Jew (by the book). How can you accept Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior and say he is not the son of god at the same time? They contradict each other. This Jew/Christian religion is an American invention. It is a typically American viewpoint to both have and eat your cake. You are not a Jew and a Christian. In fact, I would say you lack a religion because you do not have a true conviction. If you're going to buy a religion, buy it. Accept all of the scripture. Do not try to mix and match what you like and still call yourself a member of that religion. If you want to draw your moral base from different religious works, go right ahead. But you've created something new. -Xeno ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:39:01 EST From: Oddity3579@aol.com Subject: NPR: The purpose of this list... Are we all forgetting the whole intent of this list? It's not to argue and bust everyone else about their opinions, but to talk about Poe....if you've forgotten, Poe is that fabulous singer that we all listen to and love. How about we veer this whole argument over to our lovely Mistress of Groove? Or is everyone going to argue over her, too? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:43:55 -0500 (EST) From: stauble@earlham.edu Subject: NPR-ish jade > >Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:38:25 -0500 >From: "sp00k@poe.org" >Subject: Re: *NPR* - youngest list member > >There was a time a couple of years ago when www.poe.org maintained one of >the finest looking and most interesting chatrooms on the net, at that time >there was a young lady of 11 who was/is an AP and I do believe her name is >Jade or LadyJade. I am sure there are some other AP's out there who >remember the fun filled adventures of that chatroom who mite recall more >details about Jade than I do, or perhaps she is reading this.... > jade's been gone a LONG while and the subject of some search parties, as i recall. i don't think she ever came back to the APs after her trip to europe in summer '97. she sent me a postcard, though. i used to have her snail-mail addy but i don't think i do anymore. i know folks have been trying to figure out if she's online anymore for years, but i don't know if they ever succeeded. jade was a sweetie. those days of the chatroom were a good time. even outside of the chatroom, on the list, where people would argue but not attack each other and there was an actual AP community-like-thing going on. i doubt that anyone cares much about this email i'm sending here. oh well. psycho love and hugs to all, leah ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:45:39 -0500 (EST) From: stauble@earlham.edu Subject: NPR youth actually, though, even if jade WAS still around, if all APs from that era were still around, the youngest was JESSIE. she was 10. she left way before jade, though. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:45:11 EST From: HapaBleu82@aol.com Subject: Re: ANGRY PSYCHOS Yea Hi! Umm how do i get off this list.... i get way too much mail from it.. and i dont even really like Poe anymore... so you guys can kick me off this anytime you want.. thanks! - cat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:47:32 -0600 From: Andrew Sandker Subject: RE: The purpose of this list... I dont know..according to Xeno you probably can't believe in God and be a Poe fan at the same time ;) - -----Original Message----- From: Oddity3579@aol.com [mailto:Oddity3579@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 1:39 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: NPR: The purpose of this list... Are we all forgetting the whole intent of this list? It's not to argue and bust everyone else about their opinions, but to talk about Poe....if you've forgotten, Poe is that fabulous singer that we all listen to and love. How about we veer this whole argument over to our lovely Mistress of Groove? Or is everyone going to argue over her, too? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:54:08 -0800 (PST) From: "pseudo-sarah." Subject: npr. bye. i give up. sarah. ===== http://dinette.org/sarah # WITCHMAG http://dinette.org/sarah/homophobia.html # HOMOPHOBIA SUCKS http://www.iGive.com/html/ssi.cfm?cid=3039&mid=33863 # FREE MONEY FOR CHARITY http://dinette.org/sarah/george.html # ANTI- GEORGE W. BUSH http://www.freeguestbooks.com/cgi-bin/vlinks.pl?nasal # ADD A LINK _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:00:35 -0800 From: "Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" Subject: Re: The purpose of this list... is there some way to vote Xeno off the list? max Andrew Sandker wrote: > I dont know..according to Xeno you probably can't believe in God and be a > Poe fan at the same time ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Oddity3579@aol.com [mailto:Oddity3579@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 1:39 PM > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: NPR: The purpose of this list... > > Are we all forgetting the whole intent of this list? It's not to argue and > bust everyone else about their opinions, but to talk about Poe....if you've > forgotten, Poe is that fabulous singer that we all listen to and love. How > about we veer this whole argument over to our lovely Mistress of Groove? Or > is everyone going to argue over her, too? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:09:24 EST From: Coldpoptarts@aol.com Subject: Re: The purpose of this list... i dunno but he is extremely stupid he tries to act like he knows everything and he doesn't ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:10:57 EST From: Coldpoptarts@aol.com Subject: cool websites hey ok i'm not gonna fuss about anything i just wanna know if anyone has any cool websites??? mine is http://jump.to/oreos if any body wants they can check it out .meg. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:14:31 -0600 From: Jason Capriotti Subject: RE: Why do you hate the Jewish people? You guys should be like me... instead of pissing on each other, piss behind a Blockbuster when you're drunk. - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Sandker [mailto:ASANDKER@ATTSIT.COM] Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 10:14 AM To: Andrew Sandker; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: RE: Why do you hate the Jewish people? Also where do I say anything against Jewish people? I think that Jews are truer to themselves that alot of religions. - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Sandker [mailto:ASANDKER@ATTSIT.COM] Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 10:06 AM To: 'Xeno55@aol.com'; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: RE: Why do you hate the Jewish people? Xeno- you wrote: "I don't think the holiday is doing any celebrating." I think you need to research the word holiday. I wasn't saying a person can be both a Jew and a Christian. All I am saying is that you have no right to say that a Jew that celebrates Christmas is being contradictory when its an undeniable facy that Christmas is a contradictory holiday in itself no matter what "The Church" deems. The Catholic Church "Deemed" that Hitler was inoccent when it would not excommunicate him. Does that mean he is not responsible for genocide? I think not. - -----Original Message----- From: Xeno55@aol.com [mailto:Xeno55@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 9:45 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: NPR: Why do you hate the Jewish people? In a message dated 12/27/99 10:38:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, ASANDKER@ATTSIT.COM writes: << I think you misse MY point. If the holiday itself does not celebrate what it says it does then you do not NEED to be a part of the religion that celebrates it. >> I don't think the holiday is doing any celebrating. There are certain people who don't understand what Christmas is about but the fact that the church has stated what the holiday is about proves my point. Just because a strange Atheist decides to enjoy Rammadan does that mean that there is no meaning behind it? No, of course not. You're making a stupid argument and you failed to meet my challenge. I said to you, and I will quote, "CHRISTIANS: THINK JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. JEWS: DO NOT THINK JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. Now, I challenge you to tell me how you can be both?" -Xeno don't bother replying if you've got nothing http://travel.to/xeno/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:49:20 PST From: "Tim Dube" Subject: Re: NPR: xero you are an ignorant fux Everyone can save themselves time and energy by just ignoring idiots like Xeno. He makes his stupidity public because he enjoys watching everyone get up in a tivy over what he posted. The best you can hope for is no one pays attention to him anymore and he leaves the list because he can no longer upset anyone. the one called tim >From: "sp00k@poe.org" >Reply-To: >To: "Angry-Psychos" >Subject: NPR: xero you are an ignorant fux >Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:54:48 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [24.128.1.70] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBA30F429001BD820F3EB1880014685F40; Mon Dec 27 10:00:15 1999 >Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55])by >chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12150;Mon, 27 Dec 1999 >12:57:41 -0500 (EST) >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)by smoe.org >(8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id MAA02386;Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:56:33 >-0500 (EST) >Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:56:31 -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id >MAA02372for angry-psychos-outgoing; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:56:00 -0500 (EST) >Received: from node15.cwnet.frontiernet.net (node15.frontiernet.net >[209.130.129.205])by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id >MAA02368for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:55:57 -0500 (EST) >Received: (from daemon@localhost)by node15.cwnet.frontiernet.net >(8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA41166for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 >12:55:55 -0500 >Received: from 209-130-130-127.nas2.ROC.gblx.net(209.130.130.127), claiming >to be "amgine" via SMTP by node15.frontiernet.net, id smtpd4KZAqa; Mon Dec >27 12:55:50 1999 >From owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org Mon Dec 27 10:09:17 1999 >Message-ID: <00cc01bf5093$78270160$04da82d1@amgine> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 >Sender: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org >X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-request@smoe.org" >X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. >Precedence: bulk > > >dude, you piece of crap, if you are going to send mail to me personally, >while setting a filter that causes my responses to bounce back to me, it >shows you for the ignorant fux that you are. That is the best response you >have to what I have to say? You hide behind a filter while you continue >to >spew forth this crap you call an opinion? what a loser... > >am I the only AP xero has censored? if you haven't been censored by xero >you ain't squat hee he > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:23:56 PST From: "Jason Helton" Subject: Re: *NPR* - youngest list member >there was a young lady of 11 who was/is an AP and I do believe her >name is >Jade or LadyJade. LadyJade is Elaine Lou. I'm not sure about her last name but it was an "L" and 2 vowels. I'll see if I can't dig up her addy :-) Jason ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:44:40 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run Hmm...here's a thought: the religious value of Christmas has dropped so much that it doesn't matter anymore. It's about greed and capitalism. Right now in my life, all that I am sure of is #1 there is a god, in some way shape or form #2 Jesus Christ did walk the earth and teach the Christian way #3 if you're a good person, good things will happen to you. And I celebrate Christmas. If I were to register with Selective Service, my religion would be stated as Lutheran, because that is what I was born into. But I have many problems with the church and bible, and do not consider myself a Lutheran in anyway other than by birth. I believe that Christ was a good man, who helped a world suffering from confusion, but he also created a long lasting race of foolish zealots forcing their way onto innocent minds. And yet...I celebrate Christmas. Why? I like presents. I like giving to my friends and family to show I appreciate them. I like festivity and togetherness. - -Shawn - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Xeno55@aol.com To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:05:18 EST In a message dated 12/27/99 1:40:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: << i didn't get anything unusual for x mas, cds, dumb clothes, etc >> In a message dated 12/27/99 1:40:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, PugBoy84@pacbell.net writes: << for hanukah tho i got a COOL yamaha keyboard >> I always found this amusing. Thos wonderful children brought up both a Jew and a Christian. It's so funny when you think about it because, while the two religions have similar bases, they are contradicatory. You either believe J.C. was the son of god or you don't. How can you be both? Perhaps a Jew/Christian has a schedule. Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and alternating Sundays J.C. was the son of god while on Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday he was just another David Koresh wannabe. Don't misunderstand my intent. I'm perfectly comfortable with you being both a Jew and a Christian. Most people simply bite onto the religion their parents feed them. I'd like to have a chat with your parents about this situation though. -Xeno http://travel.to/xeno/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:56:10 -0600 From: "Laurie" Subject: Re: Why do you hate the Jewish people? Meg I also think that this argument is pointless.. I'll agree with that. Xeno on the other hand, from what I've observed over the year(s?) is quite an intelligent person, or if he (generic) isn't, he does a hell of a good job covering up his stupidity. Another thing, no one proved anything. Someone (I think it was Plato) once said "There are no proofs in philosophy" and if andrew and xeno believe two different theories, then they do, and you (nor I) have any reason to get involved. Aditionally, you said there was no reason why someone couldn't be Jewish and Christian, but you're completely wrong for exactly the reason Xeno pointed out. Jews don't think Jesus was the son of God and Christians do. That's not some minor difference in doctrine, that's the basis for almost the entire Christian faith. So next time you decide to start talking out of your ass, please make yourself sound reasonably intelligent.. (as hard as that may be) Laurie - ---------------------------------------------- Original Message From: "" Subject: Re: Why do you hate the Jewish people? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:01:17 EST > >i agree w/andrew this is really stupid and xeno is stupid and doesn't know >what the hell he is talking about he is just mad b/c someone proved him worng >meg. > _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:54:00 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: Hey, wanna know something neat? I'm a girl! Wanna know something even neater? I'm the vice president of the Senior Women's Club, a group who's mission is to bring respect and equal opportunities/rights/prejudices to all women, especially those in their late teens and early twenties, trying to let them be anything they want to be, and not be reduced to mere "ornaments". - -Shawn http://www.geocities.com/saladsphotos/salad.html - ----Original Message Follows---- From: LiLBLondeHairGrL@aol.com To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:30:15 EST In a message dated 99-12-26 16:48:59 EST, oterepyre@hotmail.com writes: << ...somebody needs some Midol. >> why is it that whenever a girl makes a good point every guy just goes on the defense and blames it on pms....wait, i know, and so does every other girl. whenever a girl expresses herself guys just go crazy and dont know what to do so they blame it on pms. they cant handle thinking that a girl is more than an ornement (sp??) who would cook and clean for them. quit being such a pig oterepyre << message3.txt >> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:57:34 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: Fwd: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run Yeah, we used to celebrate Saturnalia in my Latin class until our teacher retired, and the class was only offered on the internet... - ----Original Message Follows---- From: LiLBLondeHairGrL@aol.com To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Fwd: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:13:18 EST In a message dated 99-12-27 14:03:10 EST, ASANDKER@ATTSIT.COM writes: << finally someone who knows whats goin on! its estimated that jesus was born in September the whole reason that his parents were in Bethelhem was to partake in a government census and the bible says that the shepards were still in the feilds >> i didnt even know that until last year, i had the most wonderful chemistry teacher in the world, this man knew everything, i mean EVERYTHING! he even worked for nasa but actually quit (can you believe it!) to teach at the small town school that i used to go to b/c i transfered back into my regular district....what a cool guy.. << message3.txt >> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:59:23 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: ANGRY PSYCHOS Yes, yes,yes. Very well said. I've said before, in the altered words of our lady POE: "you can't talk to angry psychos like normal human beings." - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" To: "angry-psychos@smoe.org" Subject: ANGRY PSYCHOS Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:34:41 -0800 I think that some members on the list are living up to their name of being an angry psycho. Think about this, I bet Poe is reading this and cringing. If i were her i would not want to have the ignorant ramblings of Xeno and others associated with me in any way or my list. This disgusts me. Thank you Andrew. You CAN be both christian and Jewish. Faith does NOT depend on exact details. Isn't the fact that i feel i have a relationship with god enough? who are YOU do tell me that i cannot worship in the way i choose? max ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:00:44 EST From: Oj311@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run my tummy hurts ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:01:26 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: The purpose of this list... Despite being an asshole, Xeno provides the annoying banter which we all love (ha!) so very much. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Chopsley: Rabid Bikini Model" To: Andrew Sandker , "angry-psychos@smoe.org" Subject: Re: The purpose of this list... Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:00:35 -0800 is there some way to vote Xeno off the list? max Andrew Sandker wrote: > I dont know..according to Xeno you probably can't believe in God and be a > Poe fan at the same time ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Oddity3579@aol.com [mailto:Oddity3579@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 1:39 PM > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: NPR: The purpose of this list... > > Are we all forgetting the whole intent of this list? It's not to argue and > bust everyone else about their opinions, but to talk about Poe....if you've > forgotten, Poe is that fabulous singer that we all listen to and love. How > about we veer this whole argument over to our lovely Mistress of Groove? Or > is everyone going to argue over her, too? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 99 14:06:55 PST From: sam stark Subject: PR I suscribed to this list in order to learn more about Poe and her fans. Instead, I open my e-mail every morning and find bullshit arguments about who can worship what or whom. People, if you want to squabble one-on-one about this sort of crap, I certainly have no problem with that. But keep it to one-on-one. This serves no purpose whatsoever. If I wanted this sort of shit to read every day, I would get on America-OffLine and enter one of their stupid fucking chat rooms. Kisses, Sam ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:09:46 -0600 From: Andrew Sandker Subject: RE: Why do you hate the Jewish people? Laurie, An opinion is only a theory if it cant be proven. I proved that Xeno was being hypocritical in accusing a Jew of being contradictory for celebrating Christmas. He was right. But if he is a Christian and celebrates Christmas then he is being contradictory as well(worshiping both Jesus Christ and a pagan diety on the same day) and thus hypocrital. - -----Original Message----- From: Laurie [mailto:laurenkaye@mr-potatohead.com] Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 3:56 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Why do you hate the Jewish people? Meg I also think that this argument is pointless.. I'll agree with that. Xeno on the other hand, from what I've observed over the year(s?) is quite an intelligent person, or if he (generic) isn't, he does a hell of a good job covering up his stupidity. Another thing, no one proved anything. Someone (I think it was Plato) once said "There are no proofs in philosophy" and if andrew and xeno believe two different theories, then they do, and you (nor I) have any reason to get involved. Aditionally, you said there was no reason why someone couldn't be Jewish and Christian, but you're completely wrong for exactly the reason Xeno pointed out. Jews don't think Jesus was the son of God and Christians do. That's not some minor difference in doctrine, that's the basis for almost the entire Christian faith. So next time you decide to start talking out of your ass, please make yourself sound reasonably intelligent.. (as hard as that may be) Laurie - ---------------------------------------------- Original Message From: "" Subject: Re: Why do you hate the Jewish people? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:01:17 EST > >i agree w/andrew this is really stupid and xeno is stupid and doesn't know >what the hell he is talking about he is just mad b/c someone proved him worng >meg. > _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:10:50 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: cool websites AWWWW! You live in Jacksonville! I'm here in Tampa visiting my father for the holidays, but am going back to Denver tommorow. We could've had lunch, or something. Anyway, here's my website, it changes all the time: http://go.to/OterePyre - -Shawn AIM: OterePyre - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Coldpoptarts@aol.com To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: cool websites Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:10:57 EST hey ok i'm not gonna fuss about anything i just wanna know if anyone has any cool websites??? mine is http://jump.to/oreos if any body wants they can check it out .meg. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:11:06 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run In a message dated 12/27/1999 10:22:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, ASANDKER@ATTSIT.COM writes: << Why do "Christians" celebrate the birth of Christ on Dec 25th? A day that correlates directly to the pagan celebration of the saturnalia and not the day Jesus was born? >> That's because when the Roman Empire officially adopted the Roman Catholic Church as its religion, they had to do something about Saturnalia, which had been the biggest holliday of the Roman/pagan tradition....................and the favorite feast time of the people. It wasn't on December 25th though; the celebration started a couple of weeks before and ran till December 24th when they had the high feast of Saturn. The 25th was a day of recovery I suppose:-) It was a time of riotous and orgiastic behavior for many, including criminals, since the courts and the "police" were completely shut down and there was nobody to go after bad guys. At any rate, the new Catholic authorities merely converted Saturnalia into the High Mass to celebrate the Birth of Christ (ie Christ-mass) since it was already the high point of the year in the old system of holy days. BTW, historians generally have the birth of Jesus as occurring in October or March, depending on whether they use old records of either the census (which was the reason Joseph and Mary were in Bethlehem, Joseph's hometown) or astronomical records of an unusually bright star. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:14:16 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run I'm tired and my head hurts, and it's that time of the month, and I've been waking up really late drenched in sweat, so I think I have mono again. *pout* - -Shawn - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Oj311@aol.com To: oterepyre@hotmail.com, angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:00:44 EST my tummy hurts ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:18:23 EST From: Oj311@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run oh damn thats no fun im sorry. mono sucks my tummy hurts (((casper))) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:22:27 MST From: "Shawn Bross" Subject: Re: PR Aw, zassosad. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: sam stark To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: PR Date: 27 Dec 99 14:06:55 PST I suscribed to this list in order to learn more about Poe and her fans. Instead, I open my e-mail every morning and find bullshit arguments about who can worship what or whom. People, if you want to squabble one-on-one about this sort of crap, I certainly have no problem with that. But keep it to one-on-one. This serves no purpose whatsoever. If I wanted this sort of shit to read every day, I would get on America-OffLine and enter one of their stupid fucking chat rooms. Kisses, Sam ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:02:09 -0800 From: adam owensby Subject: Re: NPR:x mas presents and run lola run i am a jew and have been my entire life, but i live in greenville, sc: the heart of the bible bealt. we have a lowly two synagogues in our city. one of which is a reform temple and the other a orthodox synagogue. at the reform temple many people go who are supposed christian/jew hybrids. they are still jewish but they have a christmas tree and wake up to receive a bunch of presents under it in late december, i forget which day it is. they also light the chanukah candles and celebrate it religiously. in actuality, the gifts jews have traditionally received on chanukah are small little tokens of love, not the elaborate ones that christians get on christmas. it is an adaptation of the religion to get big gifts on chanukah. the jew/christian hybrids, in my town at least are usually jewish at heart and in thought, but celebrate, with their American friends, a non-secular version of christmas. a good play about this whole thing, especially in the south, is The Last Night of Balyhoo. This is done by the same guy who made Driving Miss Daisy, and is superb. -adam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:11:34 -0800 From: "Chris Ajello" Subject: SPR - Re: Saturnalia, and Poe update request Okay - this is a two part. First, What's up in Poe's corner? All the web sites seem to be really poorly updated. I haven't seen anything new since maybe 1-2 years ago on them. Any news on her new album? Any new works of note? Also, I know that she did some movie soundtrack work. Can I get the name of the movie, and if possible, can I bum an MP3 of the song from somebody? Part Two: Christianity vs. Judaism On one side, you have the followers of Christ, the Christians, who believe that Jesus is lord and son of god. On the other hand, you have the Jews, who believe the opposite. Now while you can celebrate holidays as much as you want (or until your boss calls you on it), that doesn't mean that you can belong to (or believe in) both religions. It's like state residency - You live in one state or the other, but not both at the same time. To be Jewish, you have to be born in on your mother's side. That's a rule set in Torrah (stone if they carved it.) To be Christian, you have to be baptised. If you're Jewish, they give you the unkindest cut of all, and snip the tip - but you get a ton of cash just for living 13 years (go figure). So if you're born Jewish, and baptised Christian, then you're Christian because that's the church that took you in. If you're Christian, you believe everything the church force-feeds you, and thus celebrate the incorrect birthday of Christ. If you're Jewish, then you light the monorah a week before. Even stranger is that a Russian spinoff of Christianity (or something) celebrates a single day of Christmas, but it occurs 1 week before the Ameri-Christian Dec 25th. All in all, you can be one or the other, but you're not a member of both religions, and that's the point that Xeno's trying to rebuttle. Now if you WANT to celebrate Christmas, by all means go for it. It's a national holiday. (But Wait! That's not supposed to happen. That's unconstitutional! It's a binding of church and state, which is explicitly wrong! But hey, it's America, God bless us all - not Allah or Yaweh.) We are free to practice any religion, as long as it's Christianity. On the other hand, YES, Andrew, you're right that Christians are a bunch of hypocrites. So are Catholics, and if you read the Torrah, the Jews probably are too. Any historic text that's been misinterpreted and mis-translated over the centuries has got to have some severe contriditictions built in. Two examples: "Thou shalt not kill," yet during the holy crusades in England, "I smite thee in the name of the lord." Now doesn't that break more than just 1 commandment? Heck Kane and Able certainly blew it, but they're kickin' it upstairs somehow. Example two: the King James and the modern bible can't even agree whether a light is a candle or a lantern, so there you have lost information in the translation. Take that little step, and walk it backwards through the 600 or so revisions of the Bible. Even funnier is that the bible is supposed to be the word of god, but how can it be when it's been revised with the word of humans? And then come the Mormons, who've added so much more that they've got a THIRD book... So who are we to believe? Belief via sheer population numbers? Well, that tosses the Jews out as a world majority, but the Christians get knocked off the top too, because Eastern religions like Bhuddism and Shinto/Taoism far outnumber the puny "masses" of Christians. If you've read this far, I hope you've enjoyed my sarcasm. I'm agnostic by choice because my parents introduced religion to me but let me choose for myself. I could have been Christian Scientist or Bhuddist by birth-right. I do welcome replies, but please don't send them to angry-psychos@smoe.org Instead, send them directly to me(silentbob@notme.com), and if anyone wants an update, I'll post a tabulation of responses or something. Chris Ajello SilentBob@notme.com PS - If you've got that MP3, please feel free to send it to me via email, or we can arrange for some other method of transfer/trade. I already have the first (and sadly only) CD of Hello. > In a message dated 12/27/1999 10:22:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, > ASANDKER@ATTSIT.COM writes: > > << Why do "Christians" celebrate the birth of Christ on Dec 25th? > A day that correlates directly to the pagan celebration of the saturnalia > and not the day Jesus was born? >> > That's because when the Roman Empire officially adopted the Roman Catholic > Church as its religion, they had to do something about Saturnalia, which had > been the biggest holliday of the Roman/pagan tradition....................and > the favorite feast time of the people. It wasn't on December 25th though; the > celebration started a couple of weeks before and ran till December 24th when > they had the high feast of Saturn. The 25th was a day of recovery I > suppose:-) It was a time of riotous and orgiastic behavior for many, > including criminals, since the courts and the "police" were completely shut > down and there was nobody to go after bad guys. At any rate, the new Catholic > authorities merely converted Saturnalia into the High Mass to celebrate the > Birth of Christ (ie Christ-mass) since it was already the high point of the > year in the old system of holy days. BTW, historians generally have the birth > of Jesus as occurring in October or March, depending on whether they use old > records of either the census (which was the reason Joseph and Mary were in > Bethlehem, Joseph's hometown) or astronomical records of an unusually bright > star. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V4 #326 ***********************************