From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V4 #274 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, October 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 274 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPR: London [SKAchix89@aol.com] NPR: mail about me ["Sebastian Hale" ] Re: NPR: London/Paris/Amsterdam [Jason M Crawford ] Re: NPR: London [Jason M Crawford ] Re: NPR: London [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: London [vette75@frontiernet.net] Re: NPR: hello out there? ["mayotta - kun" ] Re: another world ["mayotta - kun" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:11:42 EDT From: SKAchix89@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: London Hi all. I *never* post, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in about Paris/London. I had a great time in London the two times I've been, but my cousins live in this little tiny village which was sort of a hike, so I spent more time with sheep than I did with people in the city. We go to Paris at least once a year, on the other hand: (1) If you go to really tourist-y areas, expect to be treated like a tourist. ie, like shit. We always stay in the more blue-collar neighborhoods in Les Halles (the former market area), and everyone's always been wonderful. I've had the experience of nasty Frenchmen about twice in years of visiting. Besides, last time I was in London, I couldn't run down the street & immediately have amazing wine shops, pastry shops, bakeries, etc. on hand- and for cheap. (2) If you make an effort to go off the beaten path, you can find some amazing stuff, AND the people won't treat you like shit. Of course, it helps to have some French under your belt. I hate to say it, but I can see how people would get pissed off having to deal with tourists who bitch all day long. You wouldn't expect a French person to come over here & go, "Why don't these people speak French?", so why is it ok for us to go over there & say, "Why don't these people speak American?". Yes, it's a different culture, but so what? Paris is an amazing city. Abd, yes, if you act like a tourist, you are more likely to be targeted in stuff like getting your wallet stolen etc. It's a sad fact, but true. And it tends to be true in MOST big cities that have mass tourism. And it's bullshit that all Parisians hate Americans. Do all Americans hate Parisians? No. Why would the opposite be true? Sure, if you go to Le Printemps (a huge department store), the saleswomen may be nasty, but I've encountered my fair share of horrible sales clerks out & about at Bloomingdale's & Nordstroms. It happens. Ok. That degenerated on a tangent.... Anyways. I would definitely recommend you see Paris, at least to go to the Louvre & what have you. Go satiate your brain with art. The chunnel is probably the way to go, and it's not *too* expensive if I recall. It really deserves more time than a day or two, but if it's what you have to work with.... You probably won't regret it. Just get one of those "Paris for Cheap" guidebooks & you should have yourself a good time. And they have an amazing nightlife if you're into the right things. Be forwarned, beer is often exorbitantly expensive (in my experience); so if you hate wine, be ready to shell out some $$. - -Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:31:56 GMT From: "Sebastian Hale" Subject: NPR: mail about me Hi. My name is Sebastian Hale (Bob, Joe). I live in England and I love Poe. I am (the youngest person in the list. $20 says so) 13. Music other than poe is Fear Factory, Smashing Pumpkins, U2, Ronald Ray-Gun, Beastie Boys, Fat boy slim..... etc..... I have a web site coming soon so look out. I'll put the address up when it's done. I also like to skate board and think snowboarding is really cool. Iguess that's all I have to say. I'm also a real neardy, geek, goon kind of guy. Gotta love me!!! - - seb/ Bob/ Joe *we are 1 person!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:28:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason M Crawford Subject: Re: NPR: London/Paris/Amsterdam Hey Ed, I just got back from London on the 19th. I'll give you a few things I noted, but first, about Amsterdam and Paris: Paris, you can take the Eurostar through the Chunnel to Paris in about 3 hours. There was a deal going on when I left, if you traveled with another person, you could go for 59 pounds each. That's about $100. I believe that was one way though. If you do purchase tickets, see what rate you'll get for round trip vs. one way. I didn't and it was a huge mistake. Amsterdam is three countries away from England, but you can take the ferry at Dover (about 1.5 hrs across the English Channel) and then you'll look at about 5hrs of driving time. I don't know train rates unfortunately. Back to London. The Underground (subway/metro/etc) is awesome. If you can, purchase a 3-day pass before you leave. If not, get the 2-day pass and look at the maps with the color schemes for the zones. Purchase the pass for as many zones as you think you'll need. Minimum: 1 & 2 Pub scene: most pubs close at 11:00 p.m. The Underground stops at midnight. Be prepared to walk into a pub at 8:30 on a Monday night and see people completely smashed all around. Great fun. One place I went that had a decent scene was Covent Garden (on the Picadilly line). Step out of the station, hang a right then follow the crowds. There were bars all over the place. When the pubs close, hop back on the Underground for your station, then stroll around. There might be some hotel bars or a few other places you might find to party into the wee hours. Be extra careful of pickpockets in London and Amsterdam. London is worse and Paris is kinda tame. Hope this helps. Jason Crawford back from a 28-day party across Europe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:39:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason M Crawford Subject: Re: NPR: London > Paris absolutly sucks... the building are pretty, but the subways are > nasty, they'll mow you over in a second, steal your wallet/money (i should > know, I got robbed) and Jim Morrisons grave isnt what its made out to Ouch. > think we might be going to Spain, Austria, and Italy too... Anyone know of > any good places to go in those 3 places? Barcelona, Spain was tons of fun. If I had to pick a place to live on Booze and Bread, that was the one. The currency there was a pretty nice exchange from the dollar, booze was super cheap. Sangria! Oh, Sangria! I went to the Olympic Stadium there, walked around La Rambla (the main strip) a lot and saw some great Gaudi architecture. I wished I could have made it to his park. Tapas Bars... mmmm, good! I went to Vienna, Innsbruck, Jungfrau and Hopfgarten (in the Austrian Tyrol) and loved Austria. The last two places were fairly secluded but so nice and picturesque. Innsbruck was fairly cool, but I was only there for a little while. Vienna was definitely a fun place and there were some cool palaces and lots of nice people. Maybe it helped that I spoke German. Italy: I was in Florence, Rome and Venice. Florence was my favorite but all the cities had things to offer. Unfortunately, I thought Venice was the biggest tourist trap. The gondola ride was fun, made more so by the three girls and three bottles of wine. What made Italy fun for me was the chaos. You don't stand in line. You push and shove and get to the front. Fight for what you want. If you don't, little old Italian women will knock you out of the way. No lie. Some of my friends struggled with this concept, I thrived on it. Just remember that you're a civilized human being when you leave the country. Ciao bella! Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:52:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason M Crawford Subject: Re: NPR: London > (2) If you make an effort to go off the beaten path, you can find some > amazing stuff, AND the people won't treat you like shit. Of course, it helps > to have some French under your belt. I hate to say it, but I can see how Two excellent points. If you're going to travel, don't be worried about wandering and exploring. Do it. You definitely will find great deals on side streets or ones that parallel the tourist streets just a block or two away. Also, make an effort to speak the host country's language. Buy a cheap phrase book that has 10-12 languages in it. So what if you mangle it? People will be glad to see you try their language, at least the attempt. You might struggle a bit, but you will have a more enjoyable time trying to speak the native tongue and seeing the results than being a brash American. I spent some time traveling alone and I got a tad paranoid in some places... but the worst was Friday night in Amsterdam. Lots of sketchy characters kept bumping into me. At night, stay in well lit areas if you can. Walk like you know exactly where you are going and why (i.e. with a purpose). Otherwise, find some safety in numbers and stay with your friends. One other point, buy a money belt and use it. There are a variety of different ones. Keep some of your cash, credit cards, passport there. Put a little cash in your wallet for buying lunches, etc... and being a decoy. Ciao! Jason - --finally over jetlag! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:51:47 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: London In a message dated 10/23/1999 8:39:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, s0jmcraw@atlas.vcu.edu writes: << > think we might be going to Spain, Austria, and Italy too... Anyone know of > any good places to go in those 3 places? Barcelona, Spain was tons of fun. If I had to pick a place to live on Booze and Bread, that was the one. The currency there was a pretty nice exchange from the dollar, booze was super cheap. Sangria! Oh, Sangria! I went to the Olympic Stadium there, walked around La Rambla (the main strip) a lot and saw some great Gaudi architecture. I wished I could have made it to his park. Tapas Bars... mmmm, good! >> If you go to Barcelona,you might want to check out the Balearic Isles off the coast.............there is a ship from Barcelona that takes about half a day or so to get there...............you meet good people on the ship too.There are also airports,but I don't think it is nearly as cheap to fly.Ibiza used to be THE hip place.When I was there,the likes of Jimi Hendrix and Joni Mitchell et al were there.I drank beers with Zal Yanovsky of the Lovin' Spoonful and Taj Mahal actually made up a song on my old Martin guitar:-)It has been overrun by the Euro-disco crowd from what I have heard recently,but there are still a lot of "arty" types there.................and where you get Euro-disco,you usually get.......................heh,heh raves :-) Mallorca is the main island,where Palma,the capitol of the Baleares, is.It is full of artists and writers.............it has been a combination art colony/tourist place for many years.Menorca,the second largest island, is all fishing villages and isn't so interesting.Formenterra,the smallest,used to be (and probably still is) a major drop point in the Middle East/Marsailles (French Connection) heroin traffic.We called it Zombieland when I lived in Ibiza because all the junkies would gravitate there for the nearly pure smack they could get cheap.Michaelangelo Antonioni's film "More" was made there (music and album by Pink Floyd BTW).It is about French teens who go there and get all strung out. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:10:46 -0400 From: vette75@frontiernet.net Subject: Re: NPR: London How do I het off this list? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:09:29 GMT From: "mayotta - kun" Subject: Re: NPR: hello out there? rebecca-- i haven't gotten any in a while, either. i wonder where everybody is... --mayotta まよった >From: "Me :-Þ" >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: NPR: hello out there? >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:16:33 GMT > > >Something is really weird - I didn't get a single letter from an AP today. >Am I still on the list? What's up with this? I didn't do anything .... > -Rebecca > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:48:11 GMT From: "mayotta - kun" Subject: Re: another world i only wanted to know what meant to people. --mayotta まよった >From: Robert Cobb >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: another world >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:53:54 -0700 (PDT) > > >The great thing about real alternative music is that >everyone can have his own impression on what he thinks >a song is about, unlike pop. So don't ask people what >a song is about, there are so many people out there >too lazy to think for themselves already. > >Psycho Ward >login: ap >password: nUm1Baby (or is it nUm1BABY)[case >sensitive] > >Later Psychos >Albie Adahlfin > >===== > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V4 #274 ***********************************