From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V4 #237 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Thursday, September 16 1999 Volume 04 : Number 237 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPR (oxymorons) [Ed Hunsinger ] Re: NPR: re: European APs? ["Darren McDonald" ] Re: NPR (oxymorons) ["Darren McDonald" ] NPR: beating a dead horse [goldfisher ] Re: NPR: beating a dead horse ["Darren McDonald" ] Re: NPR (oxymorons) ["Red Halcyon+On+On" ] Re: NPR (oxymorons) [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR (oxymorons) ["Kelly Lesperance" ] RE:Re: NPR: beating a dead horse ["Laurie" ] Re: NPR: re: European APs? [PyroShwee@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:42:04 -0400 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: Re: NPR (oxymorons) At 09:28 PM 9/11/99 -0700, Red Halcyon+On+On wrote: > >there is reasonable artistry in rap as in there is reasonable artistry in >other forms of music; it is the popular conception of artistry that >continues to excludes black artists from mainstream acceptance of their art >as plain art. > >listen to wutang. i didn't like 'em back way back when, but now is a >different matter. the rza can assemble a very minimalisticly intricate song, >and masta killa's rhymes incorporate the classical poetic devices of >enjambment and off- and para-rhyme. > >if hardcore wutang style is too much, try the slightly diluted tastes of >amp2. method man and krs-1 processed thru the prodigy and goldie, >respectively, and an exceptionally beautiful track courtesy chuck d. > >of course, these songs are primarily acceptable to the non-hiphop enthusiast >because they come under the guise of electronica, a lot of which is an >appropriation of hiphop, either produced or consumed by white folk. then >again, one can argue that it isn't white appropriation of black music, it's >acknowledgement and acceptance of diverse musical styles. > >the end. > >** >Red Halcyon+On+On >AIM: SadAlClown and/or UeberVixen >ICQ: 24882350. >http://members.tripod.com/~Mettic/front.html >** Ok, I put off responding to this as I was trying to take some time to formulate my response, but alas, time is not available, so here's my half-ass attempt at provoking some thoughts in people.. :) I'm taking a course in Philosophy of the Arts so this is a topic I'll be studying all year long.. :) But anyways, my opinion is that yes, some rap is art for some, but for others it isn't. My main thing is to look at the intention upon which the music was created. Someone can take a bunch of paint, throw it on a canvas and try to sell it, and it wouldn't be art, but the paintings that Jackson Pollock does are art. IT's all about the intention behind art that makes it art (at least in my book, choose your own philosophy) I see a lot of the rap artists concerned with money and being successful in the world of music rather than focused more on the music itself. I'm not trying to single out rap alone though, there are many different genres of music that have the same sort of thing going on. One image that just continues to stick in my head when I think about rap (and I know this is a gross generalization, and I'm not classifying all rap, I do listen to some of it) is an image of 2pac holding a handfull of money with the biggest smile on his face jumping around talking about how rich he is going to be. I can understand getting paid to be a musician, but I think that's a side effect. It's society's way of saying, yes, what you do makes us happy, here we'll support you monetarily if you continue it. Not "we like what you do, you are a god." I think too many of the people in the entertainment industry get this sort of reaction from the public, but I'm not about to delve into that subject.. :) Now don't jump on me for bashing rap or anything, that's not what I'm doing.. I'm just asking people to take a closer look at the motivation behind people and the public's reaction to them.. :) oh and I'd be interested in hearing the electronic mixes of that stuff you were talking about Red/Sad Alcoholic Clown,know where to get them? :) I'm guessing they're probably Jungle/DnB (a small section of the electronica genre) remixes and I like that stuff.. :) I'll leave you with something Will Smith said on MTV the other day: something to the effect of: "I don't kill anybody in my records and I don't curse, and yet I'm still on the top." Ed ed@poe.org ICQ: 15667748 AIM: ied33i http://divinity.relic.net http://divinity.relic.net:8000 <-----Tune in with Winamp to hear me *P.eace L.ove U.nity R.espect* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:26:18 BST From: "Darren McDonald" Subject: Re: NPR: re: European APs? As you all seem to be going to london......go to the truckerdro center if you get the chance.......it's heaven.....the only problem is that you don't what to leave, and if you don't do the drop ride, your a wimp. Then theres the Vergin MEGA store.....they sell tons and tons and tons of videos, CD's, and games.....put it this way, they even have a section for old amgia games,The rest of London is boring if you ask me, so don't waste your time looking at the bridges and stuff......because your find watching grass grow more fun. - -Darren >From: "pseudo-sarah." >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: NPR: re: European APs? >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:34:45 -0700 (PDT) > > > >not to brag or nothin, but i'm going nov. 24-29 i >believe. can't wait, i've never been out of the >country before. i can brush up on my cockney accent >and eat gray mush and tell corny vegetarian jokes to >the beefeaters and we'll all be one big happy family. > >sarah. > >--- PyroShwee@aol.com wrote: > > > > Ahhh!!! you are SOO lucky to get to go to > > London!!!!!!!! I was there over > > Easter and it was the most incredible place I have > > ever been--Im going back > > this coming summer for graduation and Im going for a > > year in college..and a > > lot more after that.. man, your lucky!! :) > > > > Ashley > > pyroshwee@aol.com > > > > > > In a message dated 9/13/99 6:40:17 PM Eastern > > Daylight Time, > > s0jmcraw@atlas.vcu.edu writes: > > > > << During the last two weeks in October i'm going to > > have a lot of free time > > and I'll be back in London around the 18th. If the > > money holds out, I'll > > be up for some visiting. >> > > > >=== >:.page.: http://dinette.org/sarah > >"this place is a sick circus and one day i'll go, thank goddess, because >then i'll be on a beach just like this one, forever. and if i went right >now i'd be cool with it, because at least i know i put my two cents in." >-hothead paisan >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:28:57 BST From: "Darren McDonald" Subject: Re: NPR (oxymorons) I don't know about you, but I think that rap is nothing but a load of S%^T, people who listen to it are F"Łked up, the music is preformed by people who can't sing.........and talk in a funney way instead. - -Darren >From: Ed Hunsinger >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: NPR (oxymorons) >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:42:04 -0400 > > >At 09:28 PM 9/11/99 -0700, Red Halcyon+On+On wrote: > > > >there is reasonable artistry in rap as in there is reasonable artistry in > >other forms of music; it is the popular conception of artistry that > >continues to excludes black artists from mainstream acceptance of their >art > >as plain art. > > > >listen to wutang. i didn't like 'em back way back when, but now is a > >different matter. the rza can assemble a very minimalisticly intricate >song, > >and masta killa's rhymes incorporate the classical poetic devices of > >enjambment and off- and para-rhyme. > > > >if hardcore wutang style is too much, try the slightly diluted tastes of > >amp2. method man and krs-1 processed thru the prodigy and goldie, > >respectively, and an exceptionally beautiful track courtesy chuck d. > > > >of course, these songs are primarily acceptable to the non-hiphop >enthusiast > >because they come under the guise of electronica, a lot of which is an > >appropriation of hiphop, either produced or consumed by white folk. then > >again, one can argue that it isn't white appropriation of black music, >it's > >acknowledgement and acceptance of diverse musical styles. > > > >the end. > > > >** > >Red Halcyon+On+On > >AIM: SadAlClown and/or UeberVixen > >ICQ: 24882350. > >http://members.tripod.com/~Mettic/front.html > >** > > >Ok, I put off responding to this as I was trying to take some time to >formulate my response, but alas, time is not available, so here's my >half-ass attempt at provoking some thoughts in people.. :) I'm taking a >course in Philosophy of the Arts so this is a topic I'll be studying all >year long.. :) But anyways, my opinion is that yes, some rap is art for >some, but for others it isn't. My main thing is to look at the intention >upon which the music was created. Someone can take a bunch of paint, throw >it on a canvas and try to sell it, and it wouldn't be art, but the >paintings that Jackson Pollock does are art. IT's all about the intention >behind art that makes it art (at least in my book, choose your own >philosophy) I see a lot of the rap artists concerned with money and being >successful in the world of music rather than focused more on the music >itself. I'm not trying to single out rap alone though, there are many >different genres of music that have the same sort of thing going on. One >image that just continues to stick in my head when I think about rap (and I >know this is a gross generalization, and I'm not classifying all rap, I do >listen to some of it) is an image of 2pac holding a handfull of money with >the biggest smile on his face jumping around talking about how rich he is >going to be. I can understand getting paid to be a musician, but I think >that's a side effect. It's society's way of saying, yes, what you do makes >us happy, here we'll support you monetarily if you continue it. Not "we >like what you do, you are a god." I think too many of the people in the >entertainment industry get this sort of reaction from the public, but I'm >not about to delve into that subject.. :) Now don't jump on me for bashing >rap or anything, that's not what I'm doing.. I'm just asking people to take >a closer look at the motivation behind people and the public's reaction to >them.. :) oh and I'd be interested in hearing the electronic mixes of that >stuff you were talking about Red/Sad Alcoholic Clown,know where to get >them? :) I'm guessing they're probably Jungle/DnB (a small section of the >electronica genre) remixes and I like that stuff.. :) I'll leave you with >something Will Smith said on MTV the other day: something to the effect of: > "I don't kill anybody in my records and I don't curse, and yet I'm still >on the top." >Ed >ed@poe.org >ICQ: 15667748 >AIM: ied33i > >http://divinity.relic.net > >http://divinity.relic.net:8000 <-----Tune in with Winamp to hear me >*P.eace L.ove U.nity R.espect* > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:59:33 -0700 (PDT) From: goldfisher Subject: NPR: beating a dead horse leave your narrow-minded opinions to yourself. see, 'cause as we have all exhausted this, subjective people, write in a "funney" way. - --- Darren McDonald wrote: > > I don't know about you, but I think that rap is > nothing but a load of S%^T, > people who listen to it are F"Łked up, the music is > preformed by people who > can't sing.........and talk in a funney way instead. > > -Darren > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:15:20 BST From: "Darren McDonald" Subject: Re: NPR: beating a dead horse Yes but at least I admit I write in a funny way, and I have not deluded my self in to thinking that crap could be considerd as art. - -Darren >From: goldfisher >To: Darren McDonald , angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: NPR: beating a dead horse >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:59:33 -0700 (PDT) > > >leave your narrow-minded opinions to yourself. see, >'cause as we have all exhausted this, subjective >people, write in a "funney" way. > >--- Darren McDonald wrote: > > > > I don't know about you, but I think that rap is > > nothing but a load of S%^T, > > people who listen to it are F"Łked up, the music is > > preformed by people who > > can't sing.........and talk in a funney way instead. > > > > -Darren > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:43:42 PDT From: "Red Halcyon+On+On" Subject: Re: NPR (oxymorons) these mixes are on mtv's electronica compilation, amp2, certainly available at most record stores. and btw, i've dropped the last name (like madonna, cher, etc). just call me Red Halcyon+On+On > >if hardcore wutang style is too much, try the slightly diluted tastes of > >amp2. method man and krs-1 processed thru the prodigy and goldie, > >respectively, and an exceptionally beautiful track courtesy chuck d. >them.. :) oh and I'd be interested in hearing the electronic mixes of that >stuff you were talking about Red/Sad Alcoholic Clown,know where to get >them? :) I'm guessing they're probably Jungle/DnB (a small section of the >electronica genre) remixes and I like that stuff.. :) ** Red Halcyon+On+On AIM: SadAlClown and/or UeberVixen ICQ: 24882350. http://members.tripod.com/~Mettic/front.html ** "Do your dreams come true?" "It's been a while since I've dreamt something happy." ** HALCYON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON+ON ** "In dreaming, the clouds methought would open and show me riches ready to drop upon me, that, when I waked, I cried to dream again." - "The Tempest" III.ii.135-138 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:33:12 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR (oxymorons) In a message dated 9/15/1999 7:16:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hunsin_e@cc.denison.edu writes: << I'll leave you with something Will Smith said on MTV the other day: something to the effect of: "I don't kill anybody in my records and I don't curse, and yet I'm still on the top." >> Well,the really important issue is whether Will gets naked for the folks,don't you think:-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:38:25 -0400 From: "Kelly Lesperance" Subject: Re: NPR (oxymorons) let's hope not.. nobody wants to see Little Willy :) > << I'll leave you with > something Will Smith said on MTV the other day: something to the effect of: > "I don't kill anybody in my records and I don't curse, and yet I'm still > on the top." >> > Well,the really important issue is whether Will gets naked for the > folks,don't you think:-) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:7:11 -0600 From: "Laurie" Subject: RE:Re: NPR: beating a dead horse Haven't you ever read Hume's essay on aesthetics? (any of the 4 actually.. i believe there are 4..) or T.S. Eliot's "Tradition and the Individual Talent?" Have you ever heard of the "Standard of Taste" in aesthetics? Or, are you completely unversed in this subject matter, but continue to flaunt your atrocious generalizations and "poorly-based" (I use that term loosely, and in lack of a better word coming to mind, i don't believe I should get criticized for being hypocritical there) opinions? Well, if you have read these essays, or any of the numerous others on this subject, then congratulations! You feel the need to contradict nearly every statement about Art made in them. But, if if the latter of those two applies, I, would appreciate your... well, I would appreciate if you kept your opinions to yourself, please, at least until you learn the skills of comunication which will help you to not sound like an ass when you voice aforementioned opinions. Just a small statement. Laurie - ---------------------------------------------- From: "Darren McDonald" I have not deluded my >self in to thinking that crap could be considerd as art. > >-Darren > > _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:35:57 EDT From: PyroShwee@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: re: European APs? Whatever dude-- there's way more to life than stupid ass video games and movies.. The scenery in London is incredible and the clubs kick ass. Green Park is beautiful, the cab drivers are awesome, the people are SO nice, the subways rock, the liquor and cigarettes taste a lot better, and its safe. The Hypodrome at Picadilly Circus is awesome and its one of the top 3 discoteques in the world.. As I said before, get a life. and quit trying to be like Xeno--youre not. Ashley pyroshwee@aol.com In a message dated 9/15/99 6:04:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, escrenski@hotmail.com writes: << Then theres the Vergin MEGA store.....they sell tons and tons and tons of videos, CD's, and games.....put it this way, they even have a section for old amgia games,The rest of London is boring if you ask me, so don't waste your time looking at the bridges and stuff......because your find watching grass grow more fun. >> ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V4 #237 ***********************************