From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V4 #140 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Friday, June 4 1999 Volume 04 : Number 140 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Tragic Demise ["PadmaT" ] Re: Tragic Demise {suggestions} [The Mighty Frekstylie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Jun 1999 07:34:26 -0600 From: "PadmaT" Subject: RE: Tragic Demise Dear Rich and other Psychos, I don't believe that there is any lack whatsoever of music with substance...of course, it depends on what one means by "substance", but in my nearly 40 years I have found that substantive art and trash exist side by side, with trash holding a substantial edge in quantity. But when we look at the past, say the 60s, we remember the GREAT bands: Jefferson Airplane, The Rolling Stones, The Grateful Dead, The Beatles; and we tend to forget The Archies, The Partridge Family, and the rest of the nonsense. There is incredible, profound, and magnificent music--even popular music--being recorded and produced today. Of course, it's more diffuse now, and is no longer concentrated in the U.S. and U.K. Expand the range of your ears to hear Iva Bittova from the Czech Republic, Hector Zazou from France, Helga Pogatschar from Germany and, of course, Iceland's Bjork Gundmundsdottir. Folk music in particular has enjoyed a tremendous resergence with the artistic success of such artists as Loreena McKennitt, Dead Can Dance/Lisa Gerrard, Jewel, Ani DiFranco and others. And rock music is nowhere near its death-knell: Poe, The Creatures, and other bands, while not filling football stadiums, continue to produce music of great merit. Perhaps things are simply more diffuse. For one of the best concerts imaginable (in terms of quality music), check out Hot Tuna and/or The Jorma Kaukonen Trio. Not only is Jorma (formerly of Jefferson Airplane and currently of Hot Tuna & JKT) one of the world's true masters on guitar, but Jack Casady is still regarded by many as the greatest bass player EVER in rock and blues music (currently, though, Jack is touring with the magnificently revitalized Jefferson Starship, whose newest CD, "Windows of Heaven", is absolutely brilliant; Jorma is touring with JKT). You'd have the added benefit of seeing a great band and great musicians in an intimate setting. Often, the fault is in ourselves for not keeping our ears and minds open. We're underexposed. But...if you still can't find something you like by contemporary artists, Billie Holliday, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Jefferson Airplane, etc., etc., etc., are all available on CD. Finally, while rock music is particularly suited to protest songs (it is, after all, firmly rooted in the mother of all protest genres, folk music), one must beware of what Joseph Campbell aptly referred to as "didactic pornography", or art which is subservient to a "message". When the message comes before the art, the art is diminished and is no longer art. And when the art comes first, the message is louder, anyway...check out (old songs) "Silent Night/7 o'clock News" by Simon and Garfunkel or "Eskimo Blue Day" by Grace Slick/Jefferson Airplane, and you'll see what I mean. Blah blah blah blah...sorry for going on! Padma _______________________________________________________________________________ From: Rich Fleider on Wed, Jun 2, 1999 5:55 PM Subject: Tragic Demise To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >what happened to music with substance? I guess art imitates life. I can't quite remember for sure where I read it (Details or Wired magazine I believe) but there was a very interesting article written not too long ago about how the trends in music are linked to the state of the country's economy and the prevailing political climate. It really makes sense when you consider when (and where) some of the most important musical milestones occurred. The explosion of US hippie culture and music, the British punk movement, the Goth subculture, and the genesis of the industrial/electronic genre (to name a few) were all reactions to a conservative cultural period coupled with negative economic trends. The "alternative" music scene began as a reaction to cheery, disposable 80s pop and Reganomics. Right now we have a comparatively liberal administration and a rather positive economy. Basically, there just aren't that many important issues to rally against as a nation (yet) so a lot of current popular songs can come across as being rather whiny and self-centered rants against nothing in particular. Don't get me wrong, not all good music has to make a rebellious political statement and there are quite a lot of quality new bands popping up but a larger overall pattern has yet to emerge in such a climate. Just something to consider when listening to the newest Toadies clone or when choosing your next President. ;-) Rich - ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mail.rmc.org with ADMIN;2 Jun 1999 17:54:54 -0600 Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA27272; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id TAA05277; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:49:46 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id TAA05265 for angry-psychos-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rogue-ent.com (rogue-ent.com [38.252.190.2]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id TAA05261 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dos_rich (dos_rich.rogue-ent.com [38.252.190.4]) by rogue-ent.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA26595 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:49:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990602184859.00b212c0@rogue-ent.com> X-Sender: richf@rogue-ent.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:48:59 -0500 To: angry-psychos@smoe.org From: Rich Fleider Subject: Tragic Demise In-Reply-To: <199906020530.BAA07040@smoe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 09:56:29 EDT From: The Mighty Frekstylie Subject: Re: Tragic Demise {suggestions} Yeah, there are alot of good music out there granted, but I was merely commenting on the lack of the good stuff being marketed. But, i just wanted to state some good bands too! 1)Primus....Rhinoplasty is SUCH a great ep 2)Hed Pe.....good rap metal thrash band 3)Soul Coughing 4)Morphine Its just that so many of the once great bands of an era have broken up. Soundgarden, Stone Temple Pilots. It makes me wonder how Silverchair can perservere and still make music. And *sigh* the death of Bradley Nowell of Sublime was such a tragic waste. Check out Stand By Your Van by Sublime sometime. Perhaps one of the best live CD's i have heard in a while. Marnell=) (inconspicuos ammo supplier for bsb militia, Florida Chapter) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:05:24 PDT From: Kung-Gene Chu Subject: Re: Tragic Demise I have to really say that Portishead ROCKS!!!!!!! Definitely my favorite band...Beth Gibbons and Geoff Barrows are geniuses! I definitely recommend them to anyone. Also, if you like Portishead already, may I suggest The Controls. They're a Portsiheady kind of music...I guess you could say trip-hop/dance sound...I got their CD as result of advice from the portishead list, and I've been listening to it every since. I think you can only get them online, since nobody's heard of them. Plus, if you like movie music (by this I mean scores), the Life is Beautiful soundtrack is a stirring, beautiful collection. You have to see the movie to appreciate the music, but it is great music. regards, Kung-Gene > > >>some artists from my collection that i like who may interest u and give >u a >few options are: >Orgy, patti rothberg, leah andreone, tori amos, veruca salt, offspring, >the >faculty sdtk<< > >Tori Amos and Veruca Salt would be at the top of my list. I also >recommend: >PJ Harvey,Portishead, Luscious Jackson, Cibo Matto, K's Choice,Rusted >root... >I could go on, but I won't. :) >~~Victoria~~ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V4 #140 ***********************************