From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V4 #139 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Thursday, June 3 1999 Volume 04 : Number 139 Today's Subjects: ----------------- two years [Flickergrl@aol.com] Re: Tragic Demise ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Tragic Demise [Rich Fleider ] Re: Tragic Demise [Rich Fleider ] Re: Tragic Demise [Rebecca Lynn Clark ] Re: Tragic Demise [Tiffany Berg ] Re: Tragic Demise [Victoria C Myers ] Re: Tragic Demise [Victoria C Myers ] Re: Tragic Demise turns into Ed's diatribe on Love [Ed Hunsinger Subject: Re: Tragic Demise I'm tired of the crap on the radio being played over and over. What sort of advice do you have for a poor country girl? http://www.modernmusicandmore.com/ http://wber.monroe.edu n j0y ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:48:59 -0500 From: Rich Fleider Subject: Tragic Demise >what happened to music with substance? I guess art imitates life. I can't quite remember for sure where I read it (Details or Wired magazine I believe) but there was a very interesting article written not too long ago about how the trends in music are linked to the state of the country's economy and the prevailing political climate. It really makes sense when you consider when (and where) some of the most important musical milestones occurred. The explosion of US hippie culture and music, the British punk movement, the Goth subculture, and the genesis of the industrial/electronic genre (to name a few) were all reactions to a conservative cultural period coupled with negative economic trends. The "alternative" music scene began as a reaction to cheery, disposable 80s pop and Reganomics. Right now we have a comparatively liberal administration and a rather positive economy. Basically, there just aren't that many important issues to rally against as a nation (yet) so a lot of current popular songs can come across as being rather whiny and self-centered rants against nothing in particular. Don't get me wrong, not all good music has to make a rebellious political statement and there are quite a lot of quality new bands popping up but a larger overall pattern has yet to emerge in such a climate. Just something to consider when listening to the newest Toadies clone or when choosing your next President. ;-) Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:15:13 -0500 From: Rich Fleider Subject: Re: Tragic Demise >what happened to music with substance? I guess art imitates life. I can't quite remember for sure where I read it (Details or Wired magazine I believe) but there was a very interesting article written not too long ago about how the trends in music are linked to the state of the country's economy and the prevailing political climate. It really makes sense when you consider when (and where) some of the most important musical milestones occurred. The explosion of US hippie culture and music, the British punk movement, the Goth subculture, and the genesis of the industrial/electronic genre (to name a few) were all reactions to a conservative cultural period coupled with negative economic trends. The "alternative" music scene began as a reaction to cheery, disposable 80s pop and Reganomics. Right now we have a comparatively liberal administration and a rather positive economy. Basically, there just aren't that many important issues to rally against as a nation (yet) so a lot of current popular songs can come across as being rather whiny and self-centered rants against nothing in particular. Don't get me wrong, not all good music has to make a rebellious political statement and there are quite a lot of quality new bands popping up but a larger overall pattern has yet to emerge in such a climate. Just something to consider when listening to the newest Toadies clone or when choosing your next President. ;-) Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:51:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Rebecca Lynn Clark Subject: Re: Tragic Demise Interested theory...but i have to disagree... I think there are thousands of problems in our society that artists should be and can be writing about... race issues are still a problem...violence (expecially now in schools) is a HUGE problem... women and minorities are still not treated equally... There's the whole Kosovo thing... And ya know what....the most popular theme for ALL music is still there...LOVE....the majority of all music EVER composed is about love and the hurt of love... That didn't go anywhere....TRUST ME Just because no one intelligent is putting out music, doesn't mean thereisn't anything intelligent to write about... it just should be a kick in the pants for the intelligent artists to get their asses outt of the studios they have been hiding in... *wondering which will come out first...the new Poe album,or the long awaited NIN album....*sigh* * As far as people listening to the garbage being put out....i put all the blame on MTV and their fluff-mobile They overplay the good songs AND the bad, until we can't stand ever the few good songs they play... And since when did MTV become BoyGroup&RapTV???? And i thought the days of RealWorld 24/7 was bad... When we wanted them to play more music, we meant good music...not some 16 yr old who's parents got her breast implants for her birthday, who sings like she's got a small frog hidden in her throat who croaks every now and then.... I am seriously debating finding the Backstreet Boys and murdering them...and i blame thw girl who lives next door for my murderous intentions....she has been playing their cd on repeat and FULL VOLUME 24/7 ever since the damnj cd came out...I can't even sleep....she plays it LITERALLY 24 hours a day non-stop! I think she leaves it in when she goes to class!! - -THE BSB MURDERESS (aka becky) On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Rich Fleider wrote: > > >what happened to music with substance? I guess art imitates life. > > I can't quite remember for sure where I read it (Details or Wired magazine > I believe) but there was a very interesting article written not too long > ago about how the trends in music are linked to the state of the country's > economy and the prevailing political climate. It really makes sense when > you consider when (and where) some of the most important musical milestones > occurred. The explosion of US hippie culture and music, the British punk > movement, the Goth subculture, and the genesis of the industrial/electronic > genre (to name a few) were all reactions to a conservative cultural period > coupled with negative economic trends. The "alternative" music scene began > as a reaction to cheery, disposable 80s pop and Reganomics. Right now we > have a comparatively liberal administration and a rather positive economy. > Basically, there just aren't that many important issues to rally against as > a nation (yet) so a lot of current popular songs can come across as being > rather whiny and self-centered rants against nothing in particular. > > Don't get me wrong, not all good music has to make a rebellious political > statement and there are quite a lot of quality new bands popping up but a > larger overall pattern has yet to emerge in such a climate. Just something > to consider when listening to the newest Toadies clone or when choosing > your next President. ;-) > > Rich > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:30:11 PDT From: Tiffany Berg Subject: Re: Tragic Demise some artists from my collection that i like who may interest u and give u a few options are: Orgy, patti rothberg, leah andreone, tori amos, veruca salt, offspring, the faculty sdtk, hmm...i'm not sure if that helped or not i'm not sure they all fit the alternative type but they(and many others)are still worth it to listen to. but i guess people have different types that they like to listen to so, maybe this doesn't help u but maybe it does to someone else. oh well, thanks for reading my rambling. Tiff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AOL Screen name: Si1verf1y ICQ #: 23280966 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Carpe Diem Baby!!" -Metallica ******************************************* Wow, it's not hard!! ... I mean your hair. - --T.K.B.-- _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:45:47 -0400 From: Victoria C Myers Subject: Re: Tragic Demise >>I am seriously debating finding the Backstreet Boys and murdering them<< Hand me a torch, let's form a mob! I'm behind you 100 percent. The BSB assassin's sidekick, ~~Victoria~~ "Thanks a lot, big brain." - -Vonnegut ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:55:20 -0400 From: Victoria C Myers Subject: Re: Tragic Demise >>some artists from my collection that i like who may interest u and give u a few options are: Orgy, patti rothberg, leah andreone, tori amos, veruca salt, offspring, the faculty sdtk<< Tori Amos and Veruca Salt would be at the top of my list. I also recommend: PJ Harvey,Portishead, Luscious Jackson, Cibo Matto, K's Choice,Rusted root... I could go on, but I won't. :) ~~Victoria~~ "Thanks a lot, big brain." - -Vonnegut ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 22:49:31 -0400 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: Re: Tragic Demise turns into Ed's diatribe on Love Rebecca Lynn Clark wrote: > Interested theory...but i have to disagree... > I think there are thousands of problems in our society that artists should > be and can be writing about... > race issues are still a problem...violence (expecially now in schools) is > a HUGE problem... > women and minorities are still not treated equally... > There's the whole Kosovo thing... > And ya know what....the most popular theme for ALL music is still > there...LOVE....the majority of all music EVER composed is about love and > the hurt of love... > That didn't go anywhere....TRUST ME > Just because no one intelligent is putting out music, doesn't mean > thereisn't anything intelligent to write about... > it just should be a kick in the pants for the intelligent artists to get > their asses outt of the studios they have been hiding in... > Love, why is it that this is the one concept that seems to show up so much in any sort of art you look at? It's in just about every sort of art, and there always seems to be more art about it. Except for alternative music these days.. ack, I sound like I'm writing a paper.. ok.. back to more casual typing.. I was coincidentally thinking about love and music today on my walk through the woods. Love is an interesting thing. There are three states to life, well at least in my world, make your own world.. :) 1. In Love: you're hopelessly in love with someone and you have that person there to share your life with. It's not about the sex, or the status, it's about having someone you can link up with and talk to about anything and everything. It's that one person you're not scared to tell your fears and dreams to. It's almost like a guide. It may be the blind leading the blind through life, but as anyone knows, walking through a dark forest lost and alone is much worse than walking through a dark forest lost with someone else. 2. Looking for Love: Maybe someone who has never truly experienced the intensity of connecting with another person in the way that you do when you're "in love" would be placed in this category. Someone who has loved and lost may be in this category if they've found the strength to move on and seek out that which has made them happy before. But is it fair to try to love twice? Isn't love supposed to be for one person and one person only? How can people love someone with all their heart, and then suddenly move on? Was that love or merely infatuation, or physical attraction or something? I can't answer that one, I can't look into other people's souls. 3. Broken-hearted: cliche title, but it's simple, and understandable. Obviously the people who have loved and lost in some way are in this category. Whether it be through death, the other person moving on, or drastic life changes. Some would say this is the worst category to be in, and so many people run from this everyday, scared of what life would be like. They may have fallen out of love, but they are scared to let go of what has become so comfortable. Those are the people in the unhappy marriages, the terrible relationships, and the just plain "it doesn't work anymore" situations. This is also the category for the people who have been "dumped." Back in middle school and early high school, getting dumped seemed to be such a huge thing. You thought you'd be ridiculed, and people rushed to dump the other person before they got dumped, but that wasn't about love, and middle school "romance" isn't my topic tonight. Ok, I've started to ramble haven't I? Anyways, back to the topic of music. The only problem I have with music concerning love is that so much of it seems to be written from the third categories point of view.. It's kind of hard when you're in that category yourself to listen to that music and truly enjoy it because it's basically just wallowing in your misery. Well maybe not misery. It's always nice to remember how happy the memories were then, but then you realize that those are memories, and not the present. Memories like that aren't going to be made tomorrow, maybe not the next day. And so you sit and wonder when a time will come again when those sorts of memories will happen again. In the meantime, you fall in love with the memories and the way things used to be. Anyways, I'm goig way off here, but oh well, this is my personal therapy I guess. Anyways, I'm going to send this to the AP list still because it was what prompted me to start typing this monologue of sorts. Kinda of weird how this list has been such a huge part of my life. What was it, four years ago, that I joined? So much has happened in that short period of time. So much good, as well as some bad. For those of you that are newer and have actually read this far, I'm sorry I don't have the time to fill you in on the details, besides, you have your own life to live, rather than listen to mine. So go live it to it's fullest, love to your fullest, and never lose who you are. - -- Ed hunsin_e@denison.edu "In wildness is the preservation of the world" ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V4 #139 ***********************************