From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V4 #103 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Friday, April 23 1999 Volume 04 : Number 103 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NPR: incongruity [Edie Sedgewick ] late night rant [Jeff ] NPR but important ["Anfrey Cheng" ] Kids... [Cyberfan Corporation ] Re: NPR but important [Cyberfan Corporation ] Re: Kids [Camesegal@aol.com] Re: Kids ["Tiffany Berg" ] NPR: More nonsense [Brilee ] Re: Kids [Rebecca Lynn Clark ] Re: Kids [Ed Hunsinger ] Re: Kids ["Tiffany Berg" ] Re: NPR: More nonsense/Basketball Diaries ["Pegasus@poe.org" ] Re: NPR: RE: Kids [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: Kids *NPR* [Shanna Hollich ] Re: NPR: More nonsense/Basketball Diaries [Ed Hunsinger ] Ed is the man... [Cyberfan Corporation ] Re: Kids ["Kelly Lesperance" ] Re: late night rant ["Amish Stripper Spice" ] RE: NPR: More nonsense/Basketball Diaries [Jason Capriotti ] Re:kids ["Tiffany Berg" ] Re: Kids [UlfDahlen@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:18:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Edie Sedgewick Subject: NPR: incongruity I suppose my last post there was pretty incongruous with all this stuff about the tragedy. Sorry about that. I agree with much of what's said here, especially about the media and their "They listened to Marilyn Manson and played Doom" nonsense. However while I think we can all identify with getting picked on in school--we can all identify with it, and yet we have not shot dozens of our classmates, picking out black kids especially to shoot. I don't think you should blame music or video games and I don't think you should blame the fuckos who picked on these guys either. And some of you guys really creep me out with your "Fuck with us and we'll fuck you back!" and "I'd kill people guns or no!" stuff. Well, anyway, hope we can someday get around to the Best of Poe. Twalen Fleety MonkeyMan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:34:16 -0700 From: Jeff Subject: late night rant So what have we learned today boys and girls? That's right, fear and mistrust anyone who's different. People who wear black are deeply affected, and will try to kill you. Anyone who listens to Marilyn Manson... no scratch that, any one who listens to rock music... is going to take a gun to school and shoot you because they hate you. Anyone that plays computer games, or goes paintballing is evil too. We should just round up all these black-wearing, computer-gaming, rock-listening people and put them in jail. We don't need a trial. They must be bad, or they wouldn't be doing all these things. Normal teenagers aren't rebellious. Normal teenagers don't do bad things. It's only these people who wear black that are a threat. So remember children, if you see anybody wearing black tell the police so they can arrest them and take them away so they pose no threat to our otherwise perfect society. - -j ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 01:41:18 -0500 From: "Anfrey Cheng" Subject: NPR but important Hey there fellow Psychos..... uhm.. it's 1:39am Central time here and well i need a favor from you AP insomniacs that are up right now cuz i have a speech to give at 7:30am (soon) and i have no idea what to do it on. It has to be persuassive and last 7-8 mins long. Pleaze help me out here... Anfrey - --- Anfrey Cheng anfrey@purdue.edu anfrey@ieee.org http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~cheng3/ 765.495.2277.x2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:46:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: Kids... My (aged) 2 pennies... SIDEBAR - Peeez to D APs... *** 10 years after my high school graduation... If I could have stated that this degree of violence would occur at school, I would be lost. *** Is your vision not stronger than other people's taunts? Life doesn't get any easier... It makes me wonder why people don't laugh at themselves more. MEANING: If you're mental vision is of vengence, you have already lost the battle. Don't give up your PoWeR... Make your FRIENDS laugh, at the expense of the person that JUST PISSED YOU OFF... Laugh at yourself. A gun? JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation elpresidente@cyberfan.com Web Development - Merchandise - Fanbase Management Call/Email for Details 602-867-0007 - http://home.cyberfan.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:00:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: Re: NPR but important Offering... *** A persuasive speech on the necessity of the media (coming from the media's point of view) to build conclusions and point fingers The reason is to be first and to be noticed. Much kids that shoot kids... Look at me... Well the media must do that to survive. Being a child of the media biz, I can tell you why I quit... (Tangent... hahaha) To focus my thoughts... Media must draw the conclusion for the public. We have a lot of beer drinking, T.V. consuming parents. Not in touch. Not communicating... We even put fucking T.V.s in sport utility vehicles. Anything to distract parents from talking to their children. It is the medias job, as I see your speech going, to build a strong conclusion for the masses, But often fail. All to be noticed... Higher ratings... Look at me... Marilyn manson made them do it... Look at him... *** Regardless, speak from your wisdom, grow from your thoughts and make sure to make eye contact with the entire room. You will get an A! JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation elpresidente@cyberfan.com Web Development - Merchandise - Fanbase Management Call/Email for Details 602-867-0007 - http://home.cyberfan.com On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Anfrey Cheng wrote: > > Hey there fellow Psychos..... uhm.. it's 1:39am Central time here and well i > need a favor from you AP insomniacs that are up right now cuz i have a > speech to give at 7:30am (soon) and i have no idea what to do it on. It has > to be persuassive and last 7-8 mins long. Pleaze help me out here... > > Anfrey > --- > Anfrey Cheng > anfrey@purdue.edu > anfrey@ieee.org > http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~cheng3/ > 765.495.2277.x2 > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 05:45:30 EDT From: Camesegal@aol.com Subject: Re: Kids <<>> Strange, I seem to match most of that criteria too... (except for Natural Born Killers, I have something against Woody Harrelson, and I've never heard of KMFDM. and i live nowhere near Georgia, lol) I love Rammstein and Manson's music, though not him as a person, play D&D every chance I get, wear black and occasionally makeup, like wargames, and am a total outcast in my town. Thank god I don't own a trenchcoat, or I might begin to think I was evil. If I was to go on a shooting rampage, the schools would be safe. It would be the bastards in the newsrooms who would have to worry. Do these reporters not realize that what they are doing is exactly what was done to these kids in their school? They are targeting a group of "outcasts" and making them a victim of all this nonsense. If something should happen, I hope they're not too surprised. But then again, I think they'd be surprised by anything above the Barney, hug-yourself mentality. Being different, or supposedly evil, or morbid doesn't make me go on shooting rampages. Music will never have the influence the media claims, and neither will movies. Different people are influenced by different things, but I think its time the media understood that they play a huge role in it, far larger than anything else on TV or in the CD player. How can they bombard someone with the useless crap and sensationalism that they portray every day, glorifying violence and bloodshed, and then try to shift the blame on to someone else? Shakespeare had it wrong. Forget the lawyers, first kill all the reporters. sammael - Camesegal@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/3242/ Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down... Oh, and I happen to live a few miles from the Aryan Nation national headquarters. I can't stand them, have never even seen the compound, but I must be guilty by association. Thank god we live in such a freedom loving and democratic country. If we didn't have TV, we wouldn't know who to hate. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:08:32 PDT From: "Tiffany Berg" Subject: Re: Kids but someone >wearing a swastika the swastika is actually a sign for "good luck" before Hilter perverted it for his own purposes. Tiff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AOL Screen name: Si1verf1y +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Carpe Diem Baby!!" -Metallica ******************************************* Wow, it's not hard!! ... I mean your hair. - --T.K.B.-- _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:52:02 -0500 From: Brilee Subject: NPR: More nonsense I was getting ready for work this morning and heard on GMA that the studio is recalling copies of "Basketball Diaries". Some huh? Have you all seen this movie - they are missing the point. Granted, I saw it a couple of years ago and didn't memorize it, but from what I remember, it is based on a real person (Jim Carroll) and his struggle with drugs. The movie didn't glamorize drugs, or the life he lead while he was using them. *laughing out of frustration* He was a screwed up kid with a heinous drug problem...the kids who use this movie as a model for their actions already have something in mind. If this movie weren't out they would find another to use as a pattern. Is Hollywood going to recall all violent movies? Not likely. I just have to step back and chuckle that people consistently react to these tragedies in the wrong ways. Brilee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:48:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Rebecca Lynn Clark Subject: Re: Kids Actually the swastika is a form of the Christian cross Hitler used it to symbolize the "christian values" he believed the world should follow. I had to do a report on Swastika's for my confirmation class when i was 12. Did anyone also know that the car that has come to symbolize peace and love, the classic VW Beetle, was designed by Hitler. He designed it and said that he wanted the car to carry his memory. Thank God it didn't. =0P Rebecca Clark ACRN 99.3 caFM, Traffic Director Office: (740) 593-4909 Poetry page: http://www.pathetic.org/member-works.cgi?siteid=876026929 - -"Perfect Love is the most beautiful of all frustrations because it is more than one can express" -Charlie Chaplin - -"Down in their hearts, wise men know this truth: the only way to help yourself is to help others" -Elbert Hubbard help give to RAINN: http://www.eyegive.com/html/ssi.cfm?cid=103&mid=7856 IT COSTS YOU NOTHING BUT A FEW SECONDS OF TIME! On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Tiffany Berg wrote: > > but > > someone > >wearing a swastika > > the swastika is actually a sign for "good luck" before Hilter > perverted it for his own purposes. > > Tiff > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > AOL Screen name: Si1verf1y > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > "Carpe Diem Baby!!" -Metallica > > ******************************************* > Wow, it's not hard!! ... I mean your hair. > --T.K.B.-- > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:59:31 -0400 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: Re: Kids At 06:08 AM 4/23/99 -0700, Tiffany Berg wrote: > > but > >someone >>wearing a swastika > >the swastika is actually a sign for "good luck" before Hilter >perverted it for his own purposes. > >Tiff >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >AOL Screen name: Si1verf1y >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >"Carpe Diem Baby!!" -Metallica > >******************************************* >Wow, it's not hard!! ... I mean your hair. >--T.K.B.-- Whilst my mind contemplates the occurences in Colorado, and I do not yet know what to make of them or how to express myself....the swastika used by Hitler was a reversal of an old Buddhist symbol which you can find on the foreheads of many Buddhist statues. Also, I'm thinking about putting up a webpage on my site with people's emails, because people seem to be able to explain the way I feel much better than I can. If you've posted an email under this thread (Re: Kids) and would rather me not post your email on a webpage, please email me privately. I've been there, but I'll never do that. Ed ed@poe.org ICQ: 15667748 AIM: ied33i http://divinity.relic.net http://divinity.relic.net:8000 <--tune in with Winamp to hear me http://www.camarades.com/~924157479/ <-- my webcam.. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:23:38 PDT From: "Tiffany Berg" Subject: Re: Kids However, in the Wiccan religion, it is a sign for good luck. i have never heard it refered to in the christian religion, even in confirmation class. or maybe i just forgot, in any case, that wasn't my point, my point was that Swastika's were not originally meant for a bad purpose and some people today still don't take it as such. If those boys out in Colorado drew swastika's, before coming to conclusions, maybe we should know their definitions of what the sign meant to them. but i guess that opportunity is lost. >Actually the swastika is a form of the Christian cross >Hitler used it to symbolize the "christian values" he believed the world >should follow. >I had to do a report on Swastika's for my confirmation class when i was >12. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 15:00:44 EDT From: "Pegasus@poe.org" Subject: Re: NPR: More nonsense/Basketball Diaries > > > I was getting ready for work this morning and heard on GMA that the studio > is recalling copies of "Basketball Diaries". > Some huh? Have you all seen this movie - they are missing the point. > Granted, I saw it a couple of years ago and didn't memorize it, but from > what I remember, it is based on a real person (Jim Carroll) and his > struggle with drugs. The movie didn't glamorize drugs, or the life he lead > while he was using them. I thought it was a gripping movie. Only Leonardo D movie that I enjoyed watching, too. Anyhow, I recall something about when he first was going to try heroin and the dealer told him something like this: "If your going to snort it, you might as well smoke it. If you're going to smoke it, you might as well shoot up." I've seen lives destroyed by heroin and sure enough, some accounts started just like that. I don't condone the use, etc.. your life is your own. Just think tho, what you do can and will affect many other lives, in more ways than you can ever imagine. My $0.02 Jason - -- Grok? pegasus@poe.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:11:37 EDT From: RicksGrrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Doom, music, Basketball Diaries, etc. I have to agree with what most of you have been talking about. When something like this happens, people have to find something or someone to blame. It's just human nature. For something like to happen with no reason makes people realize that it could happen to them. Personally, I don't really care for Marilyn Manson's music (Although I just found out that one of my old "conservative" friends is in one of Manson's videos dressed as a girl!). Doom is an old game--and we all know that there are much more violent games out there right now. The same goes for movies. If we all went back to a censored society like they had in the 50's, we'd just be more repressed. There's really no way anyone can win in a situation like this. It's easy to blame the music, the movies, and the video games because the people doing so aren't familiar with them. It's easier than blaming something they know about: like parenting. Sorry this sounded like a school paper. :) I just wrote a management report so I'm just in that mode. That was probably more like my four cents. - -Michele ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:30:12 EDT From: PyroShwee@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: More nonsense/Basketball Diaries Drugs are not the reason they are bringing up "The Basketball Diaries" Thats one of my favourite movies, and if you've seen it you might recall the scene where Jim (leo) is dreaming in class.. He dreams that he comes into the classroom and shoots everyone in his class and his teacher with a really big gun, and he is also wearing a long black trenchcoat.. It is shockingly similar to what happened at Columbine the other day... thats the reason.. not the drugs in it. Ashley pyroshwee@aol.com In a message dated 4/23/99 3:01:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, s0jmcraw@atlas.vcu.edu writes: << > I was getting ready for work this morning and heard on GMA that the studio > is recalling copies of "Basketball Diaries". > Some huh? Have you all seen this movie - they are missing the point. > Granted, I saw it a couple of years ago and didn't memorize it, but from > what I remember, it is based on a real person (Jim Carroll) and his > struggle with drugs. The movie didn't glamorize drugs, or the life he lead > while he was using them. I thought it was a gripping movie. Only Leonardo D movie that I enjoyed watching, too. Anyhow, I recall something about when he first was going to try heroin and the dealer told him something like this: "If your going to snort it, you might as well smoke it. If you're going to smoke it, you might as well shoot up." I've seen lives destroyed by heroin and sure enough, some accounts started just like that. I don't condone the use, etc.. your life is your own. Just think tho, what you do can and will affect many other lives, in more ways than you can ever imagine. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:31:42 EDT From: PyroShwee@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: More nonsense/Basketball Diaries In a message dated 4/23/99 3:01:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, s0jmcraw@atlas.vcu.edu writes: << "If your going to snort it, you might as well smoke it. If you're going to smoke it, you might as well shoot up." >> btw it was "you might as well main line it" instead of shoot up :) ashley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:37:42 -0500 From: Jason Capriotti Subject: NPR: RE: Kids Regarding the mixing of ammonia and bleach, my first thought after reading that was that someone on this list who didn't already know that before, will try it now. So if you do, DO IT OUTSIDE. And DO NOT try and see what chlorine smells like. Jason caps@poe.org > -----Original Message----- > From: KrodKnid@aol.com [mailto:KrodKnid@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 9:48 PM > To: CrzyDimund@aol.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Kids > > > > In a message dated 4/22/99 7:26:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > CrzyDimund@aol.com writes: > > << So now they want to take away guns, maybe even get guards > and metal > detectors in schools. Not to be morbid, but if I wanted to > kill someone, I > sure as hell would find another way. > >> > No s**t..........if you mix common houshold ammonia with > chlorine bleach you > get chlorine gas,which is so lethal and horrific it was > banned after seeing > much use in WW1(it,along with mustard gas, is the reason gas > masks were > invented).A few housewives croak by accdident from this stuff every > year...........mopping the floor with straight ammonia and > decide they need a > little bleach to bring the colors out:-)A couple good whiffs > and the insides > of their lungs are toast.Gaaaacccckkkkk!!!! Also,propane > bombs are real easy > to make and detonate. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:41:55 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: RE: Kids In a message dated 4/23/99 3:40:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JCapriotti@directs.com writes: << Regarding the mixing of ammonia and bleach, my first thought after reading that was that someone on this list who didn't already know that before, will try it now. So if you do, DO IT OUTSIDE. And DO NOT try and see what chlorine smells like. >> You got that right!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:23:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Shanna Hollich Subject: Re: Kids *NPR* - ---UlfDahlen@aol.com wrote: > > Now, for what I really wanted to write about. The precautions some schools, > including mine, have decided to take are rediculous! There were police > officers lining the hallways yesterday and today, making anyone wearing the > colour black or any type of trench coat or long coat go to the dean's office, > where they were forced to call parents to bring them clothes of a different > colour. Just a quick note commenting on the severity of such precautions. When I was in elementary school, I wore nothing but black stretch pants (I hated jeans) and shirts that came to my knees. (They were comfortable.) Today I wore a plain black t-shirt because I was mourning the death of a coworker (not Colorado related). I hate to think that I could be yanked out of the hall and taken to the office simply because I choose to wear the color black. Black happens to be my favorite color, does this make me some sort of 'freak'? I certainly don't think so. While I'm here, the whole "I listen to Marilyn Manson and now I have suicidal/homicidal tendencies" thing. I have an extremely eclectic taste in music, everything from Mahler to Metallica. Yes, I listen to bands like Metallica and Aerosmith. I even listen to a little Bone Thugs-N-Harmony every once in a while (though I would never buy a CD of theirs...too many other, better CD's to buy). Ever since I was little, I liked to play fighting games like Mortal Kombat and Killer Instinct. Right now one of my favorite video games is Resident Evil. (I have two older brothers who influenced me in that aspect a lot, heh.) I had an extremely f**ked up childhood, filled with abuse, and to this day am still suffering from psychological abuse. From the ages of 4-10 I was a drug addict and a gang member. But NEVER did I even THINK of killing another human being. I knew that was wrong. I did ponder, and even attempted, suicide quite a few times, but I simply didn't have the guts to do it. I have been intelligently gifted (IQ somewhere in the 150's) and have possessed logic, common sense, and street smarts practically since I was born. And now I consider myself a well-adjusted teenager. I'm still a bit manic-depressive, but am getting better. But the point, I guess, would be this: every choice I made I made by myself, fully knowing what the consequences would be. I didn't listen to a song one day and think, "Oh, okay, I just listened to this song so now I'm going to commit suicide." Killing someone is a conscious decision you make, a song or video game cannot make that decision for you. (And, since most of you probably quit reading somewhere after the first line, :P, a quick note about suicide: I can't speak for everyone here, I can only speak for myself and those I know personally. But most people don't commit suicide because they want to kill themselves. All they're looking for is a way to relieve the PAIN. The believe that they've run out of options. The pain is so unbearable, so out-of-control, and they don't know where to turn. The only way they see to end that pain is to end their life. Which is why people (especially Christians) who say "Oh, that person attempted/committed suicide so they are such a horrible person and probably deserved to die and rot in Hell anyway," really piss me off. You should not condemn people, you should try to help them.) Okay, I completely went off rambling in my own little world there, but if anyone has any questions or would like some more information from me, feel free to ask. == Shanna Hollich - Shadow123@poe.org Yahoo Pager: Shadow123 AOL IM: RHFoJo ICQ UIN: 26674614 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:22:23 -0400 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: Re: NPR: More nonsense/Basketball Diaries At 03:30 PM 4/23/99 -0400, PyroShwee@aol.com wrote: > > Drugs are not the reason they are bringing up "The Basketball Diaries" >Thats one of my favourite movies, and if you've seen it you might recall the >scene where Jim (leo) is dreaming in class.. He dreams that he comes into the >classroom and shoots everyone in his class and his teacher with a really big >gun, and he is also wearing a long black trenchcoat.. It is shockingly >similar to what happened at Columbine the other day... thats the reason.. >not the drugs in it. > >Ashley >pyroshwee@aol.com > Anyone else notice a similarity between the description of the occurrence and the one scene in The Matrix where Keanu and Trinity bust through security? That was the first image that came to mind when I turned on the tv about a half hour after it went down.. I think scenes like that in The BAsketball Diaries should not be censored. I've never seen that movie (and never knew it was ash's favorite.. *Shrug*) but from what I gather that scene reflected the way the kid felt and the feelings of people these days need to be recognized. The teenage angst is growing steadily in our country, and before long the shit is going to hit the fan. Ed ed@poe.org ICQ: 15667748 AIM: ied33i http://divinity.relic.net http://divinity.relic.net:8000 <--tune in with Winamp to hear me http://www.camarades.com/~924157479/ <-- my webcam.. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:25:22 EDT From: PyroShwee@aol.com Subject: Re: Kids Seeing as how those guys did this massacre on Hitler's birthday, I think the question has already been answered. Ashley pyroshwee@aol.com In a message dated 4/23/99 12:24:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, si1verf1y@hotmail.com writes: << my point was that Swastika's were not originally meant for a bad purpose and some people today still don't take it as such. If those boys out in Colorado drew swastika's, before coming to conclusions, maybe we should know their definitions of what the sign meant to them. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:34:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: Re: Kids And if I am not mistaken, which is known to happen. Hitler reversed the swastika...?... JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation elpresidente@cyberfan.com Web Development - Merchandise - Fanbase Management Call/Email for Details 602-867-0007 - http://home.cyberfan.com On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Tiffany Berg wrote: > > but > > someone > >wearing a swastika > > the swastika is actually a sign for "good luck" before Hilter > perverted it for his own purposes. > > Tiff > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > AOL Screen name: Si1verf1y > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > "Carpe Diem Baby!!" -Metallica > > ******************************************* > Wow, it's not hard!! ... I mean your hair. > --T.K.B.-- > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:37:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: Ed is the man... hahaha - - I just read your answer, my comment is now moot. JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation elpresidente@cyberfan.com Web Development - Merchandise - Fanbase Management Call/Email for Details 602-867-0007 - http://home.cyberfan.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:42:07 -0400 From: "Kelly Lesperance" Subject: Re: Kids How can you jump to such conclusions without knowing more about them? For all we know, they had no idea it was Hitler's birthday... > Seeing as how those guys did this massacre on Hitler's birthday, I think > the question has already been answered. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:58:20 PDT From: "Amish Stripper Spice" Subject: Re: late night rant > >So what have we learned today boys and girls? > >That's right, fear and mistrust anyone who's different. >Marilyn Manson... rock music. Anyone.. evil.. threat. So remember children, if you see anybody wearing black >tell the police so they can arrest them and take them away so they pose no >threat to our otherwise perfect society. >-j >.......Jeff, and all, They (the majority)cant arrest and jail the different minority without a trial...YET. First they have to remove our means of defense from tyranny ...GUNS. After they take our guns in order to save the kiddies,then they will be able to do with us as they please,with no resistance ofered. Betcha after the guns are gone they will find it quite easy to outlaw such cultural enrichment as Marilyn Manson - or arrest people for their looks (heh-ask any Negro you happen to see)I for one wont miss MM,but the thought sends spicy chills down my spicy spine.That chick POE glorifies guns and violence too-Yer OUTTA here! The intent of the Second Amendment (and the fucking NRA,to quote) was not to insure my ability to blow away chipmunks with my Browning automatic rifle-it is to insure my ability to fight tyranny.Remember those guys dumping tea in Boston Harbor?Nathan Hale?Benedict Arnold? I didnt think so,because what THEY teach you in "History" class nowadays is revisionist multicultural claptrap. The Second Amendmendment has many opponents who claim it only pertains to state National Guards,like we need the National guard to 'protect' us. I now take the liberty of paraphrasing the Second Amendment: " A well regulated 'Volunteer Fire Department' being necessary to the Fire security of a Free State , the right of the people to keep and bear 'Fire Extinguishers' shall not be infringed" The Second Amendment is joined by nine others ,collectively known as the Bill of Rights. You cannot take away ANY of them without endangering the rest of them. Free Speech anybody?Due Process? Self incrimination? etc..etc. I subscribe to two newspapers.The 'conservative' one blames Hollywood for pumping out filth and degradation for the Colorado massacre. the 'liberal' one blames Charlton Heston. Hey , did anyone see the Omega man? Great movie! Point is ,the only two to blame have already killed themselves.But that wont stop politicians bent on removing YOUR rights from furthering their agendas while shamelessly hiding behind thirteen dead kids and a dead teacher. While we obsess on this and on next week's scandal,they are talking about escalating the illegal war in Europe.Kiddies,can any of you give me a five letter word for "Compulsory Military Service"? Hint: it starts with a 'D'. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:42:41 -0500 From: Jason Capriotti Subject: RE: NPR: More nonsense/Basketball Diaries My two cents: People should know what is right and wrong. Movies are simply entertainment. When I was in high school, myself and a group of four friends decided it would be fun to take over the school. So we formed a group called the Bradford Committee. We even made some plans as to how it would go down (either during an assembly, since everyone's in the fieldhouse, or 3rd hour). Anyway, my point is, is that it was fake. We had no intention whatsoever to do it. We were losers or something, so we needed something to keep us busy. None of us were or are that psychotic to do something like that. Basically, we were entertained by the fantasy of going against authority in a big way, just as movies also entertain us. If you are a Loveline fan like I am, you may agree with me that its not things like songs or movies that make one do something, its how they were raised (this from a guy who has Pulp Fiction memorized). Jason caps@poe.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Hunsinger [mailto:hunsin_e@cc.denison.edu] > Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 4:22 PM > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Re: NPR: More nonsense/Basketball Diaries > > > > At 03:30 PM 4/23/99 -0400, PyroShwee@aol.com wrote: > > > > Drugs are not the reason they are bringing up "The > Basketball Diaries" > >Thats one of my favourite movies, and if you've seen it you > might recall the > >scene where Jim (leo) is dreaming in class.. He dreams that > he comes into the > >classroom and shoots everyone in his class and his teacher > with a really big > >gun, and he is also wearing a long black trenchcoat.. It is > shockingly > >similar to what happened at Columbine the other day... thats > the reason.. > >not the drugs in it. > > > >Ashley > >pyroshwee@aol.com > > > > Anyone else notice a similarity between the description of > the occurrence > and the one scene in The Matrix where Keanu and Trinity bust through > security? That was the first image that came to mind when I > turned on the > tv about a half hour after it went down.. I think scenes > like that in The > BAsketball Diaries should not be censored. I've never seen > that movie (and > never knew it was ash's favorite.. *Shrug*) but from what I > gather that > scene reflected the way the kid felt and the feelings of > people these days > need to be recognized. The teenage angst is growing steadily in our > country, and before long the shit is going to hit the fan. > > > Ed > ed@poe.org > ICQ: 15667748 > AIM: ied33i > http://divinity.relic.net > http://divinity.relic.net:8000 <--tune in with Winamp to hear me > http://www.camarades.com/~924157479/ <-- my webcam.. :) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:46:44 PDT From: "Tiffany Berg" Subject: Re: Kids > Seeing as how those guys did this massacre on Hitler's birthday, I think >the question has already been answered. I know but ><< my point was that Swastika's were not originally meant for a > bad purpose and some people today still don't take it as such. and i think people should know that and not think automatically "oh, the whole problem is with the Swastika, because it's evil" and i think people need to understand the original meaning as well as the Hitler meaning of it. People need to know all sides. but like black trenchcoats and black clothes and stuff like that, everything that is being associated with this tragedy is being twisted around into a BIG panic. I love trenchcoats, and eyemakeup, +nailpolish on a guy sometimes, it doesn't make them evil in my eyes. it's just the way that they express themselves. People need to KNOW someone before they start judging them, and don't judge someone who looks like them, you never know, they could actually be the nicest sweetest people that u will ever meet. My 2 cents, sorry if it seems like argumentive but this stuff about racism, and other related things really ticks me off. it's sad, people shouldn't do that. i just think that most of the "connections" that they are associating w/ this tradegy has little /if nothing to do with it. i don't know, i guess i'm just sick of hearing about people getting suspended for wearing black clothes and stuff like that since this happened. if anything i said upsets anyone for some reason, my DEEP apologies Blessed be, Tiff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AOL Screen name: Si1verf1y +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Carpe Diem Baby!!" -Metallica ******************************************* Wow, it's not hard!! ... I mean your hair. - --T.K.B.-- _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:56:32 PDT From: "Tiffany Berg" Subject: Re:kids an excerpt from "Wicca Craft" by Gerina Dunwich pg.45... "The Swastika is an ancient religious symbol fromed by a Greek cross with the arms bent at right angles in EITHER a clockwise OR counterclockwise direction. Before being adopted and perverted in 1935 as the infamous official emblem of Nazi Germany, the Swastika was a sacred symbol of good luck and health in pre-Christian Europe and in many other Pagan cultures around the world...The word "swastika" stems from the Sanskrit svastika meaning "a sign of good luck." There are over 1,200 known swastika designs, and the oldest one dates back to the year 12000 BC." just relaying the info that i received of the symbol. Thanks, Tiff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AOL Screen name: Si1verf1y +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Carpe Diem Baby!!" -Metallica ******************************************* Wow, it's not hard!! ... I mean your hair. - --T.K.B.-- _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:14:32 EDT From: UlfDahlen@aol.com Subject: Re: Kids Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough, although I thought I did. I do care about what happened at the school in Colorado, and I feel horrible for the families and friends of anyone that were affected by it. I too was affected by it indirectly, one of my best friends live in Littleton, but goes to the other highschool there, which is about 5 minutes away. At first report of the news, I was sick and broken down because I didn't know if anything had happened to him. (This was before I heard the name of the highschool.) The news bothered my very much so, even when I found out that my friend was safe. Littleton, Colorado is very much like the town I live in. It could happen anywhere. I was brought to tears watching kids escaping the school, I was brought to tears the next morning watching an interview with a boy that went to the school whose sister was killed, and a father whose son was killed. That tore my heart out, and if it did that to me, I can't even begin to imagine what it must feel like to have been a student going to that school, a relative of one, a parent... first, the uncertainty of whether your child's safe, or whether your child could be dead. Then, the conformation, but even if one's child is safe, things aren't going to be the same. Would you want to send the child back to that school at all? And if something happened to one's child, I don't even have to go into how that would be.. and i am not willing to fathom that. And on the issue of the school's security, if there were people in my school going around shooting people, and if i had a gun to my head, I wouldn't really give a damn if my friend was wearing a silver ball-chain necklace. If they have to check everyone wearing black, why don't they just check everyone? A football player can't hide small explosives in his Varsity jacket pocket? When I'm laying in a pool of blood after my friends that are wearing black and I have been thoroughly checked and frisked before going to class, I'll ask why people were so blind to the fact that we weren't the only ones that could ever doing anything. And, by the way, in referring to my friend as a victim, I was not compairing him to those that were killed. He's alive, he's physically well, and I'm rather happy that that is the case. However, there are more than one type of victim. Realize that. Furthermore, I strongly disagree that forbidding people to wear certain clothes is making sure that everything is okay. First off, I said "seemingly normal." Many, MANY killers have been "seemingly normal." You see it all the time when a murder occurs. "Oh, he/she was a nice/guy girl. Quiet, always very polite, it never occured to me that he/she would do anything like this." You can't say that that never happens... I've seen that happen much more frequently than with people who listen to bands like the Cure, Mephisto Walz or Sisters of Mercy! The thing that I would like to clear up most of all is this. IN NO WAY DO I BELIEVE THAT WHAT THE KIDS IN COLORADO DID WAS RIGHT. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR EXCUSES FOR THEM, NOR DO I BELIEVE THAT THEY COME CLOSE TO DESERVING AN EXCUSE. What they did was selfish, and I personally think it was WRONG. (I never use the word wrong, because I feel it is undefined. People feel differently about what is right or wrong, but if there is something that I feel is wrong, it is this.) However, I do not think it is right to take it out on people who resemble the killers by a color they were wearing. Alexa ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V4 #103 ***********************************