From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V3 #360 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, December 19 1998 Volume 03 : Number 360 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NPR: hello? [Di ] december holydays - make that an npr ["Sad Alcoholic Clown" ] Back [John Beadle ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:36:44 -0800 From: Di Subject: NPR: hello? hello? Is the list dead or something because I haven't had ne mail from the APs for what seems like forever. Well to everybody who celebrates the holidays, have a fun. And to those who don't but still get breaks from school (if you're in school), have fun too. And to those who don't get breaks from school, I hope you have fun anyway. Di ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:10:35 PST From: "Sad Alcoholic Clown" Subject: december holydays - make that an npr around the middle and end of this supposed-to-be tenth monthe of the year, i find myself more than just a little put off by all the pageantry of religious holy days swirling around us. the christians have the mass of christ, the jews have chanukah, the muslims have ramahdan (sp?), but i cry out, what alternatives does an atheist have? what alternative to the worship of gross materialism and shallow commercialism called christmas? atheists have nothing sacred to cherish this month. most non-believers would like to conform to the voices within their consciences, that they would like to abide to a certain moral code opposing the rampant materialism so oft-associated with christmas. the alternative within this option is to fully embrace and take advantage of the vapidity of the overall commercialism. i find myself thinking that i will graciously accept any gift offered me, and without guilt offer none in return. this coming from a relatively generic atheist who strongly believes in spirituality. besides, what is the point of gift giving nowadays? in my circle, we ask one another what we want and then buy it for him/her. i simply propose we eliminate this quasi-middleman and buy for ourselves. all the goodness of gift giving has evaporated here. even though surrounding religions do not necessarily correspond with my personal philosophy, the latter can feed off on the former's spiritual essence. to all those who have desecrated all that is good during this holy day with thoughts of furbies and necessities to get everyone something they'll like, a bid you a merry christmas and happy chanukah. - -sad alcoholic clown Visit my site at http://members.tripod.com/~Mettic/front.html If you like elitist opinions, this is the place! "The Great Man is colder, harder, less hesitating, and without fear of 'opinion'; he lacks the virtues that accompany respect and 'respectability,' and altogether everything that is the 'virtue of the herd.' If he cannot lead, he goes alone. He knows that he is incommunicable: he finds it tasteless to be familiar. There is a solitude within him that is inaccessible to praise or blame." - Nietzsche, "Will to Power" "In dreaming, the clouds methought would open and show me riches ready to drop upon me, that, when i waked, i cried to dream again." - Caliban, "The Tempest" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:10:42 PST From: "Sad Alcoholic Clown" Subject: december holydays - make that an npr around the middle and end of this supposed-to-be tenth monthe of the year, i find myself more than just a little put off by all the pageantry of religious holy days swirling around us. the christians have the mass of christ, the jews have chanukah, the muslims have ramahdan (sp?), but i cry out, what alternatives does an atheist have? what alternative to the worship of gross materialism and shallow commercialism called christmas? atheists have nothing sacred to cherish this month. most non-believers would like to conform to the voices within their consciences, that they would like to abide to a certain moral code opposing the rampant materialism so oft-associated with christmas. the alternative within this option is to fully embrace and take advantage of the vapidity of the overall commercialism. i find myself thinking that i will graciously accept any gift offered me, and without guilt offer none in return. this coming from a relatively generic atheist who strongly believes in spirituality. besides, what is the point of gift giving nowadays? in my circle, we ask one another what we want and then buy it for him/her. i simply propose we eliminate this quasi-middleman and buy for ourselves. all the goodness of gift giving has evaporated here. even though surrounding religions do not necessarily correspond with my personal philosophy, the latter can feed off on the former's spiritual essence. to all those who have desecrated all that is good during this holy day with thoughts of furbies and necessities to get everyone something they'll like, a bid you a merry christmas and happy chanukah. - -sad alcoholic clown Visit my site at http://members.tripod.com/~Mettic/front.html If you like elitist opinions, this is the place! "The Great Man is colder, harder, less hesitating, and without fear of 'opinion'; he lacks the virtues that accompany respect and 'respectability,' and altogether everything that is the 'virtue of the herd.' If he cannot lead, he goes alone. He knows that he is incommunicable: he finds it tasteless to be familiar. There is a solitude within him that is inaccessible to praise or blame." - Nietzsche, "Will to Power" "In dreaming, the clouds methought would open and show me riches ready to drop upon me, that, when i waked, i cried to dream again." - Caliban, "The Tempest" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:01:58 -0500 (EST) From: steve Subject: Re: december holydays - make that an npr did we not go through this entire thread already a couple weeks ago? and isn't it odd that the atheists on this list preach more than anybody else? i dont care what religion you are. dont preach here. no one wants to hear it. bye:) steve ps -- for your info, ramadan is NOT a gift-giving holiday. it is not even roughly parallel to the christian christmas, besides the fact that it just happens to fall around the same time of year. On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Sad Alcoholic Clown wrote: > > around the middle and end of this supposed-to-be tenth monthe of the > year, i find myself more than just a little put off by all the pageantry > of religious holy days swirling around us. the christians have the mass > of christ, the jews have chanukah, the muslims have ramahdan (sp?), but > i cry out, what alternatives does an atheist have? what alternative to > the worship of gross materialism and shallow commercialism called > christmas? atheists have nothing sacred to cherish this month. most > non-believers would like to conform to the voices within their > consciences, that they would like to abide to a certain moral code > opposing the rampant materialism so oft-associated with christmas. the > alternative within this option is to fully embrace and take advantage of > the vapidity of the overall commercialism. i find myself thinking that i > will graciously accept any gift offered me, and without guilt offer none > in return. this coming from a relatively generic atheist who strongly > believes in spirituality. > besides, what is the point of gift giving nowadays? in my circle, we ask > one another what we want and then buy it for him/her. i simply propose > we eliminate this quasi-middleman and buy for ourselves. all the > goodness of gift giving has evaporated here. > even though surrounding religions do not necessarily correspond with my > personal philosophy, the latter can feed off on the former's spiritual > essence. to all those who have desecrated all that is good during this > holy day with thoughts of furbies and necessities to get everyone > something they'll like, a bid you a merry christmas and happy chanukah. > > -sad alcoholic clown > Visit my site at http://members.tripod.com/~Mettic/front.html > If you like elitist opinions, this is the place! > "The Great Man is colder, harder, less hesitating, and without fear of > 'opinion'; he lacks the virtues that accompany respect and > 'respectability,' and altogether everything that is the 'virtue of the > herd.' If he cannot lead, he goes alone. He knows that he is > incommunicable: he finds it tasteless to be familiar. There is a > solitude within him that is inaccessible to praise or blame." - > Nietzsche, "Will to Power" > "In dreaming, the clouds methought would open and show me riches ready > to drop upon me, that, when i waked, i cried to dream again." - Caliban, > "The Tempest" > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:03:23 -0600 From: John Beadle Subject: Back It's been a long ass time but I'm back. (has it been a year? The last time I was on the chat was 6 months ago and I had been off the list for quite some time at that point) So how's it going? - -Landon ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V3 #360 ***********************************