From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V3 #155 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, June 2 1998 Volume 03 : Number 155 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE:Tim Leary/Anti-DrugWar [sp00k@rinx.com] New POE discovery!!!?!!!! ["COBB,KYLE" ] Re: stupid move= stupid human surprise surprise ["Bill Holz" ] stupid movie = stupid thread [Michael Anderson ] By the way your puppy stinks. ["David Furlong" ] poe's new album title [Rebecca Lynn Clark ] Re: poe's new album title [Jarrod ] NPR What Starstrail said about me [Xeno11@aol.com] Date for new album? [shaun ] Re: Xeno11 [TORICOBAIN@aol.com] Re: stupid move= stupid human surprise surprise [TORICOBAIN@aol.com] NPR xeno's alzheimer's... [Starstrail@aol.com] Re: poe's new album title [VolcanoFem@aol.com] Re: poe's new album title [Jarrod ] SPICE [Goalygirl7@aol.com] SPICE - Thread - POE Related [Jarrod ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:23:14 -0500 From: sp00k@rinx.com Subject: RE:Tim Leary/Anti-DrugWar As some of you who have chatted with me mite know, I am absolutely frustrated with this never ending "Drug War" As with all wars, there are "victims". I am sad to think that I will never see democracy and freedom in this country as it should be, but instead will watch as our country continues to build an army that assults its own citizens in pursuit of an enemy with an ever changing face. More crime, cops, prisons, and drugs, they are all growth industries, with no end in sight, but for some people as in all "Wars" the war is a good thing, and for those who make money off of it, they would hate to see the "War" end. If users are "losers" why is this "War" more than 30 years old? http://www.legalize.org/global/ Visit the above site if you think the "Drug War" is realy a waste of resouces. This is not an endorsement for drug use, it is an endorsement of society getting a grip, and returning the streets to the "People" Sp00k@poe.org etc... ================================================================ FREE Rinx.com BBS [irc, chat, emails, and more] (716) 758-1000 for info, send mail to: sysop@rinx.com http://www.rinx.com Telnet IP: 198.70.60.183 /check it out/ =========================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:47:00 -0400 From: "COBB,KYLE" Subject: New POE discovery!!!?!!!! I am so incredibly psyched!!! I just got back from a record show and found a CD copy (an original and not a bootleg) of POE's Westwood One broadcast from 27 January 1997 . I haven't heard mention of this disc before so does this qualify as a new addition to the AP Discography archive!?! The show features 8 songs recorded live from the Whiskey in Hollywood during 1996! Featured song include: That Day Choking The Cherry Hello Fly Away Dolphin Beautiful Girl Angry Johnny Trigger Happy Jack The entire disc is incredible. Sorry to gloat but I am still turning flips. Now I can have POE live with me all the time... PAX, KyL KyL Cobb __________________________________________________________________________ mailto:kcobb@lawco.com at LAW mailto:KyL@poe.org because I'm POE and I'm proud... mailto:kyl_the_paladin@hotmail.com (or if you need to reach me when I'm in Europe) Visit my personal Web site at http://www.geocities.com/athens/delphi/8442/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:52:44 -0500 From: "Bill Holz" Subject: Re: stupid move= stupid human surprise surprise How insanely silly. Of course animals aren't 'innocent' in that they do indeed kill other animals to survive. However most ARE more innocent than we humans in many ways. Only Ants and Humans engage in war. Only a tiny minority of species' will harm one of their own kind, and almost none will kill a member of their own species. It's absolutely rediciulous to say that 'we are no different from animals'. We ARE different, and we have plenty of beauty in our world, and plenty of horror. We're the only species to invent recorded music, the only one with as detaied art as we have. We're also the only species that regularly engages in genocide and the only one capable of making a noticble impact on the world we live in. Bluntly put, we're no longer 'part of nature'. We no longer are part of 'survival of the fittest'. - -Bill >In a message dated 5/31/98 4:35:59 PM EST, Jillsobule@aol.com writes: > >> do no spiteful harm to any other animal > > >are you actually serious love? how do you conclude that animals survive? let >me explain to you that a lion is not eating grass. if you're going to embrace >apathy towards one species, embrace apathy towards them all. > >another point-do you believe that all humans are greedy and bent on destroying >the environment? i kinda doubt that everyone is like that. so...you are saying >we shouldn't care if someone in a movie dies because humans are greedy animals >anyway that don't deserve to live because they are ruthless and greedy. now, >by that logic, why have you not killed yourself already? > >too many people try to say that humans are different than animals. we all have >the same carnal instincts and we all do what it takes to survive. don't try to >say that all animals are puppy dogs dear, because the grizzly bear doesn't sit >when you tell it. (even if you pull on the leash) > >you tell people to kill the child molestors and serial killers. this doesn't >make too much sense if you analyze it. if you decide to kill serial killers to >become a serial killer. you also must realize that not all humans are serial >killers or child molestors. :::raises hand::: i myself have never engaged in >either. you are insulting my species and i am taking personal offense. >apologize to my entire species. > >(a dog bit me in the leg one time because i walked too close to it. i think >that was kinda spiteful) > > > > -Xeno, leader of the >Red Storm > http://travel.to/xen >o/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:31:05 -0400 From: Jason Crute Subject: Re: stupid move= stupid human surprise surprise ok, am i hearing this correct? people are all that counts? what, were not part of nature now? are we gods??? hmmm, maybe that dog next door barking is actually praying to me? i doubt it. people are not the only ones who kill their own kind, and those who kill their own are not THAT far few and far between. Bill Holz wrote: > How insanely silly. > > Of course animals aren't 'innocent' in that they do indeed kill other > animals to survive. However most ARE more innocent than we humans in many > ways. Only Ants and Humans engage in war. Only a tiny minority of species' > will harm one of their own kind, and almost none will kill a member of their > own species. > > It's absolutely rediciulous to say that 'we are no different from animals'. > We ARE different, and we have plenty of beauty in our world, and plenty of > horror. We're the only species to invent recorded music, the only one with > as detaied art as we have. We're also the only species that regularly > engages in genocide and the only one capable of making a noticble impact on > the world we live in. Bluntly put, we're no longer 'part of nature'. We no > longer are part of 'survival of the fittest'. > > -Bill > > >In a message dated 5/31/98 4:35:59 PM EST, Jillsobule@aol.com writes: > > > >> do no spiteful harm to any other animal > > > > > >are you actually serious love? how do you conclude that animals survive? > let > >me explain to you that a lion is not eating grass. if you're going to > embrace > >apathy towards one species, embrace apathy towards them all. > > > >another point-do you believe that all humans are greedy and bent on > destroying > >the environment? i kinda doubt that everyone is like that. so...you are > saying > >we shouldn't care if someone in a movie dies because humans are greedy > animals > >anyway that don't deserve to live because they are ruthless and greedy. > now, > >by that logic, why have you not killed yourself already? > > > >too many people try to say that humans are different than animals. we all > have > >the same carnal instincts and we all do what it takes to survive. don't try > to > >say that all animals are puppy dogs dear, because the grizzly bear doesn't > sit > >when you tell it. (even if you pull on the leash) > > > >you tell people to kill the child molestors and serial killers. this > doesn't > >make too much sense if you analyze it. if you decide to kill serial killers > to > >become a serial killer. you also must realize that not all humans are > serial > >killers or child molestors. :::raises hand::: i myself have never engaged > in > >either. you are insulting my species and i am taking personal offense. > >apologize to my entire species. > > > >(a dog bit me in the leg one time because i walked too close to it. i think > >that was kinda spiteful) > > > > > > > > -Xeno, leader of > the > >Red Storm > > > http://travel.to/xen > >o/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:45:03 -0500 From: "Bill Holz" Subject: Re: stupid move= stupid human surprise surprise Umm. .that's almost the opposite of what I said! :) I basically was saying we're not 'part' of nature in many ways, so attempting to compare us in the way that's being done so frequently is silly. Yes, animals sometimes kill other animals, however almost invariably it's attached to survival in one manner or another. People generally don't require animals for survival, and therefore are less 'innocent' almost by definition. I think in a way I'm on your side, silly! - -Bill >ok, am i hearing this correct? people are all that counts? what, were not part >of nature now? are we gods??? hmmm, maybe that dog next door barking is >actually praying to me? i doubt it. people are not the only ones who kill their >own kind, and those who kill their own are not THAT far few and far between. > >Bill Holz wrote: > >> How insanely silly. >> >> Of course animals aren't 'innocent' in that they do indeed kill other >> animals to survive. However most ARE more innocent than we humans in many >> ways. Only Ants and Humans engage in war. Only a tiny minority of species' >> will harm one of their own kind, and almost none will kill a member of their >> own species. >> >> It's absolutely rediciulous to say that 'we are no different from animals'. >> We ARE different, and we have plenty of beauty in our world, and plenty of >> horror. We're the only species to invent recorded music, the only one with >> as detaied art as we have. We're also the only species that regularly >> engages in genocide and the only one capable of making a noticble impact on >> the world we live in. Bluntly put, we're no longer 'part of nature'. We no >> longer are part of 'survival of the fittest'. >> >> -Bill >> >> >In a message dated 5/31/98 4:35:59 PM EST, Jillsobule@aol.com writes: >> > >> >> do no spiteful harm to any other animal >> > >> > >> >are you actually serious love? how do you conclude that animals survive? >> let >> >me explain to you that a lion is not eating grass. if you're going to >> embrace >> >apathy towards one species, embrace apathy towards them all. >> > >> >another point-do you believe that all humans are greedy and bent on >> destroying >> >the environment? i kinda doubt that everyone is like that. so...you are >> saying >> >we shouldn't care if someone in a movie dies because humans are greedy >> animals >> >anyway that don't deserve to live because they are ruthless and greedy. >> now, >> >by that logic, why have you not killed yourself already? >> > >> >too many people try to say that humans are different than animals. we all >> have >> >the same carnal instincts and we all do what it takes to survive. don't try >> to >> >say that all animals are puppy dogs dear, because the grizzly bear doesn't >> sit >> >when you tell it. (even if you pull on the leash) >> > >> >you tell people to kill the child molestors and serial killers. this >> doesn't >> >make too much sense if you analyze it. if you decide to kill serial killers >> to >> >become a serial killer. you also must realize that not all humans are >> serial >> >killers or child molestors. :::raises hand::: i myself have never engaged >> in >> >either. you are insulting my species and i am taking personal offense. >> >apologize to my entire species. >> > >> >(a dog bit me in the leg one time because i walked too close to it. i think >> >that was kinda spiteful) >> > >> > >> > >> > -Xeno, leader of >> the >> >Red Storm >> > >> http://travel.to/xen >> >o/ >> > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:58:43 PDT From: "Choklit Cow" Subject: Re: Bi-p(*)e-lar You Go!!!!! about time that someone else besides *mystie* agrees with me!! (sigh) (blissful smile) wouldn't it be nice...... Aurora ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:49:25 -0500 From: Michael Anderson Subject: stupid movie = stupid thread I am extremely sorry that this has turned into such a huge thing. I feel largely responsible, and didn't mean to piss any one off. It seems weird that it is such a big thread, because it seems almost every one agrees but is arguing any way. It seems like we all agree that: 1. Human violence towards other humans is a horrible thing, and we (as a society, not all individuals) have become desensitized to this violence, and many times that is also a terrible thing. 2. Cruelty to animals is wrong, regardless of how animals treat each other in the wild. 3. Humans are animals, but that does not excuse us to act in a cruel manner. We are different than other animals, but that also does not excuse us to act in a cruel manner, or to think of ourselves as superior. Because we believe ourselves to be both different in our art and thoughts, but basically the same as animals, we should act with respect towards all living creatures regardless of what type of animal they are. I think all of us believe at least part of these things, even if we all have different orders for their importance. If some one thinks that human suffering is the most important issue, they should take action. They can work with groups that work to end torture like Amnesty international, or Citizens groups against violence in Hollywood instead of slamming the people that believe abuse of animals or the environment are the most important issues. And people that believe those issues can take action with groups supporting them. The only thing is taking action doesn't require a fight between them. You can take action to stop violence and take action to help animals and the environment. They do not contradict, and taking action on one should never constitute attacking the other. Doing so only hurts your own cause. If we agree on these things there probably is no need to argue, and I'm sorry this thing got out of hand. I just felt that there had been miscommunication from all sides, and I hope we can get along. We can not be a strong community if we hate each other or always fight. We need to be a strong community, especially as Poe releases Rise and Shine and her new album so that we can give her our support. Love to all of you, Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:04:43 PDT From: "David Furlong" Subject: By the way your puppy stinks. I have not checked my e-mail for a few days - had to go away - and I come back to find my first post to this list has generated a whole lot of "discusion". I sincerely apologize to anyone who took offence at my idea but I think you missed the point. I thank those of you who understood. I would especially like to thank Michael Anderson for being able to see both sides of the issue. I won't restate any opinions here but if someone would like to discuss this with me further just mail me back. Sorry all. David E Furlong Please don't take offence to the subject of this message. It is just something someone said. It really is dangerous what you post. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:55:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Rebecca Lynn Clark Subject: poe's new album title Okay, now I could be completely wrong here. I work at a Radio station here and We just got this "Encyclopedia of Modern Rock Artists" and it is one of the most detailed things I have ever seen. The weirdest part is as i was looking through it I found that certain cd's that were not out when the book was published were listed, such as Tori's newest album, the new Garbage cd, etc. So apparently the guy who wrote this thing did some major research via the record companies to find out the titles of the cd's...the newest cd's did not have any songs listed though because the songs were not decided on yet. Well, anyway, to the point. Under Poe it listed Hello and the songs released from it, etc. and then it also listed a cd named "Chain Letter" and I know she hasn't put out another album....so is that the title of the new album????? - -Becky =O) Poetry page: http://www.pathetic.org/member-works.cgi?siteid=876026929 Web site: http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~acrn/djs/psycho.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:50:16 -0700 (MST) From: Jarrod Subject: Re: poe's new album title > Well, anyway, to the point. Under Poe it listed Hello and the songs > released from it, etc. and then it also listed a cd named "Chain Letter" > and I know she hasn't put out another album....so is that the title of the > new album????? > > -Becky That would be consistent with what she told us in Salt Lake City, UT (6/97) Woo hoo... This next album is becoming a reality... FINALLY! Jarrod POE - Never heard of her... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:10:25 EDT From: Xeno11@aol.com Subject: NPR What Starstrail said about me In a message dated 5/31/98 9:30:46 PM EST, Starstrail@aol.com writes: > second, all of y'all, this xeno person has personally harassed me...he is not > one of the sweetest people on the face of this planet IMHO...in fact, just > by > opening my mouth, he'll most likely bother me some more...i don't care...( > ooh, > there ya go, i don't care about myself being cruelly hurt, should i go kill > or > maim something now?) i've never even talked to this person. i have no idea what she is talking about. this is the first time i've actually posted to the list and people start spreading lies about me? what is the deal with this? is slander commonplace on this list? hmm, i guess since i put my opinion in and starstrail didn't agree with it he/she made up a story about me and then told everyone to ignore me. in other words, he/she doesn't want you to read what i have to say because...he/she doesn't agree and doesn't want anyone else (who might read what i say and change their mind) to agree with me. there, as for the rest of the posts...my opinion stands. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 18:28:33 -0700 From: shaun Subject: Date for new album? Actually two questions. 1)is there an approx. date for sale? 2)when is tour going to start, mainly in southern CA? Thanks Shaun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:38:32 EDT From: TORICOBAIN@aol.com Subject: Re: Xeno11 xeno is annoying. He bothers me too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:55:13 EDT From: TORICOBAIN@aol.com Subject: Re: stupid move= stupid human surprise surprise I do not think it is true that humans are the only creatures who make a noticiable impact on the world. For example hawks and other animals eat mice if they did not do this there would be to many mice and many bad things could happen from there so animals also do important things to help the universe. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:23:53 EDT From: Starstrail@aol.com Subject: NPR xeno's alzheimer's... NOTE TO THE LIST!!! this letter is not for everyone to read, but i feel it to be a continuance of my previous warning, and am therefore posting it... In a message dated 98-06-01 20:14:27 EDT, you write: << i've never even talked to this person. i have no idea what she is talking about. this is the first time i've actually posted to the list and people start spreading lies about me? what is the deal with this? is slander commonplace on this list? hmm, i guess since i put my opinion in and starstrail didn't agree with it he/she made up a story about me and then told everyone to ignore me. in other words, he/she doesn't want you to read what i have to say because...he/she doesn't agree and doesn't want anyone else (who might read what i say and change their mind) to agree with me. >> yes, you have talked to me...althought i wouldn't refer to it as talking...the topic was bulimia, the date was no more than six months ago...in fact, correct me if i'm wrong, but i seemed to have inspired a poem that is on your webpage... so my opinion still stands in that i have personally been harassed by xeno11@aol.com. kestrel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:43:46 EDT From: VolcanoFem@aol.com Subject: Re: poe's new album title << This next album is becoming a reality... FINALLY! >> My question is what kind of reality is it becoming? I mean..... when when when when when??? Do you know anything, Jarrod, or do you know anyone who does? Personally, I think a new Poe album would do everyone a lot of good. C'est tout, Anna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:50:58 -0700 (MST) From: Jarrod Subject: Re: poe's new album title On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 VolcanoFem@aol.com wrote: > > << This next album is becoming a reality... FINALLY! >> > > > My question is what kind of reality is it becoming? I mean..... when when > when when when??? Do you know anything, Jarrod, or do you know anyone who > does? Personally, I think a new Poe album would do everyone a lot of good. > > > C'est tout, > Anna > Ladies and Gentlemen... Start your engines! =))))))))))))O))))))))))O))))))))))))))O))) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:54:51 EDT From: Goalygirl7@aol.com Subject: SPICE Ya know what? Now that Ginger Spice is getting out. This isn't where people were saying POE was gonna jump in was it? This thing was all a big joke wasn't it? Sorry to bring it up again! rainy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:22:11 -0700 (MST) From: Jarrod Subject: SPICE - Thread - POE Related CHAIN LETTER SPICE * * * MUUUHAaaahhHHHAhhhah Jarrod On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 Goalygirl7@aol.com wrote: > > Ya know what? Now that Ginger Spice is getting out. This isn't where people > were saying POE was gonna jump in was it? This thing was all a big joke > wasn't it? Sorry to bring it up again! > > > rainy > ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V3 #155 ***********************************