From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V3 #71 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, March 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NPR but APR: this whole sexuality/religion thread.. [IEd33I ] PR! YellowCab Shoes [Rob4drums ] Re: Paganism? [C*A*S*E*Y ] NPR: FW: (harbinger) Lilith Fair [Lawrence Kim ] Is Paganism PR? ["PadmaT" ] Re: NPR but APR: this whole sexuality/religion thread.. ["Bill Holz" ] Re: NPR but APR: this whole sexuality/religion thread.. ["Bill Holz" ] Re: Poe and relationships ["Bill Holz" ] POE's dark side traditional? ["PadmaT" ] [none] ["Misty M" ] RE: ["PadmaT" ] Poe Page [Padre Fear ] psychoanalysis... [Oblivius1 ] Re: NPR but APR: this whole sexuality/religion thread.. [SuPeRxSpYx ] NPR: Delete me - Just testing out my new subscribed address [Ed Hunsinger] Re: Poe and relationships [Starstrail ] December 1996 Repost - AP Questions [Clint Doyle ] AP Questions 1-5 Repost 12/23/96 [Clint Doyle ] AP Questions 6-10 Repost 12/23/96 [Clint Doyle ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:40:31 EST From: IEd33I Subject: NPR but APR: this whole sexuality/religion thread.. I'm gonna add in my vote against this thread... it's lost the joke... I realize that it will more than likely end sometime, but hopefully that time is soon... just resist the urge to reply to a pagan/atheist lesbian/bisexual/polysexual and hit the delete key instead.. :) or take it to personal email...I understand how things like this happen (you know, a few people think it's funny, but others don't) but i think it's carrying on too far... this is my personal opinion, because I have OeCD (Obsessive email Checking Disorder) which means that according to the chemicals in my brain I have to check and read every piece of email I receive (yes sometimes that even includes reading headers!) and the whole lesbian pagan thing has lost it's joke... but now that I think about it, where was the joke? I know a lot of pagan lesbian/bisexuals/etc. I"m pagan myself too... so, I beg you, please cancel your subscription to Lesbian Pagan Posting on the Psycho List.... thank you and please drive around... ps. Don't anyone take offense at this, it's nothing personal... yet... :) Ed 'owner of a now pierced nipple' ed@poe.org http://members.aol.com/ied33i ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:17:10 EST From: Tiny Guy E Subject: Re: Paganism? enough paganism, MORE RENT!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:42:36 EST From: Rob4drums Subject: PR! YellowCab Shoes Check out this site guys, I'm gonna order me some now... http://www.yellow-cab-co.com/yellow-cab/home.html Yes, Poe stuff is on the page .... you'll see. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:36:17 +0000 From: C*A*S*E*Y Subject: Re: Paganism? Enough paganism, enough Rent, MORE POE! Danke, C*A*S*E*Y Tiny Guy E wrote: > enough paganism, MORE RENT!!! - -- "one good things about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain" --Bob Marley ****************************************************************** http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/5146/casey.html http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/7293/2bootleg.html ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:04:13 -0600 From: Lawrence Kim Subject: NPR: FW: (harbinger) Lilith Fair FYI... - -----Original Message----- From: Steve Bornstein [SMTP:steve_bornstein@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 10:41 PM To: harbinger@smoe.org Subject: (harbinger) Lilith Fair News Flash!! This is a preliminary notice about this summer's Lilith Fair. Returning from last year - Sarah McLachlan, Paula Cole, Sheryl Crow, Shawn Colvin, and Indigo Gigls. New this year - Natalie Merchant, Sinead O'Connor, Missy Elliott, Erykah Badu, and possibly Bonnie Raitt. Many more to be added, of course. It starts June19 in Portland OR and continues through the end of August, including more than 50 cities in the US and Canada. Plans are underway to bring it to Europe. Keep checking at lilithfair.com for updates. Peace (and music!) Steve steve@intermixx.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------------------------------ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe harbinger Please note the new majordomo address To buy Paula merchandise from Paula(!) try: http://pw2.netcom.com/~ilml/pcmerch.html Digest, further unsub and problems FAQ at: http://www.netaxs.com/~jgreshes/lists/harbinger.html For This Fire kinda-lyrics write Riphug@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 1998 07:38:56 -0700 From: "PadmaT" Subject: Is Paganism PR? Hey there, fellow Psychos! While I've limited my own discussion of Paganism to individual messages, I think that Poe herself invites this more public discussion by using the most prominent of all Pagan symbols on the cover of "Hello". I speak, of course, of the pentagram. I know that Poe is atheist, or at least agnostic, but lest we get too comfortable slamming others for discussing NPR topics, let's at least consider the possibility that Poe's own "design" choices have made Pagans feel welcome on this list. I'm just surprised this discussion hasn't been engaged for a much longer time. "I am part Buddhist, and part Pagan, but my own religion is Beauty." Padma ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:27:44 -0600 From: "Bill Holz" Subject: Re: NPR but APR: this whole sexuality/religion thread.. Well, I admit I got a chuckle out of your thread Ed, and congrats on the nipple However I think people are a bit to quick to jump on random 'NPR' topics. . I don't know if it's because they are irritated by the majority of messages and don't know how to have the ones from this group moved to it's own folder or what (It's easy guys!) Let's face it. .we're in the middle of a 'Poe-lite' stretch. .eagerly awaiting her new album while no really good poe-related discussions have come up. . Meanwhile this has become a bit of a virtual community in some ways. . and it's quite the interesting gang. .I for one am interested almost as much in the minds and hearts behind my fellow Poe-listeners as I am in our beloved Poe herself. Some of those little 'side threads' haven't been my cup of tea, but from others I've gained some good insights. Anyway, just my 2 cents. . - -Bill > >I'm gonna add in my vote against this thread... it's lost the joke... I >realize that it will more than likely end sometime, but hopefully that time is >soon... just resist the urge to reply to a pagan/atheist >lesbian/bisexual/polysexual and hit the delete key instead.. :) or take it to >personal email...I understand how things like this happen (you know, a few >people think it's funny, but others don't) but i think it's carrying on too >far... this is my personal opinion, because I have OeCD (Obsessive email >Checking Disorder) which means that according to the chemicals in my brain I >have to check and read every piece of email I receive (yes sometimes that even >includes reading headers!) and the whole lesbian pagan thing has lost it's >joke... but now that I think about it, where was the joke? I know a lot of >pagan lesbian/bisexuals/etc. I"m pagan myself too... so, I beg you, please >cancel your subscription to Lesbian Pagan Posting on the Psycho List.... >thank you and please drive around... > >ps. Don't anyone take offense at this, it's nothing personal... yet... :) > >Ed >'owner of a now pierced nipple' >ed@poe.org >http://members.aol.com/ied33i > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:29:17 -0400 From: jthompson@lib.schoolofvisualarts.edu (J Thompson) Subject: Re: NPR but APR: this whole sexuality/religion thread.. Responding to the message of Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:27:44 -0600 from "Bill Holz" : > my name is jesse and i like trains. > > Well, I admit I got a chuckle out of your thread Ed, and congrats on the > nipple > > However I think people are a bit to quick to jump on random 'NPR' topics. > . > I don't know if it's because they are irritated by the majority of > messages > and don't know how to have the ones from this group moved to it's own > folder > or what (It's easy guys!) > > Let's face it. .we're in the middle of a 'Poe-lite' stretch. .eagerly > awaiting her new album while no really good poe-related discussions have > come up. . > > Meanwhile this has become a bit of a virtual community in some ways. . > and > it's quite the interesting gang. .I for one am interested almost as much > in > the minds and hearts behind my fellow Poe-listeners as I am in our > beloved > Poe herself. Some of those little 'side threads' haven't been my cup of > tea, but from others I've gained some good insights. > > Anyway, just my 2 cents. . > -Bill > > > > > > >I'm gonna add in my vote against this thread... it's lost the joke... I > >realize that it will more than likely end sometime, but hopefully that > time > is > >soon... just resist the urge to reply to a pagan/atheist > >lesbian/bisexual/polysexual and hit the delete key instead.. :) or take > it > to > >personal email...I understand how things like this happen (you know, a > few > >people think it's funny, but others don't) but i think it's carrying on > too > >far... this is my personal opinion, because I have OeCD (Obsessive > email > >Checking Disorder) which means that according to the chemicals in my > brain > I > >have to check and read every piece of email I receive (yes sometimes > that > even > >includes reading headers!) and the whole lesbian pagan thing has lost > it's > >joke... but now that I think about it, where was the joke? I know a lot > of > >pagan lesbian/bisexuals/etc. I"m pagan myself too... so, I beg you, > please > >cancel your subscription to Lesbian Pagan Posting on the Psycho List.... > >thank you and please drive around... > > > >ps. Don't anyone take offense at this, it's nothing personal... yet... > :) > > > >Ed > >'owner of a now pierced nipple' > >ed@poe.org > >http://members.aol.com/ied33i > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:41:20 -0600 From: "Bill Holz" Subject: Re: NPR but APR: this whole sexuality/religion thread.. See! Jesse likes trains, isn't that great? And if I wasn't interested in that little tidbit just one little tap of the delete key and *BAM!* It's gone. :) >my name is jesse and i like trains. > > > > > >> >> Well, I admit I got a chuckle out of your thread Ed, and congrats on the >> nipple >> >> However I think people are a bit to quick to jump on random 'NPR' topics. >> . >> I don't know if it's because they are irritated by the majority of >> messages >> and don't know how to have the ones from this group moved to it's own >> folder >> or what (It's easy guys!) >> >> Let's face it. .we're in the middle of a 'Poe-lite' stretch. .eagerly >> awaiting her new album while no really good poe-related discussions have >> come up. . >> >> Meanwhile this has become a bit of a virtual community in some ways. . >> and >> it's quite the interesting gang. .I for one am interested almost as much >> in >> the minds and hearts behind my fellow Poe-listeners as I am in our >> beloved >> Poe herself. Some of those little 'side threads' haven't been my cup of >> tea, but from others I've gained some good insights. >> >> Anyway, just my 2 cents. . >> -Bill >> >> >> >> > >> >I'm gonna add in my vote against this thread... it's lost the joke... I >> >realize that it will more than likely end sometime, but hopefully that >> time >> is >> >soon... just resist the urge to reply to a pagan/atheist >> >lesbian/bisexual/polysexual and hit the delete key instead.. :) or take >> it >> to >> >personal email...I understand how things like this happen (you know, a >> few >> >people think it's funny, but others don't) but i think it's carrying on >> too >> >far... this is my personal opinion, because I have OeCD (Obsessive >> email >> >Checking Disorder) which means that according to the chemicals in my >> brain >> I >> >have to check and read every piece of email I receive (yes sometimes >> that >> even >> >includes reading headers!) and the whole lesbian pagan thing has lost >> it's >> >joke... but now that I think about it, where was the joke? I know a lot >> of >> >pagan lesbian/bisexuals/etc. I"m pagan myself too... so, I beg you, >> please >> >cancel your subscription to Lesbian Pagan Posting on the Psycho List.... >> >thank you and please drive around... >> > >> >ps. Don't anyone take offense at this, it's nothing personal... yet... >> :) >> > >> >Ed >> >'owner of a now pierced nipple' >> >ed@poe.org >> >http://members.aol.com/ied33i >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:12:19 EST From: IEd33I Subject: Re: NPR but APR: this whole sexuality/religion thread.. In a message dated 98-03-11 11:47:15 EST, you write: << See! Jesse likes trains, isn't that great? And if I wasn't interested in that little tidbit just one little tap of the delete key and *BAM!* It's gone. :) >> *sigh* f-it... let chaos reign for awhile.... or at least until we get a good Poe topic. I agree with the whole idea of the list being a community and also a close knit family among some of the members... and that the Poe material has waned in the near past.. so I see your point in letting people do some random posting...so I'm not gonna discourage the NPR posts, but I'm not going to encourage them.. :) there I've covered my politically correct ass.. oh wait, this isn't the young pagan/lesbian/republicans mailing list? whoops.... :) Ed ed@poe.org I like Trainspotting... :) http://members.aol.com/ied33i ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:18:13 EST From: IEd33I Subject: NPR: POP3 vs. AOL Email I'm currently subscribed to the list through an AOL email address, but I also have an account with Bell South which gives me a POP3 email address... I'm debating subscribing to the list under the Bell south email address so that I can use an email program other than idea... (that way I get more features than AOL), but then again, are the features worth the extra effort to check a third email address? If you get a chance, and you're using an email program other than AOL, drop me an email and tell me what program you're using and how good it is.... thanks.. :) Ed ed@poe.org http://members.aol.com/ied33i I like my cigarettes like my women... Naked... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:26:54 -0600 From: "Bill Holz" Subject: Re: NPR but APR: this whole sexuality/religion thread.. On a more proactive note. . we could perhaps try to come up with a good Poe topic? News is nice but it's pretty much a one-shot (Hey guys. .x is happening), it's not like we'll start a thread that way. Hmm. . perhaps we could psycho-analyze her through her music? Could be fun! :) - -Me >*sigh* f-it... let chaos reign for awhile.... or at least until we get a good >Poe topic. I agree with the whole idea of the list being a community and also >a close knit family among some of the members... and that the Poe material >has waned in the near past.. so I see your point in letting people do some >random posting...so I'm not gonna discourage the NPR posts, but I'm not going >to encourage them.. :) there I've covered my politically correct ass.. oh >wait, this isn't the young pagan/lesbian/republicans mailing list? whoops.... >:) > >Ed >ed@poe.org >I like Trainspotting... :) >http://members.aol.com/ied33i > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:04:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Bell Subject: Poe and relationships > On a more proactive note. . we could perhaps try to come up with a good Poe > topic? News is nice but it's pretty much a one-shot (Hey guys. .x is > happening), it's not like we'll start a thread that way. > > Hmm. . perhaps we could psycho-analyze her through her music? Could be fun! well, ok - here's a concept: I went to some music store where they have those little music computers.. type in an artist and get some info about them. I typed in Poe and found a review about "hello". It was mostly favorable, but something stuck out in my mind.. They said something to the effect of "Poe finds herself in potentially harmful relationships, but finds it in herself to laugh at her mistakes".. that's incredibly paraphrased.. probably mostly made up, but the idea is there. So then I was thinking about "and I hate myself just enough to love him" and then the new song on "welcome to woop woop" is talking a lot about "what should you do when a guy is flirting with you? spit in his eye? I'm just a girl who can't say no" and then "fly away / sweet bird of prey" .. on one hand, that's just a ryhme (that Jim Morrison used) but on another - what's a "bird of prey"? Not just a sweet hummingbird. More like a vulture, a hawk, an eagle. So is she telling this person to just leave... she's been hurt too much? "but if you could look inside my brain you'd know exactly what you mean here" (I forget the rest of the lyrics around that line - this is off the top of my head) that line refers to this person not knowing who he is, but she still knows just how important he is to *her*. Sort of an interesting line.. trying to maintain love with someone that can't love himself? Knowing someone who doesn't know himself? ok - there. Any other "relationship" lyrics? These were easy to pull, I'm sure theres a bunch more. And the most puzzling thing about this is how strong Poe has always seemed when I've met her. Never struck me as someone who would take someone else's shit. I mean, anyone that's met Poe has seen her laughing, cool side... but when Poe starts talking business, she actually scares me a wee bit. It sounds like she really knows what she's doing - it's all very orchistrated. Here's to hoping for a "real" string cluttering my mailbox, Lesbian Pagan Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:11:10 -0600 From: "Bill Holz" Subject: Re: Poe and relationships cool.. let's roll with this one :) First of all, one thing I've noticed about a lot of otherwise very strong, intelligent, capable people is that often the 'dynamic' ones that seem to have a dark/bitter side (whether brooding or due to a difficult past) (and I've been told I fit into this category, I'm stealing part of this insight from a friend who is a bit too insightful for her own good) tend to pick up 'lost souls' in relationships. People they are inspired by the POTENTIAL of more than they are by what you see on the face of a person. . .High on insight, low on common sense in relationships. Not necessarily 'obsessive' but once a certain 'level' has been reached a person becomes extremely important to them. As a wild extremely uneducated guess, I'd toss Poe into that category too. . someone who is attracted as much to the deepest hidden glimmers in the mind of a partner as to what's up front. . .someone who may be a bit TOO honest in relationships and may 'expose her soul' more than most once a person has reached a certain 'level' to her. Of course that's just hack stuff coming from someone who's never met her :) - -Me >> On a more proactive note. . we could perhaps try to come up with a good Poe >> topic? News is nice but it's pretty much a one-shot (Hey guys. .x is >> happening), it's not like we'll start a thread that way. >> >> Hmm. . perhaps we could psycho-analyze her through her music? Could be fun! > > > >well, ok - >here's a concept: > >I went to some music store where they have those little music computers.. >type in an artist and get some info about them. I typed in Poe and found >a review about "hello". It was mostly favorable, but something stuck out >in my mind.. > >They said something to the effect of "Poe finds herself in potentially >harmful relationships, but finds it in herself to laugh at her mistakes".. >that's incredibly paraphrased.. probably mostly made up, but the idea is >there. > >So then I was thinking about >"and I hate myself just enough to love him" >and then the new song on "welcome to woop woop" is talking a lot about >"what should you do when a guy is flirting with you? spit in his eye? >I'm just a girl who can't say no" and then >"fly away / sweet bird of prey" .. >on one hand, that's just a ryhme (that Jim Morrison used) but on another - >what's a "bird of prey"? Not just a sweet hummingbird. More like a >vulture, a hawk, an eagle. So is she telling this person to just leave... >she's been hurt too much? >"but if you could look inside my brain you'd know exactly what you mean >here" (I forget the rest of the lyrics around that line - this is off the >top of my head) >that line refers to this person not knowing who he is, but she still knows >just how important he is to *her*. Sort of an interesting line.. trying >to maintain love with someone that can't love himself? Knowing someone >who doesn't know himself? > >ok - there. Any other "relationship" lyrics? These were easy to pull, >I'm sure theres a bunch more. > > > >And the most puzzling thing about this is how strong Poe has always seemed >when I've met her. Never struck me as someone who would take someone >else's shit. > >I mean, anyone that's met Poe has seen her laughing, cool side... but when >Poe starts talking business, she actually scares me a wee bit. It sounds >like she really knows what she's doing - it's all very orchistrated. > > > > >Here's to hoping for a "real" string cluttering my mailbox, >Lesbian Pagan Jon > > > ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 1998 11:42:53 -0700 From: "PadmaT" Subject: POE's dark side traditional? How could Poe be Poe without a dark side? It just wouldn't be right if she were sugar-coated and cheerful...with that monikor. It was my own love for Edgar Allen Poe that made me take a close look at our psychotic leader. Also, I really think that "dark side" artistry is very much an American tradition...starting with Poe, Melville, and even Hawthorne; more recently, Sylvia Plath and others. My own poetry is very much neo-gothic at times (by neo-gothic, I refer not to the contemporary social phenomenon, but to the gothic tradition of Poe (EA), Lord Byron, Mary Shelley, Rimbaud and Baudelaire). Especially today, when our inner needs cannot be even remotely met by an increasingly materialistic and cynical public, our lady Poe helps keep this tradition alive--inviting us to ignore the temptation to be "dumbed down" and consider issues of depth, however painful. And as we are, by and large, a very repressed civilization, we can expect those more subterranean, subtle energies to be quite painful, indeed. No argument with what Bill says, just a different take. Padma _______________________________________________________________________________ From: Bill Holz on Wed, Mar 11, 1998 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Poe and relationships To: Jon Bell Cc: angry psychos cool.. let's roll with this one :) First of all, one thing I've noticed about a lot of otherwise very strong, intelligent, capable people is that often the 'dynamic' ones that seem to have a dark/bitter side (whether brooding or due to a difficult past) (and I've been told I fit into this category, I'm stealing part of this insight from a friend who is a bit too insightful for her own good) tend to pick up 'lost souls' in relationships. People they are inspired by the POTENTIAL of more than they are by what you see on the face of a person. . .High on insight, low on common sense in relationships. Not necessarily 'obsessive' but once a certain 'level' has been reached a person becomes extremely important to them. As a wild extremely uneducated guess, I'd toss Poe into that category too. . someone who is attracted as much to the deepest hidden glimmers in the mind of a partner as to what's up front. . .someone who may be a bit TOO honest in relationships and may 'expose her soul' more than most once a person has reached a certain 'level' to her. Of course that's just hack stuff coming from someone who's never met her :) - -Me >> On a more proactive note. . we could perhaps try to come up with a good Poe >> topic? News is nice but it's pretty much a one-shot (Hey guys. .x is >> happening), it's not like we'll start a thread that way. >> >> Hmm. . perhaps we could psycho-analyze her through her music? Could be fun! > > > >well, ok - >here's a concept: > >I went to some music store where they have those little music computers.. >type in an artist and get some info about them. I typed in Poe and found >a review about "hello". It was mostly favorable, but something stuck out >in my mind.. > >They said something to the effect of "Poe finds herself in potentially >harmful relationships, but finds it in herself to laugh at her mistakes".. >that's incredibly paraphrased.. probably mostly made up, but the idea is >there. > >So then I was thinking about >"and I hate myself just enough to love him" >and then the new song on "welcome to woop woop" is talking a lot about >"what should you do when a guy is flirting with you? spit in his eye? >I'm just a girl who can't say no" and then >"fly away / sweet bird of prey" .. >on one hand, that's just a ryhme (that Jim Morrison used) but on another - >what's a "bird of prey"? Not just a sweet hummingbird. More like a >vulture, a hawk, an eagle. So is she telling this person to just leave... >she's been hurt too much? >"but if you could look inside my brain you'd know exactly what you mean >here" (I forget the rest of the lyrics around that line - this is off the >top of my head) >that line refers to this person not knowing who he is, but she still knows >just how important he is to *her*. Sort of an interesting line.. trying >to maintain love with someone that can't love himself? Knowing someone >who doesn't know himself? > >ok - there. Any other "relationship" lyrics? These were easy to pull, >I'm sure theres a bunch more. > > > >And the most puzzling thing about this is how strong Poe has always seemed >when I've met her. Never struck me as someone who would take someone >else's shit. > >I mean, anyone that's met Poe has seen her laughing, cool side... but when >Poe starts talking business, she actually scares me a wee bit. It sounds >like she really knows what she's doing - it's all very orchistrated. > > > > >Here's to hoping for a "real" string cluttering my mailbox, >Lesbian Pagan Jon > > > - ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mail.rmc.org with ADMIN;11 Mar 1998 11:29:36 -0700 Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] (root) by siren.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0yCqAR-00017a-00; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:23:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id NAA03900; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:25:08 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id NAA03846 for angry-psychos-outgoing; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.usinternet.com (mail.usinternet.com [205.219.138.31]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id NAA03841 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from wholz56.arh.cdc.com ([129.179.75.56]) by mail.usinternet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-48757U12000L12000S0) with SMTP id AAA248; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:14:05 -0600 From: "Bill Holz" To: "Jon Bell" Cc: "angry psychos" Subject: Re: Poe and relationships Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:11:10 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd4d19$11c842a0$384bb381@wholz56.arh.cdc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:15:04 -0600 From: "Misty M" Subject: [none] Hello fellow Psychos, My name is Misty Martin. I'm 24 from Mississippi. Just joined you cool people a few days ago. (Insert group hug here) I came on just in time for a religion/lesbian debate and it's inevitable backlash. That's the magic of Poe, through her music and all around cool majesty she makes everyone feel welcome. I've enjoyed the diversity of the community so far. Though I've never seen RENT. :) I first came across Poe in the Angry Johnny video. Thought it was pretty cool but did'nt give it much thought. Then I saw her on 120 Minutes singing it live. Damn! I was blown away.I'm as feminist as the next gal but from the video, I never would of thought that cute blond could kick so much ass!!!! So I ran out to get the CD, never suspecting. Her music is truly eclectic and impossible to pigeonhole. I mean how many minds could come up with Junkie and Fly Away? On the same album??? Tracking down the band versions was kinda tough but well worth it. I'm kinda new to the net and Poe, so if any of you sage and wise psychos have any info to impart to the new babe in the woods i'd appreciate it. Nothings too trivial where Poe's concerned. Feel free to email me at misty@ebicom.net. Oh yeah, I'm a non practicing Jewish......................lesbain! EEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry guys, couldn't resist. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 1998 12:31:58 -0700 From: "PadmaT" Subject: RE: Non-practicing Jew? Or non-practicing lesbian? Padma P.S. Welcome aboard! _______________________________________________________________________________ Oh yeah, I'm a non practicing Jewish......................lesbain! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:54:52 -0500 (EST) From: Padre Fear Subject: Poe Page Hey, I am getting ready to put up a page on my home page dedicated to Poe. I have VERY few pictures (the few pix I have were stolen from other web-sites [sorry for those of you who think that I shouldn't have]). Anyway, I was wondering if some of you could e-mail me with your Poe page so I could get some pix. (No, I will NOT steal the one's that were taken by you. I am mostly looking for pix of her that are promo shots... some that are public domain.) Anyway, if you do send me your Poe Web Address , and if I take a pic off of there, I WILL put a link to your homepage on mine, once it is up! Thank you in advance, guys! later all Jeff ******************************************************************************* "One of these days I'm gonna be happy. One of these days I'm gonna get the punch line. One of these days I'm gonna piss all over myself laughing. One of these days I'm gonna be happy. Till that day I'm gonna bitch and moan and groan and... Hold the phone, I'm not done where's everybody goin'? What the fuck? This shit sucks. I'm bored..." ~ Imani Coppolla, "One of These Days" from Chupacabra ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:16:19 EST From: Oblivius1 Subject: psychoanalysis... i'm all for analyzing songs and such......and i'm slightly psychotic...and i'm studying to be a psychologist...and i'm going to go see one next thursday.....and my entire human psyche is geared towards analysis..... so whatever.... sadly madly creepily, Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:31:10 EST From: SuPeRxSpYx Subject: Re: NPR but APR: this whole sexuality/religion thread.. ditto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:21:26 EST From: Goalygirl7 Subject: All about ME!!! My name is Liz Wagner. I'm a fourteen year old from MN. I first heard POE when I bought the wrong C.D at the record store!!! (Ironic isn't is?) And I fell in love with her music. I like to listen to Sarah Mclaughlan, Fiona Apple, Marcy Playground, FleetWood Mac, Metallica, and Jewel. I guess I'll just say that I try to be normal...I am a Goalie on the girls hockey team for my school..and I love to sing!! Oh and I really like POE!! SEE YA!! Liz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:25:15 -0500 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: NPR: Delete me - Just testing out my new subscribed address there's no point in reading this, I'm just seeing how this goes through the list to compare it to how my AOL address goes through.. It's just me Ed.. http://members.aol.com/ied33i Ed ed@poe.org ehunsing@bellsouth.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:07:01 EST From: Starstrail Subject: Re: Poe and relationships In a message dated 98-03-11 13:26:03 EST, you write: > "fly away / sweet bird of prey" .. > on one hand, that's just a ryhme (that Jim Morrison used) but on another - > what's a "bird of prey"? Not just a sweet hummingbird. More like a > vulture, a hawk, an eagle. So is she telling this person to just leave... > she's been hurt too much? kestrel speaking up here for a moment =)...kestrel isn't my real name, it's my chosen name, and this is probably why i love Fly Away soooooo much...a kestrel is the smallest of the hawk family...it's an absolutely beautiful bird, but it's so tiny...maybe the size of two fists...even though it's so small though, it's still this powerful, strong bird... anyway, now that i got that bit out... i don't think she's telling someone that has hurt her to leave...i think she's both talking to herself AND talking to anyone else out there who needs to listen... fly away, sweet bird of prey (delicate, beautiful, strong woman) ya know what, i'm just gonna interp this entire song and mail it tomorrow =) > "but if you could look inside my brain you'd know exactly what you mean > here" (I forget the rest of the lyrics around that line - this is off the > top of my head) > that line refers to this person not knowing who he is, but she still knows > just how important he is to *her*. Sort of an interesting line.. trying > to maintain love with someone that can't love himself? Knowing someone > who doesn't know himself? i love your interp of these lyrics =)...thank you > And the most puzzling thing about this is how strong Poe has always seemed > when I've met her. Never struck me as someone who would take someone > else's shit. i don't think she's writing these lyrics because she takes shit from other people...i think she's writing them because of bad situations that she was forced to go through, but, and most importantly, she has learned from...that is why she's so strong now...she was able to overcome them......she's such a goddess to me =) kestrel spacing out... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:58:13 -0800 From: Clint Doyle Subject: December 1996 Repost - AP Questions Hello everyone. Since not much is happening with regards to Poe conversing recently, I thought I would follow through on the idea that I had, while sifting through my e-mail. We have a lot of new PsYcHoS on this list, so I thought maybe everyone would be interested in seeing a repost Poe's answers to 38 questions, originally posted to the AP list on December 23, 1996 Original poster was Jarrod, whom I have asked the permission of to repost. Enjoy! Clint International Angry PsYcHo ********************************************************************** Clint Doyle, CNA | "And the license said you had to stick around hcdoyle@direct.ca | until I was dead, But if you're tired of hcdoyle@poe.org | looking at my face I guess I already am" cdoyle1@hotmail.com | "Divorce Song" - Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:00:53 -0800 From: Clint Doyle Subject: AP Questions 1-5 Repost 12/23/96 As originally posted by Jarrod, 12/23/96 - ---------------------------------------------- As I answer these questions please usderstand if I don't personally address the author of the question. What POE did was to take a cassette recorder into the bathroom at the Celebrity theatre for an hour plus and answered almost all of the questions. To help me out she did read the names of some of the angry-psychos that asked questions. I couldn't believe how much of a sweetheart she was about this. Here goes.... P.S. If there are some mistypes please respect that. Thanks :-) ************** Q1: Does the original printing of the record have different mixes on it compared to the current album as it is printed.... POE: Yes that is true. The only song that is different is JUNKIE. The reason that we mixed it over is because there is a horn section that we had trouble getting permission to use when we re-pressed the album. About 25,000 albums went out with the first batch. SO. If you have one it would be something to hang on to. "I don't even think I have a copy." JARROD: Does any AP have this original pressing? *********** Q2: Where is POE's brother and what is he up to? POE: My brother is in LA and is finishing a novel right now.. If you are into thos heady authors like Thoimas Pinchis or James Joyce. Finishing the book in three months. He also writes Jazz songs. We just recorded one of his soungs for an album called Loungeapalooza. It will be coming out next year. We got a famous bass player who used to be yelled at by Buddy Rich. There is a bit of Trivia for you. JARROD: What is POE's brother's name? ************ Q3: Was "HELLO" ever released outside of the United States? POE: I think HELLO has been released outside of the US. Honestly I don't know where. I know it is being played in SPAIN. Also i know it is being played in Germany. We haven't been back to those places in a long time so I don't know what the deal is. JARROD: Any AP know where we can look up internation realeses of albums? ************** Q4: What shots were sensored from the Angry Johnny Video? POE: Oh god... I don't know what the deal was. I would love to give you a good story but I can't. I think it had someting to do with the blow-up dolls. *laughs* MTv just doesn't seem to have a sense of humor. JARROD: MTv? I don't trust them. **************** Q5: Which two songs on HELLO were done entirely on computer. POE: First off. Hello was completely programmed and then dumped to analog. I recorded the whole thing myself on an old EPS 16 plus that I had in my house. The twon songs done entirely on computer were.... Beauiful Girl and Choking the Cherry. The funny thing is that those two tracks had real drums. It was getting toward the end of the whole record writing process and we were actually running out of money. I had a friend that could do all of this stuff on his MAC computer using ProTools so we did it. I totally loved it. I would definately do it again if ihad the chance. JARROD: Do it POE. DO IT. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:06:15 -0800 From: Clint Doyle Subject: AP Questions 6-10 Repost 12/23/96 As originally posted by Jarrod, 12/23/96 - ---------------------------------------------- ******************* Q6: What was it like opening for KISS? POE: Ya that was cool... We opened for KISS on Howleen night at Irvine MEadows outside of LA. I dressed up as the Plague that I did when I was 8 years old. I had these lasers on my eyes and it looked like this death creature. It was great.... It was so Spinal Tap you don't even know.... We thought to ourselves as we watched the KISS show.... If aliens landed right now and saw this and thought that this is what this society is all about.... What would they think. Gene Simmons has bllood coming out of his mouth. What on earth would they think. We wanted to dress up as KISS but they wouldnt let us do it. JARROD: How fortunate could or POE get. KISS. I didn't know that. ******************* Q7 Do you remember me. Jim Myers? POE: Ya. I remember you well... He bought us dinner. More than just me. Me, my manager, my sound guy, and I think my bass player. Infact I think I am still digesting. *laugh* Hopefully not. Thank YOU.... JARROD: POE Rules to remember shit like that. Way to go Jim. ****************** Q8 Do you remember getting hit with mud at the buzzard fest? POE: I did get hit in the face with MUD... The entire audience was as muddy as they could get. It was late in the show and the rain made this place a swamp. We decided we are going to get it. We covered Henry (The chello) with a blanket and went for it. During the first song I got hit with mud..... At that point I grabbed the mud and rubbed it all over my face like war paint and went for it. I figured what the fuck. Everybody else was muddy whay not us. The mud flying pretty muched stopped after that. I think it was kind of primal with everybody. They figured that we were down with the mud and we got muddy with them and they stopped throwing it.... I took my y biggest stage dive happened there. I jumped off a 15 foot PA. I am totally lucky that I didn't end up like Christopher Reeve. It was the funnes thing that I have ever done. The audience just caught me. They were so cool. I took a leap of faith. I don't know if I would do it again because you can really break your neck. But who knows. JARROD: I wish I get to have some opportunities that POE has. ************************ Q9: Was Padre Fear done on a computer? POE: It was laid to analog. When it was done I didn't like thae bridge. I had just met Cameron at this point so I had him come in and lay down the bridge. I then sliced it in using computers. I thought it was pretty cool that I could use a computer and make that work. JARROD: Computers Rule (sometimes) ********************* Q10: Why didn't Marily Manson play Angry Johnny in the video: POE: Actually we had talked about that long before the video ever came out. Aside from scheduling problems.... We discussed this before he exploded. Super duper Alice Coopere Rock stuff. I talked to him about it and I though it would be cool when we were both at the same statge. I think it would have been great if it happened then. After his explosion I thought to myself that I didn't want to use his fame for the sake of advancing my career. It just didn't feel right. I then decided to keep doing my thing and sticking to my guns and it worked out. JARROD: Is POE cool or what? ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V3 #71 **********************************