From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V2 #401 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, December 17 1997 Volume 02 : Number 401 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Npr:word origination [Heath210 ] NPR: Re: A message [John deBoer ] Re: NPR: Re: A message [scorchy ] Re: Re: A message ["Bill Holz" ] Re: Re: A message [Brandon Sovick ] A new Face for POE.ORG ["POE.ORG" ] Re: A message [scorchy ] The debate continues :) ["Bill Holz" ] Stop the madness! :) ["Bill Holz" ] NPR: Gay/bi/lesbian ["Poet-Girl ." ] Lighten up ["CockyŽ" ] the origin of the word...... [DowNINit x ] Re: Lighten up [Robby Black ] RE: NPR: the origin of the word...... ["PadmaT" ] my 15 seconds of fame ["Michele Santiago" ] Re: A message [YEEL96E@prodigy.com (OO LALA)] Stop the madness! :) [YEEL96E@prodigy.com (OO LALA)] NPR: Stop the madness! :) [YEEL96E@prodigy.com (OO LALA)] RE: NPR: the origin of the word...... [Anfrey ] Re: NPR: dental procedures ["s-p-g@poe.org" <73214.1142@compuserve.com>] Re: the origin of the word...... [Fuchi81 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:24:17 EST From: Heath210 Subject: Npr:word origination Actually if you want to get technical the word fuck came from Germany as a non denotative word for sex! just my 2 cents! Heather. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:31:51 -0500 (EST) From: John deBoer Subject: NPR: Re: A message Alright, look...you can argue semantics or whatever all you want...go ahead, say what you will, next time someone tries to bargain with you say "Don't try to Jew me down", it's the same thing, and all the rest of such word usages. You can argue that this or that doesn't mean this or that. But it's hurtful, it's damaging, and it certainly doesn't help. So go ahead and say whatever you like, but don't expect me to like you. Twalen Fleety MonkeyMan "Ice in dark is no good" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:38:47 -0800 From: scorchy Subject: Re: NPR: Re: A message I'm getting tired of this whole discussion. History has shown that racial, religious, ethnic, and sexual stereotypes have always added words and phrases to our common language usage. Witness "Jew me Down" or, "That's Gay", " I was Gypped", " Cotton Pickin'", "Nigger Rigged", blah, blah, blah... It's up to all of us to keep these words phrases, and meanings out of our vocabulary and that of our children. To those of you who believe that these are only words, witness what words can do. -The Declaration Independence -The Speeches of Ghandi -The propaganda of Hitler's political machine -The writings of Karl Marx All of these things were just words, but had a pronounced effect not only at the time they were written, but had an enormous impact on the shape of the world to come. Words are the most powerful tool we have....use them to their fullest advantage, but always remember the impact of what they say. John deBoer wrote: > Alright, look...you can argue semantics or whatever all you want...go > ahead, say what you will, next time someone tries to bargain with you say > "Don't try to Jew me down", it's the same thing, and all the rest of such > word usages. You can argue that this or that doesn't mean this or that. > But it's hurtful, it's damaging, and it certainly doesn't help. So go > ahead and say whatever you like, but don't expect me to like you. > > Twalen > Fleety > MonkeyMan > "Ice in dark is no good" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 05:28:06 -0600 From: "Bill Holz" Subject: Re: Re: A message >Alright, look...you can argue semantics or whatever all you want...go >ahead, say what you will, next time someone tries to bargain with you say >"Don't try to Jew me down", it's the same thing, and all the rest of such >word usages. You can argue that this or that doesn't mean this or that. >But it's hurtful, it's damaging, and it certainly doesn't help. So go >ahead and say whatever you like, but don't expect me to like you. I think the point of a few of us was . . a) don't try to read things into phrasings that wasn't in the intent. . . b) don't attempt to use words to hurt someone. . . c) be an adult and responsible for what you say. I for one hardly ever put myself at that sort of risk. . not because I'm avoiding saying words that one particular racial or cultural group will find offensive, but because I try not to say offensive things in general. Would you or anyone be truly angry at someone who was obviously a good and kind person who accidentaly said something that was a 'slur' of some sort? Who clearly didn't mean any offense and apologized sincerely? In my experience, people can see through such shallow boundaries. If someone gets all worked up and offended because of some silly misused word or somesuch, and continues to be worked up, even after a sincere, polite apology is offered. .then I say the person who's taking offense is someone who's more interested in hurting the person that accidentally offended then they are in continuing the conversation and being adult. I've seen this happen. .and in every occasion it was the person who was complaining about some obscure usage of the word 'offending them' that was truly being mean and hurtful. - -Me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 05:15:44 -0800 (PST) From: Brandon Sovick Subject: Re: Re: A message - ---Bill Holz wrote: > > >Alright, look...you can argue semantics or whatever all you want...go > >ahead, say what you will, next time someone tries to bargain with you say > >"Don't try to Jew me down", it's the same thing, and all the rest of such > >word usages. You can argue that this or that doesn't mean this or that. > >But it's hurtful, it's damaging, and it certainly doesn't help. So go > >ahead and say whatever you like, but don't expect me to like you. > > > I think the point of a few of us was . . > a) don't try to read things into phrasings that wasn't in the intent. . . > b) don't attempt to use words to hurt someone. . . > c) be an adult and responsible for what you say. > > I for one hardly ever put myself at that sort of risk. . not because I'm > avoiding saying words that one particular racial or cultural group will find > offensive, but because I try not to say offensive things in general. Would > you or anyone be truly angry at someone who was obviously a good and kind > person who accidentaly said something that was a 'slur' of some sort? Who > clearly didn't mean any offense and apologized sincerely? In my experience, > people can see through such shallow boundaries. > > If someone gets all worked up and offended because of some silly misused > word or somesuch, and continues to be worked up, even after a sincere, > polite apology is offered. .then I say the person who's taking offense is > someone who's more interested in hurting the person that accidentally > offended then they are in continuing the conversation and being adult. I've > seen this happen. .and in every occasion it was the person who was > complaining about some obscure usage of the word 'offending them' that was > truly being mean and hurtful. > > -Me > > you want some cheese with your wine. i'm so tired of hering about how people don't like being called names or hearing someone "accidently" slip with some sort of slur. i'll say gay if i want, weather i think something i dumb or i'm happy or if someone is gay. i'll say nigger if i want. it dosen't mean i'm prejudice it means the same as if i would call someone a dumb ass. color dosen't matter. my many friends that are black say nigger more than i do. so what the hell? i'm free of all prejudices, i hate everyone equally. so if you don't agree with me then don't listen. if you wana call me a name, go right ahead. i don't give a flyin' rats ass. sticks and stones buddy. peace _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:30:37 -0700 (MST) From: "POE.ORG" Subject: A new Face for POE.ORG POE.ORG has a new "face" for the Holiday Season... Please visit... www.poe.org Take Care Jarrod ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 05:46:27 -0800 From: scorchy Subject: Re: A message You'll read my reply on the power of written and spoken word. Our language is the most powerful tool we have to communicate our thoughts, ask a responsible, intelligent person if he enjoys being referred to in casual conversation as a kike, wop, polack, nigger, sand nigger, red, chink, by his equals, and see what his reply is. The damage you can do may not be immediately noticeable, but trust me, every time you use one of these words, you not only hurt yourself, but you cause incredible damage to others. Brandon Sovick wrote: > ---Bill Holz wrote: > > > > >Alright, look...you can argue semantics or whatever all you want...go > > >ahead, say what you will, next time someone tries to bargain with > you say > > >"Don't try to Jew me down", it's the same thing, and all the rest > of such > > >word usages. You can argue that this or that doesn't mean this or > that. > > >But it's hurtful, it's damaging, and it certainly doesn't help. So > go > > >ahead and say whatever you like, but don't expect me to like you. > > > > > > I think the point of a few of us was . . > > a) don't try to read things into phrasings that wasn't in the > intent. . . > > b) don't attempt to use words to hurt someone. . . > > c) be an adult and responsible for what you say. > > > > I for one hardly ever put myself at that sort of risk. . not because > I'm > > avoiding saying words that one particular racial or cultural group > will find > > offensive, but because I try not to say offensive things in general. > Would > > you or anyone be truly angry at someone who was obviously a good and > kind > > person who accidentaly said something that was a 'slur' of some > sort? Who > > clearly didn't mean any offense and apologized sincerely? In my > experience, > > people can see through such shallow boundaries. > > > > If someone gets all worked up and offended because of some silly > misused > > word or somesuch, and continues to be worked up, even after a sincere, > > polite apology is offered. .then I say the person who's taking > offense is > > someone who's more interested in hurting the person that accidentally > > offended then they are in continuing the conversation and being > adult. I've > > seen this happen. .and in every occasion it was the person who was > > complaining about some obscure usage of the word 'offending them' > that was > > truly being mean and hurtful. > > > > -Me > > > > > you want some cheese with your wine. > i'm so tired of hering about how people don't like being called names > or hearing someone "accidently" slip with some sort of slur. > i'll say gay if i want, weather i think something i dumb or i'm happy > or if someone is gay. i'll say nigger if i want. it dosen't mean i'm > prejudice it means the same as if i would call someone a dumb ass. > color dosen't matter. my many friends that are black say nigger more > than i do. so what the hell? i'm free of all prejudices, i hate > everyone equally. > so if you don't agree with me then don't listen. if you wana call me a > name, go right ahead. i don't give a flyin' rats ass. > sticks and stones buddy. > > peace > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:49:30 -0600 From: "Bill Holz" Subject: The debate continues :) >you want some cheese with your wine. >i'm so tired of hering about how people don't like being called names >or hearing someone "accidently" slip with some sort of slur. >i'll say gay if i want, weather i think something i dumb or i'm happy >or if someone is gay. i'll say nigger if i want. it dosen't mean i'm >prejudice it means the same as if i would call someone a dumb ass. >color dosen't matter. my many friends that are black say nigger more >than i do. so what the hell? i'm free of all prejudices, i hate >everyone equally. >so if you don't agree with me then don't listen. if you wana call me a >name, go right ahead. i don't give a flyin' rats ass. >sticks and stones buddy. Actually, I can't argue with Brandon much here. I disagree on one hand (I'm one of those 'mean people suck' nice guy types), but on the other hand I certainly respect someone who chooses to discriminate evenly (why discriminate when there are plenty of individual reasons to dislike people) more than someone who is all nicey-nice to one group and is cruel to another. In a nutshell, I'd rather hang out with someone sincerely grumpy than someone who is more conniving and degrading (hey guys. . let's gang up on THIS person because he's different) or someone who complains a lot and worries more about what group he/she is assigned to than who he/she really is inside. And yes, I'm in one of those moods this weekend :) - -Me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 07:58:29 -0600 From: "Bill Holz" Subject: Stop the madness! :) Yup.. read it. I agree in one respect and disagree in another. Any attempt to degrade someone is wrong. . period. Yes, using a racial slur on someone is bad, evil, icky and all that, but so is calling them ANY sort of name that degrades them (i.e. insulting intelligence, appearance, breeding, sexual preference, etc). A general slur is also always weaker than one that is directed at differentiating an individual, simply because the force behind it is stronger. The comparison to 'propaganda writing' is slightly flawed in that it applies slightly differently, and doesn't match the simple 'man-to-man' insult. .in fact I think it weakens it slightly. Now, I think we've gone a wee bit far on this one. I luckily have a rule that throws everything associated with this newsgroup in it's own folder. . I'm sure those that haven't are getting frustrated by this argument. If anyone needs help there, I'm no expert but I can wing it and wouldn't mind helping. It was a fun debate, but I think we've gone beyond beating a dead horse and should stop dragging it behind the truck - -Me Scorchy Wrote-- >You'll read my reply on the power of written and spoken word. Our language >is the most powerful tool we have to communicate our thoughts, ask a >responsible, intelligent person if he enjoys being referred to in casual >conversation as a kike, wop, polack, nigger, sand nigger, red, chink, by his >equals, and see what his reply is. The damage you can do may not be >immediately noticeable, but trust me, every time you use one of these words, >you not only hurt yourself, but you cause incredible damage to others. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:10:27 PST From: "Poet-Girl ." Subject: NPR: Gay/bi/lesbian to all who care: Ok so here'm my first public announcement......I'm bisexual.....I know that I have been ever since I was a child....and as far as everyone talking about the issue of being gay I though I would put my two cents in! I hate it when people think that just because you are gay means like you are going to like corrupt their children or give them some deadly disease...People like that really PISS me off!!! Take my High school for example(actually I left to go to a jr college)....but these past four year while I was their I had to endure many things! The football players cornering you in the hall and slamming you into a wall calling you thinkgs like "Dyke" or "Aids fucker" To have people come up and ask you things about your personal life...like did I screw so and so.....H.S. is the worst place to be out of the closet and especially my H%2eS%2e.... People can be so cruel! That is why when someone uses the phrase "that is so gay" It really offends me....does that mean that because I"m gay there is something wrong with me? No there's nothing wrong with me...it's only the fucked up people that have have their heads up their asses!!!! I'm sorry if anyone finds my words offensive..but this is the way that I feel...and I think that people should know how it makes others with my view feel when someone will say that something is gay...!!! Please send any replies or flames to me poe69@hotmail.com otherwise known as shauna "yOu CaN't TaLk To a PsYcHo LiKe A nOrMaL hUmAn BeInG" -PoE "I just swallow words like a placebo" -Brian molko "Nothing in your closest bad enough to keep you all alone"-annie.D "Since I was born I started to decay" -Placebo Shauna Mork http://www.best.com/~mork/shaframe.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:14:02 -0800 From: "CockyŽ" Subject: Lighten up Words are simply the way that we express our feelings or history. The words we choose are used to bring specific ideas into peoples minds, its the meaning behind the words that we have to look at. Cussing, deflaminations, name calling is done for a specific purpose. People need stop looking at the words and look at the underlying purpose of these words. "Sticks and Stones may brake my bones, but words can never hurt me." "Stop being a pussy and step to the pump." CAL 1992 Cocky=AE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:14:28 EST From: DowNINit x Subject: the origin of the word...... FUCK!! i have no clue but i know it stands for ' For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge ' my two cents Amy =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:24:09 -0500 From: Robby Black Subject: Re: Lighten up > "Sticks and Stones may brake my bones, but words can never > >hurt me." Or as POE puts it in "Rise and Shine" "Sticks and stones have broken my bones, but words hurt even more." later robby - -- Robby Black robby@poe.org http://www.laff.org <--Vist Levar-and-Friends-Fund *Enjoy life or it will enjoy you* ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 1997 13:48:33 -0700 From: "PadmaT" Subject: RE: NPR: the origin of the word...... According to Webster's: "...akin to Middle Dutch "fokken" to thrust, copulate with, from Swedish dialect "focka" to copulate with, strike, from "fock" penis." _______________________________________________________________________________ From: DowNINit x on Tue, Dec 16, 1997 1:43 PM Subject: the origin of the word...... To: angry-psychos@smoe.org FUCK!! i have no clue but i know it stands for ' For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge ' my two cents Amy =) - ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mail.rmc.org with ADMIN;16 Dec 1997 13:43:37 -0700 Received: from jane.smoe.org (majordom@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by relay1.shore.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA23806; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:30:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-listq-jane) id PAA09812; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:28:44 -0500 Received: by jane.smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:28:43 -0500 Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-listq-jane) id PAA09683; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:17:54 -0500 Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.175]) by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-daemon-mode-relay2) with SMTP id PAA09679 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:17:47 -0500 From: DowNINit x Message-ID: <31d39f9b.3496e16d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 15:14:28 EST To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: the origin of the word...... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:55:40 -0500 From: "Michele Santiago" Subject: my 15 seconds of fame I feel like a dork but I'm posting it anyway: OK we all know about the ComputerLife article on the angry-psychos...well...I wrote to the editors and it got published in the January issue. I feel silly and I can't even read my own print, cause they didn't edit it at all Well go hunt it down, the issue is only $1.99 so you have no excuse to wallpaper your house with my name! I'll have a scan of it up tomorrow. - --Michele (I didn't see Magazine Boy when he last updated the displays...I wanted to show this to him...wah) Michele Santiago, shell@poe.org The Spirit of Serramonte Will Never Die! ;D members.aol.com/VR5SBloom/psychovixen.html by FTP and by the {{{{{Web}}}}} VR.5 Viewer's Guide, POE discography, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Live 105 Mailing list for Hibernia Beach Live! hbeach-list-request@eskimo.com *And it's me, the man with no personality/Burning down your Christmas tree Blowing up bombs in the shopping mall/Mistletoe is going to fall* Local H, "Disgruntled Christmas" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:46:03, -0500 From: YEEL96E@prodigy.com (OO LALA) Subject: Re: A message oolala <---- Polack/Vato cross. :) ____ - ------------------------------------ oolala@aros.net ICQ #4740929 http://www.arosnet.com/~oolala ------------------------------------- visit The Kobran Imperium BBS 1.801.265.1299 ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:52:17, -0500 From: YEEL96E@prodigy.com (OO LALA) Subject: Stop the madness! :) >beating a dead horse you know, all this bickering has made me hungry... anyone have a good veal recipe? hehehehe... ____ - ------------------------------------ oolala@aros.net ICQ #4740929 http://www.arosnet.com/~oolala ------------------------------------- visit The Kobran Imperium BBS 1.801.265.1299 ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:49:16, -0500 From: YEEL96E@prodigy.com (OO LALA) Subject: NPR: Stop the madness! :) >beating a dead horse and >should stop dragging it behind the truck you know, when i read this i heard the simultaneous hurling of all the vegans on the list! ____ - ------------------------------------ oolala@aros.net ICQ #4740929 http://www.arosnet.com/~oolala ------------------------------------- visit The Kobran Imperium BBS 1.801.265.1299 ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 21:38:34 -0400 From: Anfrey Subject: RE: NPR: the origin of the word...... Hmm... i was told by this radio show it came from the german word "fligen" or something like that (i'm typing it phonetically) which means "to strike". anf At 01:48 PM 12/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >According to Webster's: > >"...akin to Middle Dutch "fokken" to thrust, copulate with, from Swedish >dialect "focka" to copulate with, strike, from "fock" penis." >___________________________________________________________________________ ____ >From: DowNINit x on Tue, Dec 16, 1997 1:43 PM >Subject: the origin of the word...... >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >FUCK!! i have no clue but i know it stands for ' For Unlawful Carnal >Knowledge ' > >my two cents > >Amy =) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:49:26 -0500 From: "s-p-g@poe.org" <73214.1142@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: NPR: dental procedures Yup....I've had teeth pulled. The experience is described best in the three tastes in my mouth: Water, novacaine, blood. :) silver pepper girl s-p-g@poe.org = ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:49:07 EST From: Fuchi81 Subject: Re: the origin of the word...... I was told once that FUCK comes from centuries ago. It is really a seveir form of rape, and it has lost it's origional meaning sarah ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V2 #401 ***********************************