From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V2 #308 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, September 16 1997 Volume 02 : Number 308 Today's Subjects: ----------------- censor..... [Cocky ] KPR: NPR's and things of such (plus a page) ["Angry Psycho" ] Re: the NPR debate - please read [DarthPepr@aol.com] NPR: THE PLAGUE (sp00k iz bak) ["edgarallen@poe.org" ] Re: NPR poll. [x-jiff-x@juno.com] NPR: Shit References [J Myers X] NPR: SCREAM Newsletter/Mailing List [Dustin Shelby ] NPR save a tree - eat a beaver NPR [YEEL96E@prodigy.com (R HILL)] Re: the NPR debate - please read ["Anthony Amato" ] no more NPR [jhelton@mail.vt.edu] Re: NPR: the circle of AP life [LORDBASTRD@aol.com] Re: Re: NPR: the circle of AP life [Flickergrl@aol.com] Backstage Online ["Evan E. Zelig" ] Re: NPR: the circle of AP life [x-jiff-x@juno.com] NPC Please Shut Up People [Casey Hansen ] NPR: Ahhh!!! The cycle!!! [Emily ] Re:NPC Please Shut Up People--Please read!! [Settngsuns@aol.com] Poe on loveline [Raven Moon Honey ] Re: NPR: Ahhh!!! The cycle!!! [jryskds@adnc.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:18:09 -0700 From: Cocky Subject: censor..... no one censors the list.. No one reads your letters and then decides wether or not they will be posted... The only form of censorship is the self-impossed censorship that is brought on by the guidelines we have been asked to follow... Peace to your mamma, Cocky=AE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:40:46 PDT From: "Angry Psycho" Subject: KPR: NPR's and things of such (plus a page) Question: What is this list about? What's it for? Answer: For the ANGRY PSYCHOS to communicate. That's what we've always done, and what we'll always do. If you don't like all these NPR's, get an e-mail program that will block any messages with NPR in the subject line! I could if I wanted too... but the point is, this list is for us to communicate things, spread information about things which we find are cool, Poe related or not. The reason it's dedicated to the ANGRY PSYCHOS is that no matter how many differences of opinion we have, we all have one thing in common that binds us. Our love for Poe, and her music. She is the people's performer. :) If we wanted to promote anything of our own like http://www.wvi.com/~macht/poe/index.html or something like that, then so be it. I HAVE SPOKEN. (now my fingers hurt) ~jason The future is a slut. She promises herself to everyone. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:48:09 -0700 From: Clint Doyle Subject: the NPR debate - please read As I don my flame retardent suit and foray into the great debate....... A couple of points. I joined this list in October 96 (the 27th to be exact), and the list is not the same now as it was then. Is this a good thing? I personally say no. It seems there are three "factions" of list members: the ones that want to flood the list with NPR. the ones that are 100% against NPR. the helpless few that are hear for Poe news, not an inbox full of off-topic threads/flames/fights. (can you guess my view on the whole matter?) Anyway, I believe that this list should contain NPR posts, but should not be consumed by them. The arguement seems to be that we are a family, and should post information about our likes and dislikes, and this that and everything...... I don't see the AP's as a family, I see us as a bunch of individuals. Period. Until we are a true PsYcHo family, the whole mailing list thing will just be a big fight. Before you post anything, remember to think of the other 400 people that will read your post. If it is something that should be made public, post it. If only certain people should know, or have shown an interest, send it to them...... I have seen a couple of lists work with very little artist related posts. The list rules state this very fact (Jewel and Sarah McLachlan spring to mind) But there are also very few flames, and flame wars are dealt with swiftly. Those lists are also "censored" in the sense that if topics get out of hand, a message is sent out saying so, and topics are filtered. And it works. A recent thread on the Jewel list was Jewel vs. Madonna. It was killed after a few too many posts. Is that censorship or list management?? I say list management. There are 1300 people on that list. So, flame away all you want, I am sure you will. Everything I post gets flamed. Maybe someday we can be a happy Angry PsYcHo family that can get along. And maybe some of the veteran AP's will come back, or delurk and start posting again. A concerned and frustrated Angry PsYcHo that likes the lack of mail because that means that there are no flame wars right now. Why can't we all just get along???? Where have all the PsYcHoS gone???? *sigh* Clint=A9 ********************************************************************** Clint Doyle, CNA | "And the license said you had to stick around hcdoyle@direct.ca | until I was dead, But if you're tired of hcdoyle@poe.org | looking at my face I guess I already am" cdoyle1@hotmail.com | "Divorce Song" - Liz Phair ***********************| "Called my momma, she was out for a walk Angry or PsYcHo | Consoled a cup of coffee on irc | but it didn't wanna talk" | "You Were Meant For Me" - Jewel ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: DarthPepr@aol.com Subject: Re: the NPR debate - please read >Maybe someday we can be a happy Angry PsYcHo family that can get along. >And maybe some of the veteran AP's will come back, or delurk and start >posting again. > >A concerned and frustrated Angry PsYcHo that likes the lack of mail >because that means that there are no flame wars right now. Why can't we >all just get along???? > >Where have all the PsYcHoS gone???? *sigh* >Clint=A9 I couldnt agree more with this... I have never been one to post much t= o the list, and have done so only when I had something of import to say. *= Dons his own flame-retardent suit* My reasons are simple... my time is limite= d and I certainly have better things to do then sit in front of my computer= and sift through tons of mail that have no bearing on anything useful or that consist of nothing more then a "me too" or "I agree" or so on. This is for now a forum for free speech, I say for now because one nev= er knows what the future holds. But like any privilege if it is abused it c= an be revoked. That is what this list is, what the APs are, the whole thing folks. A privilege... and at any moment we could find ourselves without = it. Would we like that? No, but I for one would go out there and keep on wit= h life... for there is more to it then this... I think that answers the question of where has everyone gone as well... like myself I would bet a great many of the psychos got sick of the endle= ss crap and went out and got themselves sane. Ive seen it happen in other groups and what we will find is the true pyschos that are able will be ba= ck in time.... I doubt we will all ever get along, but a little tolerance ca= n go a long way. Brad darthpepr@poe.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:21:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "edgarallen@poe.org" Subject: NPR: THE PLAGUE (sp00k iz bak) I'm not much of a "poster", and during the last "reconstruction" of poe.org I reverted to my previous favorite net activity, web surfing. I have also been absent from IRC compared to the amount of time I USED to devote to that activity. I will be l00kin 2 score some PsYcHo Chat at POE.ORG and on IRC US.DALNET #POEpit @ 1234am east - 230am east. H0Pe eYe C U !!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:50:04 -0400 From: x-jiff-x@juno.com Subject: Re: NPR poll. Let me guess: most people whom hate NPR wouldn't bother to respond... Most people wouldn't if they hated NPR.. Daiv - ----- Tugboat Annie - The Not-Quite Official Page - New Address! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/4998 On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:38:45 -0400 Ron writes: >If anyone remembers my little poll about the big NPR debate, here are >the results. In the way of a disclaimer I didn't have a huge number >of >responses (sixteen total FYI). And now the numbers! > >Number of "I like NPR" votes: 15 > >Number of "I hate NPR" votes: 1 > >I know the numbers seem extreme, but I swear I am not making this up, >if >anyone doubts this I will be happy to forward copies of the actual >sixteen emails I received. Also if anyone would like to add their >vote >on this issue (assuming you haven't already) I'll post the new >results. >In closing I do want to point out that most everyone that voted agreed >that it is very important to use NPR in the subject line just as a >matter of common courtesy. Also FYI about a third of the positive >responses were of the "I like NPR posts, but some of the debates go on >too long" variety, so do keep that in mind. >There it is for what its worth... Ciao` ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:51:39 -0400 From: J Myers X Subject: NPR: Shit References Jess Gilwee wrote: > > The list is Shit now....leave while you still aren't hurt by the > cruel truth. > Wow...the list is shit now?...damn...maybe I should unsubscribe? No, on second thought...maybe you should if you think it is shit. makes sense. If the list is "shit", then why haven't you unsubscribed? Don't get me wrong, It doesn't matter to me if you are here or not, but I am curious. I have been on this list a while, and ya it pisses me off sometimes, and sometimes i consider unsubscribing, BUT....I have met alot of awesome people through this "shitlist", and can basically go anywhere in the country and Canada (thanks Clint), and know someone. that is one advantage of this list. There are countless others, and I am sure if anyone is inclined, they too will help me to convey why the list is not "shit" to everyone. But shit stinks. And if I was in the middle of "shit", I think I'd find a way out instead of wallowing in it. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:53:18 -0400 From: Dustin Shelby Subject: NPR: SCREAM Newsletter/Mailing List Hey peoples! Im starting a SCREAM Newsletter/Mailing List if you want to subscribe, e-mail me! =============== Dustin Shelby webmaster@cantnot.org http://www.cantnot.org/ The CANTNOT.ORG Search Engine http://www.cantnot.org/database/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:03:19 -0400 (EDT) From: PurfictLuv@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: the circle of AP life ok i know it was said just to start something, but im gonna respond anyway. vegetarians are kewl. it takes guts to be one and will power. oh and if a vegetarian just happens to be druggies than thats there business. *cackle* captain connie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:51:19 -0400 From: "Anthony Amato" Subject: Re: NPR: the circle of AP life For the record, the list is not being censored by any means. The only mail that I try to stop from coming to the AP List is chain letters like Jess Gilwee tries to send. She is lucky that I didn't boot her off the after she tried to send chain messages to the AP List on two separate occasions. Anthony Amato On 14 Sep 97 at 19:55, Jess Gilwee wrote: :P >7. Amato is forced to remind everyone about the mailing list :P >"rules" everyone was mailed when they joined. Noone listens to :P >that either. :P :P :P Amato is also censoring stuff that doesn't need it. He is not :P letting simple things get on the list due to his petty :P indifferences. Take this into thought when you wonder "Why didn't :P my post get on the list?" :P :P Punk~Bitch :P JEss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:02:14, -0500 From: YEEL96E@prodigy.com (R HILL) Subject: NPR save a tree - eat a beaver NPR >ok i know it was said just to start something, but im gonna respond anyway. >vegetarians are kewl. it takes guts to be one and will power. oh and if a >vegetarian just happens to be druggies than thats there business. *cackle* can you say, "levity?" i knew you could! - - evil rose. ____ "so many idiots, too few comets..." - ------------------------------------- weeps4none@juno.com http://www.angelfire.com/ut/weeps4none - ------------------------------------- visit The Kobran Imperium BBS 1.801.265.1299 - ------------------------------------------------------------- "have i forgotten to flame someone today?" - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:01:53 -0400 From: "Anthony Amato" Subject: Re: the NPR debate - please read Thank you Clint, I could not have said it better myself. On 15 Sep 97 at 0:48, Clint Doyle wrote: :P As I don my flame retardent suit and foray into the great :P debate....... :P :P A couple of points. I joined this list in October 96 (the 27th to :P be exact), and the list is not the same now as it was then. Is :P this a good thing? I personally say no. :P :P It seems there are three "factions" of list members: :P the ones that want to flood the list with NPR. :P the ones that are 100% against NPR. :P the helpless few that are hear for Poe news, not an inbox full :P of :P off-topic threads/flames/fights. :P (can you guess my view on the whole matter?) :P :P Anyway, I believe that this list should contain NPR posts, but :P should not be consumed by them. The arguement seems to be that we :P are a family, and should post information about our likes and :P dislikes, and this that and everything...... I don't see the AP's :P as a family, I see us as a bunch of individuals. Period. Until we :P are a true PsYcHo family, the whole mailing list thing will just be :P a big fight. :P :P Before you post anything, remember to think of the other 400 people :P that will read your post. If it is something that should be made :P public, post it. If only certain people should know, or have shown :P an interest, send it to them...... I have seen a couple of lists :P work with very little artist related posts. The list rules state :P this very fact (Jewel and Sarah McLachlan spring to mind) But :P there are also very few flames, and flame wars are dealt with :P swiftly. Those lists are also "censored" in the sense that if :P topics get out of hand, a message is sent out saying so, and topics :P are filtered. And it works. A recent thread on the Jewel list was :P Jewel vs. Madonna. It was killed after a few too many posts. Is :P that censorship or list management?? I say list management. There :P are 1300 people on that list. :P :P So, flame away all you want, I am sure you will. Everything I post :P gets flamed. :P :P Maybe someday we can be a happy Angry PsYcHo family that can get :P along. And maybe some of the veteran AP's will come back, or delurk :P and start posting again. :P :P A concerned and frustrated Angry PsYcHo that likes the lack of mail :P because that means that there are no flame wars right now. Why :P can't we all just get along???? :P :P Where have all the PsYcHoS gone???? *sigh* :P Clintc Take care, Amato | Anthony Amato / amato@dti.net / amato@poe.org / | Angry Pyschos -- The Poe Mailing List | | angry-psychos-request@smoe.org | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:29:54 -0400 From: jhelton@mail.vt.edu Subject: no more NPR if you don't like NPR stuff, deal with it.... you can get a freeware program called Pegasus at the below URL. It is the latest version. It is a great program. I use it myself. ftp://angry:psycho@198.82.69.90/w32-254.exe I can give very specific directions on how to filter NPR's to anybody who would like me to. Thanks, Jason "Had they but courage equal to desire" - W B Yeats Mithrandir (Jason) Myth GreenKnight & BeastMinion jhelton@vt.edu evergreen@poe.org AP LOVE!!! "Had they but courage equal to desire" - W B Yeats Mithrandir (Jason) Myth GreenKnight & BeastMinion jhelton@vt.edu evergreen@poe.org AP LOVE!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:31:13 -0400 From: LORDBASTRD@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: the circle of AP life In a message dated 97-09-14 18:38:44 EDT, you write: << HA HA HA HA HA Yeah you just gotta love our fellow psychos. I say again this is the angry-psychos mailing list not the poe mailing list. This is a mailing list not a News Letter. If NPR's are that bad for you unsubscribe for 2 or 3 days till the debate goes down obviously the cycles of these debates are so predictable. I've been on here for a long time and agree about the whole cycle thing I've seen someone say something started laughing your gonna get it or you'll be sorry. Ha Ha and sure enough the cycle begins. Now I agree Lots of people could respond privately,but sometimes some points have to be made public. Like this one maybe I should have responded privately,but I felt I needed to make this point to everyone. Anyways I love everything about psychos even the annoying stuff. I feel the list is just fine if some people just want poe info as I said before join a newsletter or create one. Although this list is about spreading word of poe it is not just a facts only of her it's a family of people called the angry psychos. Being a family means we don't all agree and thus their will be debates and arguments. Love all the psychos even those I don't agree with and although we may get hostile towards eachother on some subjects,never stop remembering that Love. Lord Lonnie >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:32:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Flickergrl@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: NPR: the circle of AP life AMATO IS COOL, OK? without him there would be no ANGRY-PSYCHO list. ANYONE WHO HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT CAN E-MAIL ME PRIVATELY. ~*brette In a message dated 9/16/97 12:28:57 AM, you wrote: >For the record, the list is not being censored by any means. The only >mail that I try to stop from coming to the AP List is chain letters >like Jess Gilwee tries to send. She is lucky that I didn't boot her >off the after she tried to send chain messages to the AP List on two >separate occasions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:31:19 -0700 From: "Evan E. Zelig" Subject: Backstage Online - --- If you received this message in error, please forgive us! - --- Hey there Music Fans: Have you checked out Backstage Online lately? 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Daiv - ----- Tugboat Annie - The Not-Quite Official Page - New Address! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/4998 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:15:59 -0700 From: Casey Hansen Subject: NPC Please Shut Up People C'mon, what the hell are we arguing about? A bunch of you are saying nothing but a bunch of stupid crap! I mean, who cares if the number of posts is small! POE is not exactitally high in the news right now! Its called a Low period, and soon, she will be in the know, on tour a bunch of stuff that will make people want to contribute on this list, but for now all we are doing is bickering at each other because no one is saying anything! People are probably getting digests just full of hate mail! What the hell is that? So contribute, or shut up! Danke, Casey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:56:30 -0500 From: Emily Subject: NPR: Ahhh!!! The cycle!!! >ok i know it was said just to start something, but im gonna respond anyway. >vegetarians are kewl. it takes guts to be one and will power. oh and if a >vegetarian just happens to be druggies than thats there business. *cackle* > >captain connie AH!!! The Cycle!!! It has reared it's ugly head again! OK guys... let's see if we can't beat this thing. So noone, I repeat noone, fall into the trap and contribute to step 3 (outlined below in case you deleted my previous e-mail). Be Strong!!! THE STEPS 1. Someone makes some offhanded comment about something (lets say drugs for this example). I start cringing and get my finger warmed up on the delete key. 2. Someone else takes that as a que to give a 300 word essay about how *they* feel about drugs. 3. That starts the whole cascade, as 50 people feel the need to contribute to how they feel on the matter. emily (who is not censoring anyone (so don't freak out), just trying to be cute) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:03:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Settngsuns@aol.com Subject: Re:NPC Please Shut Up People--Please read!! << C'mon, what the hell are we arguing about? A bunch of you are saying nothing but a bunch of stupid crap! I mean, who cares if the number of posts is small! POE is not exactitally high in the news right now! Its called a Low period, and soon, she will be in the know, on tour a bunch of stuff that will make people want to contribute on this list, but for now all we are doing is bickering at each other because no one is saying anything! People are probably getting digests just full of hate mail! What the hell is that? So contribute, or shut up! Danke, Casey >> I must say i agree with Casey. i mean geez i have been on the list for like 7 months and most of the time all i hear about are littl NPRs that have NO place on the list. please please let it be about POE or just do without this. We get topics on here that never end..God, why do tired and NPR subjects have to be exhausted? POE is the greatest thats why we are on here, to hear about POE not dust bunnies, or smashing pumpkins(although they are cool), Liz phair, or anything else! i mean POE is the person we are paying homage to, why cant we do what we are here for? that is Show how much we love POE and her talent as a musician and singer. If most of you have me now. then fine, but most of you will see what i mean...along with what Casey means...so please before you post an NPR think about why this list is here in the *first place*. Laters, Carol. P.S. If you choose to flame me or anything, go ahead...there is logic to madness. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It hurts me when a woman doesn't come through for me, more than a man." - -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:38:50 -0500 From: Raven Moon Honey Subject: Poe on loveline Before I ask my question, I'd just like to say that I've only been "lurking" (for a few months) because I'm rarely home and when I am home, I'm doing 15 million other things. That. and Poe hasn't been in St. Louis for about a year now, so I don't really have any new interesting stories. Having said that, there was an episode of Loveline on a few weeks ago with Poe on it and she was wearing a shirt that said "Mummy, what's a sex pistol?" I just wanted to know if that was a new episode or a really old one. Thanks Raven Moon Honey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:06:33 -0700 From: jryskds@adnc.com Subject: Re: NPR: Ahhh!!! The cycle!!! Isn't a "vegetarian" druggie an oxymoron? or just a plain moron? or at least a hypocrite? semi-annual $0.02 from me. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V2 #308 ***********************************