From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V2 #262 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, August 4 1997 Volume 02 : Number 262 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: POE in the world- -d0h!- [that psycho ward dude ] Re: POE in the world [radiof@pipeline.com] Re: poe in the world [GaulAiel@aol.com] Proud to be an Angry Psycho! [JEL88@aol.com] Re: poe in the world [JEL88@aol.com] Re: POE in the world [SFPooh@aol.com] Re: POE in the world [x-jiff-x@juno.com] Re: poe in the world [x-jiff-x@juno.com] Kristyna@POE.org ?????? [Ryan Everett ] Re: poe in the world ["Chris Ajello" ] Re: poe in the world [Bobby Kolling ] Re: Car Pool from Marin to POE Fest? ["POE.ORG" ] Re: poe in the world ["Hermes Pan" ] Re: POE in the world [Jarrod ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 23:32:16 -0600 From: that psycho ward dude Subject: Re: POE in the world- -d0h!- Weeeeellll now. It's waaay too soon to use the words one hit wonder and you know who in the same sentence. Poe roqs! She has only one cd which sold over one million 'units'(with several hits ),is gaining more fans everyday , and is working on her next cd as we speak . I predict it will be quite successful . Can you say Platinum ? She will ( i assume) tour to support the new material and continues to inspire awe and admiration from adoring fans like myself and will be as ' big ' as she wants to or possibly even bigger . (This just in- 40ft. Poe eats yammit/slvr-someone and casey somebuddy all while slammin' a Dew.) She just got done with a big tour and is working hard on the next one and I for one can hardly wait . I think Poe will be around for quite some time ... Just ramblin, that psycho ward dude ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 02:31:58 -0400 (EDT) From: GaulAiel@aol.com Subject: Re: POE in the world In a message dated 97-08-03 02:01:00 EDT, 73214.1142@compuserve.com (yamit/silvr peppr) writes: << What's her one hit? I seem to remember hearing two of her songs on the radio here in New York (the band versions of "Angry Johnny" and "Hello"), and hearing about another one of her songs making it big in other markets ("Trigger Happy Jack"). I must say, though, she did come and go pretty quick.... >> This is good, though... she has had success, yet hasn't had so much so that she relaxes. It pretty much guarantees us a kick @$$ album next time around. Most artists tend to fade once they get their huge record, but I think Poe will be different. She's too cool to fade away on us. With our support she will always be successful. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 01:42:30 -0500 From: Greg Luhman Subject: re: poe in the world I dunno, I think most bands out today only receive limited air play for a short time. There are so many bands releasing "alternative" music that none of them stick around on the air for very long. I used to hear Going the Distance by Cake about eight times a day now I never hear it. Tracy Bonham's Mother Mother tune was on the radio all the time for about four months. This trend is very similar to hair metal in the late eighties. There were so many bands with one or two songs that the industry couldn't support them and most of all the listners got sick of hearing the same type of stuff all the time. Nirvana came along and the record company started to push all of the alternative types of bands. I think the same thing is happening now. The one thing about it is that record companies haven't found the new sound to replace alternative. Perhaps ambient or "electronica" as MTV has dubbed it will take over. your guess is as good as mine. I do think that POE will be around for awhile. Her music is a mix of things such as alternative and an ambient/electronic sound. Besides POE is the most intellegent artist I have seen come along in awhile ( she's right up there with Henery Rollins in many ways) I think she can take care of herself. And he Fans are PSYCHO about her. I would not be suprised to see her start her own record lable in the future. The really sad part of the music industry is that it refuses to support more than one type of music at one period of time. Why can't Atlantic of whatever record company get behind an artist like POE and at the same time support an act like Dokken ( or someone similar or another style compleatly different)? They just flood the market with "alternative" cookie cutter carbon copy bands and let the really original acts such as POE scrap away by themselves. Well who knows thats just my take on the whole thing. GREG LUHMAN - -- Greg Luhman Has Found your mailbox Find Greg at gluhman@rrnet.com "I fear not tomorrow because I have seen yesterday and I live today." Tim Bowe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 02:45:18 +0000 From: radiof@pipeline.com Subject: Re: POE in the world Atlantic wont drop her since her album went gold.. and is still selling well.... They did Drop my friends band Orange 9mm but they sound like 2 albums or something... > Is POE like a one hit wonder, I mean I'm totally into her and I know > everyone else is, but like, she dosen't make like the biggest splash > outside of us, if this trend continues, will Atlantic like drop her? > Because that would totally suck! > > Just voiceing my concern > > Danke, > Casey > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:37:59 -0400 (EDT) From: GaulAiel@aol.com Subject: Re: poe in the world In a message dated 97-08-03 03:22:30 EDT, gluhman@rrnet.com (Greg Luhman) writes: << The one thing about it is that record companies haven't found the new sound to replace alternative. Perhaps ambient or "electronica" as MTV has dubbed it will take over. your guess is as good as mine. >> 'Electronica' is not the answer, and the record companies and MTV both are deluding themselves if they think that will be their savior. Pop music is and will continue to come back in a big way. Alternative is not dead, although grunge is. The problem with record companies, is that they haven't found a new medium that they can sucker us into buying. Nearly everyone has cdplayers and cd's now... their music catalogs are re-stocked, and they have no need to spend a huge amount of money on any new technology. How much better sound quality can you get after the cd? Certainly not enough to make it worth scrapping all your cd's and replacing them with the new medium. Couple this with the fact that, as you said, there are so many 'cookie-cutter' alterna-bands out there that have one hit song and they're through. They're not making good albums, they're making a single with filler. Then you have the mainstays (Pearl Jam, REM, etc,,,) that just aren't writing good albums anymore. Pearl Jam hasn't written a good album since Ten, and all the good songs on the newer albums were written way back then. This is how it is. Record companies are filled with bumbling idiots in management... that much is obvious, and right now they're panicking. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:05:04 -0400 (EDT) From: JEL88@aol.com Subject: Proud to be an Angry Psycho! I'm Jessie from near NYC, I'm 16 and I first heard Poe's "Angry Johnny" on some late night MTV show last August. A friend of mine had her CD and I listened to some of her other songs and liked them, so I bought the CD myself and now I'm addicted! I also like Fiona Apple, The Prodigy, Republica, Garbage, Jewel, Blondie, Tori Amos, Beck, Jamiroquai, Indigo Girls, Sublime, Orbital, Tricky, The Beatles, Tracy Chapman, 311, Nirvana, Cake, Daft Punk and Ani DiFranco, among others.....Poe is one of my all-time favorites! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 13:58:58 -0400 (EDT) From: JEL88@aol.com Subject: Re: poe in the world i totally agree with this because the industry is trying to market electronica- techno, ambient, and trip hop- as the new sound of the generation, but too many people think of electronica as machine-generated noise... and although i like certain electronica artists, i have to agree. music is supposed to be an expression of oneself, and i don't think much of the synthesizer in terms of aesthetic value. the lyrics of a song and the way a song is sung is what makes music so powerful. but a lot of people don't understand the artistic value of a lot of really deep and emotional music, which is why your standard pop-rock will never die. people like music with a catchy tune they can sing along to, no matter how annoyingly meaningless the lyrics are. how else would a group like hanson make it so big? the problem with alternative is that it is just a name with no definite meaning; there are no qualities that makes a certain artist's music "alternative." it was a term coined in the 80's for any kind of music that didn't fit within the guidelines of either heavy metal or technopop, the ruling musical genres of the decade; or your standard hard rock of the 60's and 70's. well, now we're at the end of the 90's, and almost every new artist fits the criteria for being labeled "alternative," making alternative music the norm- which is a total oxymoron. which is why people have taken to synthesizers and mixing tables more and more recently- someone's already done every possible thing there is to be done with standard instruments. sometimes the machine takes over and hence the birth of electronica... but there are artists- poe, for example, and garbage- who have managed to create a harmonious blend of manmade music and machine generated sound that has the catchy tune and beat of pop music but has the aesthetic quality of a true artist, mixed with the modern edge of electronica- a combination which can be considered truly "alternative." to me, poe represents creativity, and in a subtle way, i think she is one of the most revolutionary artists of our time. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 15:55:18 -0400 (EDT) From: SFPooh@aol.com Subject: Re: POE in the world Hey Everybody I don't think POE went and gone very quick at all. Just like any artist during the initial months of an album launch they are played a lot. But as new albums are released , they get the play. POE had many "hits" and her FIRST album went GOLD. I here more POE played on the radio than other "new" big releases such as U2's FLOP, uh, i mean POP tour. You can't judge a one hit wonder by an artists first album. If POE's new album is released and is a flop then one hit wonder discussions may be justified but at this point POE is the furthest thing from a one hit wonder. APLuv Shawn shawn@poe.org sfpooh@aol.com In a message dated 97-08-03 01:58:07 EDT, you write: << What's her one hit? I seem to remember hearing two of her songs on the radio here in New York (the band versions of "Angry Johnny" and "Hello"), and hearing about another one of her songs making it big in other markets ("Trigger Happy Jack"). I must say, though, she did come and go pretty quick.... silver pepper girl >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 00:40:17 -0400 From: x-jiff-x@juno.com Subject: Re: POE in the world still though, it is possible to be a one-album wonder... many bands pull that off... i hope she isn't, but it is a possibiliy... Daiv ((have you listened to Tugboat Annie today?)) - ----- Tugboat Annie - The Not-Quite Official Page - New Address! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/4998 On Sat, 2 Aug 1997 21:51:38 -0400 yamit/silvr peppr <73214.1142@compuserve.com> writes: >What's her one hit? I seem to remember hearing two of her songs on >the >radio here in New York (the band versions of "Angry Johnny" and >"Hello"),= > >and hearing about another one of her songs making it big in other >markets= > >("Trigger Happy Jack"). = > >I must say, though, she did come and go pretty quick.... > >silver pepper girl = > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:45:29 -0400 From: x-jiff-x@juno.com Subject: Re: poe in the world On Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:37:59 -0400 (EDT) GaulAiel@aol.com writes: >They're not making good albums, they're making a single with >filler. Then you have the mainstays (Pearl Jam, REM, etc,,,) that just >aren't writing good albums anymore. Pearl Jam hasn't written a good >album since Ten, and all the good songs on the newer albums were >written way back then. sorry to get off poe here, but how do you figure pearl jam hasn't released a good album since ten? vs. and vitalogy have sold better/month availble, and most people that listen to full albums, and not just the 3 songs that a band is contractually obligated to release as singles, realize that the recent albums are better... (only ONE pearl jam song released after ten was written before 1992, and that's betterman.) for people that didn't notice, the "commercial flop" No Code outsold U2's "smash hit" Pop in first week sales by tens of thousands. (most magazines/commercial radio stations are clueless... some are good, but many couldn't think for themselves to save their lives. it's the American Lemming mentality...) mail me privately, since most of the list probably doesn't care... Daiv ((have you listened to indi rock today?)) - ----- Tugboat Annie - The Not-Quite Official Page - New Address! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/4998 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:56:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan Everett Subject: Kristyna@POE.org ?????? If Kristyna@poe.org is out there (possibly wrong spelling) could you drop me a line??? Thanks, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 17:52:20 -0700 From: "Chris Ajello" Subject: Re: poe in the world >of them stick around on the air for very long. I used to hear Going the >Distance by Cake about eight times a day now I never hear it. Tracy >Bonham's Mother Mother tune was on the radio all the time for about four >months. This trend is very similar to hair metal in the late eighties. >There were so many bands with one or two songs that the industry >couldn't support them and most of all the listners got sick of hearing >the same type of stuff all the time Actually, that trend is somewhat common. Many artists and bands only come up with one hit song, and then the band fades away. Tracy Bonham was a one-song artist as well. The rest of her CD, well, kinda sucked. A really good example is Reel Big Fish, with their song "Sell Out." The CD as a whole is awesome, but I'll never find more of their stuff, 'cause they're gone! As for Cake, you're forgetting that he's been getting a LOT of airplay, at least around here, where they first played-out "Going the Distance," then moved onto "Sinatra," and then killed off "I will survive." The main problem I see with music media groups is that they are too trendy! They take anything good and play it to death. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 97 21:48:31 -0400 From: Bobby Kolling Subject: Re: poe in the world >Actually, that trend is somewhat common. Many artists and bands only come >up with one hit song, and then the band fades away. Tracy Bonham was a >one-song artist as well. The rest of her CD, well, kinda sucked. A really >good example is Reel Big Fish, with their song "Sell Out." The CD as a >whole is awesome, but I'll never find more of their stuff, 'cause they're >gone! You would be suprised about some artists. Better Than Ezra I expected as a one hit, or even The Presidents of the United States of America. But they're both still around and still good. I would think that Poe's new album will either be very popular or end up like the Seven Mary Three album. At first they were good, and now, after a new album, they suck. Oh yeah, and for Reel Big Fish, who else out there thinks that they won't be coming back? The ska sound is getting rather popular, MTV is noticing others like The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, and they play more ska on my alternative music station. Who knows! - -Bobby - --- Bobby Kolling The Mac Savvy www.macsavvy.com - --- Life is one big competition. If someone is better than you at something, either pretend it's not true or kick their ass. - --- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 20:13:17 -0700 (MST) From: "POE.ORG" Subject: Re: Car Pool from Marin to POE Fest? Cant wait to see you! Jarrod ThisIsToEverybody@poe.org On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Clay Ver Valen wrote: > I've got a minivan that can take up to 7 people. I'm planning to leave for Monterey from Corte Madera around 2 to 2:30. If you're interested in car pooling, send me email. > > - Clay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Knox [SMTP:rogerk@mbay.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 1997 8:34 AM > To: BYRNES3@webtv.net; entropy@praxix.net; Seric@Seric.com; badkitty@toetag.com; Sorrow@poe.org; Jono4st@aol.com; motita@msn.com; jragon@clark.net; tonycu@anet-stl.com; Jarrod@poe.org; lyza@lyza.com; JCapriotti@directs.com; plangley@RohmElectronics.com; Clayv@softscore.com; loser@ucdavis.edu; amato@poe.org; mod@poe.org; TrentDep@aol.com > Subject: Poe Fest!!! > > Okay Psycho party people, > > If you got this email, I am assuming you will be here Saturday, August 9 > at 4pm! > > Quite simply, once you are in Monterey, get to the intersection of > Fremont > St and Airport Road (in north Monterey). Whatever way you come from, go > up > Airport Road past the Long's drug store. The 3rd street on the right is > Fern. If you are driving your own vehicle or a rental...park on Airport > Road!!! We live on a small cul-de-sac and parking there will be > extremely > limited. There are only 5 houses on this cul-de-sac, ours is 5 Fern. > > YOU CAN'T MISS IT...TRUST ME. > > Our phone number is (408) 646-1737. I'll post this again. If you need > detailed directions from outside the area, email me. > > Roger > wayexcited@poe.org > > Regional Coordinator, West Coast Angry-Psychos > rogerk@mbay.net > rogerk@poe.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 20:37:50 PDT From: "Hermes Pan" Subject: Re: poe in the world hehe right on the record labels dont know what to do. but this is good in that their giveing other less listened to 'ganras' a try to look for the next big market. this electronica things gone in my mind it stoped when british tekno bands started picking up guitars and calling it new. excuse me but us americans have had many bands sounding like that already. skinny puppy or sister machine gun ring a bell. well anyhoo where the hell is my poe.org forwarding. jarred (or whoever) i applied a week and a half ago and still havent got anything. oh garbage and artificial joy club (small cnadian band GOOD album on tour now) kick ass. - -hermes pan the weird POE fan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 21:01:33 -0700 (MST) From: Jarrod Subject: Re: POE in the world Are we talking about POE? :-] On Sun, 3 Aug 1997 x-jiff-x@juno.com wrote: > > still though, it is possible to be a one-album wonder... many bands pull > that off... i hope she isn't, but it is a possibiliy... > > Daiv > ((have you listened to Tugboat Annie today?)) > ----- > Tugboat Annie - The Not-Quite Official Page - New Address! > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/4998 > > On Sat, 2 Aug 1997 21:51:38 -0400 yamit/silvr peppr > <73214.1142@compuserve.com> writes: > >What's her one hit? I seem to remember hearing two of her songs on > >the > >radio here in New York (the band versions of "Angry Johnny" and > >"Hello"),= > > > >and hearing about another one of her songs making it big in other > >markets= > > > >("Trigger Happy Jack"). = > > > >I must say, though, she did come and go pretty quick.... > > > >silver pepper girl = > > > > > -- POE chooses to be with us. The possibility of Angry-Psychos... "For us to be with POE." www.poe.org ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V2 #262 ***********************************