From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V2 #237 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, July 14 1997 Volume 02 : Number 237 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NPR: Angst and the Meredith Brooks song [Malyson@aol.com] HMMMM... [BYRNES3@webtv.net (Max)] NPR: AOL [Malyson@aol.com] Re: Girls VS Boys [YEEL96E@prodigy.com (R HILL)] HMMMM... [YEEL96E@prodigy.com (R HILL)] Re: Girls VS Boys [Landon Beadle ] Re: HMMMM... [Ron ] Re: this list.... [Chris Ajello ] NPR: IRC alive&well #POEpit/#Angry-Psychos us.dal.net ["sp00k@poe.org" ] ponder. [Jason M Crawford ] Re: NPR: Alanis/Poe/anger/popularity [Cocky ] poe st. [Jennifer Wilhelm ] Re: Poe In Yahoo Internet Life [SFPooh@aol.com] Re: NPR: AOL [SFPooh@aol.com] Mark's New Book [SFPooh@aol.com] RE: poe st. ["PadmaT" ] Re: NPR: Alanis/Poe/anger/popularity [Ron ] Mark's New Book [YEEL96E@prodigy.com (R HILL)] Angry Chick [Jezebel144@aol.com] Fwd: NPR: AOL [Angrygirly@aol.com] Re: NPR: AOL [Jezebel144@aol.com] NPR: Contact (do NOT reply to this list) ["Lawrence J. Kim" ] All you Angry Chicks out there ["Chris Ajello" ] RE: Angry Chicks=marketing ploy ["PadmaT" ] Re: Girls VS Boys ["danradloff" ] Re: ponder. ["danradloff" ] aol members [Landon Beadle ] Re: NPR: Contact (do NOT reply to this list) [Landon Beadle ] what happened? [Landon Beadle ] Re: Angry Chicks=marketing ploy [Landon Beadle ] re : angry chicks a marketing ploy ? [ward ] marketing marketing [zzmizutay@winthrop.edu] NPR: RE: marketing marketing ["PadmaT" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:35:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Malyson@aol.com Subject: NPR: Angst and the Meredith Brooks song Dear APs, hello all. I just wanted to say 2 things. 1. First is that I got the Meredith Brooks CD and after the first time I listened to it the only song I listen to and plan on listening to is Bitch. 2. Is it is just me or is this whole conversation about the "are you strong enought to be my man" getting Sheryl Crow in your head? OK, that is all I have to say for now. I'll write again eventually. *ap love*, Lynsey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:55:44 -0700 From: BYRNES3@webtv.net (Max) Subject: HMMMM... If...and if is the key word here....If Poe is labeled as an angry chick singer, what does that make Evil Poe? That is a double negative, so my guess would be that her songs would come out sounding like something by Wilson Philips. Max Sarcomax@poe.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 02:11:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Malyson@aol.com Subject: NPR: AOL Hello People! Does anyone have a list of all of the APs with AOL? Thanks. Bye! love, Lynsey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 03:09:43, -0500 From: YEEL96E@prodigy.com (R HILL) Subject: Re: Girls VS Boys >ye-ah! now on to better things, forget all that boring non- controversy, >there are real things at stake here... Like all those damn killer robots >that are invading our homes!!!! IT'S ALL A PLOY TO RID US OF GO FISH!!!! >don't let them in, even if they don't look like killer robots, then >they're LandSharks!!!! Don't open the door, even if they say it's a >CANDYGRAM. I mean, Gilda Radner did, do you see her around lately? landon? i seriously think you're part of an evil subterfuge geared toward forcing us all to accept the demon-spawned game of "go fish!" you know as well as i that this game exhibits the same motions as orthodox pagan nude tarot readings and slap jack - another evil card game used to undermine Hoyle's authority in this country! the killer robots are just a diversion - i repeat - the killer robots are just a diversion! landsharks my butt! now, the cowboys of moo mesa are a different story... - - rose, QUICKLY returning the soapbox before someone notices! ____ "so many idiots, too few comets..." - ------------------------------------- yeel96e@prodigy.com, 'cause juno f'ed-up my mail account somehow! - ------------------------------------- http://www.angelfire.com/ut/weeps4none "always under construction!" (please pardon the weak pages at angelfire - my awesome original site was wiped out in the great angelfire disk crash of '97) - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 03:14:39, -0500 From: YEEL96E@prodigy.com (R HILL) Subject: HMMMM... >If...and if is the key word here....If Poe is labeled as an angry chick >singer, what does that make Evil Poe? That is a double negative, so my >guess would be that her songs would come out sounding like something by >Wilson Philips. aaaaaaarrrrrrrgggghhhhhh! nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! ;-) rose, pondering the horror of it all. ____ "so many idiots, too few comets..." - ------------------------------------- yeel96e@prodigy.com, 'cause juno f'ed-up my mail account somehow! - ------------------------------------- http://www.angelfire.com/ut/weeps4none "always under construction!" (please pardon the weak pages at angelfire - my awesome original site was wiped out in the great angelfire disk crash of '97) - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 02:31:11 -0500 From: Landon Beadle Subject: Re: Girls VS Boys "KNOCK KNOCK" who's there? "Mail man" it's sunday! "Telegram" at this hour? "candygram" Ohhhhh, why didn't you say so? (UNLOCKS DOOR) AHHHH!!!! LANDSHARK!!!!! (CHOMP) don't let this happen to you.... when you play GO FISH, play with others.... if you try to play by yourself, you may attract landsharks... Killer Robot's are another huge possibility.... they will stay away if you play go fish with others, they don't like group confrontations... They will stay away if you blast any of the following: Ska/Punk/Alternative/Goth/Industrial/Rock/and especially, GROOOOOOOVY tunes..... they will come if you play any of the following, regardless of noise level: Country/Spice Girls/Hanson/Rap/R&B And they are terribly afraid of skaters, you should all go out and buy a skateboard... the better you get, the more afraid they are. also known to be among these creatures: Moths.... those scary little icky buggy flying freaks are in this plot. As are Butterflies, they are just as icky... Kill them all! You have been warned. - -Landon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 03:58:17 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: HMMMM... I think you have hit upon something here, Wilson Philips is truly evil incarnate... Max wrote: > > If...and if is the key word here....If Poe is labeled as an angry chick > singer, what does that make Evil Poe? That is a double negative, so my > guess would be that her songs would come out sounding like something by > Wilson Philips. > > Max > > Sarcomax@poe.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:32:27 -0400 From: Chris Ajello Subject: Re: this list.... On Sun, 13 Jul 1997, Landon Beadle wrote: > So is this list officially the list of the battle of the sexes? >=20 > my veiw: Gen X preeeeeeeety much has gotten rid of the chauvanism, > while the baby boomers seem ta need work there... BUUUUUUUUT gen x > also seems now to have way too much of the reverse going on, why is > every guy being bashed for the subject heading "Angry Chick Singers" > when 1. it was a girl who started the name and 2. if you want, go > ahead and label some guys "angry chicks"... :=DE I don't think many > people are gonna get ticke= d > off if someone says "Angry dude singers" or sumthin like that... > Only other example of this reversyness thing is last i remember at > our school, if a guy made any contact whatsoever with a girl, > usually would be suspended or have inhouse (detention) for a few > days straight (through all classes), but a girl could totally jump > on a guy or anything, none of the teachers would care.=20 >=20 > SUMMED UP: Screw affirmative Action and such. IF there are people > degrading race, sex, whatever, punish them. don't make everyone > treat others different, if they wouldn't in the first place. >=20 > BUUUUUUUUUUT back to the main reason this list is here:=20 >=20 > GO FISH IS BETTER THAN CHESS!!!!! >=20 > -Landon >=20 That's sooo true. The ugly head of prejudice has turned its head to the far left. If only people would pull their heads out of their asses and see that they need to stop beating the nice guys over the head. If you wonder why some people grow to be cruel, then get your best friend to kick your ass a couple of times, and keep count on how long you can keep smiling about it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:32:12 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: NPR: IRC alive&well #POEpit/#Angry-Psychos us.dal.net Come and join a few of us regular IRC types on #POEpit or #Angry-Psychos both are registerd #'s which means that it is possible to keep people from outside the AP family from being a pain in the ass. If ya need IRC help please feel free to e-mail me. sp00k@poe.org http://www.frontiernet.net/~usscvn65 edgarallen@poe.org What the printing press was to the revolution of our country, so shall be the net to the changes coming to our times, Angry-Psychos, "tappin a code" ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 1997 08:31:01 -0600 From: "PadmaT" Subject: NPR: Alanis/Poe/anger/popularity Personally, I think those are right who say that Alanis was overplayed, though I benefit from the fact that I seldom listen to the radio and was, consequently, never on overload. I wish Poe the best, because I think she deserves it, and because I believe that what she has to say can move people. I don't "buy" the notion that popularity necessarily ruins an artist. The Beatles, for instance, put out their best stuff between 1966 and 1970, and I'll still defend them as the greatest rock/pop band of all time (though not my favorite--Jefferson Airplane holds that place). The Rolling Stones, too, boast many of rock and roll's truly "classic" hits, and deserve all the recognition they've received over the years. The notion that pushing "angry women" songs is a marketing technique is a valid notion--certainly, the record companies pay attention to sales. However, I also think the phenomenon is larger than mere marketing. For the first time in the history of rock music, women are dominating the charts, and for good reason. Women are finally "having their say". Sure, there were others--Grace Slick, Janis Joplin, Mama Cass, Patti Smith--who paved the way, but it's about time, I think, for a real show of force from a segment of the population that's been silenced for millenia, or (more recently) relegated to the position of mere mindless sex objects (the Spice Girls the most recent incarnation). The success of Alanis Morrissette (sp?), Bjork, Siouxsie, POE, and others, is due mostly to the intelligence of their lyrics, their unique aesthetic approaches, and the honest emotional thrust of their music. One question--why aren't male rock bands decried for writing "angry men" songs? Anger and passion are well-established in the rock and roll tradition, so why are women singled out when people criticize the message? The answer--mere (yawn) sexism, in another guise. A not-so-angry male, Padma ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 97 11:08:42 EDT From: Jason M Crawford Subject: ponder. Pardon me for typing above my quote... I can't fix it right now! Okay angry women aside... Why aren't there more male rock bands writing love songs? There are many female artists who perform songs of this sort and maybe a few male bands that have one song but the genre is gone. I think this may have an effect on the types of songs and music that will be generated in the future. Where have the simple love songs gone? The Beatles had songs like "Michele" and "I want to hold your hand" ... hard to compare to NIN and "I want to F--- you like an animal". This is just something that's been nagging at me for a few weeks now and I thought I'd share. I've gotten more indepth but I thought I'd toss out something for you to ponder. Jason Crawford Sorrow@poe.org S0jmcraw@atlas.vcu.edu > > One question--why aren't male rock bands decried for writing "angry men" > songs? Anger and passion are well-established in the rock and roll tradition, > so why are women singled out when people criticize the message? The > answer--mere (yawn) sexism, in another guise. > > A not-so-angry male, > > Padma > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:16:06 -0700 From: Cocky Subject: Re: NPR: Alanis/Poe/anger/popularity Men are writing angry-men songs.... Its called County! PadmaT wrote: > Personally, I think those are right who say that Alanis was > overplayed, though > I benefit from the fact that I seldom listen to the radio and was, > consequently, never on overload. > > I wish Poe the best, because I think she deserves it, and because I > believe > that what she has to say can move people. > > I don't "buy" the notion that popularity necessarily ruins an artist. > The > Beatles, for instance, put out their best stuff between 1966 and 1970, > and > I'll still defend them as the greatest rock/pop band of all time > (though not > my favorite--Jefferson Airplane holds that place). The Rolling Stones, > too, > boast many of rock and roll's truly "classic" hits, and deserve all > the > recognition they've received over the years. > > The notion that pushing "angry women" songs is a marketing technique > is a > valid notion--certainly, the record companies pay attention to sales. > However, > I also think the phenomenon is larger than mere marketing. For the > first time > in the history of rock music, women are dominating the charts, and for > good > reason. Women are finally "having their say". Sure, there were > others--Grace > Slick, Janis Joplin, Mama Cass, Patti Smith--who paved the way, but > it's about > time, I think, for a real show of force from a segment of the > population > that's been silenced for millenia, or (more recently) relegated to the > > position of mere mindless sex objects (the Spice Girls the most recent > > incarnation). The success of Alanis Morrissette (sp?), Bjork, > Siouxsie, POE, > and others, is due mostly to the intelligence of their lyrics, their > unique > aesthetic approaches, and the honest emotional thrust of their music. > > One question--why aren't male rock bands decried for writing "angry > men" > songs? Anger and passion are well-established in the rock and roll > tradition, > so why are women singled out when people criticize the message? The > answer--mere (yawn) sexism, in another guise. > > A not-so-angry male, > > Padma ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:45:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Jennifer Wilhelm Subject: poe st. as i was driving down poe st. listening to poe i thought to myself 'is everyone this lucky or is it just me who gets a street that is named after poe in their very own town?' well does anyone else have a poe st.? even though its been there forever i know that it is really name after poe, the luverly singer. and as for all this talk about angry chick singers... i was watching mtv over the week end cuz i was at my parents and there was nothing else to do and that song bitch came on. it's boring, maybe towards the end it gets better but shortly after it came on my attention to the tv disappeared. then later i was brought back by that hanson video. i've never seen that video before. but i think it shows all boys their age something very important--don't have long hair if you haven't went through puberty yet cuz these boys look like girls. esp. the one driving the car. just sharing peace & luv jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:53:35 -0400 (EDT) From: SFPooh@aol.com Subject: Re: Poe In Yahoo Internet Life I know man, I was just kidding around. We wouldn't do that to Paul! :-) APLuv SHawn shawn@poe.org sfpooh@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: SFPooh@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: AOL I'd like that 2 please! APLuv Shawn shawn@poe.org sfpooh@aol.com n a message dated 97-07-14 03:17:09 EDT, you write: << Hello People! Does anyone have a list of all of the APs with AOL? Thanks. Bye! love, Lynsey >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:06:55 -0400 (EDT) From: SFPooh@aol.com Subject: Mark's New Book Hey Everybody: I just visited MZD's web page promoting his new book "House of Leaves". I also read the short letter from POE on the site about her brothers book. What she wrote was awesome. She is so passionate in everything she does, even something as short as that. Is ther anything that POE does that isn't infected with passion and greatness? As far as the book goes, I downloaded the first 50 pages from the site and plan on reading them tonight. I suggest we get the release date of the book (if it hasn't already been released) and everyone of the psychos make this purchase. Not only to support Mark but also to sink ourselves into a great work spawned from a childhood promise. APLuv Shawn shawn@poe.org sfpooh@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 1997 12:11:08 -0600 From: "PadmaT" Subject: RE: poe st. Dear Jen & other APs, "Listen to me!" said the demon, as he placed his hand upon my head.... (the opening of "Silence, A Fable" by Edgar Allen Poe) If you haven't already, take your cue from our Psychotic Mistress Herself (PMH) and spend some time reading the man whose name our PMH embraces as her own. Edgar Allen deserves to be read and reread throughout the course of one's life. He was America's first *great* writer outside of religion and politics, and his stories (his poems, too, but to a lesser extent) continue to satisfy. Poe was so influential that he inspired the French Symbolist movement (Baudelaire, Rimbaud, and others--who, in turn, inspired the American expatriot Imagist movement--H.D., Ezra Pound, T.S. Eliot, William Carlos Williams). Edgar Allen Poe also invented the mystery ("Murders in the Rue Morgue"). Of course, his horror stories are (deservedly) his most famous, but his adventure stories ("Descent Into the Maelstrom", "MS Found in a Bottle", etc.) are no less startling and heart-pounding. Our PMH is wise and all-knowing, and chose her name well! Psycholove, Padma _______________________________________________________________________________ as i was driving down poe st. listening to poe i thought to myself 'is everyone this lucky or is it just me who gets a street that is named after poe in their very own town?' well does anyone else have a poe st.? even though its been there forever i know that it is really name after poe, the luverly singer. just sharing peace & luv jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:13:58 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: NPR: Alanis/Poe/anger/popularity Country's not angry-man music, its stupid-man music... Cocky wrote: > > Men are writing angry-men songs.... Its called County! > > PadmaT wrote: > > > Personally, I think those are right who say that Alanis was > > overplayed, though > > I benefit from the fact that I seldom listen to the radio and was, > > consequently, never on overload. > > > > I wish Poe the best, because I think she deserves it, and because I > > believe > > that what she has to say can move people. > > > > I don't "buy" the notion that popularity necessarily ruins an artist. > > The > > Beatles, for instance, put out their best stuff between 1966 and 1970, > > and > > I'll still defend them as the greatest rock/pop band of all time > > (though not > > my favorite--Jefferson Airplane holds that place). The Rolling Stones, > > too, > > boast many of rock and roll's truly "classic" hits, and deserve all > > the > > recognition they've received over the years. > > > > The notion that pushing "angry women" songs is a marketing technique > > is a > > valid notion--certainly, the record companies pay attention to sales. > > However, > > I also think the phenomenon is larger than mere marketing. For the > > first time > > in the history of rock music, women are dominating the charts, and for > > good > > reason. Women are finally "having their say". Sure, there were > > others--Grace > > Slick, Janis Joplin, Mama Cass, Patti Smith--who paved the way, but > > it's about > > time, I think, for a real show of force from a segment of the > > population > > that's been silenced for millenia, or (more recently) relegated to the > > > > position of mere mindless sex objects (the Spice Girls the most recent > > > > incarnation). The success of Alanis Morrissette (sp?), Bjork, > > Siouxsie, POE, > > and others, is due mostly to the intelligence of their lyrics, their > > unique > > aesthetic approaches, and the honest emotional thrust of their music. > > > > One question--why aren't male rock bands decried for writing "angry > > men" > > songs? Anger and passion are well-established in the rock and roll > > tradition, > > so why are women singled out when people criticize the message? The > > answer--mere (yawn) sexism, in another guise. > > > > A not-so-angry male, > > > > Padma ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:32:38, -0500 From: YEEL96E@prodigy.com (R HILL) Subject: Mark's New Book >Is ther anything that POE does that isn't >infected with passion and greatness? (rose, resisting speculation!) ____ "so many idiots, too few comets..." - ------------------------------------- yeel96e@prodigy.com, 'cause juno f'ed-up my mail account somehow! - ------------------------------------- http://www.angelfire.com/ut/weeps4none "always under construction!" (please pardon the weak pages at angelfire - my awesome original site was wiped out in the great angelfire disk crash of '97) - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:53:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Jezebel144@aol.com Subject: Angry Chick if they wernt angry what would they have to write about? ..... I really wouldn't want to listen to a song of some girl raving on about how great her live was. i like the so called angry chick stuff because i can relate. Sterotype it all you want it's still good music Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:52:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Angrygirly@aol.com Subject: Fwd: NPR: AOL yes , does anyone at all have the list? - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: SFPooh@aol.com Sender: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Date: 97-07-14 14:03:49 EDT I'd like that 2 please! APLuv Shawn shawn@poe.org sfpooh@aol.com n a message dated 97-07-14 03:17:09 EDT, you write: << Hello People! Does anyone have a list of all of the APs with AOL? Thanks. Bye! love, Lynsey >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:56:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jezebel144@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: AOL In a message dated 97-07-14 02:48:21 EDT, you write: > Hello People! > Does anyone have a list of all of the APs with AOL? Thanks. Bye! > love, > Lynsey > OH OH ide like that too Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:01:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lawrence J. Kim" Subject: NPR: Contact (do NOT reply to this list) I normally don't like to post non-POE things onto this list, but I strongly urge everyone to go see the movie 'Contact'. It is the best movie this summer and quite possibly this year. The depth at which this movie takes you intellectually is a breath of fresh air after being exposed to mind-less, braindead films like "MiB", "Batman & Robin", and "Speed 2". If anyone else saw 'Contact', I would love to discuss it further VIA PRIVATE E-MAIL! If there are enough people interested, I will build a PRIVATE E-MAIL forum. Once again: REPLY VIA PRIVATE E-MAIL! NOT TO THIS LIST! Cheers, Lawrence ************************************************************************* Lawrence Kim * PseudoSwede in the POE.ORG chatroom ljk1@cec.wustl.edu * Hobbe on IRC lawrence@poe.org * Co-MWAP Regional Leader (mwap@poe.org) Maintainer of POE : The Mistress of Groove http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/poe.html ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:57:15 -0400 From: zzmizutay@winthrop.edu Subject: Angry Chicks=marketing ploy If some of you read comics, you know that the 'angry-chicks' trend is also affecting comincs (it is called the 'bad-girl' trend). So it's not only music. I think it just a new marketing plot (I know, I'm in marketing), and it will prolly soon be over (soon like in 2 years I'd say). I guess, that males wants a new vision of females. As Rose says, women used to be shown nice/polite/submitted and stuff, so now males are fed up with this image. They want something new thus the 'bad girl' trend. They want girls to say they want to get fucked. And the genius of this plot is that feminists just fell for it too. So the marketing guys hooked both males anf females but for different reasons. Well that's my 2 cents, Flyer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:05:57 -0500 From: Jason Capriotti Subject: RE: NPR: AOL (how to) for those interested in a list AOL APs, just look on the whole list (using "Search" or something like that). To get it, send mail to majordomo@smoe.org, with "who angry-psychos" as the *ONLY* thing in the body. Make sure you turn off your signatures. I don't think it would work for Hotmail users. Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: Angrygirly@aol.com at INTERNET [SMTP:Angrygirly@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, July 14, 1997 2:52 PM > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Fwd: NPR: AOL > > yes , does anyone at all have the list? > --------------------- > Forwarded message: > From: SFPooh@aol.com > Sender: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Date: 97-07-14 14:03:49 EDT > > I'd like that 2 please! > > APLuv > Shawn > shawn@poe.org > sfpooh@aol.com > > n a message dated 97-07-14 03:17:09 EDT, you write: > > << Hello People! > Does anyone have a list of all of the APs with AOL? Thanks. > Bye! > > > love, > > > Lynsey >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:10:59 -0700 From: "Chris Ajello" Subject: All you Angry Chicks out there Yes, if you totally agree with all of the "Angry Chick" singers, and think that you should live by their example, THEN WATCH OUT before you totally screw with some nice guy's head. We don't take crap for very long. You'll end up singing like Fiona Apple. Don't believe me? Go take a listen to "Criminal" by Fiona. Live by THOSE words. Angry Nice guy Chris ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 1997 13:19:08 -0600 From: "PadmaT" Subject: RE: Angry Chicks=marketing ploy So, you're saying that despite the apparent "I've had it!" motif, women are really just bowing, once again, to what the market thinks men want them to be? How tragic! Padma _______________________________________________________________________________ If some of you read comics, you know that the 'angry-chicks' trend is also affecting comincs (it is called the 'bad-girl' trend). So it's not only music. I think it just a new marketing plot (I know, I'm in marketing), and it will prolly soon be over (soon like in 2 years I'd say). I guess, that males wants a new vision of females. As Rose says, women used to be shown nice/polite/submitted and stuff, so now males are fed up with this image. They want something new thus the 'bad girl' trend. They want girls to say they want to get fucked. And the genius of this plot is that feminists just fell for it too. So the marketing guys hooked both males anf females but for different reasons. Well that's my 2 cents, Flyer - ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mail.rmc.org with ADMIN;14 Jul 1997 13:11:26 -0600 Received: from jane.smoe.org (daemon@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA17721; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:09:56 - -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA28482; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:10:51 -0400 Received: by jane.smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:10:50 -0400 Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA28359; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:06:29 -0400 Received: from acad by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA28352; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:06:08 -0400 From: zzmizutay@winthrop.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:57:15 -0400 Message-Id: <97071414571512@winthrop.edu> To: ANGRY-PSYCHOS@smoe.org Subject: Angry Chicks=marketing ploy X-VMS-To: ANGRY-PSYCHOS@SMOE.ORG Sender: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:26:29 -0600 From: "danradloff" Subject: Re: Girls VS Boys I should be very safe then. I do everything that you mentioned except skateboard. Inline skate keeps them away to doesn't it. What if i play shoots and ladders. - ---------- > From: Landon Beadle > To: R HILL > Cc: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Girls VS Boys > Date: Monday, July 14, 1997 1:31 AM > > "KNOCK KNOCK" > who's there? > "Mail man" > it's sunday! > "Telegram" > at this hour? > "candygram" > Ohhhhh, why didn't you say so? > (UNLOCKS DOOR) > AHHHH!!!! LANDSHARK!!!!! > (CHOMP) > > > > > don't let this happen to you.... when you play GO FISH, play with > others.... if you try to play by yourself, you may attract landsharks... > Killer Robot's are another huge possibility.... they will stay away if > you play go fish with others, they don't like group confrontations... > They will stay away if you blast any of the following: > > Ska/Punk/Alternative/Goth/Industrial/Rock/and especially, GROOOOOOOVY > tunes..... > > they will come if you play any of the following, regardless of noise > level: > > Country/Spice Girls/Hanson/Rap/R&B > > And they are terribly afraid of skaters, you should all go out and buy a > skateboard... the better you get, the more afraid they are. also known > to be among these creatures: Moths.... those scary little icky buggy > flying freaks are in this plot. As are Butterflies, they are just as > icky... Kill them all! > > You have been warned. > > -Landon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:33:59 -0600 From: "danradloff" Subject: Re: ponder. No, that particular NiN song may not be comparable, but maybe "something i can never have" might be. It is a slow song about a girl that he can't have. I guess society is just more aggressive than they used to be.Queer little songs like i want to hold your hand have been replaced with i want to f**k you like an animal. "if i was twice the man i could be, i'd still be half of what you need." Dan. - ---------- > From: Jason M Crawford > To: PadmaT > Cc: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: ponder. > Date: Monday, July 14, 1997 9:08 AM > > Pardon me for typing above my quote... I can't fix it right now! > > Okay angry women aside... Why aren't there more male rock bands > writing love songs? There are many female artists who perform > songs of this sort and maybe a few male bands that have one song > but the genre is gone. I think this may have an effect on the > types of songs and music that will be generated in the future. > Where have the simple love songs gone? The Beatles had songs > like "Michele" and "I want to hold your hand" ... hard to compare > to NIN and "I want to F--- you like an animal". > > This is just something that's been nagging at me for a few weeks > now and I thought I'd share. I've gotten more indepth but I > thought I'd toss out something for you to ponder. > > Jason Crawford > Sorrow@poe.org > S0jmcraw@atlas.vcu.edu > > > > > One question--why aren't male rock bands decried for writing "angry men" > > songs? Anger and passion are well-established in the rock and roll tradition, > > so why are women singled out when people criticize the message? The > > answer--mere (yawn) sexism, in another guise. > > > > A not-so-angry male, > > > > Padma > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:36:48 -0500 From: Landon Beadle Subject: aol members ok, here are the aol members that have sent mail that i have in the past 3000 e-mails: Angel4159 Snakegrl6 Angelgrl1 Angrygirly BKRBUNCH Bloodoll BLUEBASTRD Bobpullman BuzzGr309 Cameronstn Car2une CMOwnby DahIia1 DarthPepr DazRazzle DirtGrrll DLEILANI Dlphinlove Egirl1234 EvilSnoopy Flickergrl FritzJ2 GabriKn GaulAiel Gelsey1004 Glimmersky Grazi Heath210 HJSparkle IM4KISS Jezebel144 Jezzzybell Twiggy138 Jono4st KARArock Kelly1733 Kreatar LAdamsEMI Lavalmps Leahbraids Leepslee LeviAdams Lilyzzz Lisinner LostAngyl Lura2000 LuvinPoe LYNX321 Maimeedex Malyson MAME19 Mandabears Michele500 Missyjinx MLopez5146 Mlp000 MmeMoon Nihasa9 Nirvana359 Noahkid Pixie7689 Poeski02 PoeStarr PuppyDawg3 PyroShwee SamIAm555 SAngelic SBootsma2 SFPooh Snakegrl6 SNicandri SPINangst TAP9779 TrentDep TrigHapJac Veruca29 VerucaGr VintagePt Viper98689 VIRGINLAID VR5SBloom Watrcolour Witchkit if I received a post from you in the past 3000 e-mails, you should be up here. Some of these people probably got off the list, i left out the ones who i noticed unsubscribed, and i don't know about who changed their nick. I just spent the past 45 min going over all my e-mails and copying these so 1. don't ask about more info, i don't have it, 2. please don't e-mail me saying "I changed to this" or "this person is gone" because I'm not on aol, I did this for those on aol, and I'm not keeping an archive of those on aol. Hope I was a help! - -Landon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:42:12 -0500 From: Landon Beadle Subject: Re: NPR: Contact (do NOT reply to this list) > The depth at which this > movie takes you intellectually is a breath of fresh air after being > exposed to mind-less, braindead films like "MiB", "Batman & Robin", and > "Speed 2". now, I'll agree with you on Batman, and from what I've heard on speed 2, but don't bash MiB! It was supposed to be a brain-dead comedy. I thought it was well thought out, that the graphics were great, and that it was really funny. and if you really thought about it, it was poking fun at a serious topic. It made a lot of sense. while contact may be better (I can't wait to see that), it was actually a more realistic concept. Think about it "aliens send us blueprints to build a machine that even though we know how to build it and just happen to have all the parts, we can't understand how it works with all the info ON how it works" compared to "The government is deceiving us all and knows what we don't"... the difference is you'd expect the latter to be in a serious way, and it's in a comedic way, while the first one you'd expect to be a joke movie, and it's serious.... Kinda makes them even, ya think? - -Landon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:45:21 -0500 From: Landon Beadle Subject: Re: Girls VS Boys yeah, most skaters will say Rollerbladers attract them, but don't listen... Skaters are better if you ask me, but I don't bash bladers because I have no reason to. Shoots and ladders works to a degree too. - -Landon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:53:59 -0500 From: Landon Beadle Subject: what happened? we're at 268 subscribers, i thought we were at like 500? what happened? - -Landon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:50:39 -0500 From: Landon Beadle Subject: Re: Angry Chicks=marketing ploy awright, again my POV. I think business wise it's more even, unless the heads of the business fall into that "White male supremacy" deal, then yeah women will be discriminated... this applies to comics too. BUT, for the most part, women have a lot more say then men, and a lot of women fall into that "Angry chick" deal. At least from my pov from my experiences, every girl I've dated pretty much had total control over the relationship and me. I really don't think the "We have control" (aka angry chick deal) is a marketing ploy, it's been building and is continuing to build. Maybe in 50 years it'll be over, but who knows? - -Landon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:55:42 -0600 From: ward Subject: re : angry chicks a marketing ploy ? Weell now , I would like to disagree with zzmizutay on this one . Women have a damn good reason to be angry and I think it's about time they have their turn in the spotlight to say so publically, and be heard but its about more than that .Society needs to change so that it's more an angry person (or bitter or sad or joyful etc.)whio is heard because they have something to say Women still aren't necessarily equal and it's good to see the eye's of the world are finally opening but there is a long way to go . I for one would like to date a lady who is in touch with her self and is confident and hasn't been shit on by every guy she'd dated . If she happens to be angry then she should be able to express that without being labeled a bitch or being told to shut-up . I think that from a male viewpoint it's hard to be emotional because it's not socially acceptable but is becoming that way more and more and labels to me don't help anything . Angry Johnny is a great tune written a great artist . Should we really care if she is a quote enquote angry psycho chick ? Any artist who sells anything is marketing something, but being a woman ,angry or no , in the 90's might just about finally be socially acceptable and indeed even cool and marketable . Women are the future because we have left them out of the picture for so long . But ' there back ' and we hope it's to stay .I think they are not to be ignored and don't see women in the arts as any kind of trend . Just yammerin' that psycho Ward-dude ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:56:03 -0400 From: zzmizutay@winthrop.edu Subject: marketing marketing In answer to Padma (sorry but I don't know how to do the < thingy to insert part of an e-mail), anyway, I'm not saying that women are just bowing to what the market thinks men want them to be. But I think that 'angry-women' (how should we call them) are now allowed and given the mean to speak their minds (by the marketing guy) because their message/image is currently in demand/fashion. So when the trend will fade, will prolly see less and less of those angry chicks. Yeah I think they are just part of a big artificially created new trend which is women with an attitude. Flyer ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 1997 14:19:12 -0600 From: "PadmaT" Subject: NPR: RE: marketing marketing Maybe we'll all live long enough to see the day when artists are represented based on the quality of their work rather than on what the marketeers choose to spoon-feed us! Am I naive? Probably, but I keep hearing John Lennon: "You may say I'm a dreamer/But I'm not the only one." May All Beings Be Happy (The Dalai Lama) Padma _______________________________________________________________________________ In answer to Padma (sorry but I don't know how to do the < thingy to insert part of an e-mail), anyway, I'm not saying that women are just bowing to what the market thinks men want them to be. But I think that 'angry-women' (how should we call them) are now allowed and given the mean to speak their minds (by the marketing guy) because their message/image is currently in demand/fashion. So when the trend will fade, will prolly see less and less of those angry chicks. Yeah I think they are just part of a big artificially created new trend which is women with an attitude. Flyer - ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mail.rmc.org with ADMIN;14 Jul 1997 14:14:35 -0600 Received: from jane.smoe.org (daemon@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA03081; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:11:00 - -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA00547; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:11:56 -0400 Received: by jane.smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:11:56 -0400 Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA00406; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:05:55 -0400 Received: from acad by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA00391; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:05:40 -0400 From: zzmizutay@winthrop.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:56:03 -0400 Message-Id: <97071415560342@winthrop.edu> To: ANGRY-PSYCHOS@smoe.org Subject: marketing marketing X-VMS-To: ANGRY-PSYCHOS@SMOE.ORG Sender: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. 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