From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V2 #235 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, July 13 1997 Volume 02 : Number 235 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER [x-jiff-x@juno.com] Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER) [x-jiff-x@juno.com] NPR: IRC alive&well #p0e/angry-psychos us.dal.net ["edgarallen@poe.org" <] Angriest Psycho... [TrentDep@aol.com] Re: npr: Reel big fish (was ANGRY CHICK SINGER) [radiof@pipeline.com] Re: NPR:Angst, Anger, and Garbage [x-jiff-x@juno.com] Dr. Strangelove and P-O-E [Linus Gelber ] Re: VPR: CLEANSE YOURSELVES!!!!!! ["Jorrit Harssema" ] Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER ["angel" ] camp [oobushoo@juno.com (Bich Ngoc Q Cao)] Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER ["Chris Ajello" ] Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER ["Chris Ajello" ] Re: Bitch [Dlphinlove@aol.com] Poe Fest Countdown [Roger Knox (Roger Knox)] -= REPOST =- YOUR PoE PAGE ["POE.ORG" ] A New Twist - Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER ["POE.ORG" ] Are there some Dutch AP's ?? ["Jorrit Harssema" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:22:19 -0400 From: x-jiff-x@juno.com Subject: Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER so you've never liked a band a lot, and enjoyed that you could go see them at a 500 seat club, and maybe talk to them afterwards or get a beer? as much as i want Tugboat Annie to succeed, i also in the back of my heart don't want them to, since then i probably won't be able to get a ride from them to a friend's house after a show, get a free beer, talk to tim about the upcoming shows, get live tapes from them, have permission to videotape shows, etc... it's really nice when a band is all your own to hang out with after a show (with their other 1000 fans in buffalo), and you want success for them, but... it's hard to know the feeling without being in the shoes of someone who is. Daiv - ----- Tugboat Annie - The Not-Quite Official Page http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~bj887/tugboat.htm On Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:26:02 -0600 "danradloff" writes: >I never understand people who hate that. >I couldn't give a rats ass if the music gets popular or not, if i like >it, >i like it. I don't care if tons of people like it or nobody likes it. >If you like it, you like it. If tons of people start liking ani >defranco, >does that mean that you won't like her anymore. That is just stupid >if you >do. > >Thats my 2 cents. > > > > > > >---------- >> From: angel >> To: Angry-Psychos ; Emily > >> Subject: NPR: ANGRY CHICK SINGER >> Date: Thursday, July 10, 1997 9:00 PM >> >> > I think Doug is right. I have never talked to anyone who has seen >Poe >> live >> > and NOT fallen in love with her. I think that whoever chose her >singles >> > (Atlantic?) might have done her an injustice by not diversifying >their >> > choices. In my opinion, Hello, AJ, and THJ are not wholy >representitive >> of >> > the HELLO album and I fear that some radio-listeners might shrug >her >off >> as >> > just another "angry chick singer". >> >> >> but see, that's just it. Angry Chick Singers are what's "in" now, >so >> Atlantic thinks that by releasing all her angry songs, she will >become >more >> popular. I mean look at Alanis Morrisette, Tracy Bonham, Leah >Andreone, >> Meredith Brookes, Garbage (kind of), Liz Phair, sooooo many more. >Every >> other woman is cashing into the angry chick fad, so Atlantic thinks >that >by >> (to an extent) "selling out" Poe, they can make her sell more. I >mean >> selling out because she's definately deeper than a psycho bitch who >sings >> "I wanna blow you... away" and talks about fathers as black holes >who >suck >> up the light. I've never heard anythin but the singles from Tracy, >Leah, >> or Meredith, so I'm not claiming to be any expert on them, but I'm >willing >> to bet that not all their songs are angry either, cus Alanis, >Garbage, >> Liz's songs aren't, but their record companies are following the fad >that >> Alanis (? this could be wrong, who started it?) started and >pretending >that >> the singer is like Alanis so all the angst-crazed teenagers will buy >it >and >> bang their heads into the walls and rend their clothing, or whatever >it >is >> record companies think teenagers do. I think that's horrible for >the >bands >> because if those angst-ridden teens buy the music and find it to be >NOT >all >> angry, their not going to listen to it, so it was a waste. However, >if >they >> released good, deep, meaningful (not saying that ThJ and AJ aren't >> meaningful...) songs, then the normal human beings who aren't all >that >> impressed by the angry female trend will buy it, love it, and >support the >> artist. AHHHHH.... my rant. clothes >> some more> >> Love y'all that stuck with me, if you understood what I just said, >you >have >> one up on me. >> >> cykoluv >> angel~cj >> >> PS not that this relates or anythinng, but this has been pissing me >off. >> Why is Ani Difranco so popular all the sudden? I mean, I'm happy for >her >> and everything, but it's like she doesn't have what she used to >have, you >> know? Mystery, the thrill of me bieng the only person who's ever >heard of >> her, of sharing her with all my friends, and of them loving her. >Same as >> it was with Poe, with Jewel, with Liz Phair, (ESPECIALLY >Jewel!!!!!!) and >> all those artists who are popular now but weren't when I first found >them. >> I DON"T WANT ANI TO BECOME MAINSTREAM!!! I mean, I'm selfish, but I >want >> her all to myself!!!! I dread the day that I walk down the halls of >my >high >> school and hear people--the same people who listened to the Spice >Girls, >> Hanson, and before that, NKOTB, singing Ani songs, Liz songs, >> AHHHHHHHAGUUUGUGHTHHHH!!!!!! That is the kind of thing that gives me >> nightmares. I realize that we had this discussion a few months ago, >but >> it's worring me. Ever since she was in YM, the thought has been >driving >me >> crazy. HELP ME!!! Or at least, find me a new alternative. >ALTERNATIVE >> MUSIC MAKES ME SICK BECAUSE IT IS NO LONGER EXISTANT!!!!! >> HHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEELLLLLLLPPPPPPPPP MMMMEEEEEEEE!!! >> ah, shit. Another rant. "That will be $.04 please. Thank you. Next." > >> >> ps2: oh and don't get me started on ALTERNATIVE RADIO. Alternative >> Radio=an oxymoron. NO SUCH THING. HELP! And it doesn't help >living in >> South Dakota where we get everything a few months after the rest of >the >> world... *sigh* life sucks. >> >> >> this has been another long and pointless letter brought to you by an >> angst-crazed adolescent teenage girl with hyperactive horemones and >torn >> clothes. thank you. >> >> angel@sd.cybernex.net * a_angel@rocketmail.com >> then a voice spoke in my head.. she said.. dark is not the opposite >of >> light it is the abscence of light.. and I thought to myself.. she >knows >> what she's talking about.. and for a moment I knew what it was all >about >> namaste > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:25:24 -0400 From: x-jiff-x@juno.com Subject: Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER) try this, i am on pearl jam mailing lists (you know, almost 1 000 000 cds in a week, 2 times) and they're just little familys of people, just like this... it's kind of comforting to see that with pearl jam's success, you still can be connected with other people as easily as you can be... same with poe.. Daiv - ----- Tugboat Annie - The Not-Quite Official Page http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~bj887/tugboat.htm On Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:14:31 -0500 Landon Beadle writes: >people started obsessing over poe overnight like with Alanis, would >there still be this many AP's, or would the ap's be one big family or >more like a ton of people crammed together thinking everyone is a >stranger? Would the AP's get to do stuff with Poe? The radio's would >dominate her songs, and we'd get sick of them. You can't say "I'll >NEVER >get sick of that!!!" cuz it's not true. No matter how much you like >something, too much of it will make you sick. Yeah, I'd love to see >Poe >get her deserved recognition, but I don't want her to be "the latest >fad". > >-Landon > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 01:25:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "edgarallen@poe.org" Subject: NPR: IRC alive&well #p0e/angry-psychos us.dal.net Come to IRC I recently registered #p0e on us.dal.net and can also be found on #angry-psychos, spreading the word of POE, ppl always stop in, I know I've recruited a few PsYcHoS this way. If ya need help with IRC please feel free to contact me. Also I have just posted to dal.net IRC FAQ which should also be of help. What the printing press was to the revolution of our country, so shall be the net to the changes coming to our times. Angry-Psychos "tappin a code" :> Me edgarallen@poe.org http://www.frontiernet.net/~usscvn65 sp00k@poe.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 01:41:11 -0400 (EDT) From: TrentDep@aol.com Subject: Angriest Psycho... ...'Cause I havn't seen Poe live - yet! *Sniff*. Please tell me I'm not the only AP who hasn't... OK, guess I should do the intro thing - but as I hate following rules, 'think I'll just ad-lib. My name is Trent, and I reside in Seaside, CA - that's about 90 miles south of San Francisco, on the Monterey Peninsula. I'm thirty... well, something. Poe's music was introduced to me about a year ago by a friend who was kind enough to leave the CD with me. Since then I've nearly spun the paint off of it, and my little girl (8) has memorized every word. My musical tastes vary rather widely within the genres of Classic Rock and Alternative. Guess a list of my favs. would include Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, Supertramp, Nirvana, Matchbox Twenty, Tori Amos, Jewel, and of course Poe. Hope to meet some of you at the Monterey Poe Fest next month. Lucky me! I don't even have to travel to get there - can practicaly roll out of bed and into Roger's back yard. :: Tongue protruding in a childlike, teasing, taunt ing gesture...:: ( :: :: - used to designate an action for all you non role playing APs out there) Hey! I deserve a break. Just returned from Rockfest 97 in Dallas, flew to Omaha to pick up a friend then drove 1200 miles round trip - I deserve an easy trip!... :: Smiles..:: Peace all..... ~ T ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 01:20:54 +0000 From: radiof@pipeline.com Subject: Re: npr: Reel big fish (was ANGRY CHICK SINGER) Where do you live. Well Reel big Fish parents are from Cali, he did not leave the band unless he left a week ago so, Ok the Sell out song is a joke about how people think people sold out.. They do not think they are sell outs (maybe they do)... they are showing how else is there to pay the bills. Goldfinger is playing coney island high NY Aug 25 or so > I like Reel Big Fish, I think they're a kewl ska band. I wuz looking for > a Reel Big Fish cd a week or two ago at this little store, when it just > Happened that the lead singer's parents come in! It turns out, the lead > singer (srry, I'm not a HUGE fan, just liked that Sell Out song and > wanted the cd) left the band. If everyone knew this, srry! but I'm > spreading the word... > > -Landon > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 02:02:06 -0400 From: x-jiff-x@juno.com Subject: Re: NPR:Angst, Anger, and Garbage On Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:48:24 -0500 Joe Hay writes: >> you can't deal with it you're just not "woman enough"? N.O.W. >man bashing, "I'm a bitch, are you man enough?" I don't agree with it sorry, but both of these songs reminded me of pearl jam's "hail, hail" with the lyric: "are you woman enough to by my man?" that's the attitude to have... Daiv - ----- Tugboat Annie - The Not-Quite Official Page http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~bj887/tugboat.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 03:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Linus Gelber Subject: Dr. Strangelove and P-O-E > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:06:19 -0400 > From: RADIO FREE > Subject: Re: Acronyms > > Well since we are talking about acronyms, a few weeks ago i saw a movie call > Dr. Strange Love it is sorta old and it is about nuclear scare of the 70's > or so.. and the the code to disable the bombs was POE, PEACE ON EARTH. Well > never mind. this is dumb ok bye Actually, it was for Purity Of Essence...remember that Col. Ripper was concerned about the Communist plot to pollute our precious bodily fluids. Great movie, for all of those who haven't seen it. Ciao - Linus Linus Gelber > Home Office Records--Hip Hot Music linus@panix.com < Please visit us at http://www.web-ho.com boss@web-ho.com > It's not what you think. It's Better. cyrano@nycbeer.org < Coming: RAW Kinder 7/19 at CB's Gallery, NYC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:30:30 +0200 From: "Jorrit Harssema" Subject: Re: VPR: CLEANSE YOURSELVES!!!!!! >ALL SPICE GIRLS LISTENERS READ: > >This is an easy few step aproach to getting rid of those nagging icky >people if you listen to them... Well, that's great. The problem is: what to do with the SG-clones?? I don't have time to listen a billion times to all those 'pretty girl groups' in the charts over here (They're getting younger and younger). So I condider myself lucky I don't like them at all. I think if it were only those SG they played too much on the radio, everybody would get sick of them in a few weeks. Jorrit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:38:08 +0200 From: "Jorrit Harssema" Subject: Re: NPR Re: fame? good/bad? (was Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER) > I saw alanis right before mtv started playing "you blha whatever" on > 120 minutes in a small club in Toronto. It was awsome. I then saw > her about a year later in front of like 20000 people. It was good but > not anywhere as good as when I saw her at Lee's Palace. Ya she is > over played but I don't listen to radio so I'm not affected by what > they do as much. > > Tim > bong tech > "American by Birth, Antichrist by Choice" Being "big" doesn't mean you always have to play for 20.000 people or more. A few weeks ago I went to David Bowie, who played for at most 2.000 people (the happy few). It ws great, better than when he played for 20.000 people. The advantage of being 'big' is: more people have a great time listening to your music. And if you don't like the radio, turn it off. Jorrit Harssema (Fate waits While you hurry or while you wait it's all the same to Fate) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 15:22:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Jezebel144@aol.com Subject: Re: thanks In a message dated 97-07-12 01:56:26 EDT, you write: > Hey y'all today was my first day on this list and I can't believe how > friendly everyone is. I got a bunch of personal messages which shows to > me that this group really is closely bonded among the sultry songstress > we call Poe. This group is testament to what kind of person and > musician she is. Not many musicians can boast about being an > inspiration to forming a cyber community like this. Keep up the good > vibes and I hope to interact with y'all more. > > > peace, Hey Guys look!!!!! this is a big improvment. I'm proud of us Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:32:45 PDT From: "Jess Gilwee" Subject: Re: Bitch I completely agree with you. I think that that is one of my favorite songs and the reason why like it so much is because of the fact it explains so much about who I am. Punk~Bitch Jess >All right, time to stretch my fingers and reply to a comment after fifty >billion years of voyerism in here. The song >Bitch is getting a lot of shit, when it completely makes sence man. You >need to pay attention to the words a bit >more. All Ms. Brooks is saying is that while this guy acts as if she's >just an angel, she's a lot more than that, such as >a lover, a child, la la la la. It's a song about all of us, not just >women. I mean, I'm the biggest little bitch that I know, >but I'm also a real sweetheart. I agree that NOW would ask for an >apology, but they would be undeserving, as >we're all bitches and bastards, just not all the time. > -Husky the Vampire Slayer > _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:35:07 -0500 From: "angel" Subject: Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER do you really want Poe to become way overplayed, have everyone in your school singing her songs, having everyone pretend they know all about you and when someone sees that you like her, thay'll say "Oh, you like Poe too? I love her. She's like my favorite. i've loved her forever." Everyone will talk about her and every new bit of information will be spread all over and you will start getting this hopeless feeling like you're losing your best friend or something and she will become mainstream and AUGGHGHGHGHTHGHGHGHHG!!! I'm getting nausious typing this!!! ugh. not taht i don't want her to become famous or anything it's just that I think that she's so good that if people get wind of her, she'll become overdone and that seriously scares me. I'm not ready to share her with the rest of the world... cykoluv scary angel who likes to rant and rave MY NEW QUOTE: the worst thing about becoming famous is fame ps: I'll never NOT like Ani if she becomes famous, I'll just be scared of people taking her away from me. Hard to explain, it's just this scary thought of mine. - ---------- > From: danradloff > To: poe > Subject: Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER > Date: Thursday, July 10, 1997 11:26 PM > > I never understand people who hate that. > I couldn't give a rats ass if the music gets popular or not, if i like it, > i like it. I don't care if tons of people like it or nobody likes it. > If you like it, you like it. If tons of people start liking ani defranco, > does that mean that you won't like her anymore. That is just stupid if you > do. > > Thats my 2 cents. angel@sd.cybernex.net * a_angel@rocketmail.com then a voice spoke in my head.. she said.. dark is not the opposite of light it is the abscence of light.. and I thought to myself.. she knows what she's talking about.. and for a moment I knew what it was all about namaste ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:47:21 -0700 From: oobushoo@juno.com (Bich Ngoc Q Cao) Subject: camp Hey you guys...I am back from Journalism camp...it was cool yesterday when I snuck into the library with my friends to use the net...we missed our computers. I had the coolest time at camp. The only things I missed were my e-mail and my stereo. :) Now I am catching up on all that mail. Bich Ngoc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:03:25 -0700 From: "Chris Ajello" Subject: Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER >> Liz Phair is not angst at all. She's teen slut USA. "You f**k like a >> volcano and you're everything to me..." Which is why she was never >popular >> except to the college crowd. (I don't like her music because it seems so >> unimaginative, and backwater/dumpy, like Hole, but that's my opinion. for >> example: "The 6 dick pimp... " oh yeah! really groovin now!) >> >i have to disagree with that, sure she has some songs about sex but she's >honest and intellegent. Definately not unimaginative--her songs are as >deep as anything by Poe and she has angst to a degree, but not too much. >She is, unlike Alanis, capeable of writing about more than one thing. >I agree with you about everything else, so don't feel like I'm flaming you. >cykoluv >angel~cj Don't worry about flaming... you're not flaming untill it's personal, like "you suck etc.." (no harm taken or intended) (ooh! ooh! a debate!) Rebuttle: I will also have to disagree to your response. I hardly think that "Turning Japanese" is imaginative, creative, original or even deep. It's the most lousy b.s. song I've ever heard, and SHE DIDN'T EVEN WRITE IT. Though she was happy to re-do it and put it on the Juvenalia album. And "The 6 dick pimp" may be imaginative, but it's NOT HONEST and it's complete crap, not to mention a really played out melody. I place Liz Phair of the same platform as Hole, where their music is not singing, but more to the point of mumbling, groaning, talking, or letting noise spew out of their mouths. As for Angst, I think that different sides of the list have different definitions of the term "angst." I think of somebody with angst as an extreme pessimist who reflects those fellings in their behavior, dress, and creations. Poe is hardly angst. "Angry Johnny" is not angst, it's anger. She wants revenge in any way possible. Not even her other songs, like "Dolphin", "THJ", "That day" and others are angst. Alanis had some good music until the radio stations killed her. And her only problem was that yes, her entire music career is based on her boyfriend dumping her. (If she's such a complainer, then I don't blame him for leaving.) Chris (pig for a day) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:25:19 -0700 From: "Chris Ajello" Subject: Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER Why do I get this creepy stalker-alert sensation.... No but seriously, I feel that no musician or anybody should "belong" to anybody. They should be shared and enjoyed by all. HOWEVER, that does not mean that people should do stupid stuff like say "I've love her forever" which is total BS anyways. People who do that have no life, no creativity, and generally suck. I'm sure the rest of the world could be spared the pains of somebody singing somebody else's song. (Unless you're like Cake, where you're taking a song and breathing new life into it. with taste of course) Chris PS. Poe has gone gold. What does that mean? SHE'S ALREADY MAINSTREAM. - ----- From: angel Subject: Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER >do you really want Poe to become way overplayed, have everyone in your >school singing her songs, having everyone pretend they know all about you >and when someone sees that you like her, thay'll say "Oh, you like Poe too? >I love her. She's like my favorite. i've loved her forever." Everyone will >talk about her and every new bit of information will be spread all over and >you will start getting this hopeless feeling like you're losing your best >friend or something and she will become mainstream and >AUGGHGHGHGHTHGHGHGHHG!!! I'm getting nausious typing this!!! ugh. not taht >i don't want her to become famous or anything it's just that I think that >she's so good that if people get wind of her, she'll become overdone and >that seriously scares me. I'm not ready to share her with the rest of the >world... >cykoluv >scary angel who likes to rant and rave >MY NEW QUOTE: the worst thing about becoming famous is fame > >ps: I'll never NOT like Ani if she becomes famous, I'll just be scared of >people taking her away from me. Hard to explain, it's just this scary >thought of mine. > >> I never understand people who hate that. >> I couldn't give a rats ass if the music gets popular or not, if i like >it, >> i like it. I don't care if tons of people like it or nobody likes it. >> If you like it, you like it. If tons of people start liking ani >defranco, >> does that mean that you won't like her anymore. That is just stupid if >you >> do. >> >> Thats my 2 cents. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 18:13:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Dlphinlove@aol.com Subject: Re: Bitch I totally agree. Meredith Brooks hit the nail on the head with the song Bitch. It's not an "angry" song either. It seems like if it's a woman, and she isn't singing about love then she's slapped with the "angry chick" label. We all know that isn't true about POE and she's been mis-placed in this category. I think the reason why Bitch is popular is not because of some angry women fad, but because we can RELATE. Well, I can anyways. Later~ Jodi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 15:26:37 +0100 From: Roger Knox (Roger Knox) Subject: Poe Fest Countdown 4 weeks to the West Coast Angry-Psychos Poe Fest in Monterey, Saturday August 9, from 4pm to 10pm. To Those That Can't Come: send us a card or photo or letter to put up on our 30" x 40" autograph board. Everyone in attendance will sign and a photo and/or the board itself will be sent to PoE via Modern Records. To Those Who Will Attend: this is going to be a blast! Good food, drink, music (hopefully good weather), and hanging out with fellow APs. Sounds like a beer commercial! To Those On The Fence: stop it!!!! Just come...I can't imagine you'll be sorry, but I do know you may regret not being here. We want you here! RSVP soon! We are holding at between 42 and 45 people. The Angry-Psychos lawn is doing well...we're getting a lot of curious looks these days. Oh yeah...something else...a new debate for the party will include the Angry Chick Rocker topic now currently in the Top Ten Angry-Psychos subscription list tangents. Roger Regional Coordinator, West Coast Angry-Psychos rogerk@mbay.net rogerk@poe.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:16:03 -0700 (MST) From: "POE.ORG" Subject: -= REPOST =- YOUR PoE PAGE On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, poe.org wrote: > > Greetings... > > Well with the Fourth of July over and fall just around the corner - it is > upgrade time... Faster computers... Bigger monitors... MORE MORE MORE... > > > Who will save your soul? JEWEL - Hell no... POE.ORG > > > DO YOU HAVE A POE PAGE? > A partial POE Page? > Just index.html? > > > It is needed at POE.ORG. > > Over the next month I am going to compile as many POE related Pages as > possible and have a complete list for people to search through... > Everybody keeps posting about their Page, etc. I have not kept tabs on > where they all are. > > We are starting to get some good press and The Angry Psychos is becoming a > name. This is all happening under the umbrella of POE.ORG...?... I need > to step up. Poe tells people to come here. It makes me proud. > > Please help in feeding all of the new POE fans that come to the internet > with good POE links. That means yours. Send the URL - add to the fire! > > > Sincerely, > POE.ORG > poe.org@cyberfan.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:13:46 -0700 (MST) From: "POE.ORG" Subject: A New Twist - Re: ANGRY CHICK SINGER - -= snip =- > i don't want her to become famous or anything it's just that I think that > she's so good that if people get wind of her, she'll become overdone and > that seriously scares me. I'm not ready to share her with the rest of the > world... > cykoluv - -= snip =- As I see it... Being overplayed is a byproduct of success. What is unfortunate is the fact that the artist usually doesn't have any say in this process. The record company still believes that Excess is Best... I disagree. As does POE. I commend POE for her ability to pick the "right" things to do in her career. I know that I would go for the almighty buck... Invest well... Live hapily ever after... heh Don't forget... POE has been pursuing this for 20 years. She still is an unknown - ala TOOL (who has been together for 14 yrs). It is an uphill battle - to balance success and a potential "Sell Out." It is "us" that will keep the perception of "Sell Out" from people's minds. Meaning... When you hear somebody singing Angry Johnny and you roll your eyes in disgust because this person just "heard" of POE from the radio, step to them and ask if they have heard Beautiful Girl and Junkie. If they look confused - you can broaden their horizons to POE music. Help them become a true fan (whatever that means) and don't walk away. This will help POE's career more than you can imagine. BECAUSE - This person will do the same thing to somebody else - all because of YOU! Thank You - POE.ORG P.S. POE is one of the most successful unknowns... I have yet to hear of any other female musician that is doping so much in her career (movie offers, sound tracks, video games). POE is an entertainer - not just a musician. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 03:22:02 +0200 From: "Jorrit Harssema" Subject: Are there some Dutch AP's ?? Hi, I was wondering: are the any AP's from Europe, especially from the Netherlands (Belgium or Germany is ok too). I've got the feeling (considerting the messages I got since I joined the AP mailing list) all the AP's are from the U.S. of A. TOFN, Jorrit Harssema (Fate waits, | (e-mail: while you hurry | J.J.Harssema@student.utwente.nl or while you wait | Homepage: it's all the same to fate) | www.cs.utwente.nl/~jharssem/index.html (Siggy Yavotnik, 1946-1967) | ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 03:42:57 +0200 From: "Jorrit Harssema" Subject: RE: Angry Chick Singer The 'ngry Chick Singer'discussion had at leats this resullt: I'll go Plato (my favorite record-store) to listen to Liz Phair and Meredith Brooks. PS: Shirley Manson (from Garbage, as you know) was an 'angry chick'. She said: 'I was very unhappy at school, I was terribly nagged so I became very agessive. When I came home after school, I beat up my little sister. I was out of control in an alarming, terrifying way. I cut myself, I hurt myself, because I hated myself.' (Translated from Dutch by myself, Interview in Oor, nr. 14/15, 1997.) Jorrit Harssema (Fate waits, | (e-mail: while you hurry | J.J.Harssema@student.utwente.nl or while you wait | Homepage: it's all the same to fate) | http://www.cs.utwente.nl/~jharssem/index.html (Siggy Yavotnik, 1946-1967) | ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 22:27:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Mandabears@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: ANGRY CHICK SINGER I kinda agree with y'all, but i don't feel that liz phair and my dear ani should be compared with evil-hearted alanis and shirley manson..... another thing, a second ago i was thinking that anger can't be faked, but maybe i think it can be....anguish wouldn't be though, cause why would you want to be sad and tell everyone why you are sad? Mandamandamandamandamandamandamanda ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 00:52:03 -0400 From: LARVA Subject: Grrrrrr... You people need to stop with the angry chick thing. Not every song written by a woman is angry....it seems as if we're all trying to shoot down every woman as nothing but a bottle of rage. Get over it. -Husk ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V2 #235 ***********************************