From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V2 #196 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, June 11 1997 Volume 02 : Number 196 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Dealing with Steve ["Evan E. Zelig" ] Re: Steve the asswipe @ liz phair ["CockyŽ" ] NPR:the virus thing [Gelsey1004@aol.com] Re: Fwd: NEW MEMBER INTRO ["Colin Kevin Van Ostern O'Loughlin" ] steve [Joe Hay ] Re: Fwd: NEW MEMBER INTRO [Joe Hay ] Re: Fwd: NEW MEMBER INTRO [Clint Doyle ] NLP - Steve: bashing other people's preferences [Clint Doyle ] Poe Desktop Theme [SFPooh@aol.com] AP vs. Liz [lindam@mail.igateway.net] The Real: Poe vs. Liz [lindam@mail.igateway.net] Re: The Real: Poe vs. Liz [Casey Hansen ] Re: NLP - Steve: bashing other people's preferences ["angel" ] Re: Steve the asswipe @ liz phair [John Beadle ] Poe vs Phair feud [express@kih.net (express)] Re: Poe Desktop Theme ["Allan Grimm (The Reaper)" ] Virus [Ron ] Re: NLP/some poe content... ["angel" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:16:46 -0700 From: "Evan E. Zelig" Subject: Dealing with Steve APs. Although this Steve person may be a bit of an asshole, we cannot take drastic action against him using the list or people on the list. The reason is because if Steve complains to his ISP (or TV company... whatever...) then Jarrod and the rest of the list admins and POE.ORG could get in trouble. Harassment over the Internet is harrassment nonetheless. Just let the asshole be. It is not necessary for everyone to send him the letter. It is between him and whoever the letter was origianlly to. ============================================================================ Evan E. Zelig - ezelig@earthlink.net CHECK OUT BACKSTAGE ONLINE - http://206.43.146.101/backstage/ Among The Top 5% Of All Music Web Sites! Featured In Music Connection Magazine (Vol. XXI, Issue #5) ============================================================================ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:13:45 -0700 From: "CockyŽ" Subject: Re: Steve the asswipe @ liz phair Whats the mail list address... If we send several hundred letters to the list it would really fuck shit up.... But thats just me... Cocky=AE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:47:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Gelsey1004@aol.com Subject: NPR:the virus thing Ok - here I am to apologize for the virus chain letter. I am very gullible and I know nothing about computers or this online thing. So since I received that letter on another list that I am on I figured I would send it on. I didn't know that it wasn't real and I know how much aol sucks so I figured it was true. I won't do it again - I promise! Forgive me? a very sorry ap - Gelsey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Colin Kevin Van Ostern O'Loughlin" Subject: Re: Fwd: NEW MEMBER INTRO GRRRRRRR Where's AJ & his mail bombs when you need him??? ,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;,.,;:'"^"':;., * Colin Van Ostern | "I'm not even supposed to be * * George Washington U.| here today!" * * Washington, DC | - Dante, "Clerks" * ,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;,.,;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;., On Tue, 10 Jun 1997 MAME19@aol.com wrote: > And, not to be rude or anything, but you should be ASHAMED of yourself > for being a Poe fan! She sucks, she ripped off the cover art for > WhipSmart for her own album! (The face in a star thing---ask anyone.) "Hey Joe, did you know about the face in a star thing?" "No, I have no idead what you are talking about" "oh Ok. nevermind" > Most people here, I think, dislike Poe, so don't go bragging about how > you're on a *mailing list* for her, for God's sake. Wow, a whole mailing list of music-taste deprived people? Impressive.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:03:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Colin Kevin Van Ostern O'Loughlin" Subject: Re: Steve the asswipe @ liz phair Since he is a webtv person..... I good hacker (someone other than me...) should be able to screw with his e-mail.... since TVs dont have memory, the WebTV unit just retrieves mail from the central server when an individual needs it...could'nt someone delete all of his mail??? Or give him new mail..I doubt WebTV can trace stuff well enough to know its not really from Director@Cia.gov ,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;,.,;:'"^"':;., * Colin Van Ostern | "I'm not even supposed to be * * George Washington U.| here today!" * * Washington, DC | - Dante, "Clerks" * ,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;,.,;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;., ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:00:06 -0500 From: "angel" Subject: Re: NEW MEMBER INTRO Well I'm on the Liz Phair list, and most everyone is nice to me. I love both Liz and Poe so you're not the only one!!! Don't worry about it, the first week I was on the Liz list someone wrote a msg like that and I yelled at him for a while. And no, I don't think we hate Liz Phair!! If I hated her, I would never have heard of Poe... angel - ---------- > From: MAME19@aol.com > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Fwd: NEW MEMBER INTRO > Date: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 3:48 PM > > Look I got dogged when i joined the Liz Phair list....they are kinda mean > there.....do we all hate Liz Phair??? I don't think so but we don't dog other > people for liking her...geez that guys message ruined my day angel@sd.cybernex.net * a_angel@rocketmail.com then a voice spoke in my head.. she said.. dark is not the opposite of light it is the abscence of light.. and I thought to myself.. she knows what she's talking about.. and for a moment I knew what it was all about namaste ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:52:52 -0500 From: Joe Hay Subject: steve I do think something should be done with Steve, but not too drastic. As some of you might remember I almost went to court because I told a guy who sent me a chain letter: "Fuck you and your stupid chain letter." I know its kinda stupid but there are internet violation blah blah blah codes and a lot of people with itchy suing fingers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:54:39 -0500 From: Joe Hay Subject: Re: Fwd: NEW MEMBER INTRO > ,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;,.,;:'"^"':;., > * Colin Van Ostern | "I'm not even supposed to be * > * George Washington U.| here today!" * > * Washington, DC | - Dante, "Clerks" * > Haha! That movie kicks ass!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:35:05 -0700 From: Clint Doyle Subject: Re: Fwd: NEW MEMBER INTRO MAME19@aol.com wrote: > > Look I got dogged when i joined the Liz Phair list....they are kinda mean > there.....do we all hate Liz Phair??? I don't think so but we don't dog other > people for liking her...geez that guys message ruined my day As you can tell from my sig, (and Emily can attest to from Vegas, dragging her into the gift shop at The Hard Rock Hotel because Liz Phair's guitar was on the wall....) I am a Liz Phair phan.... I think I am even the one that sent you the info on joining...... Well, with an a$$ like this, I have lost what little respect I had left for that mailing list. Just gonna have to go give them a piece of my mind........ Clint (who is still gonna keep his Liz Phair sig cause he likes it....) Angry PsYcHo, and damn proud of it!!!!!! ********************************************************************** Clint Doyle, CNA | "And the license said you had to stick around hcdoyle@direct.ca | until I was dead, But if you're tired of hcdoyle@poe.org | looking at my face I guess I already am" | "Divorce Song" - Liz Phair ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:17:17 -0700 From: Clint Doyle Subject: NLP - Steve: bashing other people's preferences This is for Steve....you know who you are.... I am a POE and a Liz Phair fan. Is something wrong with being a POE fan?? I recently advised someone from the POE list to join this list after they saw my sig, and they were greeted by what I think was a very obnoxious message (which was forwarded to the POE list by the way, so 400 Angry PsYcHoS now have your e-mail address......) After seeing what was said, I am ashamed to be a part of this mailing list. My opinions are my own, and I like POE. I also like Liz Phair and a whole pile of other music people a lot of people wouldn't even listen to...... Flame me if you will, but that's the way I feel. We should be embracing new members, not turning them away by ridiculing their likes and dislikes. Comments such as: "you should be ASHAMED of yourself for being a Poe fan! She sucks," and "Most people here, I think, dislike Poe, so don't go bragging about how you're on a *mailing list* for her, for God's sake." in my opinion were uncalled for and rude. If this is how a new member is to be treated, I think it is time for me to try to unsubscribe from this list....... Clint disappointed Angry PsYcHo Liz phanatic....... ********************************************************************** Clint Doyle, CNA | "And the license said you had to stick around hcdoyle@direct.ca | until I was dead, But if you're tired of hcdoyle@poe.org | looking at my face I guess I already am" | "Divorce Song" - Liz Phair ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:27:57 -0700 From: Clint Doyle Subject: Re: NEW MEMBER INTRO angel wrote: > at him for a while. And no, I don't think we hate Liz Phair!! If I hated > her, I would never have heard of Poe... > angel The first place I ever heard of POE was on the Liz Phair mailing list. Somebody over there had great taste in music.... Liz Phair and POE : ) Clint ********************************************************************** Clint Doyle, CNA | "And the license said you had to stick around hcdoyle@direct.ca | until I was dead, But if you're tired of hcdoyle@poe.org | looking at my face I guess I already am" | "Divorce Song" - Liz Phair ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:17:58 -0400 (EDT) From: SFPooh@aol.com Subject: Poe Desktop Theme So there I was trying to compile data for my Poe desktop theme for my computer and I thought "hey, wouldn't it be great to have an Angry-Psycho/Poe desktop theme". So here I am. I am going to make an Angry-Psycho desktop theme for WIN 95 MS Plus. If you have any ideas, sounds (must be fairly short), photos, animated cursors, etc. that you would like to contribute just e-mail me. If you have any photos you want put in but don't have a scanner I can scan them and return the photo. I have sound editing programs that will produce smooth sounds and a scanner for photos. I will distribute the program free (of course) by either disk or e-mail (you will be responsible for the disk and postage if you choose to go that route). If there is enough interest maybe we can persuade Poe to do a little intro sound clip that is Angry-Psycho specific! Those are my plans so far so please let me know if you are interested or have any ideas or material. Thanx! APLuv Shawn shawn@poe.org sfpooh@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:46:22 +0000 From: lindam@mail.igateway.net Subject: AP vs. Liz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:03:32 +0000 From: lindam@mail.igateway.net Subject: The Real: Poe vs. Liz Sorry, bout that first message, something got kinda screwed up ....anyways...here's what i had to say... >Personally, I like both liz and Poe...and that's my personal >taste. If someone else likes one but not the other, that's there >taste. I know this guy was being a major asshole for downing >someone elses taste, but why not just leave him be, let him >think that what he says might actually matter.... >give him a little satisfaction...you know, if we flood his mail with >hatemail, then he'll get off on doing the same.... >my personal phylosphy is......wait...I don't have one... >Ok, anyways....just forget him...he doesn't matter..... >Greg... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:07:36 -0700 From: Casey Hansen Subject: Re: The Real: Poe vs. Liz I like POE better, Liz is cool but her voice is too damn low! Danke, Casey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:45:20 -0500 From: "angel" Subject: Re: NLP - Steve: bashing other people's preferences I'm with Clint, I'm on both lists and love both Poe and Liz both for their differences and their SIMILARITIES. They are both very strong female artists with great meaning in their songs and similar sounds, and I would never have even heard of Poe except I saw an advertisement comparing Liz with Poe. So I really don't get people who hate Poe and love Liz, and vice versa, because they're really a lot alike. Anyway, Steve, if you're going to go around insulting other people's music tastes, watch out because the Angry Psychos are very loyal to Poe, just as people on the Liz list are loyal to Liz. You had no right to say what you said and I advise you take it back. angel--a poe fan--a liz phair fan - ---------- > From: Clint Doyle > To: Liz Phair Mailing List > Cc: Angry-PsYcHoS list > Subject: NLP - Steve: bashing other people's preferences > Date: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 9:17 PM > > This is for Steve....you know who you are.... > > I am a POE and a Liz Phair fan. Is something wrong with being a POE > fan?? > I recently advised someone from the POE list to join this list after > they saw my sig, and they were greeted by what I think was a very > obnoxious message (which was forwarded to the POE list by the way, so > 400 Angry PsYcHoS now have your e-mail address......) > > After seeing what was said, I am ashamed to be a part of this mailing > list. My opinions are my own, and I like POE. I also like Liz Phair > and a whole pile of other music people a lot of people wouldn't even > listen to...... > > Flame me if you will, but that's the way I feel. We should be embracing > new members, not turning them away by ridiculing their likes and > dislikes. Comments such as: > "you should be ASHAMED of yourself for being a Poe fan! She sucks," > and > "Most people here, I think, dislike Poe, so don't go bragging about how > you're on a *mailing list* for her, for God's sake." > > in my opinion were uncalled for and rude. If this is how a new member > is to be treated, I think it is time for me to try to unsubscribe from > this list....... > > Clint > disappointed Angry PsYcHo Liz phanatic....... > ********************************************************************** > Clint Doyle, CNA | "And the license said you had to stick around > hcdoyle@direct.ca | until I was dead, But if you're tired of > hcdoyle@poe.org | looking at my face I guess I already am" > | "Divorce Song" - Liz Phair > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:21:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Colin Kevin Van Ostern O'Loughlin" Subject: Re: steve As much as I am irritated at the Poe hater, PLEASE do not retaliate in the name of APs....personal vendettas are just that (personal) but dont let us get screwed up over this... Later, Colin ,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;,.,;:'"^"':;., * Colin Van Ostern | "I'm not even supposed to be * * George Washington U.| here today!" * * Washington, DC | - Dante, "Clerks" * ,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;,.,;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;., On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Joe Hay wrote: > I do think something should be done with Steve, but not too drastic. As > some of you might remember I almost went to court because I told a guy > who sent me a chain letter: "Fuck you and your stupid chain letter." I > know its kinda stupid but there are internet violation blah blah blah > codes and a lot of people with itchy suing fingers. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:31:27 -0500 From: John Beadle Subject: Re: Steve the asswipe @ liz phair Colin Kevin Van Ostern O'Loughlin wrote: > > Since he is a webtv person..... > > I good hacker (someone other than me...) should be able to screw with his > e-mail.... since TVs dont have memory, the WebTV unit just retrieves mail > from the central server when an individual needs it...could'nt someone > delete all of his mail??? > > Or give him new mail..I doubt WebTV can trace stuff well enough to >know > its not really from Director@Cia.gov Well I can teach anyone how to send an e-mail from a fake address, or make it seem someone else sent a message, but I don't kno how to kill his address without his password. If ne1 wants to, I'll tell ya how to make it look like he's mailing the ppl at webtv and saying stuff to get him kicked off of the account, ne1 want to take the risk, mail me! - -Landon, realizing he got out of hacking 2 wks after he got into it a long time ago... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:52:48 -0400 From: express@kih.net (express) Subject: Poe vs Phair feud Not to be a bad guy, but I personally think that before anyone does anything to strike back at Steve the Asshole, they might want to check out the dictionary feature on their version of Encarta. After all, the impact of any type of revenge, be it verbal or physical, is lessened by a lack of proper education. If you write him and call him all sorts of names but manage to spell just about every word incorrectly, he will shrug you off as a base fool. If you really want to make a difference, just let him live his life in ignorance. If you write and flame him, you will only prove that he has gotten under your skin. For those of you who have never even listened to Liz Phair, please don't make a decision about her music based on what everyone else is saying. I personally never got into her sound, but she is a very intelligent, college educated woman who expresses her emotions through her music, and many people enjoy it. She is very much like Poe in that aspect, so do not be quick to judge her. If you really feel the need to flame some group, please direct your energies into either Hanson or the Spice Girls, as these "groups" are so fabricated that it is a shame that Billboard even allows them on the charts. If you need a reminder as to the staying power of these groups, just remember NKOTB or DeBarge. Colin Alexander Eliot Diesel@poe.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:02:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Allan Grimm (The Reaper)" Subject: Re: Poe Desktop Theme Hey all, I don't know if anyone cares, but I have a half finished Poe Desktop Theme for How Long. I just haven't finished the audio for it. It's pretty cool actually. I have the Poe Ball for My Computer. I have a pic of Kevin Spacey from Usual Suspects on the Network Neighborhood, and a pic of Robert Patric from T2 for the Recycle Bin. It also has an X-Men animated cursor. Of course I guess the background is kinda personalized though. I mixed one of the Poe pics with the pic of the Plague off her Atlantic page to make like a checker board effect in the background. If you have the Beavis and Butt-Head make over kit, I also have a version for that where the Hello pic comes on instead of the Windows welcome when the computer boots up. I forget what comes up on the log out though. The only problem with it is it sucks up a lot of the video memory. Well, I'm done sharing for now. If anyone knows where I can get cool audio to finish it, let me know. I want a full version of How Long so I can chop it up for the audio. Gotta go. Allan Reaper@poe.org A A A A Mother is the name Check out the /H| \\___A___// |H\ for God on the lips Angry Psychos //H| \/==v==\/ |H\\ and hearts of all @poe.org // H\\ |<>|<>| //H \\ children. - // H \\ \ | / // H \\ Brandon Lee - // H \\ |\|/| // H \\ The Crow // H \\_________|<|>|_________// H \\ *************************V************************* * * /* Allan Grimm *\ //* The Reaper on 99.3 FM ACRN in Athens Ohio. *\\ // * Check out ACRN on the web at * \\ // * http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~acrn * \\ // * A A A A A A * \\ // *******( )( )( )*******************( )( )( )******* \\ // (_)(_)(_) | +-------+ | (_)(_)(_) \\ H ____________ H ________ | +-------+ | ________ H ____________ H H/ \H/ \| +-------+ |/ \H/ \H V V | +-------+ | V V \ \_______/ / Losers always sit around and \ / ************************** whine about doing their best. \ / * * Winners go home and *@?! the ) / * Check out my web page * prom queen! - Sean Connery - / / * oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~lg310895 * The Rock / / * * ( / **************************** I'm going to show you that \ ( God does exist! - Nicholas \ ) Cage (Camron Poe) - Con Air ) / ( / V ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:10:50 -0400 (EDT) From: dk386@freenet.carleton.ca (Erik J. Hartley) Subject: NLP/some poe content... okay... first off... to contribute to the argument.. stop arguing... both liz and poe have awesome talent... and both are very successful artists and i happen to be a fan of both... and i think it's not just that steve guy that's being immature here... i remember when this used to be a poe/ angry psycho list... now it's the "battle of the bands"/"arguments about crap" list... i think it's kinda dumb to have to read through thirty "I like liz" "I hate liz" "burn steve at the stake" "let steve live" posts... i remember when this list was about AP love... now... AP love is all over the place OUTSIDE the list... but on the inside... it's all about hatred and prejudice... who's to say steve isn't an alright guy when he doesn't have his foot in his mouth???? now... i'm done with the LP stuff.... everyone check out my webpage.... http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~eh108896 it's gonna probably have it's final updates from allan before tomorrow night... enjoy... thanks again allan for all your help! ej ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:13:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Watrcolour@aol.com Subject: Re: The Real: Poe vs. Liz They are both spectacular. a person's choice is their choice no one should be given hell because of it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:20:16 -0500 From: Dark Magus Subject: Re: Joe Hay's ideas for Steve Joe Hay wrote: > > Postage paid by: [Image] > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > I do think something should be done with Steve, but not too drastic. As > some of you might remember I almost went to court because I told a guy > who sent me a chain letter: "Fuck you and your stupid chain letter." I > know its kinda stupid but there are internet violation blah blah blah > codes and a lot of people with itchy suing fingers. Yeah, but still... He can't track us, and there'd be so many of us that he'd never get around to sueing us. Besides, only fuckin idiots sue for something like that.... wait a minute, he IS a fuckin idiot... Oh well, I say MAILBOMB HIM! ~~~~~~Malaclypse III ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:23:49 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Virus I know that I will not be the only one to point this out, but this whole virus thing is just a hoax, an old one at that, designed to frighten newbies... You simply cannot get a virus by reading an email... So far I have seen this hoax pop up at least four or five times in the last couple of years... Don't feel bad if you fell for it, I can forgive ignorance, it's stupity that I can't stand... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:25:25 -0500 From: "angel" Subject: Re: NLP/some poe content... thanks EJ you're lovely. This list is so sad from the APlove that it had when I left last March. Now alot of you are on eachother's throats about things, what happened to the familyness?? Most lists i'm on are kind of cozy, occasionally there are fights but everything's lovey. Be nice guys. Love eachother. Love makes the world go round.. remember that POE brought us together, not a deep hatred of Steve taht we share!!! Steve is just a meaningless obscacle in the way of worshipping Poe, and isn't that what we're all here for??? thanks. angel - ---------- > From: Erik J. Hartley > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: NLP/some poe content... > Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 12:10 AM > > okay... first off... to contribute to the argument.. stop arguing... > both liz and poe have awesome talent... and both are very successful artists > and i happen to be a fan of both... and i think it's not just that steve > guy that's being immature here... i remember when this used to be a poe/ > angry psycho list... now it's the "battle of the bands"/"arguments about > crap" list... i think it's kinda dumb to have to read through thirty > "I like liz" "I hate liz" "burn steve at the stake" "let steve live" > posts... i remember when this list was about AP love... now... AP love > is all over the place OUTSIDE the list... but on the inside... it's all > about hatred and prejudice... who's to say steve isn't an alright guy > when he doesn't have his foot in his mouth???? > > > now... i'm done with the LP stuff.... > > everyone check out my webpage.... > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~eh108896 > > it's gonna probably have it's final updates from allan before tomorrow > night... enjoy... thanks again allan for all your help! > > ej ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V2 #196 ***********************************