From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V2 #170 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, May 19 1997 Volume 02 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- put poe on the radio [SBootsma2@aol.com] Psychosociology ["PadmaT" ] battle of bands ["Graziosi, Elizabeth" ] Private Show? ["PadmaT" ] Psychosecrets ["PadmaT" ] RE: to those who I offended. ["PadmaT" ] RE: POE ~ an idea ["PadmaT" ] RE: Psychosecrets [Patrick Langley ] Re: Fights at Poe show? [Kristina ] Re: Psychosociology ["Allan Grimm (The Reaper)" (Roger Knox)] Re: Cocky ["CockyŽ" ] Re: Cocky [J Myers ] Re: Fights at Poe show? [x-jiff-x@juno.com (Daiv Hogan)] Re: Hello! [Michael Kivitz ] Hey.......NPR: Sorry [Snakegrl6@aol.com] Re: Psychosecrets [Snakegrl6@aol.com] I live in rochester and went to the concert. [Car2une@aol.com] Does any1 know POE"s E-Mail address [Car2une@aol.com] Re: help [Nihasa9@aol.com] Re: my discrimination in music speech. [ilmortal ] Re: Hello! ["KindaLost" ] NPR: Meredith Brooks [PyroShwee@aol.com] Battle of the Bands [oobushoo@juno.com (Bich Ngoc Q Cao)] Re: Psychosecrets [oobushoo@juno.com (Bich Ngoc Q Cao)] Re: POE ~ an idea [Rebecca Lynn Clark ] Scan of Australian Angry Johnny single... [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Re: Psychosecrets [proudwolf@linknet.net] Re: Does any1 know POE"s E-Mail address [proudwolf@linknet.net] Re: Does any1 know POE"s E-Mail address ["Ed Hurtley" ] NPR: Bert [proudwolf@linknet.net] Interview Corrections... ["Evan E. Zelig" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 02:41:08 -0400 (EDT) From: SBootsma2@aol.com Subject: put poe on the radio Since we can change the way a voter goes maybe we can use our numbers to get POE on my local Radio station. Please Email the radio station and request that they play more POE on the radio. the address is: Y107RADIO@aol.com I love to listen to POE would like to hear it on the radio more. Let's us our numbers for good and not evil:-) SBootsma2 ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 1997 07:34:41 -0600 From: "PadmaT" Subject: Psychosociology Dear Allan and other APs, The point in Allan's note below is certainly well-taken, and I agree utterly with what it's saying. My suggestion to impose consequences upon those who flame other Psychos, especially with the clear intent to harm them, was never intended to be a "Big Brother" sort of thing. I have never suggested that people be punished or discouraged for expressing their opinions, but I do believe that decency and respect in that expression are the burden of responsibility for that freedom. So, if you disagree, disagree honestly, without bullying your detractor. I'm sick of bullies, and fully intend to stand up to them when other APs are being victimized. I don't want homogenous opinions--I want people feeling free and safe to express what they really think. But when some seek to rule by intimidation, then the freedom not only of the victim but of all APs is threatened. My notion of a "Psychoflood" is simply democracy in action--people (who choose to) standing up and demanding an apology from whomever is harming another. If we don't look out for each other, what do we become? Cynical and apathetic. Psycholove forever, Padma _______________________________________________________________________________ Hey all, I'm studying for a Social Psych exam that I have later today, and read something I thought was interesting, and thought I would share it, because I think it has some merit in this current debat. And I think that it makes me want to retracked earlier statments that I made. Anyway, here goes: Analysis of the decisions that led to several international fiascos indicates that a group's desire for hamony can override its realistic appraisal of contrary views. This is especially true when group members strongly desire unity, when they are isolated from opposing ideas, and when the leader signals what he or she wants from the group. Symptomatic of this overriding concern for harmony, labeled "groupthink," are (1) an illusion of invulnerability, (2) rationalization, (3) unquestioned belief in the group's morality, (4) stereotyped views of the opposition, (5) pressure to conform, (6) SELF-CENSORSHIP of misgivings, (7) an illusion of unaniminty, and (8) "MINDGUARDS" who protect the group from unpleasant information. However, both in experiments and in actual history, groups sometimes decide wisely. These causes suggest remedies for groupthink. By seeking information from all sides and improving the evaluation of possible alternatives, a group can benefit from its members' combined insight. - Social Psychology (5th ed) - David G. Myers - p. 346 In closing, I guess the point that I'm trying to make is that in every group you are going to have some discourse now and then. And YES it is irratating to see someone get flamed, not to mention a bad way to prove a point. Everyones opinion is important, and just because some people can't voice their opinions without sounding like a jerk, doesn't mean we should ban them from voicing that opinion. However at the same time, I hope that those of you that read this, see that flaming is also a form of stopping someone else from voicing their opinion. I think over all, this is a great group of people, and that's why I'm still here. And I think if we all give it a chance, the AP love will prevail! I've seen it happen a few times, and I know it's out there, so I'll end my speech, and hope that you all took something good away from this experience. AP Love forever! Allan Reaper@poe.org A A A A The greatest trick Check out the /H| \\___A___// |H\ the devil ever Angry Psychos //H| \/==v==\/ |H\\ pulled was @poe.org // H\\ |<>|<>| //H \\ convincing // H \\ \ | / // H \\ the world that // H \\ |\|/| // H \\ he didn't exist // H \\_________|<|>|_________// H \\ - Kevin Spacey *************************V************************* - The Usual * * Suspects /* Allan Grimm *\ //* The Reaper on 99.3 FM ACRN in Athens Ohio. *\\ // * Check out ACRN on the web at * \\ // * http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~acrn * \\ // * A A A A A A * \\ // *******( )( )( )*******************( )( )( )******* \\ // (_)(_)(_) | +-------+ | (_)(_)(_) \\ H ____________ H ________ | +-------+ | ________ H ____________ H H/ \H/ \| +-------+ |/ \H/ \H V V | +-------+ | V V \ \_______/ / I wish I were a superhero \ / ************************** like the X-Men in the comics, \ / * * Cause maybe then I could have ) / * Check out my web page * withstood the blast, But I / / * oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~lg310895 * shattered like an ordinary / / * * sheet of glass, And there's ( / **************************** not enough superglue in the \ ( world. - How Long - POE \ ) ) / ( / V - ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mail.rmc.org with ADMIN;16 May 1997 06:24:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by oak.cats.ohiou.edu; (5.65v4.0 (EXP 1/13/96 CSC32::C_Jacobson)/1.1.8.2/03Feb95-1128AM) id AA28932; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:32:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:32:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Allan Grimm (The Reaper)" To: "Shaun P. Orton" Cc: PadmaT , Angry Psychos , Jarrod Subject: Re: Psycholove or Flames? In-Reply-To: <337BF916.6A57@MHO.NET> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:47:32 -0400 From: "Graziosi, Elizabeth" Subject: battle of bands Hi everyone! i hope you all liked rochester, i sounded really good, iwsh i could have been there but i though you all would like to see something i got from a girl off aol. She's in a bush fan club thing and this is a letter she sent everyone who liked bush, I thought it was funnny ~~~~Hey all fellow bush fans! Poe has 142772 votes in battle of the bands! Bush is falling behind!! waaay behind!!! help out, vote at least 30 times, please, here is the adress: http://users.aol.com/EtrnlDream/bush.html keep hitting the reload button at least 30 times THANX! bush will be forever thankful! >>~~~~ I thought that was funny, they are desperate bye! eliz ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 1997 08:10:15 -0600 From: "PadmaT" Subject: Private Show? I vote for Denver. It's pretty here, And the air is thin! _______________________________________________________________________________ > I vote for New Orleans, LA. > Poe already loves it there. > Besides, Trent R. could come and see the show again. I vote for Chicago Jezebel ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 1997 08:02:09 -0600 From: "PadmaT" Subject: Psychosecrets So, Jarrod knows something we don't know, and some of you know something Jarrod doesn't. Yes, this is teasing. It's evil, but it's fun. I'll have to cook up a few myself. Hopefully, there will be revelations?--by and by? Please, O PLEASE! Padma ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 1997 08:09:00 -0600 From: "PadmaT" Subject: RE: to those who I offended. Dear Jason, There's a HUGE difference between disliking another artist and trying to get someone kicked of the AP list for *liking* that artist. We should be able to disagree without becoming threatening. People's tastes differ, thank the Goddess!--but even She knows that POE rules! Padma _______________________________________________________________________________ Sorry if I pissed anyone off with my little opinion on Bush. I realize that not everyone may like Poe as much as me or anyone else. I just kind of thought that that Jill girl was cutting Poe down. So, my point is that I don't want you guys to think that I am a total asshole, just a partial asshole! - ------------------------------------- Jason says: Go to http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/2669/ - ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mail.rmc.org with ADMIN;18 May 1997 18:25:34 -0600 Received: from PITNET.PITNET.net (mkeport205.pitnet.net [156.46.121.205]) by ultra1.phoenixnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id TAA11484; Sun, 18 May 1997 19:17:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970518191723.0069427c@email.pitnet.net> X-Sender: jason@email.pitnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 19:17:23 -0500 To: x-jiff-x@juno.com, billho@na.informix.com, pendragn@calweb.com, ilmortal@net.bluemoon.net, lg310895@oak.cats.ohiou.edu, padmat@mail.rmc.org, ShaunO@MHO.NET, joshling@pacbell.net, oobushoo@juno.com, jmyers@neo.lrun.com, airkc1@juno.com, rc889@oak.cats.ohiou.edu, joghurt@worldnet.att.net From: Jason Capriotti Subject: to those who I offended. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 1997 08:20:19 -0600 From: "PadmaT" Subject: RE: POE ~ an idea I'd take POE to Roxborough Park or further into the Rockies, maybe to a Fire Gigglers weekend. We Fire Gigglers--poets, musicians, dancers, artists--gather in the wilderness 3-4 times a year and spend the weekend giving live performances (in nature!), drinking much beer (not to mention the Admiral), and eating much food. We also hike, hurl ourselves into the flames, and make love to the more shapely aspens. _______________________________________________________________________________ Hi kids! Ok...all this bitching and moaning is really annoying the hell out of me..and to try to get this list back on the subject of POE...I have come up with a little question...add any others that you might think of. Ok....if you could hang out with POE for one whole day....what would you do? - ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mail.rmc.org with ADMIN;15 May 1997 21:50:55 -0600 Received: from jane.smoe.org (daemon@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA25870; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:50:21 - -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA28933; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:50:55 -0400 Received: by jane.smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 15 May 1997 23:50:54 -0400 Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA28917; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:50:43 -0400 Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA28907; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:50:27 -0400 From: Nihasa9@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA23674 for angry-psychos@smoe.org; Thu, 15 May 1997 23:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970515234934_-698715809@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: POE ~ an idea Sender: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:03:13 -0500 From: Patrick Langley Subject: RE: Psychosecrets yes jarrod seems to be having a merry time engaging us all with his teasing. maybe you should go ring the information out of him. >---------- >From: PadmaT[SMTP:padmat@mail.rmc.org] >Sent: Monday, May 19, 1997 9:02AM >To: Angry Psychos >Subject: Psychosecrets > >So, Jarrod knows something we don't know, and some of you know >something >Jarrod doesn't. > >Yes, this is teasing. It's evil, but it's fun. I'll have to cook up a >few >myself. > >Hopefully, there will be revelations?--by and by? Please, O PLEASE! > >Padma > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:09:15 +0000 From: Kristina Subject: Re: Fights at Poe show? radiof@pipeline.com wrote: > > What kind of fights are you talking about...... well was it just > pushing people when people danced? In Rochester people were beating the crap out of each other. My mother so one guy literally try to break one guys next and would have if security didn't show up just then. People were just starting actual fights in the pit not pushing. There was a lot more but don't feel like getting into it Kristina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:39:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Allan Grimm (The Reaper)" Subject: Re: Psychosociology Padma, Well said! I'm glad that you took the time to read and respond to my post. I hope everyone did at least read it. Thanks for backing me up too. Allan Reaper@poe.org A A A A The greatest trick Check out the /H| \\___A___// |H\ the devil ever Angry Psychos //H| \/==v==\/ |H\\ pulled was @poe.org // H\\ |<>|<>| //H \\ convincing // H \\ \ | / // H \\ the world that // H \\ |\|/| // H \\ he didn't exist // H \\_________|<|>|_________// H \\ - Kevin Spacey *************************V************************* - The Usual * * Suspects /* Allan Grimm *\ //* The Reaper on 99.3 FM ACRN in Athens Ohio. *\\ // * Check out ACRN on the web at * \\ // * http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~acrn * \\ // * A A A A A A * \\ // *******( )( )( )*******************( )( )( )******* \\ // (_)(_)(_) | +-------+ | (_)(_)(_) \\ H ____________ H ________ | +-------+ | ________ H ____________ H H/ \H/ \| +-------+ |/ \H/ \H V V | +-------+ | V V \ \_______/ / I wish I were a superhero \ / ************************** like the X-Men in the comics, \ / * * Cause maybe then I could have ) / * Check out my web page * withstood the blast, But I / / * oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~lg310895 * shattered like an ordinary / / * * sheet of glass, And there's ( / **************************** not enough superglue in the \ ( world. - How Long - POE \ ) ) / ( / V ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 08:45:37 +0100 From: Roger Knox (Roger Knox) Subject: AP PARTY IN MONTEREY! Well all you Angry-Psychos... In July or August, a group of us West Coast Angry-Psychos are throwing a party called the "West Coast Angry-Psychos Poe Fest." We are making this announcement without the actual date so that all you APs can start begging, borrowing or well, you know the rest, to save your pennies and attend the party. The Monterey Peninsula is a world famous vacation spot and this will make it even more so. The party will be OPEN TO ALL AGES. It will be FREE. There will be lots of good food, beer and wine, (only for those with ID), and silly contests. The party will likely be held at our home in Monterey. In the coming days and weeks, we will fill in details, the first being the actual date. There are at least 15 hotels within walking distance of our home which charge on the average $50/night. For those that can spend a few days here, there is the Monterey Bay Aquarium, hiking, scuba diving, kayaking, whale watching, fishing, mountain biking and lots of good restaurants. This is open to any Angry-Psycho plus one guest. We want APs to bring photos, videos, and anything signed by Poe, or related to Poe to the party. We especially encourage the WCAPs to attend!!! Other party themes will be, Vegetarians vs. the meat eaters (an old favorite), Poe vs. (plug in an artist), "Founding" APs vs. "New" APs, and a roundtable discussion on the merits of cybersex. If you are even REMOTELY interested in attending this bash, please email me privately so that we can get a feel for general numbers. This will NOT constitute your RSVP, we will request that later. We know this will be a rockin good time...oh yeah, something else...could someone bring the "Hello" CD, I hear it has some good music on it. Roger Regional Coordinator, West Coast Angry-Psychos rogerk@mbay.net rogerk@poe.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:24:00 -0700 From: "CockyŽ" Subject: Re: Cocky Colin Kevin Van Ostern O'Loughlin wrote: > Hey, would you mind describing the AP shirts? several people on the > Raleigh list are curious... > > Later, > Colin > > ,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;,.,;:'"^"':;., > * Colin Van Ostern | "I'm not even supposed to be * > * George Washington U.| here today!" * > * Washington, DC | - Dante, "Clerks" * > ,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;,.,;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;., The AP shirts can be seen at www.angry-psychos.com. Jim Myers has some pics up from some of the other shows where people wore them. Perhaps he can give his web address. Anyone else with pics in the AP shirts please send the addresses to the list! Basically they have stenciled on the front "Angry Psycho" and on the back, small below the tag, they have the circle/star logo and www.poe.org and then the specific concert information. They are cool and we have used several different color shirts and inks! Cocky=AE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:37:12 -0400 From: J Myers Subject: Re: Cocky Cocky. wrote: > = > Colin Kevin Van Ostern O'Loughlin wrote: > = > > Hey, would you mind describing the AP shirts? several people on the > > Raleigh list are curious... > > > > Later, > > Colin > > > > ,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;,.,;:'"^"':;., > > * Colin Van Ostern | "I'm not even supposed to be * > > * George Washington U.| here today!" * > > * Washington, DC | - Dante, "Clerks" * > > ,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;,.,;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;.,.;:'"^"':;., > = > The AP shirts can be seen at www.angry-psychos.com. Jim Myers has som= e > pics up from some of the other shows where people wore them. Perhaps > he can give his web address. Anyone else with pics in the AP shirts > please send the addresses to the list! Basically they have stenciled > on the front "Angry Psycho" and on the back, small below the tag, > they have the circle/star logo and www.poe.org and then the specific > concert information. They are cool and we have used several different > color shirts and inks! > Cocky=AE The URL for the Vegas/Richmond/Dc page is http://www.newreach.net/people/xover/ There are a couple of the shirts, I don't think there are any back shots..with the star logo, etc. But expect to see some of those within the next week or two.. Later! Jim Myers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:09:07 EDT From: x-jiff-x@juno.com (Daiv Hogan) Subject: Re: Fights at Poe show? On Sun, 18 May 1997 21:49:41 -0400 (EDT) PuppyDawg3@aol.com writes: >hey if you cant take the shit, dont go into the pit i didn't go into the pit, i stood in the same spot the entire time, and had to deal with assholes running into me, throwing shit that hit me, etc... (speaking of which, i saw a doctor today, and i sure-as- hell got a concussion there, what from, well, i dunno... i think it might be the beer cup that hit my head... oh well...) Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:07:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Kivitz Subject: Re: Hello! Hell Yeah Brette!! Preach on, she's welcome over at my place WHENEVER. She doesn't even have to give me *ANY* notice, all she has to do is just show up, and if I'm not home, wait a while, and I'll be there!! Mike > >i think we should try to get poe to do an ap-only > >> >show... (of course, where could she play it? i'll volunteer my > >> >house...) =) > > me too. POE never comes to FL!!!! you all can stay at my house too. and > MIKE KIVITZ'S HOUSE 'cuz he complains that POE doesn't come down here almost > as much as i do!! :) > > brette, who has 14 days and 15 minutes until the day where she meets POE > begins > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:26:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Snakegrl6@aol.com Subject: Hey.......NPR: Sorry Hey all you psychos!! What's up? I'm sorry I haven't posted in a while. I've been really busy lately. I'm doing a school play and have practiced for three hours every day for the past three weeks! It sux but hopefully when its over [tommorow] I can be more participant. <-------is that even a word? Oh well. Just wanted to say sorry and that I'll be posting as often as I did last time I was an AP. Also, I have a friend [Melissa] who will hopefully be an AP soon. She has been trying to become one for the past three weeks but Majordomo isn't responding right to her computer. Sooo...... Happy New Week!!!! Love ya, Jessie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Snakegrl6@aol.com Subject: Re: Psychosecrets Maybe Jarrod doesn't know anything at all and all he is doing is just TEASING!! Remember when Tym@n said he didnt know who Poe was just to piss us off? think about it love ya jessie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:00:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Car2une@aol.com Subject: I live in rochester and went to the concert. POE kicked!! She played all the good songs some kids got kicked out for crowed surfing. And one guy broke his ankle. To all AP go see POE live every chance U get. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:03:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Car2une@aol.com Subject: Does any1 know POE"s E-Mail address If any1 knows POE's E-Mail address please send it 2 me at Car2une@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:52:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Nihasa9@aol.com Subject: Re: help Whats this about Sponge? Where are they playing? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:17:50 -0400 From: ilmortal Subject: Re: my discrimination in music speech. Ok one last time: Marilyn Manson do not/does not worship satan!!!!!! Yes I know this is a Poe list but people on it are saying uninformed things about Marilyn Manson so sorry to those this doesn't apply too. Dube bong tech "American by Birth, Antichrist by Choice" On Sat, 17 May 1997, Ron wrote: > I have to say that I agree with you on the discrimination angle, but > I happen to like MM's music, and could frankly care less whether he > worships satan, winnie the pooh, or the "Bridges of Madison County" > (which is far more evil than satan could ever hope to be :) Besides > rock music should have a "dangerous" element, I'd have to agree with > Trent Reznor (quoted from a recent Rolling Stone article...) "Rock > and roll should be about rebellion. It should piss your parents > off, and it should offer some element of taboo. It should be > dangerous, you know? Thats why I applaud bands like Marilyn > Manson..." > > Heck thats one of the things I like about P(*)e (only one of the > many things I like about her mind you...) > > Just the proverbial two bits... > > GaulAiel@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 97-05-16 00:50:12 EDT, Flickergrl@aol.com > > writes: > > > > << > > another controversial band i'm sure you all have heard of > > is Marilyn > > Manson. > > The band has had many problems with certain cities trying to > > deny them the > > right to play. Its true that they may worship satan, but the > > rumors of of sacrificing and murder on stage are all false. > > while i'm not in any way for or against this band, under the US > > constitution, they are guaranteed the right to free speech. the > > city of richmond tried to deny them these rights by not letting > > them play there. manson, along with the American Civil Liberties > > Union filed a lawsuit on First Amendment grounds. They were > > arguing that the venue where the show was scheduled cannot ban a > > performer based on lyrical content alone. Manson won this case, > > and was allowed to play the show. Also, some trouble has been > > worked up about manson playing > > on > > the bill of Ozzfest. The Meadowlands, a huge concert venue in > > NYC refused > > to > > sell tickets for the show as long as MM was on the bill. MM, his > > lawyer, > > and > > Ozzy Osbourne himself took the case to court for violating the > > right to free speech. they won this case too. no matter how you > > feel about MM, or any other band, discrimination in music IS > > going on, and no matter who they are they should not be denied > > the right to play a concert and be heard and seen on the radio > > and TV. >> > > > > I live in Richmond, and I knew this was going to happen. My > > question is, why > > didn't the venue owners look into what type of band they were > > booking before they agreed to let them play? I don't agree with > > what Marylin Manson sings about or does, and I also think they > > just plain suck, but if you want to go see them, I could care > > less. I found the whole situation amusing.. There is a small but > > vocal segment in the community that wants to cram their ideals > > down other people's throats, so they felt the need to make a big > > deal out of something so silly. Manson had only sold 1500 tickets > > at the time of the 'controversy', and probably wouldn't have sold > > nearly the amount of tickets that they did, had these people just > > allowed it to go on and never booked them again. That's what's > > going to happen to Manson eventually. Noone will book him... at > > least not in the more conservative areas of the country. It's > > going to end up hurting the band, IMO. Manson was only allowed to > > play because they had a contract with the Coliseum. They will > > never be back, that's for sure. And that isn't a constitutional > > issue. I just feel they made too big a deal over too little. > > > > On the Poeside of things... I really love how she translated the > > music from > > the album to the live show. It came off great at the Buzzfest. Her > > awareness of the fans and the energy she put into the show was > > very clear and evident. She was having as good a time as anyone in > > the place, probably more so. I wish I could have met her, but I > > didn't know anything about the AP's. I do know I was hooked the > > first time I heard her music. I loved the album, and just knew > > she'd be great live. She certainly didn't disappoint me! I never > > knew she was going out with Mike Inez... naturally, I have to hate > > him now... > > ;) > > > > Gaul Aiel @ aol.com > > aka Doug from here > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:24:20 -0400 From: "KindaLost" Subject: Re: Hello! Amen to that. I have been wanting to see her for quite awhile and she = hasn't made a trip to FL in forever. Maybe its the climate, or the = tourist.=20 Fellow APs in FLorida, this are two problems we must take care of. You = work on the tourist, Ill work on the sun. KindaLost ---- From: Flickergrl@aol.com To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 11:49 PM Subject: Re: Hello! In a message dated 5/18/97 8:03:31 PM, you wrote: >i think we should try to get poe to do an ap-only >> >show... (of course, where could she play it? i'll volunteer my >> >house...) =3D) me too. POE never comes to FL!!!! you all can stay at my house too. = and MIKE KIVITZ'S HOUSE 'cuz he complains that POE doesn't come down here = almost as much as i do!! :) brette, who has 14 days and 15 minutes until the day where she meets POE begins - ------=_NextPart_000_01BC6439.EBEB6F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Amen to that. I have been wanting to see her for quite awhile and she = hasn't=20 made a trip to FL in forever. Maybe its the climate, or the tourist. =

Fellow APs in FLorida, this are two problems we must take care of. = You work=20 on the tourist, Ill work on the sun.

 

KindaLost

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From: Flickergrl@aol.com
To: angry-psychos@smoe.org
Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: Hello!


In a message dated 5/18/97 8:03:31 PM, you wrote:

>i think we should try to get poe to do an ap-only
>> >show...  (of course, where could she play it?  = i'll=20 volunteer my
>> >house...)  =3D)

me too.  POE never comes to FL!!!!  you all can stay at my = house=20 too.  and
MIKE KIVITZ'S HOUSE 'cuz he complains that POE doesn't come down here = almost
as much as i do!!   :)

brette, who has 14 days and 15 minutes until the day where she meets = POE
begins
 - ------=_NextPart_000_01BC6439.EBEB6F80-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:32:52 -0400 (EDT) From: PyroShwee@aol.com Subject: NPR: Meredith Brooks ok.. Like I said, I have been automatically put on the Meredith Brooks mailing list thing, so would any APs throw a fit if I fwded the letter I get from it to the list for those interested in Meredith? It is ONE letter like every week or so, if there is a big problem with this then lemme know..cause I don't wanna piss anyone off, but I just thought since there isn't that much info on her, some people might want some... *sigh* bam that was it.. thanks AP Love, Ashley ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ashley@poe.org http://members.aol.com/pyroshwee "I only want to hear the angels laugh, are they sleeping on the edge of the sky?" --Switchblade Symphony ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:13:02 +0000 From: oobushoo@juno.com (Bich Ngoc Q Cao) Subject: Battle of the Bands This is what it says on the Loaded on Wrong page: Sorry, the polls are closed now. Please check back in a few days to see who the winner is, the results are being talliated now. Wasn't it already clear that POE won? :) -bn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:07:44 +0000 From: oobushoo@juno.com (Bich Ngoc Q Cao) Subject: Re: Psychosecrets On Mon, 19 May 1997 17:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Snakegrl6@aol.com writes: >Maybe Jarrod doesn't know anything at all <<<TEASING!! >Remember when Tym@n said he didnt know who Poe was just to piss us >off? >think about it > > >love ya jessie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:53:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Rebecca Lynn Clark Subject: Re: POE ~ an idea i would write a song with her...record it and put it out as a single... of course it would have to be for my band...she would help us with it and sing with me and willie..heehee...then we'd all go out and get drunk and party... - -becky=)(vinyl sex goddess!) mother@poe.org @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ $ Listen to PSYCHO on New Rock ACRN $ $ 99.3 caFM Saturday nights 10pm-12 $ $ Check out my web page: $ $ http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~acrn/djs/psycho.html $ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ~~~~~~~~ =O) ~~~~~~~~~ On Thu, 15 May 1997 Nihasa9@aol.com wrote: > Hi kids! Ok...all this bitching and moaning is really annoying the hell out > of me..and to try to get this list back on the subject of POE...I have come > up with a little question...add any others that you might think of. > > Ok....if you could hang out with POE for one whole day....what would you do? > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 20:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Scan of Australian Angry Johnny single... http://members.aol.com/vr5sbloom/poeaus.jpg Hopefully someday I will get a graphical discography going... - --Michele Michele Santiago, shell@poe.org members.aol.com/VR5SBloom/psychovixen.html by FTP & by the {{{Web}}} VR.5 Viewer's Guide, POE discography, Buffy, and Live 105 *VR.5* is on the Sci-Fi Channel, Tuesday nites at 10 pm EST 7 PST! Hibernia Beach Mailing List: hbeach-list-request@eskimo.com *It makes sense that it should feel this way... That you slowly fade...and yet still remain* --Poe, "Fly Away" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:25:22 -0500 From: proudwolf@linknet.net Subject: Re: Psychosecrets At 05:38 PM 5/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >Maybe Jarrod doesn't know anything at all and all he is doing is just >TEASING!! >Remember when Tym@n said he didnt know who Poe was just to piss us off? >think about it > > >love ya jessie > Well, who is Poe? Is he some sort of musician? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:26:57 -0500 From: proudwolf@linknet.net Subject: Re: Does any1 know POE"s E-Mail address >To: Car2une@aol.com >From: proudwolf@linknet.net >Subject: Re: Does any1 know POE"s E-Mail address > >At 06:03 PM 5/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >>If any1 knows POE's E-Mail address please send it 2 me at Car2une@aol.com >> Yeah... me too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:30:33 -0700 From: "Ed Hurtley" Subject: Re: Does any1 know POE"s E-Mail address > >>If any1 knows POE's E-Mail address please send it 2 me at Car2une@aol.com > >> > Yeah... me too. It's quite simple, poe@poe.org +===================================================+===========+ / It is not the function of our government to keep / Ed Hurtley \ / the citizen from falling into error ; it is the /===============\ / function of the citizen to keep the government / edh@inorbit.com \ / from falling into error. +========================/===================\ '==========================/ Justice Robert Jackson / hurtlee@pr.erau.edu \ '========================'======================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Rebecca Lynn Clark Subject: Re: Does any1 know POE"s E-Mail address poe@poe.org it gets you in touch with her manager...he gives poe the message... - -becky=)(vinyl sex goddess!) mother@poe.org @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ $ Listen to PSYCHO on New Rock ACRN $ $ 99.3 caFM Saturday nights 10pm-12 $ $ Check out my web page: $ $ http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~acrn/djs/psycho.html $ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ~~~~~~~~ =O) ~~~~~~~~~ On Mon, 19 May 1997 proudwolf@linknet.net wrote: > >To: Car2une@aol.com > >From: proudwolf@linknet.net > >Subject: Re: Does any1 know POE"s E-Mail address > > > >At 06:03 PM 5/19/97 -0400, you wrote: > >>If any1 knows POE's E-Mail address please send it 2 me at Car2une@aol.com > >> > > Yeah... me too. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:40:49 -0700 (MST) From: Jarrod Subject: NPR - Re: We know Something Jarrod doesn't Greetings... I can only state for clarity... I was told not to say. (echo, echo, echo) I really understand your feelings about haves and have-nots (My assumption, of course). *shrug shoulders* Infact, at the moment that I am writing this email I have no clue as to what the Rochester crew knows. My tired 2 cents... Jarrod @poe.org On Sun, 18 May 1997, Casey Hansen wrote: > You know what, I really hate this, can we all share information, jarrod > and everybody! You tell us all that you know something and then you > just tease, we give me the info please, that's why I'm on this list, so > I can learn and know stuff about POE and POE stuff, so people with > secrets, let them out! > > Danke, > Casey > -- POE chooses to be with us. The possibility of Angry-Psychos... "For us to be with POE." www.poe.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:05:19 -0500 From: proudwolf@linknet.net Subject: NPR: Bert If you want to laugh like crazy, go to: http://fractalcow.com/bert/bert.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:30:23 -0700 From: "Evan E. Zelig" Subject: Interview Corrections... Psychos... Because of the fact I spent so many hours transcribing the POE interview I placed on Backstage Online, I got extremely careless and had manay spelling and grammar errors. Those errors have now been fixed and the updated interview has been placed on Backstage Online. Remember, if you use the interview, let me know.... and give credit where credit is due! ============================================================================ Evan E. Zelig - ezelig@earthlink.net CHECK OUT BACKSTAGE ONLINE - http://206.43.146.101/backstage/ Among The Top 5% Of All Music Web Sites! 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