From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V2 #34 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, January 25 1997 Volume 02 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- Re: Travis is offering I believe... Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- NPR:Rainn Show Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- poll Hello hello hello Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- Re: poll poe dream Re: poe dream (Fwd) Re: Bill's post Uh Ohh!!! Poe 'n' big fame (Fwd) BOUNCE angry-psychos@smoe.org: Admin request of type Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- Re: Poe 'n' big fame Re: Poe 'n' big fame POE TAN censorship Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- Censorship/Guidlines Three thoughts... poe related questions. Re: TAN OF A MAJOR PROPORTION: censorship ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:33:36 -0600 From: Tom Davidson Subject: Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- > My argument may seem stupid to you, and in some ways it seems so to > me also. I believe that it is very difficult (if not impossible) > to fight overpopulation in a democratic country like the United > States. In order to reduce population, we must limit reproduction! > This angers many people; how can one take away your rights to have > children... as many children as you want. Since we cannot control > our growning population, we must rely on good old Mother Nature to > do the work for us. > It seems that I have slipped again, but I will not change it so you > can see my line of thought. Limiting reproduction is not near the > only solution to our problem. One step that would be great > progress for human nature would be to stop the use of doctors and > medicine. We should let those with medical problems that may be > hereditary die off so that humans will eventually evolve to a more > perfect race. We should not fix vision with glasses, that only > makes it worse. Honestly, Travis, I can't believe you're being so negative about this. The world is still easily capable of supporting another two or three billion people without undue strain -- and, as I'm sure you'll agree, overpopulation is a self-correcting problem. As the burden of larger population wears upon a society, those that can emigrate to less populated areas do. Those that don't tend to have smaller families, since the resources in that area can't support larger ones. As transportation, global trade, and shipping improve, however, even those overpopulated areas -- like India and China -- benefit from the surplus goods of countries -- like the United States and Canada -- that are vastly underpopulated. Should overpopulation become a SERIOUS problem, I believe it'll correct itself; in an overpopulated community, housing, food, and proper medical care are harder to come by, making it more difficult to have large families. A greater danger is the rapid depletion of fossil fuels, which are used in the construction of all petroleum-based products -- especially plastic. As countries like China advance, their demand for plastics and fuels drastically increase, and our small deposits of oil are exhausted far faster than they can be created -- FAR faster. :) Luckily, many of these large countries understand the burden this puts on global industry and have passed very stringent oil usage laws; most of the Pacific Rim countries, for example, require that a certain percentage of scooters sold be powered by electric, not gasoline, engines. I think America, given its initiatives in California, may also be heading towards solar, chemical, and nuclear power instead, saving petroleum deposits for the creation of plastic and "rubberized" products. However, I think our great-grandchildren might very possibly live in a world where these oil deposits are exhausted ANYWAY; I don't think that development will DOOM the world, since humans are pretty good at coping, but I'm not sure what we'd do to cope -- especially since petroleum, given that it can only be obtained from decaying organic matter, isn't available on other planets. Perhaps we'll find a way to speed up the degeneration of landfill waste, killing two birds with one stone. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 00:40:06 -0600 From: Tom Davidson Subject: Re: Travis is offering I believe... > Travis writes about letting "inferior" people die off to reduce the > population. Here's a suggestion. Why don't we shoot the truly > nescient and ignorant. YOU UP FOR THE TAKING, TRAVIS? > Stupid people piss me off! Hey, Christine, relax. Travis is just echoing a point made for at least a hundred years, one that was made almost immediately following Darwin's researches on natural selection. While I don't think that Social Darwinism is a particularly healthy approach to eugenics, I will admit that certain developments in modern society DO worry me. Our improved medical care and liberated attitudes towards sex now ensure that a different kind of genetic material is being distributed through our gene pools; those who would have normally died from disease or weakness or deformity now live and reproduce -- a good thing, but potentially dangerous for society in the long run. However, I also think that, even if we humans do irreparable damage to our own genes, we'll find ways to cope -- by either improving medical care to compensate or using genetic engineering to "edit" our weakened heritage. Of course, that way also leads to Huxleyan eugenic breeding, which can be dangerous in a different way; being able to selectively edit a fetus to ensure that it has, say, a 180 IQ, blue eyes, blond hair, and a natural predilection for thinness might destroy our current concept of the social order. Genetic perfection for the rich? :) Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:49:58 -0500 (EST) From: Erik Joseph Hartley Subject: Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- Okay... this is the last time I'm going to argue this weekend... and to think I was mad at Yamit for the whole "Kurt Cobain didn't kill himself" post... You guys are just plain sick! It's almost making me ashamed to call myself an angry psycho... look... So the world might be a little bit overpopulated... yep... that might be a problem... USE BIRTH CONTROL... (maybe that's what your parents should have done!) Anyway... yeah... there are a lot of disadvantaged people in this world, some of which might just need to see a doctor every once in a while... some of which need medicine to survive... and you know what... if some of those people with disadvantages wouldn't have been on this earth, maybe you guys wouldn't be here either! Don't you think SOMEWHERE in your ancestry that SOMEONE just might have had a chronic ailment... if they wouldn't have recieved medical attention, you wouldn't be here today... think about that next time you start arguing "survival of the fittest"... Okay... enough arguing... have a nice day... (and please... noone else continue this arguement... it's sad enough that I did... I feel like I'm encouraging it to continue, but I had to give them something to think about...) Believe me... I'm not trying to make enemies... I'm just trying to show a little maturity in this whole childish little arguement... ej ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 97 06:10:42 UT From: "CASEY HANSEN" Subject: NPR:Rainn Show Tori Kicked Ass! Danke, Casey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 03:32:23 -0500 From: Shad Clark Subject: Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- I'm not trying to defend everything Travis typed BUT... > The world is still easily capable of supporting another two or three > billion people without undue strain -- and, as I'm sure you'll agree, > overpopulation is a self-correcting problem. > I wish that was true but... seriously... Overpopulation is certainly not a self-correcting problem. The more people there are, the more people there are having children. Overpopulation is a self-perpetuating problem. The length of time it takes for the human population to double continues to drastically diminish. > > Should overpopulation become a SERIOUS problem, I believe it'll correct > itself; in an overpopulated community, housing, food, and proper medical > care are harder to come by, making it more difficult to have large > families. > Nothing could be further from the truth. Too many of the families living in third world countries continue to reproduce at an ridiculous rate despite the lack of sufficient resources to feed and clothe and shelter themselves. (Remember all those commercials with the "All in the Family" chick???) > > A greater danger is the rapid depletion of fossil fuels, which are used > in the construction of all petroleum-based products -- especially > plastic. As countries like China advance, their demand for plastics and > fuels drastically increase, and our small deposits of oil are exhausted > far faster than they can be created -- FAR faster. :) > Ah, yes... CHINA... the most overpopulated country on the entire planet!!! Gee... Could they really be demanding more plastics and fuel than the rest of us? They waited way too long to impose their reproduction regulations. Unless the vast majority of Chinese citizens are suddenly rendered sterile, they might never recover. I'm far from ready to deploy death squads or anything but we should definitely consider establishing reproduction regulations on the general public. Does that infringe upon an individual's freedom? Yes! Of course it does! BUT so does overpopulation. Shad "We're not the only species on the planet... we just act like it." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 03:19:56 -0600 From: Tom Davidson Subject: Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- > I wish that was true but... seriously... Overpopulation is certainly > not a self-correcting problem. See, there's a misconception. The population only expands exponentially when the environment is capable of supporting it. Now, you WILL get some negative reaction as the population reacts to the overgrowth -- such as featured on those Sally Struthers ads -- but the next generation will typically be small enough to support itself. And if WE prevent that population correction by shipping over grain and food and other niceties, all the better, but we need to remember to keep doing that on a regular basis. It's not that overpopulation doesn't correct itself; it's that it corrects itself through starvation and death, which some people consider unacceptable solutions. > China waited way too long to impose their reproduction regulations. > Unless the vast majority of Chinese citizens are suddenly rendered > sterile, they might never recover. NOT true. The economy and military of China benefits ENORMOUSLY from such a large population, and starvation in China is actually a fairly rare occurrence -- certainly far more rare than in most other Second World countries. While China uses a lot of resources, they put out enough labor and effort to PURCHASE those resources; who are we to say that they don't deserve them? It's contrary to the whole concept of capitalism to say that they should shrink their population despite the fact that their overpopulation is not yet a serious problem. It WILL be, of course, should it keep expanding, but their population control program has mostly been successful and the growing economy has helped deflate the major problems. > I'm far from ready to deploy death squads or anything but we should > definitely consider establishing reproduction regulations on the > general public. Why? You'd either get some horrific "Ender's Game"-like future or something like the CURRENT situation in China, where children are aborted well into the third trimester to meet the quota. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 08:56:08 -0500 (EST) From: BLUEBASTRD@aol.com Subject: poll 1. PANTERA (ALL THEIR ALBUMS) 2. HENRY ROLLINS -ROLLINS BAND-(BASICALLY ANYTHING HE PUT OUT) 3. POE 4. SLAYER 5. METALLICA (JUSTICE AND PREVIOUS ALBUMS TO HELL WITH BLACK AND LOAD OF SHIT BOB ROCK SHOULD DIE) 6. KORN 7. CROWBAR 8 DUSK TILL DAWN SOUNDRACK 9 WHO (QUADROPHENIA) 10. OLD PUNK (DK,MINOR THREAT ETC.) Hey if any of you psychos get to meet poe tell her to come to alaska please!!!!!!!!!!! Cool thanks Lord Lonnie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:49:15 -0500 (EST) From: SlrrJptr@aol.com Subject: Hello hello hello how do I get all my letters condensed into one? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:04:47 -0500 (EST) From: ilmortal Subject: Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- Don't all of you have something better to talk about then suicide, drop the fucking subject... it's a part of life and people have a lot of different views on what it is there for... It is completely pointless to sit here and fill this list with meaningless shit, it is a music list... As for the list, whoever it was that said that the people will eventually weed themselves off the list that is bullshit... If this shit continues I have to say that more then 1/4 of the people currently subscribed will quit.. The channel is for Poe not for a bunch of none music shit... Thanks a concerned fan, Bill Hopkins ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:11:46 -0500 (EST) From: ilmortal Subject: Re: poll Oh look one of three music related messages....I should probably keep this one, since it is one of the three out of 28 messages..... This list is turning to nothing but shit... On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 BLUEBASTRD@aol.com wrote: > > 1. PANTERA (ALL THEIR ALBUMS) > 2. HENRY ROLLINS -ROLLINS BAND-(BASICALLY ANYTHING HE PUT OUT) > 3. POE > 4. SLAYER > 5. METALLICA (JUSTICE AND PREVIOUS ALBUMS TO HELL WITH BLACK AND LOAD OF > SHIT BOB ROCK SHOULD DIE) > 6. KORN > 7. CROWBAR > 8 DUSK TILL DAWN SOUNDRACK > 9 WHO (QUADROPHENIA) > 10. OLD PUNK (DK,MINOR THREAT ETC.) > > Hey if any of you psychos get to meet poe tell her to come to alaska > please!!!!!!!!!!! > Cool thanks Lord Lonnie > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 01:28:13 -0500 From: Narcomaniac Subject: poe dream Hi, guys. I havent' posted much, but i couldn't resist this one. I've been having theses really vivid dreams lately, and last one i had one of poe! I was in this big gymnasium, and i was sitting in the bleacher, and in walks poe with a big huge group of people around her! There were all these people interviewing her and asking for autographs. I jumped out of my seat and started yelling like a lunatic something about ANGRY PSYCHOS, and Poe was about to leave, but when she heard me, she turned around and came back to find who was yelling, so i went down and talked to her and told her that she should get on the angry psychos mailing list and that she would really like it and all that...she looked really great too...but that's all i can remeber. Sorry for this meaningless post, but i just had to share... Luv, Narcomaniac ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:43:58 -0500 (EST) From: ilmortal Subject: Re: poe dream No don't be sorry, this was atleast about music... not about something off the subject of the list... Take care, Bill On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, Narcomaniac wrote: > Hi, guys. I havent' posted much, but i couldn't resist this one. > I've been having theses really vivid dreams lately, and last one i had > one of poe! I was in this big gymnasium, and i was sitting in the > bleacher, and in walks poe with a big huge group of people around her! > There were all these people interviewing her and asking for > autographs. I jumped out of my seat and started yelling like a > lunatic something about ANGRY PSYCHOS, and Poe was about to leave, but > when she heard me, she turned around and came back to find who was > yelling, so i went down and talked to her and told her that she should > get on the angry psychos mailing list and that she would really like > it and all that...she looked really great too...but that's all i can > remeber. Sorry for this meaningless post, but i just had to share... > Luv, > Narcomaniac > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:19:14 +0000 From: "Anthony Amato" Subject: (Fwd) Re: Bill's post From: "Lawrence J. Kim" To: Poe Mailing List Subject: Re: Bill's post In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1331 The following has been forworded by me for Lawerance. On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, ilmortal wrote: > As for the list, whoever it was that said that the people will > eventually weed themselves off the list that is bullshit... If this > shit continues I have to say that more then 1/4 of the people > currently subscribed will quit.. The channel is for Poe not for a > bunch of none music shit... I agree. I have considered many times unsubscribing because I cannot handle the volume of mail that I receive everyday. I love to read every post, but when it takes a full hour to read them all, it cuts into my time. I only stay on because I love the list, not the subject matter. Anthony, Jarrod, and I have almost tuned the posting guidelines for this list. We should have it out for everyone to read very soon. Thanks. Lawrence ********************************************************************** ** Lawrence J. Kim ChemE2B Washington University ljk1@cec.wustl.edu St. Louis, Missouri, USA lawrencek@wucsgate.wustl.edu http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/ lawrence@poe.org Maintainer of "Poe : The Mistress of Groove" at http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/poe.html ********************************************************************** ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:52:37 -0500 (EST) From: PyroShwee@aol.com Subject: Uh Ohh!!! Hello APs..I have been sent on a mission--Ed's (Splinter6) computer crashed the other night and he is not able to access AOL for a while--therefore he cannot get his AP mail..(I'm fwding improtant stuff to him) but if anyone needs to reach him, e-mail him at ehunsing@bgsm.edu. Thanks!!! Ashley PyroShwee@aol.com AaEsMoOthe@msn.com PyroShwee9@sprynet.com http://members.aol.com/pyroshwee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 14:03:36 -0500 From: fdeboer@eagle.wesleyan.edu (John deBoer) Subject: Poe 'n' big fame I know I really should be delighted if Poe gets big fame, big concerts, big money, etc. I mean it's only right to feel happy for someone you like who succeeds at what they want to do. And when I hear news about Poe getting more popularity, I'm happy for her. But I feel like shit for myself. In the emotional part of my mind that knows no reason, I think, "Goddammit, she's mine." I remember when the Sam and Max computer game came out, I got angry, because I had loved Sam and Max for a long time through the comic books, the two which I had anyway. And now, I thought, all these stupid yuppie computer game players who wouldn't know a good comic book from a tabloid would become fond of the Freelance Police without really knowing who they were. The worst part was when the collected edition of the comics came out and I tried to order one but they were all sold out; I knew that the people who bought 'em were mostly people who just knew 'em from the computer game and had no clue that they even were comic books beforehand. And now I wasn't getting 'em because of those guys, which no matter how I look at it, with my heart or my head, just isn't fair. The same thing with Poe--people who only know about Angry Johnny make me furious somewhere in me, even though my head is saying "Good! Poe'll get what she deserves!" It makes me feel stupid and mean. But what if I can't get a ticket to a show because they've sold it out? Or I can't go say hi to her backstage even though she said I could because of sterile big concert halls or something? That's not fair! But of course it always happens and always will happen and there's nothing I can do about it and it's better really for this kind of thing to happen than for her to flop and never make more music. I guess I'm saying I feel happy for Poe but sad for me. And that's all I can think of to say about Poe 'n' big fame. Except that I reeeeally don't want to have to pay for Bush if I want to see Poe. Aieee. Sorry to bore you with what's already been said. Twalen Fleety MonkeyMan =o) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 14:09:09 +0000 From: "Anthony Amato" Subject: (Fwd) BOUNCE angry-psychos@smoe.org: Admin request of type >From ljk1@cec.wustl.edu Sat Jan 25 12:47:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from clarion.cec.wustl.edu by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA04220; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:47:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by clarion.cec.wustl.edu (5.x/ECL-A1.27) id AA22226; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:46:19 -0600 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:46:19 -0600 (CST) From: "Lawrence J. Kim" To: Poe Mailing List Subject: Re: Bill's post In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1331 On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, ilmortal wrote: > As for the list, whoever it was that said that the people will > eventually weed themselves off the list that is bullshit... If this > shit continues I have to say that more then 1/4 of the people > currently subscribed will quit.. The channel is for Poe not for a > bunch of none music shit... I agree. I have considered many times unsubscribing because I cannot handle the volume of mail that I receive everyday. I love to read every post, but when it takes a full hour to read them all, it cuts into my time. I only stay on because I love the list, not the subject matter. Anthony, Jarrod, and I have almost tuned the posting guidelines for this list. We should have it out for everyone to read very soon. Thanks. Lawrence ********************************************************************** ** Lawrence J. Kim ChemE2B Washington University ljk1@cec.wustl.edu St. Louis, Missouri, USA lawrencek@wucsgate.wustl.edu http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/ lawrence@poe.org Maintainer of "Poe : The Mistress of Groove" at http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/poe.html ********************************************************************** ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 14:27:49 -0500 (EST) From: Rebecca Lynn Clark Subject: Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- interesting, isn't that what hitler wanted? a perfect race of humans? what happens when all us losers die off and there are only "perfect" people left and those people reproduce in huge numbers and they overpopulate the earth? =================================== - Listen to PSYCHO on: - - New Rock ACRN 99.3 caFM - - or check out the web site: - - http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~acrn - =================================== On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Travis Cardwell wrote: > My fingers hath failed me yet again; or maybe it was just a brain > phart. :) AIDS was not invented, that was my poor choice of words. > I am not an expert on AIDS and cannot accurately describe the > source of the disease. Where it came from does not matter to me. > I do not "like" AIDS, but I do see how it may help out our world > by reducing our population. (I have a relative who has already > died because of AIDS, so do not try to tell me I don't respect the > disease.) > > My argument may seem stupid to you, and in some ways it seems so to > me also. I believe that it is very difficult (if not impossible) > to fight overpopulation in a democratic country like the United > States. In order to reduce population, we must limit reproduction! > This angers many people; how can one take away your rights to have > children... as many children as you want. Since we cannot control > our growning population, we must rely on good old Mother Nature to > do the work for us. > > It seems that I have slipped again, but I will not change it so you > can see my line of thought. Limiting reproduction is not near the > only solution to our problem. One step that would be great > progress for human nature would be to stop the use of doctors and > medicine. We should let those with medical problems that may be > hereditary die off so that humans will eventually evolve to a more > perfect race. We should not fix vision with glasses, that only > makes it worse. > > PR0death > > P.S. Of course the REAL solution to our problem is a natural > predator. :) > > > "Dying > Is an art, like everything else." > -- Sylvia Plath > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 14:25:05 -0500 (EST) From: YellowDukk@aol.com Subject: Re: Poe 'n' big fame hey all A-Ps about what Twalen Monkey Man whatever his name is said.... i agree. it's not like i'm a selfish person or anything but POE is "my POE! (well, all of the A-Ps POE)" and people who don't even know POE bought all the tickets, which leaves me - probably the biggest poe fan at miami arena on 3/20 - sitting in the third level in row R where i probably won't even be able to get near her! ahhh! so close yet so far away. and i missed my chance for an up close and personal small poe show when she was here in september too. it was a "school night" so i wasn't allowed to go. : ( i'm still kicking myself in the head for that one! guess i missed my only chance. : ( for POE though, all this becoming a big star is probably great! i'm happy for her 1000 times over. i'm happy and sad. oh well. brette ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:34:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Lawrence J. Kim" Subject: Re: Poe 'n' big fame Great post John! I totally agree! I feel that Poe should stick with the small clubs and small stages. True Poe fans get the feeling that they're close to her, and Poe gets the satisfaction that she can interact with the crowd. I personally can't see Poe playing in front of a crowd of 10,000+. My opinion... Lawrence ************************************************************************ Lawrence J. Kim ChemE2B Washington University ljk1@cec.wustl.edu St. Louis, Missouri, USA lawrencek@wucsgate.wustl.edu http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/ lawrence@poe.org Maintainer of "Poe : The Mistress of Groove" at http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/poe.html ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 14:45:08 -0500 (EST) From: BBALLGUY15@aol.com Subject: POE Does anyone know when Poe is going on tour or who she is touring with???? Judd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 18:17:41 -0800 From: mb882 Subject: TAN censorship Re:"guidelines" discussed earlier today,BAD IDEA.The people who cant stand all the bullshit on this list LET THEM LEAVE!! Its not like you are getting paid for the maintenance of this list or your pages,All of which I personally admire,BTW!Or does commercialization follow censorship?Lawrence,Amato ,and Jarrod I dont want to offend ANY of you and consider you my extended family,but here goes anyway.FUCK GUIDELINES AND CENSORSHIP!Will the preceding phrase get me 'banned'?Those who support censorship be sure to vote for Pete Wilson,our Nazi governor herewho is fighting the good fight against crime and minorities, when he runs for president in 2000.California UBER ALLES,kids,good night(Oh fuck-Ageism-ANOTHER fucking PC VIOLATION!!!)Am now able to report for detention or deportation, please scan my retinas .Angry fucking Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 14:21:27 -0600 From: Tom Davidson Subject: Re: TAN -PR0death speaks again- > Don't all of you have something better to talk about then suicide, > drop the fucking subject... it's a part of life and people have a lot > of different views on what it is there for... It is completely > pointless to sit here and fill this list with meaningless shit, it is > a music list... > As for the list, whoever it was that said that the people will > eventually weed themselves off the list that is bullshit... If this > shit continues I have to say that more then 1/4 of the people > currently subscribed will quit.. The channel is for Poe not for a > bunch of none music shit... Bill, you're being silly. Things like suicide and population and politics ARE music -- or, at least, the CORE of music. Music address these social problems, and it's impossible to really discuss or enjoy music without an awareness of the world around you. I agree that we've strayed off the subject here, but the conversation hasn't been totally worthless. In fact, in many ways, it's relevant -- especially when you consider the tone of angry loneliness that's displayed in so many of Poe's songs. A list that JUST discussed "Gee, I love Poe" or "Gee, Poe's coming to town next week" or "Gee, isn't Poe just keen" wouldn't be worth reading. You MUST know that, right? And if you don't like the topic, check the subject, read one or two lines of it, and then delete it immediately when you decide it's not worth your time. Unless you're using a 2400 modem, the amount of bandwidth wasted isn't really a tragic loss.... Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 14:41:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Lawrence J. Kim" Subject: Censorship/Guidlines *groan* Never did we discuss that this mailing list would be censored. All we are trying to do is give guidelines, not mandates, on what people can post on this mailing list. This mailing list was designed to give the Poe fan a resource on information about Poe. Through you guys, I have learned more about Poe than what all the Poe pages combined could have told me, and I think a lot of people can agree on that point. However, for the respect of people with small e-mail accounts and/or little time, all I ask is that we keep the discussion closer to Poe. I don't mind the occasional tangent from the subject, but I think it's gotten out-of-control. By guidelines we don't mean that you have to be PC (which I also personally hate) nor restricted in what you say. Once again, guidelines are NOT mandates, just recommendations. The follow is cut out of the revised Intro/FAQ which newbie APs receive when you subscribe. - ----BEGIN---- 3. LIST PURPOSE AND GENERAL RULES The Unofficial Poe Mailing List is not a newsletter or a fanzine!!! The purpose of the list is to disseminate information about Poe, her music, concerts, live appearances, TV/radio gigs, press/articles/etc. Or if you're trying to find someone with tickets to a particular show, or someone who taped something, use it for that as well. We need your posts to keep this mailing list going!!! Please try to follow basic netiquette: * Keep the discussion on the list confined to that revolving around Poe, her band, her music, etc. For example, while you may love Alanis Morissette and want to talk about her all the time, most members of the list don't really care since (1) it's not related to Poe and (2) she has her own mailing list. * (NOTE: There will be something added about non-Poe posts--i.e. please use TAN or NPR) * When replying to a message, try only to quote the sections of the original message that are relevant to the reply. * If mail from your address bounces consistently, you will either be removed from the list after a few days of bouncing, or be moved to the digest for a few days, and then be removed from the digest if the problem doesn't clear up. * Chain e-mails should NEVER be sent to the mailing list. 7. IN CONCLUSION... Thank you for subscribing to the Angry Psychos Mailing List! Your participation and support will only make this list better. Don't feel that you will be asking a silly question or making a ridiculous statement; make the most of the members in the list and the wonderful knowledge they possess! - ----END OF PASTE---- Part 3 will be revised some more. If you have any suggestions, please mail Jarrod, Anthony, or me. Your opinions are important! I apologize that this post was long. Disclaimer: This post was my own opinion. Jarrod, Anthony: if you disagree with what I have said, please tell me. Lawrence ************************************************************************ Lawrence J. Kim ChemE2B Washington University ljk1@cec.wustl.edu St. Louis, Missouri, USA lawrencek@wucsgate.wustl.edu http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/ lawrence@poe.org Maintainer of "Poe : The Mistress of Groove" at http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/poe.html ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 14:47:52 -0600 From: Tom Davidson Subject: Three thoughts... Anyway, I've got three things. First off, I'm replying to the people who wrote me and asked about Veruca Salt: 1) I've been talking to Tonya Post (who IS related and who's trying to get her own record deal) for about a year now; apparently the group almost broke up just recently when the drummer, for reasons still unknown, tried to leave. He probably was feeling underexposed, which is why we see more of him in the latest videos. The new album is finished, although it was pushed behind schedule by the "break-up," and is tentatively supposed to be released in late February. By the way, don't blame me if any of this is inaccurate. I got it from a second-hand source, and I'm writing it from memory, so I'm absolved from blame. :) 2) My own thoughts on Poe's fame: I think it'd be welcome, but disastrous -- a lot like what happened with Tori Amos. I've been following her since early 1991, just after the release of Little Earthquakes but before the videos, and my fondest concert memory (of a LOT of fond concert memories) is of watching her play to a small club in downtown Chicago, just her and the piano and a tiny bank of colored lights, for a silent and rapt audience of maybe 200 people. The crowd was so small that she actually hung out with all of us for some time....*sigh* Under the Pink was still a fairly small crowd. She'd graduated to playing larger venues, but the mobs waiting for her outside the theatre weren't so huge that you couldn't grab a few moments to chat after the show if you tried. But this latest tour has been a disaster for the religious. Not only are they serving alcohol to a large and increasingly non-Tori audience, they're cordonning her off and taking gifts in advance -- and if you want to see her at all, you have to either have a story of abuse, a hand-made trinket, or a tent (to show up three days in advance). The audience is the worst, though; Tori shows used to be like going to some kind of church, since everyone would sit there reverently and only applaud between songs. Now you have drunken assholes calling out "I love you, Tori!" during "Me and a Gun," and the experience just isn't the same. I mean, she's playing the ROSEMONT, which seats God knows how many thousands, and it's impossible to recapture the feel. She handles it well, and her stage performance is always impeccable, but it's not the same. So, while I'd like to see Poe get richer and more famous, I understand that'd come at a serious cost. You can't get rich playing tiny little theatres, but Poe's at her best in those venues....Ideally, I'd like her to make enough money that she wouldn't need to worry about cash, but not so much that she'd have to start playing ampitheatres. Of course, I'd also like a pony. 3) And I'll reply to this guy's dream, just because I can. :) > I've been having theses really vivid dreams lately, and last one i had > one of poe! I was in this big gymnasium, and i was sitting in the > bleacher, and in walks poe with a big huge group of people around her! > There were all these people interviewing her and asking for > autographs. I jumped out of my seat and started yelling like a > lunatic something about ANGRY PSYCHOS, and Poe was about to leave, but > when she heard me, she turned around and came back to find who was > yelling, so i went down and talked to her and told her that she should > get on the angry psychos mailing list and that she would really like > it and all that...she looked really great too...but that's all i can > remeber. Sorry for this meaningless post, but i just had to share... Actually, Narco, Freud would have a field day with this. *grin* But MY analysis is that you're hoping that Angry-Psychos will bring you closer to one of your favorite fantasy people in some way, somehow make her more real for you, which is a completely healthy way to feel. *giggle* Just kidding. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:18:59 -0500 From: gtn103@psu.edu (Gregg) Subject: poe related questions. I've been reading this list for awhile but this is the first time i have actually listened. I've got a couple of questions. I was searching around the aol directories one day when i was really bored looking to see if maybe poe had an e-mail address with them. I found someone with screen name playmatesx that said they were poe and the bio said they were 24,married, bisexual, and of course loved writing music. That doesn't match up with what i've heard about poe, but why the hell would someone want to get e-mail from people who thought they were poe? Also i was curious as to where the live shots in the hello video were filmed. I have been to four poe concerts and I remember they were filming at the first one i went to last march. Finally congradulations Jarrod and everyone associated with poe.org I saw the address given last night just before the video was shown. Has the number of people visiting the site increased greatly since they showed the address on mtv? Are there any other AP's in the state college area? Later psychos! Gregg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 15:21:58 -0600 (CST) From: jgofort@comp.uark.edu (Joseph H. Goforth) Subject: Re: TAN OF A MAJOR PROPORTION: censorship >Or does commercialization follow >censorship?Lawrence,Amato ,and Jarrod I dont want to offend ANY of you >and consider you my extended family,but here goes anyway.FUCK GUIDELINES > AND CENSORSHIP!Will the preceding phrase get me 'banned'?Those who >support censorship be sure to vote for Pete Wilson,our Nazi governor >herewho is fighting the good fight against crime and minorities, when he >runs for president in 2000.California UBER ALLES,kids,good night(Oh >fuck-Ageism-ANOTHER fucking PC VIOLATION!!!)Am now able to report for >detention or deportation, please scan my retinas .Angry fucking Terry > > My sentiments exactly....do we really want to live in a world controlled by a select few? Controlled in hopes of "helping" those who need "guidance"? Censorship is the most idiotic thing that could happen.....censorship is used to block out what the person doing the censoring doesn't want to see, hear, or read...because the deem it wrong. How do we know what one person thinks should be censored is also what someone else would think? Last time I checked this country was a democracy and I'd appreciate it remaining one. Joseph ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V2 #34 **********************************