From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V2 #23 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, January 18 1997 Volume 02 : Number 023 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: poe/chicken (bit of a TAN) Re: poe/chicken (bit of a TAN) Re: poes music Re: *TAN* *Not Poe Related* *People with little time don't read This* Who gives a shite at this point? Re: poe/chicken (bit of a TAN) Re: *TAN* *Not Poe Related* *People with little time don't read This* Re: *TAN* *Not Poe Related* *People with little time don't read This* Best Concert Re: Best Concert tisk tisk Re: poe/chicken (bit of a TAN) Re: poe/chicken (bit of a TAN) Re:poes music TAN - No Poe here. - No more debates. GOOD VS BAD ARGUMENTS TAN: Stop the insanity! Re: Best Concert Re: TAN: Stop the insanity! NPR: Hackers & IRC... poe's music in the future Re: poe's music in the future Re: *TAN* *Not Poe Related* *People with little time don't read This* Re: *TAN* *Not Poe Related* *People with little time don't read This* Re: Best Concert LONG SLEEVE SHIRT! BABY TEE's! ARE IN! 1/18 UPDATE Re: poe's music in the future Re: NPC: hackers Right on, Shad! No text IRC or WEB Re: poes music Re: NPR-Fish as vegetables poe running away. Re: poe running away. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:34:33 -0500 From: Shad Clark Subject: Re: poe/chicken (bit of a TAN) Rebecca Lynn Clark wrote: > > Other animals eat each other to survive, why shouldn't we. We are animals > too, survival of the fittest. > -becky > This is indeed a very common argument against exhibiting compassion towards nonhuman animals. So... here I go again... Yes, other animals (carnivores) eat other animals (herbavores). That's true. I can't dispute that. Other animals take territorial pisses as well but I, being human, am not about to begin that trend. The human brain is obviously much more complex than that of any nonhuman animal. Nonhuman animals are governed chiefly by their instincts. Humans heads, however, have been graced with rationale. The human brain has the capacity to over-ride primitive instinctive urges. We're capable of recognizing the consequences of our actions. We're able to think. And that's what's supposed to make us superior. Shad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:40:03 -0500 From: Mel0069@aol.com Subject: Re: poe/chicken (bit of a TAN) just let those who wanna eat meat eat meat--those who don't wanna eat it fine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: Moonbeamgi@aol.com Subject: Re: poes music Hey I know where Poe will be in ten years.....on one of those super 90's cds like they have commercials for of the 70's and 80's musics.j/k at least i hope so bye Late, Me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 02:06:33 -0500 From: Shad Clark Subject: Re: *TAN* *Not Poe Related* *People with little time don't read This* Joseph H. Goforth wrote: > > So are all christians bad because God had moses sacrifice a cow > after he returned from bringing the commandments down and the people were > worshipping an idol? Wouldn't that have been animal "cruelty"? You > militant vegatarians out there need to think about this....if eating > animal flesh was bad...wouldn't it have been condemned by God as a sin? > Does the Pope eat animal flesh? Just think about this before you start > off on the animal rights crap........ > > Joseph > Tsk, tsk, tsk... First of all, you seem to be assuming everyone in the world is Xian. You can't bring your own religious views into a debate like this simply because you're going to drum up yet another debate. I don't know where to begin... or if I even should... If I told you that God talks to me almost every day and has explained to me, in exhaustive detail, the way the world is supposed to be, would you ask me to tell you how to live your life? I'm willing to bet you'd dismiss my claim as insane. I can only wonder why... Why are you so eager to believe that God talked to Moses or any other Biblical figure? Is it simply because they died hundreds or thousands of years ago? Why doesn't God talk to people nowadays? I hope you realize the Bible was written by mere men. And I hope you're aware of the fact that insanity is not indigenous to the twentieth century. I believe Jesus was a great man. There's a book I've been trying to find that's based on historical accounts of his life. It goes into the lack of meat in his diet. Yeah, yeah... maybe he fed a village with fish. Wasn't that about 2000 years ago? Wasn't life a little more difficult then? Haven't we come a long way since then? I don't know whether or not the Pope eats meat but I do know that he's merely the figurehead of one of the most corrupt institutions this world has ever known. Even if I was Xian, I'd not base my own actions upon his. Again... it comes back to our brains... We've been given the ability to think. So... THINK. Shad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:51:49, -0500 From: PLZP99A@prodigy.com (MS CHRISTINE M WHITE) Subject: Who gives a shite at this point? Listen, if you're a veggie..KUDOS!!!! If you eat meat...KUDOS TO YOU, TOO! I'm getting sick of this crap. It's all redundant. Everyone has their viewpoints and that's all fine and great, but don't think veggies are going to "rehabilitate" meat eaters and vice versa. Honestly, people....ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! If you have something NEW to say, by all means SAY IT..if not...just remember that it was said prior to you and let it go. There, this angry psycho has stated her case! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 02:14:08 -0500 From: Shad Clark Subject: Re: poe/chicken (bit of a TAN) Mel0069@aol.com wrote: > > just let those who wanna eat meat eat meat--those who don't wanna eat it fine First of all, I didn't start this debate. Second... Dig this statement: just let those who wanna rape babies rape babies--those who don't wanna rape them fine It's not at all pleasant, is it? When something is completely contradictive to your moral values and people keep throwing it in your face (or email box), I'd hope you'd input your opinion. Shad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 02:18:54 -0500 From: Shad Clark Subject: Re: *TAN* *Not Poe Related* *People with little time don't read This* Joseph H. Goforth wrote: > > Where the hell did you get this stuff, pal? I grew up on a cattle > farm..raised chickens and even had a garden every year. Now stop > throwing out these ridiculous lies of mistreatment of animals....that > happens to maybe 2% of the meat you eat....2%! Don't try and tell me > about the chicken industry...I live smack dab in the middle of Tyson's > territory...Don tyson's headquarters is no more than a half our from > here...if anything those chickens are put on a pedestal w/more food than > they could ever dream of. Where the hell did you get this stuff, pal? 2% is so ridiculously inaccurate! I'd send you lots of specs and info but you'll find alot of it faster if you go: http://www.fcs.uga.edu/%7Emhulsey/GDB.html#1.6 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 97 00:24:14 -0500 From: "Corpron, Anna" Subject: Re: *TAN* *Not Poe Related* *People with little time don't read This* - -- [ From: Corpron, Anna * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- God does talk to people. Why else would there be so many Christians? You just have to listen! Sorry, I've probably opened up a whole new debate thingy, but I had to say what I believe, IMHO... Anna - -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- If I told you that God talks to me almost every day and has explained to me , in exhaustive detail, the way the world is supposed to be, would you ask me to tell you how to live your life? I'm willing to bet you'd dismiss my claim as insane. I can only wonder why... Why are you so eager to believe that God talked to Moses or any other Biblical figure? Is it simply because they died hundreds or thousands of years ago? Why doesn't God talk to people nowadays? I hope you realize the Bible was written by mere men. And I hope you're aware of the fact that insanity is not indigenous to the twentieth century. I believe Jesus was a great man. There's a book I've been trying to find that's based on historical accounts of his life. It goes into the lack of meat in his diet. Yeah, yeah... maybe he fed a village with fish. Wasn't that about 2000 years ago? Wasn't life a little more difficult then? Haven't we come a long way since then? - -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 08:54:04 -0500 From: Steve Molla Subject: Best Concert With so many people posting about their first concert, I thought I'd post about the *best* concert I've been to. Anyone heard of Sass Jordan? She's a rocker from Canada that gives a fantastic & emotional performance. She mostly performs in small clubs, although she had a very successful CD out 2-3 years ago (called 'Racine'). I saw her once in a small club, up close, and was just blown away by her performance & stage presence. For those of you interested (and don't know her music), she rocks like Heart, but has a voice like Melissa Etheridge. Great combo. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 08:30:55 -0800 From: weh Subject: Re: Best Concert Steve Molla wrote: > > With so many people posting about their first concert, > I thought I'd post about the *best* concert I've been > to. Anyone heard of Sass Jordan? She's a rocker from > Canada that gives a fantastic & emotional performance. > She mostly performs in small clubs, although she had > a very successful CD out 2-3 years ago (called 'Racine'). > I saw her once in a small club, up close, and was just > blown away by her performance & stage presence. > > For those of you interested (and don't know her music), > she rocks like Heart, but has a voice like Melissa > Etheridge. Great combo. > > Steve thanks for the bit steve- sounds like its worth looking into ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:09:33, -0500 From: PLZP99A@prodigy.com (MS CHRISTINE M WHITE) Subject: tisk tisk Don't any of you know NOT to talk about politics or religion if you wish to get along? It's going to get rough on this list now. I can feel it. SHAD, here's your narrow-minded views on Christianity... Tsk, tsk, tsk... First of all, you seem to be assuming everyone in the world is Xian. You can't bring your own religious views into a debate like this simply because you're going to drum up yet another debate. I don't know where to begin... or if I even should... If I told you that God talks to me almost every day and has explained to me, in exhaustive detail, the way the world is supposed to be, would you ask me to tell you how to live your life? I'm willing to bet you'd dismiss my claim as insane. I can only wonder why... Why are you so eager to believe that God talked to Moses or any other Biblical figure? Is it simply because they died hundreds or thousands of years ago? Why doesn't God talk to people nowadays? I hope you realize the Bible was written by mere men. And I hope you're aware of the fact that insanity is not indigenous to the twentieth century. I believe Jesus was a great man. There's a book I've been trying to find that's based on historical accounts of his life. It goes into the lack of meat in his diet. Yeah, yeah... maybe he fed a village with fish. Wasn't that about 2000 years ago? Wasn't life a little more difficult then? Haven't we come a long way since then? I don't know whether or not the Pope eats meat but I do know that he's merely the figurehead of one of the most corrupt institutions this world has ever known. Even if I was Xian, I'd not base my own actions upon his. Again... it comes back to our brains... We've been given the ability to think. So... THINK. Shad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:25:26 -0500 (EST) From: Rebecca Lynn Clark Subject: Re: poe/chicken (bit of a TAN) Actually, humans do mark their territory! Although you might not be aware of it, we spread personal scents all over the place. That's how we mark our territory, and we do respond to those scents, whether we are aware why or not. And my cats have consciences! When my cats knock over a glass of water they know they did something wrong! When they bring in a mouse, they know they have done something bad. I have watched them make conscious decisions about whether to do something or not based on the consequences, so that blows that theory, or maybe my cats or extra special. Personally i hate vegatables, and most fruits, and all beans and nuts, etc. i am meat woman, hear me chew! - -becky =) =================================== - Listen to PSYCHO on: - - New Rock ACRN 99.3 caFM - - or check out the web site: - - http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~acrn - =================================== On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, Shad Clark wrote: > Rebecca Lynn Clark wrote: > > > > Other animals eat each other to survive, why shouldn't we. We are animals > > too, survival of the fittest. > > -becky > > > > This is indeed a very common argument against exhibiting compassion towards > nonhuman animals. So... here I go again... > Yes, other animals (carnivores) eat other animals (herbavores). That's true. I > can't dispute that. Other animals take territorial pisses as well but I, being human, am > not about to begin that trend. > The human brain is obviously much more complex than that of any nonhuman animal. > Nonhuman animals are governed chiefly by their instincts. Humans heads, however, have > been graced with rationale. The human brain has the capacity to over-ride primitive > instinctive urges. We're capable of recognizing the consequences of our actions. We're > able to think. And that's what's supposed to make us superior. > > Shad > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:07:57 -0500 From: Shad Clark Subject: Re: poe/chicken (bit of a TAN) Rebecca Lynn Clark wrote: > > Actually, humans do mark their territory! Although you might not be aware > of it, we spread personal scents all over the place. That's how we mark > our territory, and we do respond to those scents, whether we are aware why > or not. You said it! We're NOT aware of it. The spreading of our scents is far from a conscious decision. Most humans don't deliberately attempt to mark their territory via personal scents. Perhaps the most blatant example of how a human marks her/his property is the use of the common fence. Then there's always the obvious scribble of a name... etc... > And my cats have consciences! When my cats knock over a glass of > water they know they did something wrong! When they bring in a mouse, > they know they have done something bad. I have watched them make > conscious decisions about whether to do something or not based on the > consequences, so that blows that theory, or maybe my cats or extra > special. I didn't say cats or any other nonhuman animals were stupid. I simply said their capacity for reason doesn't even come close to matching ours. I've no doubt your cats are fully aware of when they've done something you don't want them to do. That, however, has nothing to do them making moral decisions. > Personally i hate vegatables, and most fruits, and all beans and > nuts, etc. i am meat woman, hear me chew! "You've come a long way, baby!" -- Virginia Slims ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:11:46 -0500 (EST) From: TrippyTyme@aol.com Subject: Re:poes music i think poe canmaintain a longevity because artists who are able to cross over the music styles and boundries without sounding contrived are the most successful. poe covers a lot of musical territory - jazz, funk, hip hop, rock, balladry, and dance and does it without making it sound slick or that shes out of place. people eventually get tired of what sound is hip for today - be it grunge, punk, synth pop, disco, or whatever. as long as she can expand on her variety of influences and translate them into her own sound she will be around for a long time and her fan base will continue to grow. and i do forsee myself enjoying her music for a long time. long live the revolution ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:19:51 -0500 From: Shad Clark Subject: TAN - No Poe here. - No more debates. Okay... Enough is enough. I've expressed and exhausted my views on the whole meat eating issue. I've lots of other things to do. I didn't initiate this debate but, being an animal rights ACTIVIST, was obviously going to contribute my views. The one thing that all meat eaters should bear in mind is the fact that their carnivorous habits do indeed conflict with the moral codes of vegetarians/vegans (as long as they're not refraining for their own health). I've always thought it was odd how meat eaters so often seem offended by those who don't follow their trend. Unless you're a butcher or you think plants are the superior species on our planet, vegetarians/vegans aren't really doing anything that should actually contradict your own personal ethics. If you engage anyone in a similar debate in the future, I recommend you realize what you're getting into and have decent remarks to contribute. "I LIKE MEAT," is a lame argument. Back yourself up with something a little more substantial. Don't rely on opinion alone or rely on the Bible (because the modern scripture had seen many many editors and not all humans are Xians anyway). So... Back to Poe... Shad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:27:26, -0500 From: PLZP99A@prodigy.com (MS CHRISTINE M WHITE) Subject: GOOD VS BAD ARGUMENTS I think "I like meat" is as good an argument as any. You like mean, you like meat. What's wrong with that argument? Vice versa with the other side of the "meat vs nonmeat" issue. NOW STOP THIS SHITE!!!!! And who is Shad or anyone else to judge a good argument from a "bad" one? It's all relative, Shad. Shad wrote... Okay... Enough is enough. I've expressed and exhausted my views on the whole meat eating issue. I've lots of other things to do. I didn't initiate this debate but, being an animal rights ACTIVIST, was obviously going to contribute my views. The one thing that all meat eaters should bear in mind is the fact that their carnivorous habits do indeed conflict with the moral codes of vegetarians/vegans (as long as they're not refraining for their own health). I've always thought it was odd how meat eaters so often seem offended by those who don't follow their trend. Unless you're a butcher or you think plants are the superior species on our planet, vegetarians/vegans aren't really doing anything that should actually contradict your own personal ethics. If you engage anyone in a similar debate in the future, I recommend you realize what you're getting into and have decent remarks to contribute. "I LIKE MEAT," is a lame argument. Back yourself up with something a little more substantial. Don't rely on opinion alone or rely on the Bible (because the modern scripture had seen many many editors and not all humans are Xians anyway). So... Back to Poe... Shad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:17:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Lawrence J. Kim" Subject: TAN: Stop the insanity! Enough about meat-eating/veggies and religion!! I enjoy getting off-topic, but this is getting ridiculous. Thank you. Lawrence ************************************************************************ Lawrence J. Kim ChemE2B Washington University ljk1@cec.wustl.edu St. Louis, Missouri, USA lawrencek@wucsgate.wustl.edu http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/ lawrence@poe.org Maintainer of "Poe : The Mistress of Groove" at http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/poe.html ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:54:31 -0500 (EST) From: CMOwnby@aol.com Subject: Re: Best Concert I believe the first concert I ever saw was three dog night..my parents took me to it. This was about the time when I felt that the music was old..and was too cool to be around my parents...but later on..I appreciated it..I got to see Don Mclean, the 5th Dimension, Steve Miller, the Guess Who, REO Speedwagon, Fleetwood Mac (err..or should I say what's left of them)...One of the best concerts I went to was (well..next to Poe of course) was Pat Benatar...well..I've seen many concerts though that I've really enjoyed...Violent Femmes, NIN, Reverend Horton Heat, Special Beat, Ministry, uhh..(who else)...G Love and Special Sauce, No Doubt, Everclear, Peter Murphy, Tool, Oh yeah..another good one was Pink Floyd...but anyway..my list tends to be kind of long so I will no longer continue..just wanted to discuss something other than what my body digests... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:56:37 -0500 (EST) From: CMOwnby@aol.com Subject: Re: TAN: Stop the insanity! I agree...talking about food and religion is like discussing abortion...can we all find something else to talk about....WHERE'S THE LOVE MAN?!? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:58:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Lawrence J. Kim" Subject: NPR: Hackers & IRC... First off, I'd like to say that I am NOT a hacker. I haven't the first clue in how hackers get into systems and stuff. If there's anyone with a little more insight, please share with us if you'd like. IRC looks complicated, but it isn't. I don't know all of the ropes, but I know enough to get from here to there and to talk to people. You will basically only need to know four commands. If you want to learn more, let me know. I'd also like to say that even though hackers are a small price to pay to be in the presence of Poe, I think they detracted a lot from the chat--for one thing: they crashed the system twice. They also created/caused a lot more spam than had they not been there. With IRC, there are people who work to keep losers like them off their server and to prevent them from even trying to crash it. I'd like it if someone with more of a hacking background could shed some light onto this subject and perhaps provide suggestions as to where we could hold chats. Lawrence ************************************************************************ Lawrence J. Kim ChemE2B Washington University ljk1@cec.wustl.edu St. Louis, Missouri, USA lawrencek@wucsgate.wustl.edu http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/ lawrence@poe.org Maintainer of "Poe : The Mistress of Groove" at http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/poe.html ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:07:20 -0500 From: "Norm Hayden" Subject: poe's music in the future Hey gang, Hmmm...all this talk about Poe's music got me to thinking. What will she be like years from now? "Hello" is a pretty experimental album. Her live show is more intense. I know she has grown as a performer in the past year. I think we are all in agreement that the new album will prove that. But five, ten years down the line who knows? The mystery is the beauty of it all. One thing I would love to hear is Poe working with a symphonic string section. I'm a sucker for strings. I believe hear voice and lyrics would fuse so smoothly, hypnotically with a string section that the listener would simply melt blissfully away never to return. It's something to wish for. Later, Norm "It's okay to be stupid if everybody else is." Redd Kross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 97 12:10:40 -0500 From: "Corpron, Anna" Subject: Re: poe's music in the future - -- [ From: Corpron, Anna * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hey, I've played the violin since I was four, I'll play for Poe!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! I wish! Anna - -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Hey gang, Hmmm...all this talk about Poe's music got me to thinking. What will she be like years from now? "Hello" is a pretty experimental album. Her live show is more intense. I know she has grown as a performer in the past year. I think we are all in agreement that the new album will prove that. But five, ten years down the line who knows? The mystery is the beauty of it all. One thing I would love to hear is Poe working with a symphonic string section. I'm a sucker for strings. I believe hear voice and lyrics would fuse so smoothly, hypnotically with a string section that the listener would simply melt blissfully away never to return. It's something to wish for. Later, Norm "It's okay to be stupid if everybody else is." Redd Kross - -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:18:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph H. Goforth" Subject: Re: *TAN* *Not Poe Related* *People with little time don't read This* Ok...oxygen-breathing..carbon dioxide emitting....bad to eat those life forms right?....so are plants not alive? are you not killing them and devouring their "carcass" after they are dead? So what religion(if any) are you then? even most other religions don't condemn eating meat...christainity was what i thought would be the best example that the majority of people would understand. Meat only tastes "funny" if 1)you got some badly prepared meat or 2) that's what you expect it to taste like. The mind is a funny thing...if you keep telling yourself that something is true regardless of whether it is or not..you will come to believe a falsehood is a truth..even with the evidence standing clearly before you. So if you think a certain type of food is bad or tastes bad...before you even have tried it..then it will taste bad. I can tell there many militant vegatarians out there...believe me I like many different vegatables as much as many different types of meat. The best food is a combination of the two to form a meal. Time to move along.... Joseph G. On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 Moonbeamgi@aol.com wrote: > First of all I'm not christian so the whole god cow sin crap stuff is of no > relevence to me. I just think that to take the life of an oxygen breathing, > carbon dioxide emitting life form is wrong, and besides meat taste funny and > is full of gross bad things. I'm also not so worried about cruelty(although > it does bug me) but what happens to the carcass after it's dead. Also some > little tarded tib-bit, I'm not sure if this is absolutely true, but anyway, > gelatin is made of animals. So no fruit snacks and stuff for me. Well I think > this is my last un-poe post. > > > late, > Me > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:34:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph H. Goforth" Subject: Re: *TAN* *Not Poe Related* *People with little time don't read This* alrighty then....so how many people on this list are christian or non-christians...keeping in mind that many religions are very similiar. So what exactly are you then shad? You don't believe in the fact that God can make men do as he wants as in being the mouthpiece of God and developing the bible? What about Islam? Muhammad is the mouthpiece of God and the "Seal" of the prophets.....is Islam wrong as well in believing that God would talk to man? Maybe you should do yourself a favor and read some really interesting philosophy from India that I found at the Kula Shaker website...I'd read most of it before. I don't profess to be a christian...I'm still searching for my answers....I have my doubts. But if you didn't doubt something then there would be no point in thinking at all would there? I think you should settle down and look at this issue from all points of view. I don't think it's wrong for people to be vegatarians...I just don't like the arguments that they try in general to push on non-vegatarians. Making people who eat meat out to be cruel torturers of those "poor" little animals. If you've read anything about philisophy(believe me I have) you'd know that many schools of thought believe in that man is an extension of God's inner energy which is a finite amount of energy...but everything else is an extension of God's outer energy which is infinite...so all of God's creatures..the universe itself is of endless amounts....enough of this ....I have got to go eat some lunch....meat sounds good right about now... Joseph On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, Shad Clark wrote: > Joseph H. Goforth wrote: > > > > So are all christians bad because God had moses sacrifice a cow > > after he returned from bringing the commandments down and the people were > > worshipping an idol? Wouldn't that have been animal "cruelty"? You > > militant vegatarians out there need to think about this....if eating > > animal flesh was bad...wouldn't it have been condemned by God as a sin? > > Does the Pope eat animal flesh? Just think about this before you start > > off on the animal rights crap........ > > > > Joseph > > > > Tsk, tsk, tsk... First of all, you seem to be assuming everyone in the world is > Xian. You can't bring your own religious views into a debate like this simply because > you're going to drum up yet another debate. > I don't know where to begin... or if I even should... > If I told you that God talks to me almost every day and has explained to me, in > exhaustive detail, the way the world is supposed to be, would you ask me to tell you how > to live your life? I'm willing to bet you'd dismiss my claim as insane. I can only > wonder why... Why are you so eager to believe that God talked to Moses or any other > Biblical figure? Is it simply because they died hundreds or thousands of years ago? Why > doesn't God talk to people nowadays? I hope you realize the Bible was written by mere > men. And I hope you're aware of the fact that insanity is not indigenous to the > twentieth century. > I believe Jesus was a great man. There's a book I've been trying to find that's > based on historical accounts of his life. It goes into the lack of meat in his diet. > Yeah, yeah... maybe he fed a village with fish. Wasn't that about 2000 years ago? Wasn't > life a little more difficult then? Haven't we come a long way since then? > I don't know whether or not the Pope eats meat but I do know that he's merely > the figurehead of one of the most corrupt institutions this world has ever known. Even > if I was Xian, I'd not base my own actions upon his. > Again... it comes back to our brains... We've been given the ability to think. > So... THINK. > > Shad > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:41:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph H. Goforth" Subject: Re: Best Concert Cool...I've always wanted to see 3dog night...that was what my parents were listening to when I was(don't feel old when I say this) about 2 or so. I've always listened to them. I think that's what got me into rock...instead of country like my parents. They changed. Well...my first concert is coming up on the 30th of this month when I go to see Counting Crows.....I can't wait. Joseph On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 CMOwnby@aol.com wrote: > I believe the first concert I ever saw was three dog night..my parents took > me to it. This was about the time when I felt that the music was old..and was > too cool to be around my parents...but later on..I appreciated it..I got to > see Don Mclean, the 5th Dimension, Steve Miller, the Guess Who, REO > Speedwagon, Fleetwood Mac (err..or should I say what's left of them)...One of > the best concerts I went to was (well..next to Poe of course) was Pat > Benatar...well..I've seen many concerts though that I've really > enjoyed...Violent Femmes, NIN, Reverend Horton Heat, Special Beat, Ministry, > uhh..(who else)...G Love and Special Sauce, No Doubt, Everclear, Peter > Murphy, Tool, Oh yeah..another good one was Pink Floyd...but anyway..my list > tends to be kind of long so I will no longer continue..just wanted to discuss > something other than what my body digests... > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:59:53 -0500 From: RADIO FREE Subject: LONG SLEEVE SHIRT! BABY TEE's! ARE IN! 1/18 UPDATE Well here is the update Here is what i picked up on friday Baby Tee 3 Long Sleeve Shirts L 3 (1 left i took one and i gave one away) Long Sleeve Shirts XL 4 These are a little Different... All are White Shirts (Good ones) They have Violet INK FRONT CENTER: BIG POE LOGO BACK CENTER TOP (Near the Neck line): P O E with Angry Psychos under it I Still have a bunch of Jackets and Short Sleeve shirts NO CHECKS! I cant cash them (i can but they take awhile to clear ) Prices are the name JACKETS: $30 Short Sleeve Shirts: $15 Long Sleeve Shorts: $20 Baby Tee: $15 ... ROICE!?! who are you.. you sent a check i cant cash it to "RADIO FREE" Also i got a few people money orders this week but i am sending them out on tuesday since i woke up and the post office is closed. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:58:50 -0800 From: weh Subject: Re: poe's music in the future Norm Hayden wrote: > > Hey gang, > Hmmm...all this talk about Poe's music got me to thinking. What will she > be like years from now? "Hello" is a pretty experimental album. Her live > show is more intense. I know she has grown as a performer in the past > year. I think we are all in agreement that the new album will prove that. > But five, ten years down the line who knows? The mystery is the beauty of > it all. One thing I would love to hear is Poe working with a symphonic > string section. I'm a sucker for strings. I believe hear voice and lyrics > would fuse so smoothly, hypnotically with a string section that the > listener would simply melt blissfully away never to return. > It's something to wish for. > Later, > Norm > > "It's okay to be stupid if everybody else is." > Redd Kross good call norm--i would also love to see that collaboration. anyone else with any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:44:03 -0500 (EST) From: Nathan Wilder Subject: Re: NPC: hackers On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Rusty M Shelby wrote: > NPC = NonPoeContent > > did anyone see the movie "hackers"..... last night reminded me a lot of > this movie. > > -rusty I saw the movie and personally I think it has to be one of the worst I've seen in a theatre. On a positive note, it did protray hackers in a positive light unlike the media usually does and I suppose it could have been enjoyable to someone without a technical background. But the movie did a terrible job of helping the audience to understand the hacker mentality, and I certainly don't know any hacker or hacker-like person who acts like they did on the movie. Besides this the acting was mediocre and the plot sucked. One thing the movie did bring across to me though was the director's absolute ignorance of anything concerning computers or technology. Nathan a.k.a. Que nwilder@usit.net http://www.public.usit.net/nwilder ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 14:47:34 -0800 From: Megan Roberts Subject: Right on, Shad! No text ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 16:24:18 -0700 (MST) From: Jarrod Subject: IRC or WEB > NOOOOO!!!! Definately don't do it on IRC!!!!!! The whole reason I loved the Poe.org chat so much is cus I didn't have to download anything!!!! If you do it on IRC, i won't be able to download it so I'll miss it!!!!! PLEASE KEEP IT WHERE IT IS!! Hackers is a small price to pay for being able to have EVERYONE there!!!!!!! > CJ > > WWW.POE.ORG angry-psychos-request@smoe.org I am going to figure this out. There will be something in place for next time that will help our success. Jarrod ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:05:14 EST From: tiltedhalo@juno.com (Tom Harris) Subject: Re: poes music On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:41:12 -0500 (EST) Moonbeamgi@aol.com writes: >Hey I know where Poe will be in ten years.....on one of those super >90's cds >like they have commercials for of the 70's and 80's musics.j/k at >least i hope so bye > But they already have '90's compilations out now!! Really. It's stuff from like 90-93. Scary, really.... next thing you know they'll be releasing a 21st Century compilation disc next year!!! - ---pat "Me and Charles Manson like the same ice cream." -- Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:11:14 EST From: tiltedhalo@juno.com (Tom Harris) Subject: Re: NPR-Fish as vegetables On Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:29:56 -0600 Lehmann writes: > >Fish aren't cuddly? Since when? :) Cuddly cuddly fish.... fish heads = >fish heads roly poly fish heads. Does anyone know how that song goes? >or who it's by? > Yes! Barnes and Barnes!! Fish heads, Fish heads Rolly-polly fish heads Fish heads Fish heads Eat them up yum! In the morning Laughing happy fish heads In the evening Rolling in the soup Ask a fish head anything you want to they won't answer they can't talk I took a fish head Out to see a movie Didn't have to pay To get him in. They can't play baseball They don't wear sweaters They're not good dancers They don't do drugs. Rolly-polly fish heads are never seen drinking cappucino in fancy restaurants with italian women. Fish heads, Fish heads Rolly-polly fish heads Fish heads Fish heads Eat them up yum! > CJ ... fille de poissons (sp?) > Vos lobes d'oreilles sont comme têtes de poisson. - ---pat "Me and Charles Manson like the same ice cream." -- Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:29:50 -0500 (EST) From: YellowDukk@aol.com Subject: poe running away. hey all. i was just thinking..... when POE was 16, she ran away to NYC, right? she stayed with an artist named peter max. he ws like this way famous artist from the 70s. i saw some stuff of his in the mall today and it was way cool. i wanted to know how poe got hooked up with peter max in the first place... adn was "running away" thing planned out w/ her parents or something? 'cuz then it wouldn't be runing away.... or did she just slip out in the middle of the night and leave a note that said "dear everyone. i'm running away to NYC" or whatever. if anyone knows anything, i'm really interested about it. (not that i'm gonna run away or something...) POE, if you are reading this i'm really interseted in a reply. thanks. brette ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 17:44:14 -0700 (MST) From: Jarrod Subject: Re: poe running away. I have forwarded this to POE's management. Thanks Jarrod On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 YellowDukk@aol.com wrote: > hey all. > > i was just thinking..... when POE was 16, she ran away to NYC, right? she > stayed with an artist named peter max. he ws like this way famous artist > from the 70s. i saw some stuff of his in the mall today and it was way cool. > i wanted to know how poe got hooked up with peter max in the first place... > adn was "running away" thing planned out w/ her parents or something? 'cuz > then it wouldn't be runing away.... or did she just slip out in the middle > of the night and leave a note that said "dear everyone. i'm running away to > NYC" or whatever. if anyone knows anything, i'm really interested about it. > (not that i'm gonna run away or something...) POE, if you are reading this > i'm really interseted in a reply. thanks. > > brette > WWW.POE.ORG angry-psychos-request@smoe.org ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V2 #23 **********************************