From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V1 #61 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, December 8 1996 Volume 01 : Number 061 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Subject: Re: Marilyn Bashing... Manson controversy.... Re: Marilyn Bashing... Re: Marilyn Bashing... Re: Manson controversy.... Delete Hell on Poe List. Re: That Day.....opens every show i've seen Manson: not just a job... It's a living.... Re: It's a living.... Poe on SOMETHING SO RIGHT Re: Manson: not just a job... Disconnected Modem UPDATED!!! Re: Marilyn Bashing... Alanis vs. Poe Re: Alanis vs. Poe poe ring Rollingstone I'm updated Too Re: WBER vs. The Nerve Marilyn controversy.... sorry just one more thing..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 01:48:15 EST From: agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby) Subject: Subject: Re: Marilyn Bashing... Subject: Re: Marilyn Bashing... >>On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Colin Smith wrote: >> >> NO!!!!!! MARILYN MANSON... BLOWS [guys on stage]... >> AND SLICES OPEN >>HIS STOMACH.... HE IS CRAZY. SO EVIL I CAN'T >>EVEN BEGIN TO EXPLAIN >>IT!!!!! GOD RID OF THAT ANTI-CHRIST. >> >> GOD HELP. >> >> ~Colin > >Oooook, you are pretty weird, and that was a weird message. > >__________________________________________________________ >Sugam Jain sugam@umich.edu actually.. that wasn't a weird message.. it was the truth. sorry. the guy is a freak. (but, it's all for show.. so i haven't made up my mind about him yet) - -rusty (agentorange2@juno.com) web page, "Disconnected Modem": http://members.aol.com/TAPList/modem.html my POE pictures are up at: http://www.enter.net/~husselman/poe.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:15:17 -0600 (CST) From: jgofort@comp.uark.edu (Joseph H. Goforth) Subject: Manson controversy.... Geez guys, settle down. C'mon now, can't we all just get along... I know me and choklit started this little fiassco with manson. I don't believe manson is evil or anything.......he might be a little messed up in the head...but hell, who isn't? I think we should respect each other's musical tastes....I like Rusted Root, but very few people I know do like them. I'd probably get beat up for saying I like Deep Forest stuff too.... New and Improved....and better Formula too!!! Joseph G. joseph goforth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 01:44:35 -0500 From: Shad Clark Subject: Re: Marilyn Bashing... Colin Smith wrote: > > NO!!!!!! MARILYN MANSON MOLESTS LITTLE KIDS AND BLOWS HIS BAND MEMBERS > ON STAGE AND SLICES OPEN HIS STOMACH AND HAS PEOPLE POUR SAND AND SPIT IN > THEM AT CONCERTS. HE IS CRAZY. SO EVIL I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO EXPLAIN > IT!!!!! GOD RID OF THAT ANTI-CHRIST. > > GOD HELP. > > ~Colin > Colin, First, take a chill pill. Then, read and/or listen to the lyrics from Manson's ANTICHRIST SUPERSTAR. Pay particular attention to the words from "1996" and "The Reflecting God." Afterwards, you should be pretty clear on the fact that Manson isn't exactly Satanic but leans instead into atheism. You have to be a Xian to be a Satanist. The entire album is basically about a rock star who uses the guise of the AC to make $$$ and gain lots of popularity. Gee... Doesn't that make it slightly true to life??? Shad P.S. Where did you dig up all your alleged "facts" on Manson? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 03:03:38 -0600 (CST) From: jgofort@comp.uark.edu (Joseph H. Goforth) Subject: Re: Marilyn Bashing... Shad wrote: >Colin, > > First, take a chill pill. Then, read and/or listen to the lyrics from Manson's >ANTICHRIST SUPERSTAR. Pay particular attention to the words from "1996" and "The >Reflecting God." Afterwards, you should be pretty clear on the fact that Manson isn't >exactly Satanic but leans instead into atheism. You have to be a Xian to be a Satanist. >The entire album is basically about a rock star who uses the guise of the AC to make $$$ >and gain lots of popularity. Gee... Doesn't that make it slightly true to life??? > > Shad > >P.S. Where did you dig up all your alleged "facts" on Manson? > > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whoa. You get the story of a rock star in the guise of the Antichrist? Wow...I got what Manson himself has said in interviews....it's the metamorphis of a wormboy to a creature with wings...it believes itself to be an angel(the antichrist if you will). But others see it as a demon. kinda of a social commentary there by Mr. Manson himself. A lot of their album isn't really about religion..it's more about society and the views that we hold....how we percieve beauty for example is a strong theme..."I got my wings and I never knew.....". The right or wrong of Manson is pointless...the only important thing is if you get a message out of the music...whether it be a message of insanity or one of deep thoughts.......the choice is all in how you percieve the world. Joseph G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:08:01 -0800 (PST) From: Hell Cat Subject: Re: Manson controversy.... On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Joseph H. Goforth wrote: >I'd probably get beat up for saying I like Deep Forest stuff too.... Nah! People aren't allowed to beat people up for liking such peaceful music. It just wouldn't be gright. PS. I'm a Deep Forest Fan too :) > New and Improved....and better Formula too!!! > > Joseph G. > joseph goforth > > Visit the Scratching Post of a confessed Hell Cat. http://www.hooked.net/~badkitty/ And don't forget to ask Miss Kitty... http://www.hooked.net/~badkitty/ask.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 04:19:39, -0500 From: VFSF35B@prodigy.com ( DARRIN TODARO) Subject: Delete Hell on Poe List. This is a plea to all AP's...please stop the debates of an anti- christ on the pages that support God's gift to us all.....our lovely Poe. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 03:48:18 -0600 (CST) From: "I. Dwayne Koonce" Subject: Re: That Day.....opens every show i've seen On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Rusty M Shelby wrote: > >>That Day: > > > >just wondering if she always opens up her shows with this song... or > does > >she not have a set song to open with? > > > > choklit > > > i too have thought about this. however, it would only make sence for her > to open every show with this....considering that she is a crowd surfer, > and most of the other songs are loud and get the crowd jumpin'.....if she > did this song in the middle of the show between say..."hello" and > "choking the cherry", no one would listen to the lyrics or what she has > to say. get it? True...that's probably why she's moved it to the opening. The first time I saw her, I think she opened with "Hello"--I know "That Day" was later in the set. I don't remember how she opened the second time, but the third time was in August, and by then, she'd settled onto the playlist which she apparently used on her headlining tour and most (all?) other recent dates. It's been posted to the list several times--it's the one that starts with "That Day" and includes the "Jane Says" cover. ____________________________________________________________________________ I. Dwayne Koonce E-mail: idk@metronet.com ____________________________________________________________________________ "It's dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." --Voltaire ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 06:13:34 -0500 From: Tao4kenn@aol.com Subject: Manson: not just a job... For those who care: 1> Read just about any interview with marilyn to get your facts straight (and there are plenty out there right about now). He is an ordained minister in the satanic church, blah blah blah. He does lots of weird stuff onstage. Whoopee - so do Ozzy, Alice Cooper, GWAR, the Genitorturers, and others. It's called entertainment. Fans of his dig it, and he continues to getrich. 2> Manson is an incredibly nice and VERY intelligent man - I met them backstage at a concert a year and a half ago, and we talked for some time over beers. He knows what he's doing, and he knows he is succeeding. After all, would we be debating this if the band wasn't Manson, but rather Seal or some other non-controversial act? I don't think so. The man knows his marketing. Kenn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 06:00:10 -0600 (CST) From: jgofort@comp.uark.edu (Joseph H. Goforth) Subject: It's a living.... Ken wrote: >For those who care: >(and there are plenty out there right about now). He is an ordained minister >in the satanic church, blah blah blah. He does lots of weird stuff onstage. Ok...so he is in the satanic church....but is it a serious thing or something he did purely to complete the image that marilyn manson has been building? > After all, would we be debating this if the band wasn't Manson, but >rather Seal or some other non-controversial act? What? SEAL's not controversial......but-but....(sorry I couldn't resist this one!). I want to propose a new subject though: who's better Poe or Alanis(I can hear the screamings already.....I know their nothing alike...but so what..I don't like Alanis...). Let the war begin! Joseph "divert you from your topic" Goforth joseph goforth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 11:15:44 -0500 From: CrnflkeGrl@aol.com Subject: Re: It's a living.... Hey! You might know who i am. I used to be dpfield@westmail.com, and I now have aol. Anyway, I think that Poe is better then Alanis. I don't mean to offend anyone by saying that, but I used to love Alanis, about a year and a half ago, but now definitely think Poe is more interesting both musically and lyrically. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 11:01:34 -0800 From: "J.Beadle" Subject: Poe on SOMETHING SO RIGHT I was flipping through the channels sometime last week, and stopped on (NBC?) and saw SOMETHING SO RIGHT. I had seen the scenes for the show but never seen it. I was watching, and during the show in one scene, the older daughter came out wearing a shirt (dunno color) with poe's symbol. It had a circle with a star in it. Cool, huh? - -Landon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 11:27:05 -0500 From: Shad Clark Subject: Re: Manson: not just a job... Tao4kenn@aol.com wrote: > > For those who care: > 1> Read just about any interview with marilyn to get your facts straight > (and there are plenty out there right about now). He is an ordained minister > in the satanic church, blah blah blah. He does lots of weird stuff onstage. > Whoopee - so do Ozzy, Alice Cooper, GWAR, the Genitorturers, and others. > It's called entertainment. Fans of his dig it, and he continues to getrich. Hmm... Well... All I know is that my friend's roommate is Manson's ex and the "concept" of ANTICHRIST SUPERSTAR was supposed to be exactly what I explained before. It only became most obvious in the 2 tunes I mentioned. Shad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 13:28:16 EST From: twistedalanis@juno.com (Dustin Shelby) Subject: Disconnected Modem UPDATED!!! Disconnected Modem been UPDATED!!!!!! There is a new guetbook and updated pages!! http://members.aol.com/TAPList/modem.html No new area since no one sent in any ideas and Rusty and I have no new Ideas. Wait, Idea!!!!!! how about a store!!!! you could sell, buy, trade POE stuff with other poe fans!!! let me know what you think!!! ~Ðüš†ïñ Shëlbÿ (Dustin Shelby) TAP List Founder & President, TAP Honorary Executive Dustin's Home Page: http://members.aol.com/AlanisPage/index.html twisted: http://members.aol.com/TAPList/twisted.html Disconnected Modem: http://members.aol.com/TAPList/modem.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 13:14:36 -0500 From: Evilfrige Subject: Re: Marilyn Bashing... I never replied to Colin Smith's original post because ignorance like that doesn't even deserve a reply. And I thought he was just joking at first. The post was the most unintelligent thing I've ever read on this list. All caps didn't help it either. But there was a little bit of truth in his message. In the past, Marilyn has cut his stomach and let fans spit in the open wounds. Colin was completely wrong about the other things that he said. Also, some of you are talking about Marilyn being in "the satanic church." The church is called "The Church of Satan." Members of "The Church of Satan" do not worship Satan. They don't believe in a god or a satan. (Marilyn is an athiest, too) They only use satan as a symbol for such things as individuality, greed, lust, etc. Anyway, Marilyn is a Reverend. The high priest of the church gave him that title. I hope I cleared that up for you. I'm glad that Colin expressed himself. He certainly has a right to. But the facts that he offered are just totally wrong. >>For those who care: >>(and there are plenty out there right about now). He is an ordained minister >>in the satanic church, blah blah blah. He does lots of weird stuff onstage. >Ok...so he is in the satanic church....but is it a serious thing or >something he did purely to complete the image that marilyn manson has been >building? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 96 11:47:39 -0500 From: "Corpron, Anna" Subject: Alanis vs. Poe - -- [ From: Corpron, Anna * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Okay....here's my 2 cents...I like both Poe and Alanis. =3D=DE I think th= at Poe is a brilliant artist, with a lot of depth and a great voice! Alanis, I a= lso love. She writes great songs...I don't see why we have to like one and no= t the other...Both are great but in their own personal ways...JMHO. Any comments welcome... Anna - -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- I want to propose a new subject though: who's better Poe or Alanis(I can= hear the screamings already.....I know their nothing alike...but so what.= =2EI don't like Alanis...). Let the war begin! Joseph "divert you from your topic" Goforth joseph goforth - -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:27:24 -0500 (EST) From: Sugam Jain Subject: Re: Alanis vs. Poe Ok, this thread was stopped amisdt a huge argument a couple of weeks ago. Lets stop it now before it gets too big sugam ____________________________________________________________________ Sugam Jain sugam@umich.edu 5112 S.Q. Bush http://www.umich.edu/~sugam 600 E. Madison St. 313.764.9613 Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Go Blue!!!!!!!! "That which does not kill me can only make me stronger" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 96 12:36:29 -0500 From: "Corpron, Anna" Subject: poe ring - -- [ From: Corpron, Anna * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hey everyone! There are still a few of us in line I think to be added, so could you guys add us to the Poe Ring? Thanks! Anna http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/1946 ------------------------------ Date: 07 Dec 96 16:37:11 EST From: JD5502@ACSPR1.acs.brockport.edu Subject: Rollingstone FYI: In the dec. 26 double issue ofRollingstone there is a full page ad for "Hello" Some of you may have seen the pic before (i think it's on a poster) It's Poe sitting on some stairs with fire behind her and she is holding a knife? in her hand. Beautiful pic of course! It isno w hanging happily on my dorm door with all my other POE pics. - -- jody-robin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 96 14:43 PST From: Lyza Gardner Subject: I'm updated Too To all who haven't stopped by lately, I'm of the opinion that my Poe page looks at least a little better... http://www.europa.com/~lyza/music/poe.htm Lyza ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 18:55:05 -0500 From: "CathyS" Subject: Re: WBER vs. The Nerve OK - let's settle the Nerve/WBER controversy once and for all now. I listen primarily to WBER but I also listen to The Nerve. I can't imagine not going to see Poe just because the show is sponsored by a station you don't like! BTW, I had ticket #50 to the show... but then again, I am a true Poe fan! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 23:40:56 -0800 From: Joseph Goforth Subject: Marilyn controversy.... Ok.....you base that whole molestation thing on the titles to their album...yeah real proof there. Give me a break. Have you ever listened to those albums? I have. They have nothing to do with molestation..most of them are social commentaries on our society.....does that scare you? It does me. Look around our world and you'll see that those things are happening everyday. Manson is merely shoving the reality in our face, in a way that many people don't like. It is too blunt for them. Open your mind to symbolism and irony and you'll see what I'm talking about. What does Bullet w/Butterfly wings mean? I see it as meaning the struggle of everyday man to get a "piece of the game" no matter the cost. Hmmmm....I READ between the lines.....you've got to do that with most music. If you don't, then you're missing the whole point of the artist doing the song. Now, that is settled for me.....I want to know how people feel about Rusted Root out there. I think they have a lot of potential to be greater than they already are.....I wished they'd toured with Poe...that'd gotten them some of the exposure they need. Thanks. Joseph "I wanna go see Poe on the 19th" Goforth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 23:48:59 -0800 From: Joseph Goforth Subject: sorry just one more thing..... Shad Clark wrote: > > Tao4kenn@aol.com wrote: > > > > For those who care: > > 1> Read just about any interview with marilyn to get your facts straight > > (and there are plenty out there right about now). He is an ordained minister > > in the satanic church, blah blah blah. He does lots of weird stuff onstage. > > Whoopee - so do Ozzy, Alice Cooper, GWAR, the Genitorturers, and others. > > It's called entertainment. Fans of his dig it, and he continues to getrich. > > Hmm... Well... All I know is that my friend's roommate is Manson's ex and the "concept" > of ANTICHRIST SUPERSTAR was supposed to be exactly what I explained before. It only > became most obvious in the 2 tunes I mentioned. > > Shad ___________________________________________________ Ok. This guy's got it right. See this is all about making money. Manson is a "concept" band just like Kiss and Alice Cooper, and even Sting to a degree. They all have personalities they've got to play on stage. Kiss is the badboys of the seventies who never let the parents make them change the way they made music. Cooper was just insane at times on stage. Sting has that I'm beautiful and you're not attitude on stage. Manson has the "your Fucking stupid and not seeing the world around you" attitude. You have to realize that Manson is merely tapping in on the evils of society.....just like the Church of Satan uses Satan to represent all that is wrong in our society. So, Colin doesn't like Manson because of the names of their albums? Ok...but I wonder how much influence Trent Reznor had in those two early albums? I recall he had quite a bit of control as producer in those. Even this latest one, Trent was heavily involved. Thanks again! Joseph "Godfather" Goforth ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V1 #61 **********************************