From: owner-angry-psychos-digest To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V1 #42 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, 20 November 1996 Volume 01 : Number 042 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! Re: fave songs POE Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! Oh my how we tangent. Poe, Alanis, Hootie, blah blah blah Poe's talent fav song poe/alanis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jenn@shd.com (Jenny Gessel of SHD - Smith/Harrison) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:31:01 -0600 Subject: Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! I'd have to say I'm with you guys on that one. I'm not the least bit fond of alanis, and it gets worse and worse the more they overplay her songs. Why can't somebody with actual depth and talent, like Poe, get airplay like that? Lehmann wrote: > > Why does everyone on this group like alanis?!! She has to be the most > untalented, and worst singer that I have ever heard. She is a woman who's > main listnership is six year old girls > sugam > > =================== > NO KIDDING! God i am sick of that woman. > > --cj--the anarchist ------------------------------ From: tim roberts Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 10:42:19 EST Subject: Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! Someone like POE can't get airplay like that because she has REAL fans, not a herd of bandwagon-jumpers that don't have an appreciation for the music but instead are following the crowd...I'm kindof glad that POE doesn't get played THAT much on the radio, because then she might get grossly overplayed. Alanis has gotten overplayed to a nauseating degree, and I don't even think that she's GOOD. Imagine what could happen with POE? For her sake, I'd like to see her get more airplay, because it would surely make life easier and allow her more freedom to do what she wants, but then again, do any of us want to see what has happened to Alanis and Hootie(UGH) happen to POE??? On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:31:01 -0600 you said: >I'd have to say I'm with you guys on that one. I'm not the least bit >fond of alanis, and it gets worse and worse the more they overplay her >songs. Why can't somebody with actual depth and talent, like Poe, get >airplay like that? > >Lehmann wrote: >> >> Why does everyone on this group like alanis?!! She has to be the most >> untalented, and worst singer that I have ever heard. She is a woman who's >> main listnership is six year old girls >> sugam >> >> =================== >> NO KIDDING! God i am sick of that woman. >> >> --cj--the anarchist ------------------------------ From: jenn@shd.com (Jenny Gessel of SHD - Smith/Harrison) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:54:15 -0600 Subject: Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! Good point, Tim. It is kind of nice to have her to ourselves...but at the same time, I have to believe that she wouldn't have a similar fate to that of Hootie (Eew!) and Alanis. After all, Poe has real talent... tim roberts wrote: > > Someone like POE can't get airplay like that because she has REAL fans, not > a herd of bandwagon-jumpers that don't have an appreciation for the music but > instead are following the crowd...I'm kindof glad that POE doesn't get played > THAT much on the radio, because then she might get grossly overplayed. Alanis > has gotten overplayed to a nauseating degree, and I don't even think that she's > GOOD. Imagine what could happen with POE? For her sake, I'd like to see her > get more airplay, because it would surely make life easier and allow her more > freedom to do what she wants, but then again, do any of us want to see what has > happened to Alanis and Hootie(UGH) happen to POE??? ------------------------------ From: Sugam Jain Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:59:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! Actually, I beg to differ. Although Poe was never near Alanisness in popularitity, there was a time at the beginning of this summer when I couldn't turn on the radio without hearing "Angry, Johhny" You don't know how sick of that song I got. sugam =========================================================================== |"Never shall I forget the days I spent with you. Continue to be my | |friend as you will always find me yours." | | | |"Do or do Not. There is no try." | | | |"The world will little note nor long remember what we say here." | | -Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address | =========================================================================== On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, tim roberts wrote: > > Someone like POE can't get airplay like that because she has REAL fans, not > a herd of bandwagon-jumpers that don't have an appreciation for the music but > instead are following the crowd...I'm kindof glad that POE doesn't get played > THAT much on the radio, because then she might get grossly overplayed. Alanis > has gotten overplayed to a nauseating degree, and I don't even think that she's > GOOD. Imagine what could happen with POE? For her sake, I'd like to see her > get more airplay, because it would surely make life easier and allow her more > freedom to do what she wants, but then again, do any of us want to see what has > happened to Alanis and Hootie(UGH) happen to POE??? > On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:31:01 -0600 you said: > >I'd have to say I'm with you guys on that one. I'm not the least bit > >fond of alanis, and it gets worse and worse the more they overplay her > >songs. Why can't somebody with actual depth and talent, like Poe, get > >airplay like that? > > > >Lehmann wrote: > >> > >> Why does everyone on this group like alanis?!! She has to be the most > >> untalented, and worst singer that I have ever heard. She is a woman who's > >> main listnership is six year old girls > >> sugam > >> > >> =================== > >> NO KIDDING! God i am sick of that woman. > >> > >> --cj--the anarchist > ------------------------------ From: Roger Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:12:33 +0100 Subject: Re: fave songs At 06:53 PM 19-11-96 -0600, Lehmann wrote: >what is everyone's favorite Poe song? I've heard a lot of ppl's is Choking the Cherry and Angry Johnny, but nobody seems to like Hello and Fingertips, which are my favorite songs. The first time i heard the album, i heard (of course) HEllo first and i was like, OH MY GOD (you know, that 'la da da.." thing. it's so mystical) and that's the whole reason i even started being so damn fanatic about her!! Plus, Fingertips is my very favorite song ever, cus i love the jazzy sense in it.. > just saying. sorry if i offend anyone > bye bye babes > --CJ--the hot chick > I kinda agree with you, fingertips is a beautiful song. I like that day very much and Dolphin. Hello is espescially beautiful when you listen it over earphones, it sounds very spatial (I know that word doesn't cover the whole but it's the best I can think of to describe it). Bye! Roger ------------------------------ From: Colin Smith Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:43:42 -0700 Subject: POE i think that the hidden track after fly away is WEIRD! ~Colin "I LIE JUST TO BE REAL" "and i'd die just to feel" "WHY DO THE SAME OLD THINGS" "keep on happening" "BECAUSE BEYOND MY HOPES" "there are no feelings" ---THE-SMASHING-PUMPKINS--- - ---tales-of-a-scorched-earth--- ------------------------------ From: tim roberts Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 13:03:45 EST Subject: Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:54:15 -0600 you said: You're right, I don't think that POE will end up like Hootie or Alanis. Pray to god she doesn't! She is IMMENSELY talented. I am presently trying to convince my roomate of this fact, oddly enough, because he absolutely refuses to acknowledge that ANYTHING new is GOOD. What a dumbass. HELLO is one of the better albums I've heard in quite a while... >Good point, Tim. It is kind of nice to have her to ourselves...but at >the same time, I have to believe that she wouldn't have a similar fate >to that of Hootie (Eew!) and Alanis. After all, Poe has real talent... > >tim roberts wrote: >> >> Someone like POE can't get airplay like that because she has REAL fans, not >> a herd of bandwagon-jumpers that don't have an appreciation for the music but >> instead are following the crowd...I'm kindof glad that POE doesn't get played >> THAT much on the radio, because then she might get grossly overplayed. Alanis >> has gotten overplayed to a nauseating degree, and I don't even think that she's >> GOOD. Imagine what could happen with POE? For her sake, I'd like to see her >> get more airplay, because it would surely make life easier and allow her more >> freedom to do what she wants, but then again, do any of us want to see what has >> happened to Alanis and Hootie(UGH) happen to POE??? ------------------------------ From: tim roberts Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 13:12:02 EST Subject: Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:59:37 -0500 (EST) you said: oh god yeah that's right...that's why I try not to listen to the radio too much, because they'll take ANY good song and play the hell out of it. The thiung is though, at the POE shows that I've been to, there seems to be an overwhelming majority of people who know EVERY song. By comparison, I went to a LIVE concert last year and left SO pissed off because half of the idiots in the arena knew the 4 radio singles and that's it. My girlfriend went to an Alanis concert (WHY?!) over the summer and said that such was the case at that show also... >Actually, I beg to differ. Although Poe was never near Alanisness in >popularitity, there was a time at the beginning of this summer when I >couldn't turn on the radio without hearing "Angry, Johhny" You don't know >how sick of that song I got. >sugam > > >=========================================================================== >|"Never shall I forget the days I spent with you. Continue to be my | >|friend as you will always find me yours." | >| | >|"Do or do Not. There is no try." | >| | >|"The world will little note nor long remember what we say here." | >| -Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address | >=========================================================================== > >On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, tim roberts wrote: > >> >> Someone like POE can't get airplay like that because she has REAL fans, not >> a herd of bandwagon-jumpers that don't have an appreciation for the music but >> instead are following the crowd...I'm kindof glad that POE doesn't get played >> THAT much on the radio, because then she might get grossly overplayed. Alanis >> has gotten overplayed to a nauseating degree, and I don't even think that she's >> GOOD. Imagine what could happen with POE? For her sake, I'd like to see her >> get more airplay, because it would surely make life easier and allow her more >> freedom to do what she wants, but then again, do any of us want to see what has >> happened to Alanis and Hootie(UGH) happen to POE??? >> On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:31:01 -0600 you said: >> >I'd have to say I'm with you guys on that one. I'm not the least bit >> >fond of alanis, and it gets worse and worse the more they overplay her >> >songs. Why can't somebody with actual depth and talent, like Poe, get >> >airplay like that? >> > >> >Lehmann wrote: >> >> >> >> Why does everyone on this group like alanis?!! She has to be the most >> >> untalented, and worst singer that I have ever heard. She is a woman who's >> >> main listnership is six year old girls >> >> sugam >> >> >> >> =================== >> >> NO KIDDING! God i am sick of that woman. >> >> >> >> --cj--the anarchist >> > ------------------------------ From: jenn@shd.com (Jenny Gessel of SHD - Smith/Harrison) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:21:09 -0600 Subject: Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! It was that way at NIN, too...can you imagine? There's Trent Reznor up on stage, and all of these teenyboppers wandering around simply because 1) his music pisses off their parents and 2) they heard ONE of his songs on the radio and thought it was kind of cool, mostly because it pissed off their parents. tim roberts wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:59:37 -0500 (EST) you said: > oh god yeah that's right...that's why I try not to listen to the radio too > much, because they'll take ANY good song and play the hell out of it. The > thiung is though, at the POE shows that I've been to, there seems to be an > overwhelming majority of people who know EVERY song. By comparison, I went > to a LIVE concert last year and left SO pissed off because half of the idiots > in the arena knew the 4 radio singles and that's it. My girlfriend went to an > Alanis concert (WHY?!) over the summer and said that such was the case at that > show also... > >Actually, I beg to differ. Although Poe was never near Alanisness in > >popularitity, there was a time at the beginning of this summer when I > >couldn't turn on the radio without hearing "Angry, Johhny" You don't know > >how sick of that song I got. > >sugam > > > > > >=========================================================================== > >|"Never shall I forget the days I spent with you. Continue to be my | > >|friend as you will always find me yours." | > >| | > >|"Do or do Not. There is no try." | > >| | > >|"The world will little note nor long remember what we say here." | > >| -Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address | > >=========================================================================== > > > >On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, tim roberts wrote: > > > >> > >> Someone like POE can't get airplay like that because she has REAL fans, not > >> a herd of bandwagon-jumpers that don't have an appreciation for the music but > >> instead are following the crowd...I'm kindof glad that POE doesn't get played > >> THAT much on the radio, because then she might get grossly overplayed. Alanis > >> has gotten overplayed to a nauseating degree, and I don't even think that she's > >> GOOD. Imagine what could happen with POE? For her sake, I'd like to see her > >> get more airplay, because it would surely make life easier and allow her more > >> freedom to do what she wants, but then again, do any of us want to see what has > >> happened to Alanis and Hootie(UGH) happen to POE??? > >> On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:31:01 -0600 you said: > >> >I'd have to say I'm with you guys on that one. I'm not the least bit > >> >fond of alanis, and it gets worse and worse the more they overplay her > >> >songs. Why can't somebody with actual depth and talent, like Poe, get > >> >airplay like that? > >> > > >> >Lehmann wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Why does everyone on this group like alanis?!! She has to be the most > >> >> untalented, and worst singer that I have ever heard. She is a woman who's > >> >> main listnership is six year old girls > >> >> sugam > >> >> > >> >> =================== > >> >> NO KIDDING! God i am sick of that woman. > >> >> > >> >> --cj--the anarchist > >> > > ------------------------------ From: tim roberts Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 13:24:48 EST Subject: Re: POE IS SO COOL FOR WHAT SHE DID AND MORE!!!!! On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:21:09 -0600 you said: I saw NIN too and they didn't play CLoser. They played one of the remixes and it took all of the teenyboppers a second to figure out what song it was. I would have been so psyched if they HADN'T played it at all. There is SOOOO much more to NIN than Closer... >It was that way at NIN, too...can you imagine? There's Trent Reznor up >on stage, and all of these teenyboppers wandering around simply because >1) his music pisses off their parents and 2) they heard ONE of his songs >on the radio and thought it was kind of cool, mostly because it pissed >off their parents. > >tim roberts wrote: >> >> On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:59:37 -0500 (EST) you said: >> oh god yeah that's right...that's why I try not to listen to the radio too >> much, because they'll take ANY good song and play the hell out of it. The >> thiung is though, at the POE shows that I've been to, there seems to be an >> overwhelming majority of people who know EVERY song. By comparison, I went >> to a LIVE concert last year and left SO pissed off because half of the idiots >> in the arena knew the 4 radio singles and that's it. My girlfriend went to an >> Alanis concert (WHY?!) over the summer and said that such was the case at that >> show also... >> >Actually, I beg to differ. Although Poe was never near Alanisness in >> >popularitity, there was a time at the beginning of this summer when I >> >couldn't turn on the radio without hearing "Angry, Johhny" You don't know >> >how sick of that song I got. >> >sugam >> > >> > >> >=========================================================================== >> >|"Never shall I forget the days I spent with you. Continue to be my | >> >|friend as you will always find me yours." | >> >| | >> >|"Do or do Not. There is no try." | >> >| | >> >|"The world will little note nor long remember what we say here." | >> >| -Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address | >> >=========================================================================== >> > >> >On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, tim roberts wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Someone like POE can't get airplay like that because she has REAL fans, not >> >> a herd of bandwagon-jumpers that don't have an appreciation for the music but >> >> instead are following the crowd...I'm kindof glad that POE doesn't get played >> >> THAT much on the radio, because then she might get grossly overplayed. Alanis >> >> has gotten overplayed to a nauseating degree, and I don't even think that she's >> >> GOOD. Imagine what could happen with POE? For her sake, I'd like to see her >> >> get more airplay, because it would surely make life easier and allow her more >> >> freedom to do what she wants, but then again, do any of us want to see what has >> >> happened to Alanis and Hootie(UGH) happen to POE??? >> >> On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:31:01 -0600 you said: >> >> >I'd have to say I'm with you guys on that one. I'm not the least bit >> >> >fond of alanis, and it gets worse and worse the more they overplay her >> >> >songs. Why can't somebody with actual depth and talent, like Poe, get >> >> >airplay like that? >> >> > >> >> >Lehmann wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Why does everyone on this group like alanis?!! She has to be the most >> >> >> untalented, and worst singer that I have ever heard. She is a woman who's >> >> >> main listnership is six year old girls >> >> >> sugam >> >> >> >> >> >> =================== >> >> >> NO KIDDING! God i am sick of that woman. >> >> >> >> >> >> --cj--the anarchist >> >> >> > ------------------------------ From: Sparkie Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:27:17 -0600 Subject: Oh my how we tangent. First the wonderful idea for the shirts that has since seemed to disappeared into nothing, and now this wonderful little episode of Alanis. Hey I'll agree with most, she stinks, the songs are catchy much like an illness. Hootie and his blowfish, Alanis and her mourning martyrs, they can all jump on the top 40 band wagon and keep riding straight on by so that those artist who have actually mastered the pipers gift, thanks to real talent and a gift for words, can stroll thru and capture the rest of us who refused to follow the group. Sparkie ------------------------------ From: "Lawrence J. Kim" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:53:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: Poe, Alanis, Hootie, blah blah blah > much, because they'll take ANY good song and play the hell out of it. The > thiung is though, at the POE shows that I've been to, there seems to be an > overwhelming majority of people who know EVERY song. By comparison, I went Really? When I saw Poe in St. Louis, she opened up for Sponge. I would say about 95% of the crowd hadn't the slightest idea who she was. But after she performed, the whole place was rocking. Maybe that's because most people just thought that she was hot and didn't care for the music because all everyone in the front row did was try to lift her skirt and grab her breasts. [I truly apologize for breaking every grammar rule in this last sentence.] After she performed, my friend and I left because we couldn't care less for Sponge. We and a few other people agreed that Sponge should've opened for Poe. Contrary to popular opinion here, I actually like Alanis, but that's my opinion, so deal with it :) Oh yeah, I hate Hootie too. My 2 cents... Lawrence http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/poe.html ************************************************************************ Lawrence J. Kim ChemE2B Sigma Nu Fraternity - Gamma Omicron chapter Washington University ljk1@cec.wustl.edu St. Louis, Missouri, USA http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/ ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ From: Scott Rappaport Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:18:48 -0500 Subject: Poe's talent This is kind of long but I worked hard on it so I hope you read it anyway. It isn't even fair to compare Alanis and Poe. Poe is superior in too many aspects to make this argument even necessary. For starters, Alanis started out as a Mariah Carey wanna-be in Canada and only after that failed did she decide to try the angst thing, which she figured would sell. Poe has been a poet and musician all along. Then there's the talent stand point. Listen to their voices. Poe is an amazing singer with great depth and range. Alanis is a good singer. From a lyrical standpoint, Poe is vastly superior. She creates metaphors and visions that Alanis can only hint at. Then why is Alanis huge and Poe still modestly obscure? It doesn't really matter. Let me explain. There are three types of bands we have to examine here. 1) The great band with a slow but steady rise to the top. 2) The great band with (seemingly) instantaneous success. 3) The mediocre band with (seemingly) instantaneous success. A perfect example of the first is REM. They have become more and more popular over the last 15 years and are now the highest paid band in the world. When they started off they were basically dismissed by all but a select few, similar to our Angry-Psychos. A good example of the second one is Nirvana. Their success seemed instantaneous but no one (or very few) denies that it was deserved. It's been five years since Nevermind and the fan base is still growing. They need not (and unfortunately can't) put out anything new but they will still be remembered and respected. Some good examples of the third group are Candlebox, Hootie and Counting Crows. I'm reluctant to say Alanis because I do kind of like her, even if not nearly as much as Poe. Anyway, a few years ago, no one could escape Candlebox on the radio. Now, almost no one will play them. Hootie and Counting Crows each came out with second albums that were said to be nothing but stale imitations of what they've already offered. I'll sum it up like this. In the year 2014, Nirvana will be eligible for the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame. Even though they wouldn't have put out an album in almost 20 years, they will most likely be inducted. Candlebox may still be making records, but their chance is slimmest to none. My point is that sooner or later, people seperate the good from the bad and regardless of how many records are sold, the music gets the credit it deserves. The music world already respects Poe as a great artist. Sooner or later, the people will too. If that's not enough consolation then I'll add this fact. The joy we get from hearing Poe surpasses the joy others get from Alanis because of the level on which we are touched by the music. I hear few people say how well they can relate to Alanis but when listening to Poe, I continuously delve farther into my own psyche. It may be "Ironic" that Alanis is getting all this attention that Poe deserves but give Alanis the credit she deserves too because soon enough, her listeners will be giving that respect to Poe. Sorry it was so long, but I hope I made some good points. Scott Rappaport ------------------------------ From: Scott Rappaport Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:28:34 -0500 Subject: fav song While I love every song on Hello, I would have to say Dolphin stands out as my favorite. Just as a bonus, these are my favorite bands (other than Poe, of course). Nirvana Smashing Pumpkins The Beatles Pearl Jam Rancid Nine Inch Nails REM "Do you know where the power lies? It starts and ends with you." Rancid-The 11th Hour ------------------------------ From: JD5502@ACSPR1.acs.brockport.edu Date: 20 Nov 96 15:29:52 EST Subject: poe/alanis Everyone will probably now hate me on this list but I love Alanis and I also respect and amire POE. I can't even compare the two because when I listen to their music I get two entirely different experiences. I admit that on some radio stations alanis is overplayed and they play the current release over and over and don't go back and play past releases. I think poe is very talented and has a wonderful voice i can't relate to her songs but they make me think and are very intense and about situations that are out of the ordinary with alanis I can relate but i don't get the in depth thinking because her songs are about everyday ordinary feelings just my opinion. I also like Bush, Smashing Pumpkins and Garbage!!! ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V1 #42 **********************************