From: owner-angry-psychos-digest To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V1 #6 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, 16 October 1996 Volume 01 : Number 006 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: angry-psychos-digest V1 #5 Angry Johnny cd single YOUR PICTURE (fwd) Re: YOUR PICTURE (fwd) Re: YOUR PICTURE (fwd) Re: YOUR PICTURE (fwd) Re: YOUR PICTURE (fwd) Poe tour dates.... Poe in Details Hello all you angry - psychos Re: Hello all you angry - psychos Re: Hello all you angry - psychos Re: YOUR PICTURE (fwd) Re: YOUR PICTURE poe vid [Fwd: Re: Finger] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linus Gelber Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V1 #5 > From: Dan Stark > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 03:01:56 -0400 > Subject: Hello > > Hi to anyone and everyone here. I suspect I probably know most of you from > the Jewel or Ecto lists. Did anyone see Poe in Detroit last week? Anyone > going to Patty Griffin this Thursday? Hi Dan - Good to see you here. I saw Poe at the Irving Plaza here in New York; a good show (my first, and I'm none too familiar with her material outside of the few cuts I have on the Spew compilations). Must say I was rather taken with Eels, her second opener (first was Stir). Enjoyed the show a lot, although the pit was a little more violent than I like it--but what would you expect from angry psychos, anyway? I suppose I'm a bit sensitive to that sort of thing, as a short person right in bony-elbow range. She crowd-surfed twice, and the second looked poised to become a massive group grope. She left the stage immediately on being deposited back there and there was no encore, and I wondered if that was her usual manner or if there was a bad vibe from the crowd that kept her off. Tracy Bonham's pit a few days later was much nicer, lots of communal feeling and people out to have a good thumpy time without leaving casualties. Interesting contrast. I'm seeing Patty Griffin tonight here in New York--as you know from other lists. (Got your off-list message, and will try to deliver it.) Assuming there are still tickets, I've been lazy about getting down to the Bottom Line in advance. Ciao - Linus - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Linus Gelber linus@panix.com Brooklyn, N.Y.C. - -o-<< WASTE cyrano@nycbeer.org Peripheral Visionary - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:48:39 EDT Subject: Angry Johnny cd single >From: "Lawrence J. Kim" >Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 11:47:20 -0500 (CDT) >Subject: CD Single >I know there is a CD single of "Angry Johnny" out there. If you know >where I can get one--or if you have an extra copy--please please mail >me!! Thanks very much. >Lawrence >http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/poe.html lawrence- yes, there is a cd single, promo only i'm afraid... here is the info: "Angry Johnny" Modern/Atlantic PRCD 6819 1. "Angry Johnny" (album version - 4:19) 2. "Angry Johnny" (band version - 4:58) 3. "Trigger Happy Jack" (drive by remix - 3:47) it is a typical generic promo, plain disc with black type (but, with poe logo!) back insert is black and white, no picture... no front insert, just black and white sticker with tour dates, again, no picture. the band version is excellent! was recorded with her touring band and produced by matt sorum. i got mine from an advertiser in "goldmine" magazine... but, for those who don't know where to find it, here is the info you need to get one: Brouhaha Compact Disc Collectibles 2168 S. Atlantic Blvd. #260 Monterey Park, CA 91754 phone: 213-721-4003 fax: 213-728-4373 email: BrouhahaCD@aol.com shipping is $3 1-2 discs, $0.50 each additional disc they take checks and money orders (checks must clear bank first) the price in the 10/11/96 issue #423 was $5.00 so, there you go... now everyone knows where to get one.... i don't think there will be a commercial release for this single... if there was going to be one, it would've already happened. later, rusty ------------------------------ From: ilmortal Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: YOUR PICTURE (fwd) Hey Guys, I don't know how you guys feel about internet and free speech, but I just received this message from the Christian coalition asking me to remove a picture of Poe from my sight! I find it to be pretty F**ked up to be told to take a picture off my sight. The picture in question is Poe giving the middle finger at Eden Fest 96. A very large concert that was in support of internet free speech. I will not be removing this picture, if you feel the need to express yourself direct all letters to the address below. I feel that if your children are going to be on the internet and you don't want them going to a certain page, watch them!!!!!!! Thanks, Bill Hopkins http://www.bluemoon.net/~ilmortal/poe.html The picture in question: http://www.bluemoon.net/~ilmortal/poepics.html select picture #15. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:51:07 -0700 From: MARILYN SOUCIE To: ilmortal@net.bluemoon.net Subject: YOUR PICTURE I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED WHEN I SAW THE PICTURE OF YOU SITTING ON A CHAIR WITH YOUR MIDDLE FINGER UP. WHAT IF A YOUNG CHILD SAW THAT. PLEASE READ THIS:WHEN OUR EYES ARE TURNED INWARD INSTEAD OF UPWARD, WE SUFFER FROM SPIRITUAL NEARSIGHTEDNESS. "PEACE I LEAVE YOU, MY PEACE I GIVE UNTO YOU; NOT AS THE WORLD GIVETH, GIVE I UNTO YOU. LET YOUR HEART NOT BE TROUBLED, NEITHER LET IT BE AFRAID: (JOHN 14:27) MAKE A SONG WITH THAT STATEMENT IN IT AND GOD WILL GLORIFY YOU. ------------------------------ From: "J.Beadle" Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:34:07 -0700 Subject: Re: YOUR PICTURE (fwd) ilmortal wrote: > > Hey Guys, > > I don't know how you guys feel about internet and free speech, but I just > received this message from the Christian coalition asking me to remove > a picture of Poe from my sight! I find it to be pretty F**ked up to be > told to take a picture off my sight. The picture in question is Poe giving > the middle finger at Eden Fest 96. A very large concert that was in > support of internet free speech. I will not be removing this picture, if > you feel the need to express yourself direct all letters to the address > below. I feel that if your children are going to be on the internet and > you don't want them going to a certain page, watch them!!!!!!! > > Thanks, > Bill Hopkins > http://www.bluemoon.net/~ilmortal/poe.html > > The picture in question: http://www.bluemoon.net/~ilmortal/poepics.html > select picture #15. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:51:07 -0700 > From: MARILYN SOUCIE > To: ilmortal@net.bluemoon.net > Subject: YOUR PICTURE > > I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED WHEN I SAW THE PICTURE OF YOU SITTING ON A CHAIR > WITH YOUR MIDDLE FINGER UP. WHAT IF A YOUNG CHILD SAW THAT. > > PLEASE READ THIS:WHEN OUR EYES ARE TURNED INWARD INSTEAD OF UPWARD, WE > SUFFER FROM SPIRITUAL NEARSIGHTEDNESS. > > "PEACE I LEAVE YOU, MY PEACE I GIVE UNTO YOU; NOT AS THE WORLD GIVETH, > GIVE I UNTO YOU. LET YOUR HEART NOT BE TROUBLED, NEITHER LET IT BE > AFRAID: (JOHN 14:27) MAKE A SONG WITH THAT STATEMENT IN IT AND GOD WILL > GLORIFY YOU. First off, Hi everyone! I'm new to the list. 2nd, I totally believe in free speech and no one has the right to tell you to remove anything from the net unless it's illeagal (Copyrights e.t.c) or your server tells you to. 3rd, I don't think it's as much as parents should watch their kids, you can't blame them for the immaturity of their unsurpervised children. Are all you adults going to tell me that your parents were perfect and could watch everything you did? But I think only people with enough good judgment should be allowed to browse the net. I myself, being a teen, love the free speech of the net. But there are some things I draw the line on for myself. I have some profanity on my home page, but not because I call it "Cool" or anything, it's expressing myself through the lyrics of another artist I like, Alanis Morissette. My parents are fine with almost any music I listen to, but they (My mom mainly) were a little against Poe when I rushed out and bought the CD after hearing "Angry Johnny", they didn't like the song (my dad does though), and thought it had no meaning. I don't know, maybe it does. But I like her music, and there were a couple songs that had a lot of meaning. When I told my parents of her Bio, they changed their tune a bit. As of now, I wait for the final words on free speech, if there ever is an end to the battle, and I keep expressing myself to adults and teens on the net through my music and thoughts. Sorry if you don't like that this message didn't discuss Poe that much, but usually when I see anything of free speech, I make a statement. "Music and writing move the world" - -Landon Beadle http://www.execpc.com/~jbeadle ------------------------------ From: ponine@bga.com (walking into spiderwebs) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:31:18 -0500 Subject: Re: YOUR PICTURE (fwd) >I don't know how you guys feel about internet and free speech, but I just >received this message from the Christian coalition asking me to remove >a picture of Poe from my sight! I find it to be pretty F**ked up to be >told to take a picture off my sight. The picture in question is Poe giving >the middle finger at Eden Fest 96. That has gotta be the saddest thing I've ever heard! Like any children know who Poe is and are all searching for pictures of her! And like kids don't know what the middle finger means anyway.....god I hate people who try and control everyone else...sad, sad, sad... Melissa :-[ ponine@bga.com, http://www.realtime.net/~ponine, Ponine on IRC "So let the sadness come again, on that you can depend on me, until the bitter, bitter end of the world, when god sleeps in bliss..."--William P. Corgan, Jr. "Water the music, plant the seeds in the pot, music's the life flowing through is it not? Don't forget your roots but also don't rot, move on...."--No Doubt ------------------------------ From: jenn@shd.com (Jenny Gessel of SHD - Smith/Harrison) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:40:25 +0000 Subject: Re: YOUR PICTURE (fwd) Personally, I'd really like to know how this person found the Poe page anyway. It doesn't really seem like her type of music. Thus leading me to think that she was looking for things she considered "dirty" or "obscene" so that she could write to the people that posted them and impose her "morals" upon them. So who's the sick person here... ------------------------------ From: ilmortal Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: YOUR PICTURE (fwd) Hey Guys, I know most of you from my page, http://www.bluemoon.net/~ilmortal/poe.html. If you need any new info, interviews, or news, check out the page. You can also check the other cool pages under my fan links page. Take care, William Hopkins ------------------------------ From: ilmortal Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Poe tour dates.... Hey guys, for those of you interested I have more tour dates for all of you....If you don't already know that is!!!!! 10/16/96 Boulder, CO Fox Theatre 10/17/96 Salt Lake City, UT X-96 Radio Show 10/19/96 Las Vegas, NV Oasis In The Desert Festival 10/20/96 Tucson, AZ The Rock 10/22/96 Phoenix, AZ Gibsons 10/23/96 San Diego, CA Hurricanes 10/24/96 Santa Ana, CA Galaxy Theatre 10/25/96 Ventura, CA Ventura Theatre 10/27/96 Los Angeles, CA Roxy 10/28/96 Los Angeles, CA Roxy 11/04/96 San Fran, CA Bimbos 11/06/96 Portland, WA La Luna or Roseland 11/07/96 Seattle, WA Rock Candy 11/08/96 Vancouver, TB Take Care, Bill Hopkins http://www.bluemoon.net/~ilmortal/poe.html ------------------------------ From: "Anthony Amato" Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:23:57 -0500 Subject: Poe in Details Poe is in the current issue of Details (November 1996 w/ Jenny McCarthy on cover). Its features a one page Q&A type interview. Amato AA@worldnet.att.net AAmato@juno.com ------------------------------ From: JESSMAYS@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:47:18 -0400 Subject: Hello all you angry - psychos Hi, I just thought i'd introduce myself and get the ball rolling.... Hi, I'm Jessica, I live in Austin, TX I've seen POE twice in concert, she is definately one of my favorite artists, and definately my favorite "new" artist.... One of my most prized possessions, is Poe's glittery purple bracelet that i never take off..... - -jessica questions? comments? next? ------------------------------ From: "Bill Hopkins and Tim Dube" Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 21:11:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Hello all you angry - psychos Hi Everyone, I have made my presence know somewhat to all of you. But have not introduced myself fully. Let me start with I have strong beliefs in free speech, both on the internet and in everyday life. I am 19, my birthday is 10/21/76. I have seen Poe 3 times now and counting. These 3 times include EdenFest 96, and two shows in Buffalo, Ny. One being at Showplace Theater-My first experience meeting Poe and the other at EdgeFest 96. I love skateboarding, going to shows, and hearing from Poe. I am in a band myself called, Self Sharpening Paisleys, a local Buffalo band. I have many web pages and am planing on expanding. Well that is me....any guestions? Take care, Bill Hopkins(ilmortal) http://www.bluemoon.net/~ilmortal/poe.html http://www.bluemoon.net/~ilmortal/pet.html - ---------- > From: JESSMAYS@aol.com > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Hello all you angry - psychos > Date: Tuesday, October 15, 1996 8:47 PM > > Hi, I just thought i'd introduce myself and get the ball rolling.... Hi, I'm > Jessica, I live in Austin, TX I've seen POE twice in concert, she is > definately one of my favorite artists, and definately my favorite "new" > artist.... One of my most prized possessions, is Poe's glittery purple > bracelet that i never take off..... > > -jessica > questions? comments? next? ------------------------------ From: "Anthony Amato" Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 23:14:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Hello all you angry - psychos Hi Everyone, Some of you may know me and others may not, anyways here is a short intro. My name is Anthony Amato, I am 22, my birthday is on 10/20/73; I'm from Brooklyn, NY. With the help and use of Jeff Wasiko (thank you) server I have setup the Angry-Psychos mailing list (thanks also go out to Bill Hopkins and Crunch). I have been to one Poe concert on October 1, 1996, where I met and hung out with Poe. I'm currently employed as an accountant for a CPA firm. Some other artists I listen to are: Jewel (I was at JewelStock), Tori Amos, Milla, Sarah McLachlan, Leah Andreone, Fiona Apple and Alanis Morissette. Let me know what you think and also please make any suggestion you like about the list (since I'm new at running a mailing list). Hope to hear from some of you. Bye for now. Amato AA@worldnet.att.net AAmato@juno.com ------------------------------ From: telliamed@juno.com (Pat Brown) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 21:53:26 EST Subject: Re: YOUR PICTURE (fwd) On Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:53:14 -0400 (EDT) ilmortal writes: > >received this message from the Christian coalition asking me to remove they're crusading on the internet now? Lovely.... >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: MARILYN SOUCIE > >I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED WHEN I SAW THE PICTURE OF YOU SITTING ON A >CHAIR >WITH YOUR MIDDLE FINGER UP. WHAT IF A YOUNG CHILD SAW THAT. > All caps, they thought that was you, telling you what to do to win god's favor.... We can just file this one under "clueless idiots" (more commonly refered to as "trash"). You should forward this to Poe, if at all possible. It was obviously meant for her and I'm sure she'd really appreciate it. ;-) - ----- telliamed@juno.com ### All opinions expressed are yours. You have only yourself to blame. ### ------------------------------ From: Crunch Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 00:33:59 -0400 Subject: Re: YOUR PICTURE =) Hi all!!!! =) Obviously such a letter is going to (and, indirectly, meant to) make many of us angry. So, I plead with everyone to temper their replies. Yes, yes- this Marilyn Soucie is apparently internet-ignorant and narrow-minded (read her second paragraph!), so lets try to show her that this kind of solicitation is just a little to naive to be intelligent. =) PLEASE, everyone reply to that letter (to the address: ). But write your letters intelligently and with resolve, in order to try to gently show her the error of her ways. I will post my letter when I finish it, but that will prob- ably be a few days (to make sure I'm not being hot-headed in my reply). Points I plan to touch on are: -- It is the responsibility of the parent to monitor their own children, no one elses. This applies to all forms of media: TV, radio, movies, books, friends. For the parent to expect others to temper their expression so that she can be lax in her responsibilty is negligent. -- Why was she looking through the internet for offensive material (in her opinion)? There are more worthwhile expen- ditures for her time. It looks like her eyes are turned downward! =) See? Obviously, I am no condition at the moment to compose a sensible, level headed letter and so I will let it cool for a few days. BUT, it is important to respond. These folks need to know in fair manner that their unsolicited letter is as offensive to us as that picture was to her. =) Thank you for letting me blow steam. I feel better. =) BTW, to those of you who don't know me from EDA or noticed me lurking on Ecto: Hi! I'm Crunch! ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 00:23:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: poe vid Hi, A while back the PBS tv station I work for had Poe on a teen kid-vid prog, "Club Connect". They investigated the music business and followed un-known Poe to the studio to tape the vox and cello-only promo Trigger Happy Jack. They had part of the session and some of the teener interview w/ her. I have a slp/ep vhs mono recording about 4 min long. Completists who want to send me vid tape and round-trip matter-mail postage can cop a copy. KrW It was the least I could do! And never let it be said that I didn't do the least I could do. ------------------------------ From: "Rebecca L. Clark" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 01:26:22 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Finger] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------2C0D4D8A1AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wrote to that Christian Coalition witch, and I told her in a very polite, yet effective letter that if she thought that kids did not see that kind of thing in their homes, at school, or at any playground in the world, she needed a reality check, I never, never made any comment that I thought the middle finger was okay, all i said was that if she thought by taking that picture off the net, that kids wouldn't be exposed to that sort of thing, she was insane, and obviously ignorant. And this woman had the gall to call me MAM?!? what kind of a word is MAM? And punctuation? Hello?!? Is anyone home? If she was trying to seem intelligent, she failed. Of course I don't always use correct punctuation in email, but I was very careful to proofread my response to her, because I wanted to seem like an intelligent person, not some hick, Christian radical who feels it is their responsibility to silence our collective voices. If she wants censorship, she can move out of the country, because we are here to stay and we are willing to stand by our Constitution no matter what! "Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely" - -becky P.S. I don't have a problem with the middle finger, I think there are a lot more important issues in the world to tackle than middle fingers! There are rapists and drug dealers running rampant, and this crazy witch is telling us we are evil for something her "GOD" gave us naturally? Who's the evil one? Us? I think not! - --------------2C0D4D8A1AA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from s1.drc.com by oak.cats.ohiou.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/03Feb95-1128AM) id AA31585; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:55:48 -0400 From: Received: by S1.DRC.COM; Tue, 15 Oct 96 16:56:15 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 16:55:14 EDT Message-Id: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: Subject: re:Finger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MAM I THINK YOU NEED A REALITY CHECK. I KNOW WHAT I DON'T WANT MY CHILDREN TO SEE. IT'S SAD THAT YOU CAN JUSTIFY IT. - --------------2C0D4D8A1AA0-- ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V1 #6 *********************************