From: owner-angry-psychos-digest To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V1 #10 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, 19 October 1996 Volume 01 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- My homepages Re: Some people are just stupid. Re: This is ridiculous Re: Fandom insanity my home page Re: This is ridiculous Re: New Poe Fan Re: angry-psychos-digest V1 #9 another poe fan's intro fans, old and new how true The angry digest (#9) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: madhattr@cobweb.net Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:39:24 -0700 Subject: My homepages Check out my 2 homepages http://members.tripod.com/~mdhttr/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Paris/3407/ You can get a free homepage with both of them. ------------------------------ From: Thuan C Tran Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Some people are just stupid. First off, I can send you "flames" if I want. You're the one that put "Questions or Comments?" at the end of your mail. My original message was not meant to be hostile, as you have so obviously taken it to be, and neither will this one. Unlike yourself, I will not reduce myself to profanity and insults. This mailing list is an open forum for intelligent discussion; so here's my rebuttal. I concede that you never used the phrase "true POE fan" in your original email, but you did state that you say to people, "You call yourself a POE fan? I've been a POE fan so much longer than you." This does indeed sound like you think the other person is less of a POE fan than you are because you seem to equate the quality of fandom to the duration or timing of that fandom. The longer you are a fan, the better fan you are. Yes, you didn't use the phrase "true POE fan," but you did convey the same idea. Also, in my original message I talked about the relationship between popularity and music: the ridiculous idea nowadays that music seems bad if it is popular and that fans aren't "good" fans if they didn't hear of a performer until that performer was popular. From your response to my message, it sounds as if you do subscribe to this school of thought. You said, "there's a feeling of coolness associated w/groups that aren't popular." Saying something is cool because it is unpopular is just as bad as the mainstream people who like music just because it is popular. And finally, I also find it ammusing that you use the words "FUCK" and "ass" in one part of your email and then proceeded to censor yourself later on in the same email. Also funny is that you say "Geez, I'm not even a really old fan," when in your original message you said "I've been a fan so much longer than you." But these are only funny contradictions. So there's my response. Don't take it too personally and please respond at your leisure. On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, Bashir Eustache wrote: > On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, Thuan C Tran wrote: > > > Who are you or who are any of us to say that we are the only "true" Poe > > fans. What constitutes a true Poe fan? Is it just timing? Does it make > > someone less of a fan because he/she didn't hear of Poe until she got > > more airplay? > > > 1. I never even USED the term TRUE POE FAN. > 2. I never said other people are LESS valuable fans. I said that "it's > a loss LESS intense when you know everyone likes her." There's a feeling > of coolness associated w/ groups who aren't very popular. > > > > Why would it? So someone didn't hear of her til she got > > popular. That's how the system works: you get popular, your music gets > > played, people hear it and people like it. Just because someone heard of > > the music later than you did, it doesn't mean that person enjoys or > > appreciates Poe and her music any less than you do. There's no > > expiration date on music. > > > What the FUCK are you talking about? It looks to me like you picked out > a few choice words from my email and decided that you got "the gist" and > that you could precede to flame me. > > > > Besides, claiming so sanctimoniously that you > > are a true fan and others are not makes you the kind of elitist that Poe > > herself does not like. A fan is a fan is a fan, no matter when that fan > > became one. > > > Are you pulling this all out of your ass? I > double-fricking-dog(children could see this y'know) dare you to find a > place where I claimed to be a better fan, a true fan, a real fan. Geez, > I'm not even a really old fan. In my email I SAID I miss the feeling of > ownership that goes along w/ being one of the few fans. That doesn't > mean that I'm not happy for Poe, happy for you for discovering POE and > happy for the radiostations for finding something new to overplay. > > > > I didn't really like Poe until I heard "Angry Johnny," which was released > > well after "Hello" debuted. Does it mean I didn't like her until she > > became popular and that I only like her because she is popular? No, it > > just means I thought that "Angry Johnny" was a really, really, really > > great song and that "Trigger Happy Jack" isn't as good; so I didn't buy > > the album until I heard "Angry Johnny." Now, I love "Hello" and I love > > Poe, no matter how long the album had been out before I bought it. > > > Thanks for the info. Everythings so much clearer now. Before I thought > you were a blithering idiot with nothing to do w/ your time, but send > flames to people who didn't even disagree w/ you. > > > > Furthermore and finally, Poe isn't as popular as you may think. Most > > people I talk to may have heard one of her songs, but few of them have > > any idea who Poe is. But what does popularity have to do with the > > quality of music, anyway? > > Oh. > > Keep the crappy flames out of my box until you get something poignant to > say, > Bashir > > BTW, Trigger happy jack is better than Angry Johnny. > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Bashir Eustache wrote: > > > > > When I first became interested in POE, she wasn't exactly huge around > > > here. 99x(Atlanta radio station) played Trigger Happy Jack from time to > > > time, but there weren't many requests and she wasn't all that big. I > > > loved her music. In her newfound popularity, I've received even more > > > insight into the world of Fandom. > > > > > > Poe still rocks. I still love her music, but it's a lot LESS intense > > > when you know that EVERYONE likes her. I'm struggling desperately not to > > > become one of those insane fans who write "You call yourself a POE fan? > > > I've been a POE fan for SO MUCH LONGER THAN YOU!" > > > > > > So here I am, stuck b/w the desire to have POE all to myself and wanting > > > her to be a success. Of course, I'm happy for her and I still love her > > > music(I don't listen to Angry Johnny anymore tho). > > > > > > Any commments? > > > Bashir Eustache > > > http://www.duke.edu/~bee2 > > > > > > Post scriptum: I did an online interview w/ Poe a couple of months ago. > > > It's pretty cool and I'll send it when my computer gets fixed(unless I > > > never get my HD up). > > > Bashir again > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Thuan C Tran Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: This is ridiculous Tricia is right. I was just saying what I thought, but I'll limit my messages from now on to stuff about POE. We all are POE fans, anyway. - -Thuan On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, Tricia Ondrako wrote: > > I can't believe that we are arguing. I think it's quite ridiculous. > I love Poe, and I can identify with both sides of this debate. On the other hand, isn't this a Poe fan club. People wouldn't join if they didn't like her music, whether it be "popular" or not. Why can't we all just get along, and enjoy Poe's music. --Tricia > > ------------------------------ From: Thuan C Tran Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Fandom insanity If you haven't seen her live, you must at the first opportunity. She is one the best live performers out there because she is energetic and charismatic. From the way she runs around the stage to the way she crowd surfs, you know she really enjoys performing and that she really loves her fans. On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, Gilbert, Paul ('98) wrote: > > I'm not saying anyone isn't a true fan. I've never seen her live. Some > people would say that therefore I am not a true fan. I don't buy that, and > don't want to put it on anyone else. That's bullshit. I'm not an elitist, > and sorry if I sounded like one. > > > ---------- > From: owner-angry-psychos > To: Thuan C Tran; Bashir Eustache > Cc: angry-psychos > Subject: Re: Fandom insanity > Date: Friday, October 18, 1996 12:36PM > > Right on bro!! I used to get the same criticisms about nirvana and > all my friends told me that I listened to it 'cause curt died and that I > wasn't a true fan. Is it my fault that I don't live in seattle? I still > listen to nirvana every signle day and still love the music even if it's > the same song every day. I think that Thuan is right on the money: a fan > is a fan is a fan. Let's just enjoy Poe's music and not worry about petty > things such as "true fans." > > > ------------------------------ From: alaniscantnot@juno.com (Dustin V Shelby) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:54:17 EDT Subject: my home page come see my updated home (http://members.aol.com/DustinPage/DustinsHomePage.html) If you have any suggestions e-mail me @ DustinPage@aol.com ------------------------------ From: ilmortal Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: This is ridiculous This whole True Fan arguement is total bullshit, who's to say if I am a true fan: lets say all this never happened- i have a fan page, I met poe 2 times, seen 3 times, got a kiss when I met her, she emails me, may be doing a show with her, I have her home #, and her # at Modern Records. What the fuck makes me any better. I like Poe a lot, and this is not what she would have wanted to come from this mailing list. She is getting popular, and that is cool. If you think about even Twisted Sister was popular at one time. Just like all music, music is a even changing profession. One day if we keep complaining that some one likes one song but hates another, the popularity will die. With the music industry the way it is this would cost Poe more money than it's worth. Thus no one would be a "True Fan" Anymore!!! So let's stop labeling and start accepting that people like certain music. Music should be appealing to the ear..and at #3 in the bilboard music cahrts Poe is that is a fact..... Thanks, Bill Hopkins http://www.bluemoon.net/~ilmortal/poe.html ------------------------------ From: "J.Beadle" Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:16:17 -0700 Subject: Re: New Poe Fan madhattr@cobweb.net wrote: > I never seen Poe in concert before, but I've > been a poe fan since I saw an ad for her debut > Cd in request magazine. How do you become a POE fan by seeing a picture of her CD? - -Landon ------------------------------ From: Linus Gelber Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 19:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V1 #9 > From: agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby) > Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:29:32 EDT > Subject: In Concert - New Rock > > in concert - new rock is a nationally syndicated radio show. it is on > once a week, normally on a fri. or sat. night.... the westwood one radio > network produces them. the shows are taped with all permission from all > people who need permission to be gotten from (etc. etc.)... they release > cd's of the show to the radio stations who air the show... works just > like a promo cd single.. i found a copy of the show that poe did in the > magazine "goldmine" (record collecting magazine).. i am ordering it this > week. the entire cd is her.... the purpose of the > tape tree is so that anyone on this list who wants to hear it, can, and > won't have to spend $25 to get a copy of it.... if anyone is interested > in this idea, let me know. Rusty, great idea. I'd be happy to branch on this tree. Thanks for your generosity. Um, this list has only been up here, what, a week or so. Can we not holler at each other, please? It's not very interesting. Ciao - Linus - Arguably not a "true" Poe fan, just a fan of good music - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Linus Gelber linus@panix.com Brooklyn, N.Y.C. - -o-<< WASTE cyrano@nycbeer.org Peripheral Visionary - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:01:59 EDT Subject: another poe fan's intro alright.... so i have a few minutes.... so i will join the on going thread of introducing ourselves to the list... how many people are on thislist now anyway? (need to know for my tape tree project)... ok.. so the story goes... i live in atlanta... saw poe on that PBS show "in the mix" (the one where they followed the them un-known poe to a radio station for an interview and to record the acoustic version of "trigger happy jack").. i had her name somewhere before and i liked what i heard, so i went down to my friendly tower records to pick up the cd single ("that day" blew my mind!)...then, like 2 days later i was listening to the radio (our nifty alterna-rock station here in atlanta is 99X) and about 4pm they said "if anybody wants to go to the poe "live x" call me now!" (a "live x" is a 30min -most of the time acoustic- show recorded here in atlanta for 99x at a local recording studio then aired later that week - the live studio audience is made up of callers who want to go and only about 30-40 people get to attend)..so, i called, got through, and went! it was amazing! i also photographed this little event (the pictures will soon be up on Sam Husselman's web page).. got to meet her afterwards... we took pictures, she signed stuff, some guy had her record his answering machine message (poe rules!)...etc... this time through atlanta was just a pit stop to record the show, no concert schedualed....that was my first poe experience. next, she played at this huge out-door festival called "music midtown"...blockbuster music was a sponcer (by the way, i work there) and she did an autograph singing at our tent that night after her show... since i was working there, my job was to stand next to her for the 2 hours she signed autographs since we didn't have any official secruity people!... she remembered me! (and she signed some of the pictures i took of her at the "live x")..next she played the radio station festival for 99x just last month.. short set (only like 45 min...didn't even play "trigger.."!).. she did a signing after that in the rain for 3 hours! i saw her then too and she rememebered me...again! she took my picture i had in my wallet (to show all of my firends how cool i really am) of her and i ! nifty! ok, so this is really long now and i'm sure i have bored you all to death. my name is rusty. i'm 18 (DOB 10/23/78...well, close enough!).. i also listen to tori amos, heather nova, joan osborne.... basically female alterna-rockers....that's all. - -rusty ------------------------------ From: Lehmann Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 22:31:22 -0500 Subject: fans, old and new i don't agree with ppl who say that because they have been listening to = poe longer than others means they are better fans, and they have more = right to be fans. that is a stupid and bad attitude. i have been a poe = fan for as long as i ever heard anything by her, but i never have. i live in south dakota, land of boring radio where they never stray = from the daily guidelines of 'macarana' , hootie and the blowfish, and = alanis morrisette, all bands i am sick of. my favorite bands (tori = amos, liz phair, letters to cleo, bjork) never get played at all--so i = have started to buy CDs that just look interesting. this is how i got to = know POE : i saw the cd advertised in BMG and she was compared to Liz = Phair, so i bought it. just becuase i got the cd later than most ppl doesn't mean that i do = not belong to the 'elite' group of poe fans. i consider myself and all = other fans ranking up there among those of you who think you are the = best. and its true, she is not as popular as you all think. i have never in = my life met, face to face, a person who had ever heard of her. i mean = heard of AND heard as well--she is not exactly a radio favorite around = here. so, to those of you who feel downtrodden by these longterm fans, i = feel for you, you have every right that they do. love to all fans, old and new CJ (lehmann@bmtc.net) ------------------------------ From: Lehmann Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 22:53:39 -0500 Subject: how true this is so scary but true: >>come february 26, 1997 - let's hope that the "macarena" does not win a >>grammy. >>it would be an embassarsment for this entire country. --rusty m. shelby my god, that song is proof of the downfall of modern civilization one more thing : please lets stop arguing. Ima poefan, Ura poefan, lets = be happy, 'kay? just cus i'm younger than you doesn't mean you can be = better than me. (bum bada bum bada bada macarana bada bum bada bum badabada cosavuena = bum bada bum bada bada macarana, hey macarana aieeee) left arm right arm left hand to right shoulder right hand to left = shoulder left hand to head right hand to head left hand to right hip = right hand to left him, left hand to ass right hand to ass shake our ass = and clap your hands yeah you know it. :-P icky ------------------------------ From: agentorange2@juno.com (Rusty M Shelby) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:48:16 EDT Subject: The angry digest (#9) >From: Tricia Ondrako >Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:48:30 -0400 >Subject: This is ridiculous >I can't believe that we are arguing. I think it's quite ridiculous. >I love Poe, and I can identify with both sides of this debate. On the = >other hand, isn't this a Poe fan club. People wouldn't join if they = >didn't like her music, whether it be "popular" or not. Why can't we all = >just get along, and enjoy Poe's music. --Tricia >------------------------------ thank you tricia! i was very excited to get home tonight and see a new poe digest... then i read it... i was not happy. my brother was the guy who did the orginal list run by hand (poemailinglist@juno.com, not defunct)... when he decided he could not do it by hand, Anthony Amato came to the rescue and developed it with majordomo and some help from a friend( i believe that's how the story goes).. and i am extemely grateful to him for doing so! poe needed a list... as you can see there are enough of us out there! poe would be proud! but, now i see all of this arguing.. poe would not be proud! this argung could have been done privately. i know it may not seem like it to you guys who are not on the digest, but 8 out of the 13 messages to the list were you 2 arguing.... this is not a sermon on online manners.. just a nice slap accross the face to say.. PLEASE STOP THIS! [also notice how i did not "include orginal message" in this reply...that was on the digest atleast 4 seperate times!] that's all. thank you. - -rusty - ----------------------------------------------------------------- JOAN OSBORNE "The Early Recordings", US release date: 11/5/96! POE "In Concert - New Rock" tape tree to begin soon. (check with the Poe list for info.) SHERYL CROW on David Letterman 10/22/96, US tour begins 1/96 - -rusty (agentorange2@juno.com) ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V1 #10 **********************************