From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V14 #15908 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, April 16 2025 Volume 14 : Number 15908 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Act Fast â Limited-Time Savings on Roof Replacements! ["Roof Replacement ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 12:24:34 -0500 From: "Roof Replacement USA Ad" Subject: Act Fast â Limited-Time Savings on Roof Replacements! Act Fast b Limited-Time Savings on Roof Replacements! http://neotonic.ru.com/ZLCHRVN5E7jMZXkHTlZGpIKke2HqPh7WSin2e51YMRg4UBXK http://neotonic.ru.com/-Wt7qjeoRBLORdh0dLq2x_FgEOXcB3BAnVHEylvaZB5NoVn6 ast some ultimates are intrinsically experience-involving. They must at least embrace micropsychism. Given that everything concrete is physical, and that everything physical is constituted out of physical ultimates, and that experience is part of concrete reality, it seems the only reasonable position, more than just an 'inference to the best explanation'... Micropsychism is not yet panpsychism, for as things stand realistic physicalists can conjecture that only some types of ultimates are intrinsically experiential. But they must allow that panpsychism may be true, and the big step has already been taken with micropsychism, the admission that at least some ultimates must be experiential. 'And were the inmost essence of things laid open to us' I think that the idea that some but not all physical ultimates are experiential would look like the idea that some but not all physical ultimates are spatio-temporal (on the assumption that spacetime is indeed a fundamental feature of reality). I would bet a lot against there being such radical heterogeneity at the very bottom of things. In fact (to disagree with my earlier self) it is hard to see why this view would not count as a form of dualism... So now I can say that physicalism, i.e. real physicalism, entails panexperientialism or panpsychism. All physical stuff is energy, in one form or another, and all energy, I trow, is an experience-involving phenomenon. This sounded crazy to me for a long time, but I am quite used to it, now that I know that there is no alternative short of 'substance dualism'... Real physicalism, realistic physicalism, entails panpsychism, and whatever problems are raised by this fact are problems a real physicalist mus ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V14 #15908 ***********************************************