From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V7 #48 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, February 25 2003 Volume 07 : Number 048 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [none] [ammf ] Re: Frucon Reminder...Old FruCon Shirts [zone5@home.com (Brent Miller)] *****SPAM***** adv: Make money with your own Internet store ["GES" ] Re: Fed Up With Fruvous [billyd525@aol.com (BillyD525)] exit52 ["exit52" ] *****SPAM***** Prescription Drugs, discount prices 30100459 [pharmacy@opt] *****SPAM***** Government Grants & Loans - Get the money you need NOW!! Special Offer for ammf [] Re: Fed Up With Fruvous ["A.J. LoCicero" ] *****SPAM***** Tis the season.. 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The designs are posted at: http://home.attbi.com/~zone5/music.html Thanks, Brent and Mar ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 2003 00:15:22 -0000 From: "GES" Subject: *****SPAM***** adv: Make money with your own Internet store [TABLE NOT SHOWN][TABLE NOT SHOWN] ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 2003 12:56:53 -0800 From: seasonsuite@hotmail.com (Jason) Subject: Fed Up With Fruvous I still check this newsgroup every few days to see if there are any worthwhile messages that may be of some interest. While there are a few, mostly the group has been overtaken by spam. It's a sad state of affairs and is somehow so symbolic about the whole State Of Fruvous overall. I'm not an insider. While I have attended tons of Fruvous shows, I'm more of an introvert and haven't joined the wonderful Fruheads. So all I know is what I read here, or on Fruvous.com or on Jian's website. And all I know is that Fruvous's large fanbase that they worked so hard to create has seemingly fallen to shit. I could write pages and pages on this, but all I know is that Fruvous worked VERY hard to get a strong fanbase- touting that they were a grassroots band and that it was important for the FANS to get the word out. They gave an impression that they were normal people whom their fans could talk to - and they could. I remember quite a few shows where I was able to have some nice chats with the boys afterwards. But now it seems like they have forgotten completely about this fanbase altogether. Because other than that one song - Huge On The Luge - we have gotten NO word from any of the guys as to what's going on. I'm not saying that Fruvous should get back together. I think that's a decision that's completely up to them and I don't think they owe it to us to get back together or to record new music. But what I DO think they owe us, after years of traveling, word-of-mouth and dedication, is just some INFORMATION. You're getting back together? Great. You're not getting back together? Okay. You're in-the-middle and just not sure yet? Okay. The band is 50/50 on what to do next? Fine. There's 0% chance they'll get back together, there's 30% chance, there's 99% chance, those are all okay answers. But dammit, throw your fans a BONE here. It may be spoken about in behind-the-scenes circles as to why they wanted to take a break, but I know *I'm* not privvy to those conversations and I'm sure a lot of the people who showed up to their local show whenever the band was in town aren't either. I'd like to know that the band feels they can be honest with their fans. The Fruvous Faithful deserve better. *I* deserve better. I stuck with you for years. I missed exams (or at least didn't study) so I could be at your concerts. I drove 250 miles in a snowstorm, twice, to see you. I told my friends, I traded your live music, I had singalongs...hell, I convinced my father, my mother and my (then) 10 year old brother to come see you. It was his first concert (he wondered what that funny smoky smell was) and he'll never forget it. And you know what? I'm on the low end of the spectrum. So many of you have done so much more than I have. I know because I've seen you at shows, I've read your postings, I've seen your pictures. And I think you deserve better also. So sorry for this rant, but today it just happened to really get to me. Jason ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 2003 06:24:19 -0800 From: seasonsuite@hotmail.com (Jason) Subject: Re: Fed Up With Fruvous lawrence solomon wrote in message news:<3e399d2b$1_4@news.teranews.com>... > why do they need to do this? they might not even know. So if they don't know, then fine - let your fans know that you haven't figured it out yet. At least give us something so we're not just completely in the dark. > it was above > and beyond enough that they specifically announced the hiatus - they > could have just done those shows and not announced any new ones for two > and a half years (or more). THAT would have been a really bad move, I agree. But I don't agree that we should be "thankful" specifically because they announced the hiatus. These guys worked for YEARS to create a symbiotic relationship with their fans. So it should all be up and done, no word, just like that? > besides, what difference does it make in your life if you know or not? > I would hope you have other interests, musical and otherwise, that you > don't need to sit around waiting for Fruvous. and even if you don't > currently, their existence or lack thereof should not prevent you from > seeking out other things. I certainly do. As do a lot of other Fruvous fans. I'm not sitting around waiting for them to get back together. But think about their grassroots methodology of getting fans. They encourage them to tell their friends (remember Jian saying this at the end of every show?). They established the Fruhead card and the Frumiles card to encourage people to become part of the Fruhead Faithful. And so I did, as did a lot of other people. And because of that, the guys and their music DID become meaningful in my life, and so it DOES make a difference in my life as to what they're doing. That's what they wanted when they worked so hard to establish their fanbase. They wanted me to care about where they were and what they were doing. And I think they cared about us too. It was a two-sided relationship that is coming dangerously close to fizzling out. > but who says we were required to do that? we did it then expecting to > see entertaining shows at the time. we didn't do it for any sort of > future payback. I don't expect any "payback" other than a respect of their fans that have given as much as they could, in order to equal what they gave to us. Like I said - I don't expect them to record new music. If they never record again, that's fine. But what do they gain by just not saying anything at all? They don't need to commit to a timeframe or anything ridiculous like that. Just let your fans know that you know they're out there, that you're thinking about them, and that you haven't forgotten about them. Being honest with your fans gains you a wealth of respect. In a way, they're creating a whole new problem for themselves. Fruvous attracted a large college fanbase, yes? Not all fans are Fruheads - a lot were just people that made it a point to see them whenever they came to their college (or local town). A lot of those people have left college, perhaps moved on - and if Fruvous do decide to come back, they may find they need to move a number of steps backward in order to find their audience again. Even a word or two from the band could have made the rounds to the casual fans who just check fruvous.com and don't get involved in discussion groups or other fan websites. > you don't earn any more from introducing someone > to the band than the satisfaction of having that approval from your > friends of the music you like. I respectfully disagree. I don't care if they approve of what I listen to. By introducing people to the band, I knew that when the band came back to their respective towns, my friends would be there, not only to enjoy the music themselves but to support them morally and financially. The satisfaction from knowing that the few friends I introduced help to keep Fruvous afloat in that very small way is what I earn. I'm happy to see that this may be stirring some discussion in this ng. Thanks for contributing. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:03:43 -0500 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: Fed Up With Fruvous Jason wrote: > You're getting back together? Great. You're not getting back > together? Okay. You're in-the-middle and just not sure yet? Okay. > The band is 50/50 on what to do next? Fine. There's 0% chance > they'll get back together, there's 30% chance, there's 99% chance, > those are all okay answers. But dammit, throw your fans a BONE here. why do they need to do this? they might not even know. it was above and beyond enough that they specifically announced the hiatus - they could have just done those shows and not announced any new ones for two and a half years (or more). true, "hiatus" implies that they'll be coming back eventually, but I don't think they should be expected to explain themselves. besides, what difference does it make in your life if you know or not? I would hope you have other interests, musical and otherwise, that you don't need to sit around waiting for Fruvous. and even if you don't currently, their existence or lack thereof should not prevent you from seeking out other things. > The Fruvous Faithful deserve better. *I* deserve better. I stuck > with you for years. I missed exams (or at least didn't study) so I > could be at your concerts. I drove 250 miles in a snowstorm, twice, > to see you. I told my friends, I traded your live music, I had but who says we were required to do that? we did it then expecting to see entertaining shows at the time. we didn't do it for any sort of future payback. a show is just a show. a tape is a tape. a new fan is important to them, but you don't earn any more from introducing someone to the band than the satisfaction of having that approval from your friends of the music you like. yes, I made a lot of friends because of Fruvous. and you know what? I see them anyway. I go to 50 concerts a year - more than I ever did when Fruvous were touring. many of my friends go to the same concerts. hell, we even get together when there aren't concerts. we don't need Fruvous (or any band) now any more than they need us. and if they do feel like they need us, they'll let us know when they're ready. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 2003 23:59:32 GMT From: billyd525@aol.com (BillyD525) Subject: Re: Fed Up With Fruvous Jason- Thank you for saying exactly everything that I've been feeling, and saying it perfectly. It's like you've read my mind. I've only seen them about 40 times... but lets face it, thats still a pretty good number. I even got my ex-girlfriend to see them 10-15 times, and she didn't even like them that much... but still saw them way more times than she's ever seen any band she loves. I hope some info does pop up eventually. 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LoCicero" Subject: Re: Fed Up With Fruvous Jason, I think Lawrence is being a little reactionary with his whole "they don't owe you anything" stance (sorry Lawrence), :) But here's the deal: HOW exactly do you expect them to keep you informed? There really is no official source of news from the band since they stopped doing the Fruvous Quill. The band doesn't run Fruvous.com. Chris O'Malley does, and he clearly has other things to do because he hasn't updated it in like 7 months. He hasn't even posted the rest of the fruhead songs that he is supposed to be posting. Since Chris is a volunteer, there is really nothing we can do if he doesn't feel like working on the site. I frankly doubt that he's been in contact with any of the band members anyway, so I don't think there is anything that he could tell us anyway. As for this newsgroup, Jian was the only one who ever read it, and he stopped doing that years ago. So really, your request for more info here (while it is great that it jumpstarts the newsgroup a little) is really not likely to have any effect, because the band members will never see it. The band members are also not paying much attention to Fruvous themselves. They all have their own things going on, so I really doubt that keeping the "fanbase" informed ever crosses their minds. This would be something that a publicist should be doing, but since they are in limbo at the moment, they don't HAVE a publicist, again, who is going to do the informing, and how? Jason wrote: > Just let your fans know that you know they're out there, that you're > thinking about them, and that you haven't forgotten about them. > Being honest with your fans gains you a wealth of respect. They're not thinking about them. They are thinking about current stuff in their lives. They are not being dishonest in anyway. They just have nothing to say and no way to say it. > In a way, they're creating a whole new problem for themselves. > Fruvous attracted a large college fanbase, yes? Not all fans are > Fruheads - a lot were just people that made it a point to see them > whenever they came to their college (or local town). A lot of those > people have left college, perhaps moved on - and if Fruvous do decide > to come back, they may find they need to move a number of steps > backward in order to find their audience again. Even a word or two > from the band could have made the rounds to the casual fans who just > check fruvous.com and don't get involved in discussion groups or > other fan websites. I agree that should they come back, they are not going to come back to the fan base as it was. I have to think that they are smart enough to realize that as well. I don't see how putting out info would really help that situation though, and again, how are they supposed to get this info to these far flung fans? It isn't like they could just send a press release to college radio station, because as you said, a lot of people have moved on. I understand your frustration, I really do, but I honestly don't know what to tell you. The person you need to speak to about this is really Jian. I have no idea if he will respond to you or not, but I think your best bet is really to try contacting him through his website http://www.jian.ca. As for information about him, you can also subscribe to the weekly Play email that he writes for his tv show. That will at least let you know what He is up to. Thanks for posting to the newsgroup! A.J. LoCicero - -- "I think the American peopleI hope the AmericanI don't think, let meI hope the American people trust me." - --G.W. 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