From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V6 #129 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, June 3 2002 Volume 06 : Number 129 Today's Subjects: ----------------- January 2002 [lifeart ] Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... ["Todd Evans" ] Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... [Ross Hendry ] Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... [StarflashJ@aol.com] Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... [Ross Hendry ] Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... (fwd) [Lynne ] Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... ["Todd Evans" ] Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... ["@*_*@ Chris K" ] HotbotMon [tcocabot ] Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... [lawrence solomon ] Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... ["A.J. LoCicero" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 00:19:55 -0400 (EDT) From: lifeart Subject: January 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 07:42:16 GMT From: "Todd Evans" Subject: Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... Brent, I think this is an excellent question. I too have wondered why no one seems to be concerned that Fruvous is squandering the tremendous amount of momentum gained in the few years preceding the hiatus. My guess is that there have been no Fruvous releases during the hiatus because the money simply isn't there. Does anyone know if Fruvous still has a record deal? I know they put out "C" by themselves, but that kind of release takes $$$, and maybe without any touring revenue the money just isn't there. Does anybody else besides myself think that by now there should have been some kind of announcement from the band, their management or their web site about what their plans might be? How about a minor redesign of the web site? The web site wasn't even redesigned when "C" came out, and the design of that CD was wonderful. Any thoughts? Todd "Brent Miller" wrote in message news:a2558049.0206011122.277ec396@posting.google.com... > My question is... > "Why doesn't Fruvous put out a record during the hiatus?" > > I'm not talking about going into the studio and producing something > new-that would defeat the purpose of a hiatus. I'm talking about > remastering existing material for release. I would guess that that > would take minimal involvement by the band AND it would keep Moxy > Fruvous on the radio and sustain interest in the band during this long > break. > > I've got to think that a second live record would be the easiest thing > to do, followed by alternate/unused versions of songs, possibly an all > the Fruhead record or even live covers. Surely the vault must be full > of high quality live recording and out takes. > > Of course, this comes from the perspective of a working stiff-no work, > no money. But I would be up for a 2 year vacation if anyone's offering > to support me. > > Brent > > ______________ > Brent Miller > zone5@attbi.com > http://home.attbi.com/~zone5/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 11:43:31 +0100 From: Ross Hendry Subject: Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 20:22:57 +0100, Brent Miller wrote: > My question is... > "Why doesn't Fruvous put out a record during the hiatus?" > > The problem with putting out and "odds n sods" compilation or another live disc is that neither would probably sell very well. AFAIK, live albums traditionally only sell to quite hard core fans of the band in question (I don't have figures, I'm just sure I heard that somewhere) and it's quite obvious that only real fans are going to pick up a disc of alternate takes. It is surprising that they haven't done *something* by now, perhaps they're just enjoying not living within a few feet of each other all the time now! ;-) Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 08:53:04 EDT From: StarflashJ@aol.com Subject: Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... In a message dated 06/02/2002 7:02:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rwh@dcs.ed.ac.uk writes: << > "Why doesn't Fruvous put out a record during the hiatus?" >> Not to be a downer........... but are we sure that Fruvous is even going to be coming back? I think they're great and I will keep waiting but fans lose interest this way...... it feels like it's been a long time since we've heard anything from them as a group. Just wondering Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 14:12:44 +0100 From: Ross Hendry Subject: Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... On Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:53:04 +0100, StarflashJ wrote: > > Not to be a downer........... but are we sure that Fruvous is even going > to be coming back? I think they're great and I will keep waiting but > fans lose interest this way...... it feels like it's been a long time > since we've heard anything from them as a group. > > Just wondering > Jen > I don't you're being a downer, just looking at the situation logically. The lads presumably took a break because they were fed up with the current situation and wanted to try other things. Now that they've dipped their toes into other areas why would they want to go back to something that had ended up wearing them down? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see them re-emerge, better than ever but I suspect it'll take a while. Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:02:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Lynne Subject: Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... (fwd) There's a link to an article on jianghomeshi.com, explaining the very positive money management of the band. I don't think they are broke, they are just enjoying life... Hanging out with friends and family.... I think it's human nature - they'll get the bug and one of them will all of a sudden say "hey lets do a show" (which would be way less time consuming than a whole album.) (thats just my hope/opinion). I believe they are pretty busy having lives.... - -lynne - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 07:42:16 GMT From: Todd Evans To: ammf@fruvous.com Newsgroups: alt.music.moxy-fruvous Subject: Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... Brent, I think this is an excellent question. I too have wondered why no one seems to be concerned that Fruvous is squandering the tremendous amount of momentum gained in the few years preceding the hiatus. My guess is that there have been no Fruvous releases during the hiatus because the money simply isn't there. Does anyone know if Fruvous still has a record deal? I know they put out "C" by themselves, but that kind of release takes $$$, and maybe without any touring revenue the money just isn't there. Does anybody else besides myself think that by now there should have been some kind of announcement from the band, their management or their web site about what their plans might be? How about a minor redesign of the web site? The web site wasn't even redesigned when "C" came out, and the design of that CD was wonderful. Any thoughts? Todd "Brent Miller" wrote in message news:a2558049.0206011122.277ec396@posting.google.com... > My question is... > "Why doesn't Fruvous put out a record during the hiatus?" > > I'm not talking about going into the studio and producing something > new-that would defeat the purpose of a hiatus. I'm talking about > remastering existing material for release. I would guess that that > would take minimal involvement by the band AND it would keep Moxy > Fruvous on the radio and sustain interest in the band during this long > break. > > I've got to think that a second live record would be the easiest thing > to do, followed by alternate/unused versions of songs, possibly an all > the Fruhead record or even live covers. Surely the vault must be full > of high quality live recording and out takes. > > Of course, this comes from the perspective of a working stiff-no work, > no money. But I would be up for a 2 year vacation if anyone's offering > to support me. > > Brent > > ______________ > Brent Miller > zone5@attbi.com > http://home.attbi.com/~zone5/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 16:53:54 GMT From: "Todd Evans" Subject: Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... Oops - my bad. I didn't realize that the web-site DID use the "C" art for a time in 2000. I discovered the band in January 2001, so I didn't know that. Todd "Todd Evans" wrote in message news:s%jK8.226$Ct6.213@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Brent, > > I think this is an excellent question. I too have wondered why no one seems > to be concerned that Fruvous is squandering the tremendous amount of > momentum gained in the few years preceding the hiatus. > > My guess is that there have been no Fruvous releases during the hiatus > because the money simply isn't there. Does anyone know if Fruvous still has > a record deal? I know they put out "C" by themselves, but that kind of > release takes $$$, and maybe without any touring revenue the money just > isn't there. > > Does anybody else besides myself think that by now there should have been > some kind of announcement from the band, their management or their web site > about what their plans might be? How about a minor redesign of the web > site? The web site wasn't even redesigned when "C" came out, and the design > of that CD was wonderful. > > Any thoughts? > Todd > > > "Brent Miller" wrote in message > news:a2558049.0206011122.277ec396@posting.google.com... > > My question is... > > "Why doesn't Fruvous put out a record during the hiatus?" > > > > I'm not talking about going into the studio and producing something > > new-that would defeat the purpose of a hiatus. I'm talking about > > remastering existing material for release. I would guess that that > > would take minimal involvement by the band AND it would keep Moxy > > Fruvous on the radio and sustain interest in the band during this long > > break. > > > > I've got to think that a second live record would be the easiest thing > > to do, followed by alternate/unused versions of songs, possibly an all > > the Fruhead record or even live covers. Surely the vault must be full > > of high quality live recording and out takes. > > > > Of course, this comes from the perspective of a working stiff-no work, > > no money. But I would be up for a 2 year vacation if anyone's offering > > to support me. > > > > Brent > > > > ______________ > > Brent Miller > > zone5@attbi.com > > http://home.attbi.com/~zone5/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 15:20:41 -0400 From: "@*_*@ Chris K" Subject: Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... Todd Evans wrote: > I think this is an excellent question. I too have wondered why no one seems > to be concerned that Fruvous is squandering the tremendous amount of > momentum gained in the few years preceding the hiatus. I don't think they are squandering it. Haven't you heard that Jian has a show on CBC Newsworld, Murray has another project/Band (the Lesters) that play in Toronto, Mike is teaching and Dave released his own CD? That's not squandering time. > My guess is that there have been no Fruvous releases during the hiatus > because the money simply isn't there. Does anyone know if Fruvous still has > a record deal? I know they put out "C" by themselves, but that kind of > release takes $$$, and maybe without any touring revenue the money just > isn't there. How much did they spend to put out the Indie tape and then got it back? I'm sure they got the money back since the CD was manufactured in Canada and sold for $15/american a piece in the US during the May - September 2000 tour dates. It's still sold on maplemusic.com. (where it's cheaper now in US funds than it was in 2000) http://www.maplemusic.com/artists/mox/disc.asp Maybe there aren't any releases during the hiatus because they wanted a "break." Hence the meaning of hiatus. > Does anybody else besides myself think that by now there should have been > some kind of announcement from the band, their management or their web site > about what their plans might be? How about a minor redesign of the web > site? The web site wasn't even redesigned when "C" came out, and the design > of that CD was wonderful. There are announcements on the web page to what is going on. They made a song "Huge on the Luge" at Christmas time that was available on mp3 to download and the fruhead songs are being released about once a month from the old fruhead card awards (1996-97 tour). The site redesign would have to be taken up with the site webmaster, Chris O (the page isn't run by Fruvous' management). I'm sure the site hasn't been redesigned because that takes loads of time to do (making a new graphic, changing the front page etc.) and he might not have the time to do it. I don't blame him - I can't even keep up with my pages and updating them. I still have fruvous photos from 1998 to scan. (yup Drea, I'll do it soon! I promise! *g*) The CD design was nice, but some of us didn't think that the contents of it was worth $15 for the disc. That is the least of the played Fruvous CDs I own since buying it in May 2000 - 3 times tops. Christine. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:07:35 -0400 (EDT) From: tcocabot Subject: HotbotMon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 20:51:34 -0400 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** "@*_*@ Chris K" wrote: > > I think this is an excellent question. I too have wondered why no one seems > > to be concerned that Fruvous is squandering the tremendous amount of > > momentum gained in the few years preceding the hiatus. > > I don't think they are squandering it. Haven't you heard that Jian has a show on > CBC Newsworld, Murray has another project/Band (the Lesters) that play in > Toronto, Mike is teaching and Dave released his own CD? That's not squandering > time. and note that the original post said nothing about squandering time. however, Todd does make a good point with that - they have built up a large fan base and a lot of energy and enthusiasm surrounding their live show, especially within the three years leading up to the hiatus. > Maybe there aren't any releases during the hiatus because they wanted a "break." > Hence the meaning of hiatus. well, it depends on who you ask. I've heard it referred to as both a general "hiatus" and specifically as a "touring hiatus." I also saw, in an interview with one of them, I think, that they are still getting together regularly - if for no other reason than to just keep themselves from getting too far detatched from things so when/if they do come back, they'll be able to pick up much more quickly, rather than having to completely relearn everything they spent 8 years developing and refining. - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! *** http://www.usenet.com Unlimited Download - 19 Seperate Servers - 90,000 groups - Uncensored - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 02:57:56 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Why doesn't Fruvous... Todd Evans wrote: > My guess is that there have been no Fruvous releases during the hiatus > because the money simply isn't there. Does anyone know if Fruvous still has > a record deal? I know they put out "C" by themselves, but that kind of > release takes $$$, and maybe without any touring revenue the money just > isn't there. I don't think they have a "record deal" in the traditional sense anyway. When we approached True North about sponsoring something at Frucon 5 they said that they weren't really interested because Fruvous' only connection to them was Thornhill and that was totally over. If they wanted to release a new album, I imagine an outfit like True North would still be interested in working with them, but it seems like they have no specific "deal". As far as why haven't they released a collection of outtakes or live material? Come on! This is Moxy Fruvous we are talking about. There is no WAY they would ever do that. Every track on everything they have ever put out was totally scrutinized by the four of them, and they each get a veto. Do you really think they are suddenly going to go and put out something that they passed on the first time? And why would they put out another live album, when the first one didn't sell well and there are tons of high quality show boots circulating out there? The fact is, that their old material is stale. If there is going to be any more Fruvous touring, or recording, it isn't going to happen until they have some new stuff to play. That much I'm sure of. > Does anybody else besides myself think that by now there should have been > some kind of announcement from the band, their management or their web site > about what their plans might be? As for why they haven't made some kind of announcement, my guess would be that they don't have anything to say. Clearly there is no imminent tour or album, because if there were they would be announcing that. OTOH, they haven't totally broken up either because I would think they would also announce that. Basically they are still on hiatus and doing other stuff, and they will remain that way until they decide to do something as Moxy Fruvous again. I don't understand what else anyone would want of them. Do they have to keep making announcements saying "still on hiatus?" That makes no sense to me. I know it is frustrating to be in limbo, but really that isn't THEIR problem is it? > How about a minor redesign of the web > site? The web site wasn't even redesigned when "C" came out, and the design > of that CD was wonderful. Not True! The web site used the "C" cover art for quite some time during the "C" period, but after a while Chris put the picture back to the one up there now, because obviously it would be silly to have it say "C" forever. Oh and remember, the band doesn't DO fruvous.com. That is Chris' baby. He hasn't been doing much more than maintaining it lately, that is true, but then he probably has better things to do. If you want him to redesign it, you will have to write him directly and convince him why he should spend the energy. A.J. - -- Since 9/11 it is apparently unpatriotic to level even humorous criticism at our fearless "leader". All my sources of good Bushisms have dried up. Humor: Yet another victim of terror. :( Email:aj@locicero.org ICQ: 13117113 AIM: locicero For some of the best Long Distance and Calling Card rates around visit http://www.ld.net/?sensible. Cheap rates and *I* get a commission! ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V6 #129 ********************************************