From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V6 #5 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, January 6 2002 Volume 06 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: something totally innocuous [mrsfillyjonk@hotmail.com (Richard Butter] Re: his point [mrsfillyjonk@hotmail.com (Richard Butterworth)] Re: his point [mrsfillyjonk@hotmail.com (Richard Butterworth)] Re: something totally innocuous [fru_manchu@hotmail.com (wild Bill)] Re: something totally innocuous [Kath Maheux ] Re: something totally innocuous [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO)] Re: something totally innocuous ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Re: something totally innocuous [sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26)] Re: his point [sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26)] Re: his point [sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26)] Argh...sorry [sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26)] Re: something totally innocuous [Lori Martin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Jan 2002 02:29:45 -0800 From: mrsfillyjonk@hotmail.com (Richard Butterworth) Subject: Re: something totally innocuous "Chris K @*_*@" wrote in message news:<3C363D47.455B57F7@ehmail.com>... > A *bit* cold?!?!? What the hell does he know? I completely agree with Christine. I heard him say that, and I'm surprised no-one skiied out of the concert in disgust. I wasn't going to start any trouble myself, but if someone else had then I'd have followed. Jian is a great musician, dreadful meterologist. Richard ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 2002 03:31:36 -0800 From: mrsfillyjonk@hotmail.com (Richard Butterworth) Subject: Re: his point Lori Martin wrote in message news:<3C3614FC.5F462B0F@verizon.net>... > Now see, darling, that IS rather similar to Eric's saying "that's not my problem". Touche. How are your endorphins? The difference is you see, whereas I naturally feel a sense of responsibility to Eric, and therefore naturally want to help him to lighten up a bit and slip into a dress occassionally, I am blocked from doing so by the simple fact of geography. If Eric lived around the corner I would be on his doorstep now with a couple of off the shoulder numbers and something black velvet and swooshy for evening wear. Mais non. But on the other hand Eric has every opportunity to post humorous things here that we can all read and all have a good hearty laugh about. But no you see, speaking purely for myself of course, my ribs remain untickled by anything Eric has said. But he doesn't care because that's not his problem. The people who make the disk drive on his computer get paid 87c per hour. He doesn't care, that's not his problem. So there we go: I feel a sense of responsibility to Eric but regrettably do not have the opportunity to fulfill that responsibility. Eric has every opportunity to be humorous, but feels no responsibility to do so. Unfortunately I left my developmental psychology book at work, but I do believe that the stage of moral development characterised by such assertions as `I'm going to do such and such, and if you don't like it that's your problem, not mine.' is stage four out of six. And indeed many people never actually progress out of stage four into more mature levels of moral development, but most inteligent people do and they tend to do it at about the age of twelve or thirteen. I know that sounds like academic theory, but I do remember it being based on extensive empirical tests and if you'll suffer waiting until Monday I'll dig out the reference for anyone interested. Richard ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 2002 05:31:36 -0800 From: mrsfillyjonk@hotmail.com (Richard Butterworth) Subject: Re: his point sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26) wrote in message news:<20020102150121.08973.00000990@mb-cn.aol.com>... > "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right > to say it." > --- Voltaire Actually Voltaire didn't say that at all. According to the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations "`I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it.' is widely attributed to Voltaire, but is in fact S. G. Tallentyre's summary of his attitude towards Helvetius following the burning of the latter's De l'esprit in 1759." What Voltaire actually said about the burning of Heletius' book was `What a fuss about an omelette.' An actual Voltaire quote a little more relevent to the IMF is `Whatever you do, stamp out abuses.' (Letter to M. d'Alembert. 1762.) And nothing to do with the IMF or anything in this thread, but it made me laugh: `This is no time for making new enemies.' on being asked to renounce the devil on his deathbed. Richard ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 2002 09:59:11 -0800 From: fru_manchu@hotmail.com (wild Bill) Subject: Re: something totally innocuous Richard wrote: > > A *bit* cold?!?!? What the hell does he know? > > I completely agree with Christine. I heard him say that, and I'm > surprised no-one skiied out of the concert in disgust. I wasn't going > to start any trouble myself, but if someone else had then I'd have > followed. What? Are you saying that all people that like the cold are bad people? Cause there are lots of people that like the snow, I being one of them and I *totally* take offense to the idea that you would insinuate that people who don't the cold are bad people. Who are you to question my morality? And why do they call them snowmen anyways? Isn't that sexist? > Jian is a great musician, dreadful meterologist. Jian is not a dreadful weather*person*. You have no clue what his education is, he could be trained in weather prediction. I for one, believe if Jian says that it is cold that we should probably take him for his word. "wild" Bill > > Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:20:01 GMT From: Kath Maheux Subject: Re: something totally innocuous Chris K @*_*@ wrote: > A *bit* cold?!?!? What the hell does he know? > He didn't have to stand outside for hours at FCII > to see a band called "Moxy Freeze-Us." > > Sheesh...did he write a "Here's my point" on the > cold? Is this why this thread started? No, but he did do a kickass impression of Mel Lastman whining about the cold during his last concert here. Kath ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:41:11 GMT From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: his point Richard Butterworth wrote: > > Now see, darling, that IS rather similar to Eric's saying "that's not my problem". > Touche. How are your endorphins? A touch low, but thanks for inquiring. :) > The difference is you see, whereas I naturally feel a sense of > responsibility to Eric, and therefore naturally want to help him to > lighten up a bit and slip into a dress occassionally, I am blocked > from doing so by the simple fact of geography. If Eric lived around > the corner I would be on his doorstep now with a couple of off the > shoulder numbers and something black velvet and swooshy for evening > wear. Mais non. Now see, that sounds like heaps of fun to me, and I'd adore it if you showed up garbed thusly at my door, perhaps en route to a concert at The Point. I'll provide the glitter and purple hosiery. But apparently this doesn't sound so amusing to Eric. I don't think that his failure to be amused by donning a feather boa or slinky evening dress is necessarily a situation that needs intervention, but rather a situation of "to each his own". > But on the other hand Eric has every opportunity to post humorous > things here that we can all read and all have a good hearty laugh > about. But no you see, speaking purely for myself of course, my ribs > remain untickled by anything Eric has said. But he doesn't care > because that's not his problem. The people who make the disk drive on > his computer get paid 87c per hour. He doesn't care, that's not his > problem. I seem to recall him stating that he thought this pay rate was economically fitting, that this is what their labour is worth in raw economic terms -- "what the market will bear" or some such. For the life of me I can't figure out how that means it's just, and I think injustice is the problem. For that matter, a lot of economists think economic justice cannot be brought about in the free marketplace alone. But if Eric is unaware of a problem there, or doesn't view the situation as problematic, that's subtly different from seeing a problem, such as your dissatisfaction with his sense of humor, and disowning it. > Unfortunately I left my developmental psychology book at work, but I > do believe that the stage of moral development characterised by such > assertions as `I'm going to do such and such, and if you don't like it > that's your problem, not mine.' is stage four out of six. And indeed > many people never actually progress out of stage four into more mature > levels of moral development, but most inteligent people do and they > tend to do it at about the age of twelve or thirteen. > I know that sounds like academic theory, Lawrence Kohlberg's theory of moral development, to be precise. Which is related to the theories of Erik Erikson, Jean Piaget, Carol Gilligan (Harvard School of Graduate Education, Harvard Center for Gender Education) and a host of other psychologists of the past 60 years or so. > but I do remember it being > based on extensive empirical tests Yep. Erikson and his heirs did a bunch of studies on human moral and social development, across cultures, and they've been followed up on extensively and used successfully in teaching and in various therapies. By the way, Richard, you can "dear" and "honeybunch" me all you want. Personally I don't find it offensive in the slightest. :) - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: 05 Jan 2002 22:15:30 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: Re: something totally innocuous *** yew gahs are making me giggle*** Angel Satan #81 freezing her her toes off in Chicago! > >wild Bill wrote: > >> What? Are you saying that all people that like the cold are bad >> people? Cause there are lots of people that like the snow, I being >> one of them and I *totally* take offense to the idea that you would >> insinuate that people who don't the cold are bad people. Who are you >> to question my morality? > >Just because you *enjoyed* Burk's Hell and all >that heat, I'm gonna question it. You don't like >the cold and I know it! You prefer 100F degrees >and humidity. > >> And why do they call them snowmen anyways? Isn't that sexist? > >And they aren't anatomically correct. Well, that >is, unless you make them. > >> Jian is not a dreadful weather*person*. You have no clue what his >> education is, he could be trained in weather prediction. I for one, >> believe if Jian says that it is cold that we should probably take him >> for his word. > >If and when Jian sings "Baby, It's Cold Outside" I >might believe him, but for now...until I see him >on the weather channel, I'm not going to. > >Christine. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:07:46 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: something totally innocuous wild Bill wrote: > What? Are you saying that all people that like the cold are bad > people? Cause there are lots of people that like the snow, I being > one of them and I *totally* take offense to the idea that you would > insinuate that people who don't the cold are bad people. Who are you > to question my morality? Just because you *enjoyed* Burk's Hell and all that heat, I'm gonna question it. You don't like the cold and I know it! You prefer 100F degrees and humidity. > And why do they call them snowmen anyways? Isn't that sexist? And they aren't anatomically correct. Well, that is, unless you make them. > Jian is not a dreadful weather*person*. You have no clue what his > education is, he could be trained in weather prediction. I for one, > believe if Jian says that it is cold that we should probably take him > for his word. If and when Jian sings "Baby, It's Cold Outside" I might believe him, but for now...until I see him on the weather channel, I'm not going to. Christine. ------------------------------ Date: 05 Jan 2002 23:26:39 GMT From: sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26) Subject: Re: something totally innocuous Christine said: >> And why do they call them snowmen anyways? Isn't that sexist? >And they aren't anatomically correct. >Well, that >is, unless you make them. Because the difference between snowmen and snowwomen is snowballs. Ln ------------------------------ Date: 05 Jan 2002 23:37:22 GMT From: sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26) Subject: Re: his point Bill said: >Again, are you just coming up with stuff >because you feel the argument >at hand is boring you or do you want to >start a separate topic? Just a passing comment but if you want to start a new religion topic, go nuts. >please name me a major religion that >doesn't have set rules of wrongs >and rights? I didn't say they didn't. I said that is my problem with religion in general. >Oh come now, it's just a term of >endearment. I might call Richard >sweetibumpkins or sugarwuzzle or >stickybuns, it just shows my >affection for the crossdressing man that >we all know and love. Well, for me, it happens to bother me in the midst of a heated discussion such as this one, particularly coming from someone that I don't know. In less argumentative circumstances, fine. >because I couldn't find all the subtle little >related things >and deeper meanings that are implied ... >like when you discuss the >existance of something tangible vs the >existence of something which is >non-tangible and that the only thing >connecting them is that the >persons don't like what they're they're >about. > (back to English 101) Yes, perhaps a good class in basic english is something you should look into. Ln ------------------------------ Date: 05 Jan 2002 23:38:01 GMT From: sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26) Subject: Re: his point Richard said: >Actually Voltaire didn't say that at all. You know, it's interesting you say that. Everywhere I was looking for who said it came up with Voltaire and no one said 'attributed to' Voltaire. My friend's dad told me it was too, but ironically, it was my friend Ryan who said he was absolutely positive it wasn't Voltaire but that he couldn't think of who actually said it. I was going to put Voltaire (?) but didn't for whatever reason. I'll have to keep that in mind. >An actual Voltaire quote a little more relevent to the IMF is >`Whatever you do, stamp out abuses.' (Letter to M. d'Alembert. 1762.) Indeed. >`This is no time for making new enemies.' on being asked to renounce the devil on >his deathbed. Lol...I'm going to have to remember that one. Ln ------------------------------ Date: 06 Jan 2002 00:07:09 GMT From: sugarfly26@aol.com (SugarFly26) Subject: Argh...sorry Sorry for all the badly quoted text. Ln, wanting to be able to send posts through email again. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 02:44:05 GMT From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: something totally innocuous "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > > What? Are you saying that all people that like the cold are bad > > people? Cause there are lots of people that like the snow, I being > > one of them and I *totally* take offense to the idea that you would > > insinuate that people who don't the cold are bad people. Who are you > > to question my morality? > Just because you *enjoyed* Burk's Hell and all > that heat, I'm gonna question it. You don't like > the cold and I know it! You prefer 100F degrees > and humidity. Well *I* like the cold. I've even been known to use snowshoes. In the Greater MegaCD of Gatineau. In February. Are you questioning MY morality? Humph! You don't know the slightest thing ABOUT my morality. Well, except for that weekend we shared a bed ... but I digress. > > And why do they call them snowmen anyways? Isn't that sexist? > And they aren't anatomically correct. Well, that > is, unless you make them. Well, if they melt a bit and the carrot falls just so ... > > Jian is not a dreadful weather*person*. You have no clue what his > > education is, he could be trained in weather prediction. I for one, > > believe if Jian says that it is cold that we should probably take him > > for his word. > If and when Jian sings "Baby, It's Cold Outside" I > might believe him, but for now...until I see him > on the weather channel, I'm not going to. For some reason, you now are referencing Arrogant Worms songs, which is completely off topic and you didn't even use an (OT) in the subject header. I find that offensive, and I'm going to say so. So there, Chrissy-missy snugglebunny cuddlywumps. - -- Lori ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V6 #5 ******************************************