From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #250 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, September 14 2001 Volume 05 : Number 250 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fwd: A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES ["Lynne Fisher" ] Re: Fwd: A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES ["Ben" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:22:17 -0400 From: "Lynne Fisher" Subject: Fwd: A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES I wish I knew who wrote this.... moxy fruvous ~filter _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye04.mail.aol.com (v80.26) with ESMTP id MAILINYE410-0912165052; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:50:52 -0400 Received: from mail05a.webhosting-verizon.net (mail08.webhosting-verizon.net [209.238.3.57]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v80.17) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYE24-0912165008; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:50:08 -0400 Received: from www.go2dtp.com (209.238.158.84) by mail08.gte-hosting.net (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 03096150; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:49:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris Brewis" To: "Angie Mullenmeister" , "Michelle Gorland" , "Zach Cloud" , "Wiggles38@aol. com" , "Tom Walker" , "Todd Fowler" , "Todd Fowler" , "Stu" , "Steve Lawrence" , "Samantha Gaines" , "Roland DeGraauw" , "Rob Hayes" , "Rickey Whitworth" , "Randy Darnell" , "Rachel Mohr" , "Rachel Harris" , "Michael Aaron" , "Melissa Borrego" , "Matt Sullivan" , "Matt Angelo" , "lisa Carpenter" , "Lara Conn" , "Kim Janzen" , "Kerry Morris" , "Josh Petit" , "John Hall" , "John DeJarnette" , "Jody Box" , "Jeremy Schrimsher" , "Jeremy Archer" , "Jeff Rodgers" , "Jeff Atkins" , "Jay Haley" , "Jason Lybrand" , "Jason Belcher \(JB\)" , "Jamie York" , "Eric Brown" , "Diane Hernandez" , "David Kessler" , "David Dunlap" , "David and Stacey Williams" , "Craig Niebes" , "Corey Daugherty" , "Colleene" , "Chris Mergen" , "Cathrine" , "Carrie Brown" , "Bryan Yarbrough" , "Brian Hall" , "Brent Craighead" , "Bob Brewis" , "Amy Sullivan" , "Amy Rice" , "Alexi Dunlap" , "Scott McLeod" , "Rob Vaughn" , "Anil Chadha" Subject: A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:56:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain FW: A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars! into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -! not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:42:11 GMT From: "Ben" Subject: Re: Songs of Pete Seeger featuring Moxy Fruvous The Minus Five?! Rok. That's the band with Peter Buck from REM in it. They're doing a lot of tribute stuff these days, they're also on the upcoming McCartney tribute album. I think it's gonna be good - they've also got Kevin Hearn & Steven Page from Barenaked Ladies doing a song on it, Sloan, Semisonic, Matthew Sweet, and my personal fave band, They Might Be Giants are on it too!!! I can't wait for it to be released. "PISCOPINTO" wrote in message news:20010912194224.06712.00000148@mb-fg.aol.com... > > > >I just spotted the following announcement on > >WYEP 91.3 FMs New Release page > >http://www.wyep.org/mixplay.html > > THIS STATION LOOKS LIKE IT KICKS @$$ !!!!!! Sexsmith, Honeydogs, Sonny > Landreth?? Crikey!! > > Angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:21:49 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: Fwd: A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES Lynne Fisher wrote: > I wish I knew who wrote this.... Gordon Sinclair. The question I have, is who on earth is he, besides "a Canadian television commentator"? Any Canadians care to weigh in here with their impressions of his overall stance on matters political and social? This is the second time I've seen this piece. And make no mistake, I like seeing friends stand up for the US in its time of need. Expressions of outrage and support from other governments and their citizens over this unprecedented act of war are an enormous boost to our morale. But I also know that Canada, like the US, has its share of wingnut/Limbaughesque/Buchananesque "commentators" with frightening agendas. And the combative, simplistic and even jingoistic tone of this piece makes my skin crawl just a little. - -- Lori > This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. > > America: The Good Neighbor. > > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a > remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a > Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his > trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: > > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most > generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. > > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out > of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and > forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying > even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. > > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who > propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the > streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries > in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by > tornadoes. Nobody helped. > > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars! into > discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing > about the decadent, warmongering Americans. > > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the > erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any > other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the > Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? > Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? > > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on > the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You > talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. > > You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -! not > once, but several times - and safely home again. > > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store > window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not > pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, > unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from > ma and pa at home to spend here. > > When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through > age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania > Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old > caboose. Both are still broke. > > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other > people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to > the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during > the San Francisco earthquake. > > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired > of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with > their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose > at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada > is not one of those." > > Stand proud, America! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:48:39 -0500 From: Keith Rose Subject: "Insanity on the Airwaves" 9/13/2001 Greetings, In light of all that has happened this week and the world needs to heal, "Insanity on the Airwaves" WILL be on tonight - providing the best medicine in the world - LAUGHTER! So shut off the constant bombardment of news, tune on into the show, and make your life seem a little lighter. Word.... Keith Rose aka Keeter Man Host of "Insanity on the Airwaves" Thursdays 8-10 PM Central Daylight Time 91.1 WLFM, Lawrence University, Appleton, WI online feed: http://www.lawrence.edu:8888/ramgen/encoder/wlfmradio.rm Web Site - http://www.subtrivial.com/insanity/ - -- Keith Rose, Sir Not Appearing In This Film KeeterMan on EFNet IRC AOL IM: KeeterMan27 ICQ: 7767635 Keith.R.Rose@lawrence.edu Low Brass Player At Large Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia - Gamma Zeta Chapter "Buy a new Game Boy For the fun and the fashion...Just for the passion!" -- Moxy Fr|vous, "Stuck In The 90's" ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 2001 15:18:43 EDT From: Amanda.K.Potter@Dartmouth.EDU (Amanda K. Potter) Subject: Re: Canadian's words For all those curious - this is the truth about the forward we've all seen in the past few days... quite interesting to see what's been edited and what hasn't... Potter here's the full text of the 1973 broadcast made by Gordon Sinclair (1900-1984), esteemed Canadian journalist and news correspondent. if you want to find out more about Sinclair, visit http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/schools/rta/ccf/personal/hof/sincla_g.html "LET'S BE PERSONAL" $A0$A0$A0Broadcast June 5, 1973 $A0$A0$A0 CFRB, Toronto, Ontario Topic: "The Americans" The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the earth. As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did. They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped. The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans. I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes. Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 107? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or women on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, most of them ... unless they are breaking Canadian laws .. are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here. When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke. This year's disasters .. with the year less than half-over... has taken it all and nobody...but nobody... has helped. ORIGINAL SCRIPT AND AUDIO COURTESY STANDARD BROADCASTING CORPORATION LTD. (c) 1973 BY GORDON SINCLAIR PUBLISHED BY STAR QUALITY MUSIC (SOCAN) A DIVISION OF UNIDISC MUSIC INC. 578 HYMUS BOULEVARD POINTE-CLAIRE, QUEBEC, CANADA, H9R 4T2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:10:46 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Fwd: A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES Lori Martin wrote: > > Lynne Fisher wrote: > > > I wish I knew who wrote this.... > > Gordon Sinclair. The question I have, is who on earth is he, besides "a > Canadian television commentator"? Any Canadians care to weigh in here with > their impressions of his overall stance on matters political and social? The article is from the 1970's from when the U.S. was pulling out of Vietnam I believe. Mr. Sinclair has been dead for quite some time. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:42:53 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: Fwd: A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES Chad Maloney wrote: > The article is from the 1970's from when the U.S. was pulling out of > Vietnam I believe. Mr. Sinclair has been dead for quite some time. Thank you Chad, and also Amanda, for exposing this "expression of support" as a recycled and outdated piece that has nothing to do with current events. - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:07:57 GMT From: "Ben" Subject: Re: Fwd: A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES The funniest part is, Gord Sinclair is the name another Canadian, the bass player from the great Canadian group, the Tragically Hip. He was also named as a Gordon We Like in Barenaked Ladies' Gordon album, which Moxy Fruvous guest-performed on. So there is a weird connection between Moxy Fruvous and this reporter dude. By the way, they read this article on a radio station near me a few days ago, and they said it was written in 1965, when the U.S. was going IN to Vietnam. In my opinion, I don't see much relevance to the U.S. of the present in this article. "Lori Martin" wrote in message news:3BA11A4C.F21D0187@xpnonline.net... > Chad Maloney wrote: > > > The article is from the 1970's from when the U.S. was pulling out of > > Vietnam I believe. Mr. Sinclair has been dead for quite some time. > > Thank you Chad, and also Amanda, for exposing this "expression of support" as a > recycled and outdated piece that has nothing to do with current events. > > -- > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:10:54 GMT From: "Ben" Subject: Re: Fwd: A TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES Sorry, as I read Amanda's full version of the article here, I see it was written in the 70s... I think that radio station is broken. I'll have to call them and tell them they got the date wrong, it wasn't made in 1965. "Lori Martin" wrote in message news:3BA11A4C.F21D0187@xpnonline.net... > Chad Maloney wrote: > > > The article is from the 1970's from when the U.S. was pulling out of > > Vietnam I believe. Mr. Sinclair has been dead for quite some time. > > Thank you Chad, and also Amanda, for exposing this "expression of support" as a > recycled and outdated piece that has nothing to do with current events. > > -- > Lori ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #250 ********************************************