From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #37 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Saturday, February 3 2001 Volume 05 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Rumours of the End [robinkat22@aol.com (Robin Engle)] Re: Frucon pub event: a question for the masses ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Natalia [cljacobs@uclink4.berkeley.edu] Re: Rumours of the End [cljacobs@uclink4.berkeley.edu] Re: Rumours of the End [Katherine Maheux ] Re: Rumours of the End ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Rumours of the End [Katherine Maheux ] Re: Rumours of the End [Marie-Claude ] Re: Rumors of the End (long) [Dead@thwip.polyamory.org, from@thwip.polyam] Re: Frucon pub event: a question for the masses [Josh Drury Subject: Re: Frucon pub event: a question for the masses Josh Drury wrote: > > FredGoldberg@ieee.org wrote: > > > My favorite beer is Guinness. I know that is not Canadian, but Toronto > > is closer to Ireland than New York... > > Do you mean "Toronto is closer to Ireland than New York is", or "Toronto is > closer to Ireland than it is to New York"? Unfortunately, I'm afraid > neither is true. Toronto is simply WAY closer to NY than it is to Ireland, > and New York just edges out TO in terms of distance to Ireland. Of course, > if you just meant that figuratively, then there's room for debate I think he meant spiritually. Especially in terms of Beer. :) A.J. - -- "I know there is a lot of ambition in Washington, obviously. But I hope the ambitious realize that they are more likely to succeed with success as opposed to failure." - --G.W. Bush, Interview with the Associated Press, Jan. 18, 2001 Email:aj@locicero.org ICQ: 13117113 AIM: locicero For some of the best Long Distance and Calling Card rates around visit http://www.ld.net/?sensible. Cheap rates and *I* get a commission! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:58:44 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Rumours of the End Todd Evans wrote: > I'd like to ask Hugo a few questions. First of all, you say: > > > I feel as though they've already been in neutral as a group for a few > years. > > What is it about 'Thornhill' and 'The "C" Album' that you feel is sub > par? These are two very different, diverse albums - both representing > the most recent output from the band. Does anyone here really think > that either of these albums represents a downward slide in quality from > Moxy Fruvous? If so, I respectfully disagree. Wow, I go away for a week for training and there's honest discussion. It's good to know that mock flames can still force all you reasonable people to delurk and talk at least for a week or two! If Thornhill is Moxy Fruvous's last album, it will be very sad to me. With Thornhill, they've finally made an album that is solid. It's the Maybe You Should Drive of Fruvous' work to me. And then, when I personally thought that the band was getting close to hanging it up and working on their personal lives, the "c" album gets recorded and released. That floored me honestly. I didn't expect it. There are many people who think the value of the music that the band creates has gone down hill since even Bargainville. To me, Thornhill is head and shoulders above the other albums and the only one I listen to even near as much is Wood. It showcased the strength of each of the members really well (especially Dave). I wish they could have been more rewarded for it though *shrug* But look at the members of Moxy Fruvous for a second. They need to decide if they want to be "lifelong" musicians on the road for most of the year or maybe do something else, whatever it may be. I think they know well and good that they can make a fine living doing what they have been doing, but playing 200+ shows a year can be a little trying on the soul, especially as you get older and try to have a family on the side. What they are doing right now, whether it is the end of Moxy Fruvous or not, is healthy to the people that are Moxy Fruvous. It's allowing them to at least try to see what extended life as an individual is like. Taking a year off is a lot more significant than 6 weeks here or there. Dave is getting a taste of different musics and seeing how being responsible for more of the process is. Jian is producing, writing, and tasting out some solo gigs. Mike is probably actually having time to be with his family. And I'm scared of how good Murray prolly is at hockey on the playstation... I think we all want more from Moxy Fruvous, but some of us wonder sometimes if continuing is the best for the people that are Moxy Fruvous. It's the downside of being real people instead of cardboard cutouts on stage. Now I'm gonna go read the rest of this thread I guess *grin* - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:11:55 -0800 From: cljacobs@uclink4.berkeley.edu Subject: Natalia I just heard this song yesterday, and I love it! I read a review somewhere about a recent Jian solo gig that referred to the pain evident during this song, and I can so hear that through my headphones. It must be such a mixed blessing to have the kind of gift that some songwriters do to show us what's inside them. BTW, I agree with the analogy that Chad drew between Thornhill and Maybe You Should Drive. Chrissy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:07:17 -0800 From: cljacobs@uclink4.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Rumours of the End Mike Yoshioka wrote: > On Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:50:33 -0800, Chrissy Jacobs > spoke up: > > Some good points :) but, I really wanted to ask: > > > > >anyway, i like whatever fruvous i can get, and i hope they continue touring (on the west > >coast!) occaisionally. > > Whereabouts on the West Coast are you? :) BC, Canada for me :) > > Mike Oakland, CA! (no blackouts at my house yet, but i wish i still lived in the midwest) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:23:50 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: Rumours of the End Katherine Maheux wrote: Yes, by the way, I realize "strongly" is not a word. :D > -- > One day, the world stood still > And we all sang one song > Words came without any thought > And we all sang so strongly > The shy, they shouted too > The deaf, all the chords they knew > And the blind, they led me through > The day the world stood still, > The day we all stood still. > -- Andy Stochansky - -- One day, the world stood still And we all sang one song Words came without any thought And we all sang so strongly The shy, they shouted too The deaf, all the chords they knew And the blind, they led me through The day the world stood still, The day we all stood still. -- Andy Stochansky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:14:19 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Rumours of the End Marie-Claude wrote: > > Chad Mahoney wrote: > > > What they are doing right now, whether it is the end of Moxy > > Fruvous or not, is healthy to the people that are Moxy Fruvous. > > It's allowing them to at least try to see what extended life as > > an individual is like. Taking a year off is a lot more > > significant than 6 weeks here or there. Dave is getting a taste > > of different musics and seeing how being responsible for more > > of the process is. Jian is producing, writing, and tasting out > > some solo gigs. Mike is probably actually having time to be > > with his family. And I'm scared of how good Murray prolly is at > > hockey on the playstation... > > Hee. For a while there it was all noble... Dave exploring music... Jian plowing ahead > with his career... Mike spending well-deserved time with his family.... > > ... and Murray playing video games :) > > Murray knows where it's at. Did Murray get a new playstation? If not then how can he be playing games? A.J. - -- "I know there is a lot of ambition in Washington, obviously. But I hope the ambitious realize that they are more likely to succeed with success as opposed to failure." - --G.W. Bush, Interview with the Associated Press, Jan. 18, 2001 Email:aj@locicero.org ICQ: 13117113 AIM: locicero For some of the best Long Distance and Calling Card rates around visit http://www.ld.net/?sensible. Cheap rates and *I* get a commission! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:20:14 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: Rumours of the End "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > > Murray knows where it's at. > > Did Murray get a new playstation? If not then how can he be playing > games? Well, considering the implications of the previous statement by MC of Murray "knowing where it is at", I am supposing that his name was probably way high on a list for a PS2. (yummy yummy yummy) Kath - -- One day, the world stood still And we all sang one song Words came without any thought And we all sang so strongly The shy, they shouted too The deaf, all the chords they knew And the blind, they led me through The day the world stood still, The day we all stood still. -- Andy Stochansky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:09:19 GMT From: Marie-Claude Subject: Re: Rumours of the End Chad Mahoney wrote: > What they are doing right now, whether it is the end of Moxy > Fruvous or not, is healthy to the people that are Moxy Fruvous. > It's allowing them to at least try to see what extended life as > an individual is like. Taking a year off is a lot more > significant than 6 weeks here or there. Dave is getting a taste > of different musics and seeing how being responsible for more > of the process is. Jian is producing, writing, and tasting out > some solo gigs. Mike is probably actually having time to be > with his family. And I'm scared of how good Murray prolly is at > hockey on the playstation... Hee. For a while there it was all noble... Dave exploring music... Jian plowing ahead with his career... Mike spending well-deserved time with his family.... ... and Murray playing video games :) Murray knows where it's at. - -- Marie-Claude Danis http://verticalcrawl.com "Fair is fair Take a shot if you dare No guy shies from a fight On a Thornhill summer night And a man is a man When he's got a gun in his hand Well I never wanted to destroy I always made a lousy boy" - -- Jian Ghomeshi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 23:17:29 GMT From: Dead@thwip.polyamory.org, from@thwip.polyamory.org, the@thwip.polyamory.org, Neck@thwip.polyamory.org, Up@Home.com (Tim the DeadHead) Subject: Re: Rumors of the End (long) Howdy, all.. I couldn't let this thread get by without adding my 2 cents... Aside from the fact that all this speculations is based on rumor, what would be so terrible if the Lads decided to move on? (deep cleansing breath...) Let's look at what they've given us over the course of the years. Great music, terrific shows, thought-provoking commentary, their friendship before, during and after performances, and the opportunity to meet new friends. Not half-bad for a bunch of former buskers. What have we given them? We support their music with local indie stations, we spread the word about them and their music, we drag unsuspecting FruVirgins to shows, and wow them with our beaming faces when band members recognize us. We find ourselves concerned about their health and well-being after long months on the road. In other words, we treat them as FRIENDS and we support our friends in their endeavors. Now, the fun part. At the last 'Con, I got into a discussion with a fellow fan about the fact that The Lads don't all come out and mingle, schmooze and generally hobnob with 'Their Public' after each and every show like they used to. My point in this discussion was that, once the show had been performed, their obligation to us ended, and anything over and above (like the old Meet and Greet) was their decision, and their option. Of course, it's always great to meet with them and tell them what a great show it was, and find out how their lives and careers are shaping up. But... Let's remember that music is their career. It's their job. It's their chosen profession. They have found a way through hard work, dedication to following their Muse, and having their OWN friends and families deal with their being on the road for months at a time. I don't think I could do it, even though I've been a working musician for almost 30 years. I still need my day job. I play a few times a month. My lifelong dream has been to take a stage, and hear the swelling sound of the audience rise like a great wave to engulf the sounds I make. It's a great dream, and I'll have it forever. I read an interview with The Roches where the interviewer asked why they don't tour together much anymore. There had been rumors about bad blood between the sisters, illness, personal matters, etc. It turns out that they wanted to use their substantial talents individually, and explore the reasons that EACH got into the business. No other reason than that. They didn't think that it was the most healthy thing for them to keep singing the same songs over and over and over. They wanted to explore new avenues individually. Sounds rational to me. Is it possible that The Lads are going their separate ways musically? It's possible. Is it possible that we'd want to go see each individually in whatever incarnation their talents take next? It's probable. Is it possible that we'll stay in touch with each other even after the Budgie has detached itself from the Dog? It's a sure thing! But is it a requirement that Dave, Mike, Murray and Jian continue Moxy Fruvous for us fans, instead of following their own creative and artistic visions, putting their lives and dreams on hold just to satisfy their public? Would we ask our friends to make this sacrifice? I wouldn't. If these four supremely talented individuals choose to go their separate ways musically, we owe them our support and best wishes. If they choose to stay together and continue what I find to be a breath of fresh air in the creative music industry, I'll support them 110%. But the choice is theirs. - -Tim the Deadhead (climbing down from soapbox and donning asbestos underwear...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:51:37 -0600 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Frucon pub event: a question for the masses FredGoldberg@ieee.org wrote: > My favorite beer is Guinness. I know that is not Canadian, but Toronto > is closer to Ireland than New York... Do you mean "Toronto is closer to Ireland than New York is", or "Toronto is closer to Ireland than it is to New York"? Unfortunately, I'm afraid neither is true. Toronto is simply WAY closer to NY than it is to Ireland, and New York just edges out TO in terms of distance to Ireland. Of course, if you just meant that figuratively, then there's room for debate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:17:28 GMT From: mike96@bluecrow.com (Mike Yoshioka) Subject: Re: Rumors of the End (long) On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 23:17:29 GMT, Dead from the Neck Up @ Home.com (Tim the DeadHead) preached :) *snip a whole bunch of good stuff* But I don't think anyone's said "No, they can't stop touring! No they can't stop being a band!" No one is calling for them to stop. I think some people are reading more into their hiatus/break than can actually be said. I think it's possible they break up. I think it's possible they stay together. Until anything official comes out from the band themselves, everything will be rumours. People will talk, people will question, it's our right and our nature to do those things. I think that they will stay together. I think they are just (hopefully) enjoying some time to themselves. Time where they don't have to live out of a suitcase. Please note, that's just what *I* think. I don't know what they're thinking. I'm not trying to pretend to know what they're thinking. Mike And it's always dangerous when I start thinking. No good can come of this I say. :D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:19:05 GMT From: brent_miller@my-deja.com Subject: FruCon4 Shirts Printed The FruCon4 shirts were just printed (Thurs. Feb. 1st). Marianne picked them up after work and we folded the entire lot Thursday evening. Friday night (Feb. 2nd) we begin the time-consuming task of packaging and triple checking the orders. As soon as we're ready to take them to the Post Office, we'll let you know. We'll also be posting photos of the printing for those who are interested. We would like to thank everyone who ordered a shirt and made this project possible as well as Moxy Fruvous, the FruCon4 committee and the webmasters who posted the shirt ordering information. Many thanks, Brent and Mar Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:52:31 EST From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: Rumors of the End (long) Tim the deadhead sayeth: