From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V5 #25 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, January 24 2001 Volume 05 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ***Frucon Update*** ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Who Wants To Be A $ Millionare ["Steve" ] Re: ***Frucon Update*** [Lori Martin ] Re: ***Frucon Update*** [Chad Maloney ] RE: ***Frucon Update*** [Tara Foss ] MFSW: Bad news [arsenelupin3@my-deja.com] Re: ***Frucon Update*** [Lori Martin ] Re: ***Frucon Update*** [Donna Hunt ] OT:newsserver ["Veronika Berchtold" ] re: ***Frucon Update*** [Lori Martin ] Serious question for comittee... [richardbutterworth@my-deja.com] Re: ***Frucon Update*** [wahrend@my-deja.com] re: ***Frucon Update*** [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO)] Re: ***Frucon Update*** [brent_miller@my-deja.com] Re: ***Frucon Update*** [elisephru@my-deja.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:24:12 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update*** Hugo Rodrigues wrote: > And to bring the conversation around full circle.... Cool! Another one of those threads on AMMF! > Chad Maloney wrote: > > Tickets before hand are cheaper. Tickets beforehand are less likely > > to sell out leaving you on the outside and not the inside. > > Why, oh sweet dear god in the heavens, why would you not want to > > get them beforehand? > > According to my CC statement, I only saved $1 on the cost of door > tickets by purchasing them at ticketweb. $1 American or Canadian? See Chad's statement above - reason for purchasing them beforehand, you'll be guaranteed to get in. 'nuff said. If it's a $1 you want, maybe a bunch of us can get our leftover Canadian change together and make up that dollar for ya. > Maybe other Canadians would rather see that $1 go direct to the > committee instead of funding CC profits on exhange rates and ticketweb > coffers. How do you know it does or doesn't go to the committee? As an "assumption specialist" (yo dood! That's my title at my company) I wouldn't make an assumption about anything right now. Ask the committee when you get to the con where the money goes and when do they get the money from the ticket place - was it all up front, or did they have to wait for it until AFTER the con commences. >BTW... *still* don't know how many tickets have been sold for the con. >(Call it my weakness, but I really want to know) And I really want to know how many eggs make up a pound and how many ears of corn in a niblet - so let's press on, shall we? Christine. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* "The smaller the man, the bigger the desk." - --Margaret (Clockwatchers) *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:46:00 From: "Steve" Subject: Who Wants To Be A $ Millionare $1,000,000.00 A ONE TIME FREE OFFER! ACT NOW TO GET YOUR "DOT COM DISC" This CD ROM is known as the Millionaire Maker, and is also creating huge fortunes on the Internet! Get your piece of the DOT COM revolution! Click here now to find out how! 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And now I'm going to dive in, just because I can't resist any longer (you knew it would reach that point, didn't you?). > > Maybe other Canadians would rather see that $1 go direct to the > > committee instead of funding CC profits on exhange rates and ticketweb > > coffers. > How do you know it does or doesn't go to the committee? > As an "assumption specialist" (yo dood! That's my title at my > company) rofl! I wish other assumption specialists had official titles so we knew who they were! :D > I wouldn't make an assumption about anything right now. I think it's fair to assume the flat 3% of the Ticketweb price goes to credit-card fees, just like it does with any other purchase. As for what Ticketweb itself charges -- who knows? But somehow I doubt they just put FruCon up there on their site through the kindness of their un-profit-minded little hearts. > Ask the committee when you get to the con where the money goes > and when do they get the money from the ticket place - was it all > up front, or did they have to wait for it until AFTER the con > commences. Hey! Committee! Chrissy has a question too! :D > >BTW... *still* don't know how many tickets have been sold for the con. > >(Call it my weakness, but I really want to know) > And I really want to know how many eggs make up a pound and how > many ears of corn in a niblet - so let's press on, shall we? Actually, I'm sort of amused by Hugo's dogged journalistic persistence in the matter. And *be*mused that the answer he seeks appears to be Top Secret Classified Info. I know these things fluctuate somewhat, and the tally that could be reported here might not be totally accurate according to The Latest From Ticketweb, but I don't really see why it's a deep dark secret that there have been X tickets sold, or that there needs to be another Y tickets sold before break-even. Brent and Mar let us know what the status is on t-shirt orders. I don't see where this is hugely different, even though the t-shirts and the Con are independent of each other. Is it too early in the morning for me to be stirring up trouble? :) If so just let me know and I'll go back to sleep. - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru/High Priestess, Murray's Sect ~~~~~~~~ He deserves Paradise who makes his companions laugh. ~~ the Koran He deserves Paradise who allows his companions to cry. ~~ me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:38:10 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update*** Lori Martin wrote: > > Actually, I'm sort of amused by Hugo's dogged journalistic persistence in > the matter. And *be*mused that the answer he seeks appears to be Top > Secret Classified Info. I know these things fluctuate somewhat, and the > tally that could be reported here might not be totally accurate according to > The Latest From Ticketweb, but I don't really see why it's a deep dark > secret that there have been X tickets sold, or that there needs to be > another Y tickets sold before break-even. I'm confused. Who the hell do you think you all are that you deserve to know this information? There is no logical reason you need that information. Brave, generous Hugo is looking out for the best interested of the people putting on FruCon. He wants them to get as much of his money as possible. But the freakin' committee itself took the time to have tickets available through TicketWeb. The freakin' committee itself keeps recommending you get your tickets as soon as possible to insure that you get to go, and also help them know how many are coming and plan accordingly. Hugo, I would bet from the committees standpoint, knowing the number of people that will show up beforehand so they can plan accordingly is worth more than the couple bucks they lose per ticket. They aren't trying to make money. They are trying to break even and put on a con everyone will be proud of and enjoy. They probably explicitly planned to have most people buy their tickets through TicketWeb and set their pricing accordingly. They aren't stupid. > Brent and Mar let us know what the status is on t-shirt orders. I don't see > where this is hugely different, even though the t-shirts and the Con are > independent of each other. So? Just because that's the way Brent and Marianne choose to do things doesn't mean other people should. I just don't understand you people. How is this information imporant to your decision making process? Just buy your dumb ticket and get on with you life. Your job as an attendee is to buy a ticket so you get in. That's it. It's the committees job to make what happens once you get in be enjoyable. That's hard work. Stop giving them shit over stupid things. I have no connection to the committee short of the same connection you all have. The people on the committee are my friends. Let them do their job, you do yours. Your job, if you missed it, is to decide if you want to go to the convention. If you want to, buy a ticket in any way you want to. Just realize that the later you buy your ticket, the bigger the chance that the convention will be sold out. If the convention is sold out when you try buy your ticket, it's your own damn fault because you don't have to wait. You can buy it now. And you should if you want to go. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:00:57 -0500 From: Tara Foss Subject: RE: ***Frucon Update*** Wow, Chad. Nice, friendly, helpful, generous. You sure make me want to buy my ticket early! Chad wrote: (and I'm sorry you hold so much anger for those who ask questions and have a natural curiosity--re-read what Chad did write, its really surprising) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. I'm confused. Who the hell do you think you all are that you deserve to know this information? There is no logical reason you need that information. Brave, generous Hugo is looking out for the best interested of the people putting on FruCon. He wants them to get as much of his money as possible. But the freakin' committee itself took the time to have tickets available through TicketWeb. The freakin' committee itself keeps recommending you get your tickets as soon as possible to insure that you get to go, and also help them know how many are coming and plan accordingly. Hugo, I would bet from the committees standpoint, knowing the number of people that will show up beforehand so they can plan accordingly is worth more than the couple bucks they lose per ticket. They aren't trying to make money. They are trying to break even and put on a con everyone will be proud of and enjoy. They probably explicitly planned to have most people buy their tickets through TicketWeb and set their pricing accordingly. They aren't stupid. > Brent and Mar let us know what the status is on t-shirt orders. I don't see > where this is hugely different, even though the t-shirts and the Con are > independent of each other. So? Just because that's the way Brent and Marianne choose to do things doesn't mean other people should. I just don't understand you people. How is this information imporant to your decision making process? Just buy your dumb ticket and get on with you life. Your job as an attendee is to buy a ticket so you get in. That's it. It's the committees job to make what happens once you get in be enjoyable. That's hard work. Stop giving them shit over stupid things. I have no connection to the committee short of the same connection you all have. The people on the committee are my friends. Let them do their job, you do yours. Your job, if you missed it, is to decide if you want to go to the convention. If you want to, buy a ticket in any way you want to. Just realize that the later you buy your ticket, the bigger the chance that the convention will be sold out. If the convention is sold out when you try buy your ticket, it's your own damn fault because you don't have to wait. You can buy it now. And you should if you want to go. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:19:28 GMT From: arsenelupin3@my-deja.com Subject: MFSW: Bad news my primary PC, a school-issued laptop, is officially DEAD. I was planning on taking it for service at the IS department here sometime over the next two weeks, as the hard drive seemed to slow down the entire system when data was in certain sectors. Now, it refuses to boot. Were it to boot, i would probably delete the couple vcds i have on it. :) Sadly, all MFSW votes currently appear to be lost and gone forever. I will restart the round in two days or so if they cannot be immediately recovered. If they can, things should go on as usual. Sorry for the inconvenience. - -adam Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:37:01 -0500 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update*** Chad Maloney wrote: > I'm confused. Who the hell do you think you all are that you deserve > to know this information? There is no logical reason you need that > information. Okay, Chad, now *I'm* confused. This is the closest thing to a serious flame I can ever recall you posting here, and I in no way see why it's warranted over a simple question about transparency or question-dodging. I suggest you let the Committee answer, or not answer, questions as they see fit. It can choose to be transparent or not. That's what it's there for -- to make decisions and determine the proper course of action as situations large and small arise. Whether it is comprised of our own personal friends or not does not enter into whether I can accurately, factually, and without making assumptions answer for the entity that is the Committee on FruCon issues -- or alternately whether I, as a mere attendee, have the privilege of wondering about Con matters on the practical level. And I don't think it enters into your answering for them, with your own assumptions instead of fact. (Assumptions: > I would bet from the committees standpoint, > knowing the number of people that will show up beforehand so > they can plan accordingly is worth more than the couple bucks > they lose per ticket. They aren't trying to make money. They > are trying to break even and put on a con everyone will be > proud of and enjoy. They probably explicitly planned to have > most people buy their tickets through TicketWeb and set their > pricing accordingly.) Whether you like it or not, it IS Hugo's right to inquire -- and to want to hear an explicit "we're not divulging that information" if that is the case, rather than silence. And it is my right to be curious about the Committee's apparent reluctance to answer his inquiry with either facts or an unequivocal "none of your business." (And then someone no doubt will ask: WHY?, but that's another tangent.) Will the world end if Hugo doesn't get an answer? Probably not. Will I be at FruCon anyway? Yah, you betcha. But you going to bat for the Committee, and attacking me and him as "you people" to boot for daring to have the bad taste to persist with a question that appears to have been ignored thus far, is not an answer at all. > I just don't understand you people. How is this information > imporant to your decision making process? I can't speak for Hugo, but ultimately why does that matter? For whatever reason it IS important, and he's the customer, so it should be important to the merchant as well. > Your job as an attendee is > to buy a ticket so you get in. That's it. But attendees are not supposed to request information that they believe leads to making an educated decision on how best to buy that ticket in a way that suits their overall interests, not just "getting in"? Hell, we have long involved discussions over whether it's better for the band if we buy CDs in music stores where they ratchet up another sale, or from the merch table where they make more money -- but we can't ask the same about FruCon tickets? > It's the committees > job to make what happens once you get in be enjoyable. That's > hard work. And no one ever questioned that. Chill out, dude. - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru/High Priestess, Murray's Sect ~~~~~~~~ He deserves Paradise who makes his companions laugh. ~~ the Koran He deserves Paradise who allows his companions to cry. ~~ me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:29:08 -0500 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update*** Lori Martin wrote: > Okay, Chad, now *I'm* confused. This is the closest thing to a serious >flame I can ever recall you posting here, and I in no way see why it's >warranted over a simple question about transparency or question-dodging. But I think it's gone beyond a "simple" question. Hugo has posted on this topic time and time again, and the committee *has* responded... as much as it seems they're going to. That seems obvious to me. I think Chad's tone comes from the frustration of looking at ammf everyday in the hopes of some proof the ng hasn't died... and reading the same gripe over and over. Do I understand Hugo's point? You betcha! Do I understand the Committee's stance? Yes, Indeedy! Do I understand Chad's frustration with this topic that I really feel as been pounded into the ground? AMEN! Maybe nobody has suggested this yet... but, Hugo... if you feel you must bug the committee about this issue, could you please do it privately? Maybe other people who want to know what Hugo wants to know should pipe up now as well? Maybe, if people are harassing the committee privately and eventually want to post their official answers here, that'd be fine? I would feel differently if a whole bunch of people were up-in-arms about ticket prices, where the money is going, how many have been sold... but, it seems Hugo is waging the one-man war about it. I'm not against one-man wars, exactly. But I am burnt out on this one. And I don't *really* understand why. Hugo, you have your ticket, right? You're going to be there. Nobody really believes there's a chance that the FruCon IV Committee is somehow trying to make this huge profit out of the pockets of Fruvous Fans and all escape together to Paradise Island... do they? Or maybe people think that the "hiatus" has really put a strain on the pocketbooks of the actual members of Moxy Fruvous--that the band is pressuring the committee to skim a little off the top so they can put their children through college? I'm sure that's it. What has the committee told us. The committee has told us that the place they've booked holds 400 people. They expect that place to sell out. They explained that this TicketWeb thing seemed the best choice for a lot of reasons. Why won't they tell us how many tix have been sold? Here's my theory: I believe the committee really believes the Con will sell-out. I bet the committee has bills to pay, about this Con. Didn't some committee members (Fiona? Doug?) post something about the cost of the room being due a couple weeks before the Con? Do any of us really feel that the Committee should be responsible for shelling out money out of their own pockets in order to make sure this Con has a place to happen in? Not to mention other bills (not Wild, not Buffalo) for other stuff? I think the committee might be thinking something like "well, if we tell them we've only sold 10 tix, everybody will just intend to buy them at the door. Then we're each gonna have to shell out $6000 to get this thing to happen." And, I also think the committee just might *want* people to get in to the Con. After the work they've put in to making it happen, the just might want people to show up. The way they can guarantee you get into the con is for you to buy your tix ahead of time. I think it's that simple. > Whether you like it or not, it IS Hugo's right to inquire Sure. I'm just asking him to do it privately. I mean, unless Hugo feels like he's getting great response and answers in going on about it in this particular fashion. Maybe it was his dark, secret, scheme all-along to just get people up-in-arms and involved in a little flame war right before the Con. Or maybe there's some kind of axe he needs to grind, and feels some kind of thrill doing it in a public forum. Are people really upset enough that the Committee doesn't want to reveal specific #'s of tix sold that they won't attend the Con? Because... I think the committee would really need to know that information. Because... I think it'd be silly, since I believe Fans of Moxy Fruvous Who Generally Make Roadtrips would want to be at that show in February.[1] If you trek up to the show... why not hang out the rest of that day with other Fans of Moxy Fruvous? Because... I think that implies mistrust. Have you ever demanded to know the specific number of tix when you order tickets to other events? A Fruvous Show? Other Conventions? Stars on Ice? I don't. I want to go, I buy my tix. I know that I will never know how much money Scott Hamilton actually got from my purchase of said ticket. Poor Scott. I'm sure he's starving, too. So, is it because we "know" this committee, that suddenly we feel the need to harass them? > And it is my right to be curious about the Committee's apparent >reluctance to answer his inquiry with either facts or an unequivocal >"none of your business." I just don't believe the Committee's been silent. I think they've presented what they want to present... and I think that's fine. And I'm sorry, Hugo... if you feel that I'm tearing you apart, because I'm not... I just had to keep using your name because I'm pretty sure you're the only one who's stuck on the issue--publically, at least. ciao, donna [1] And who can say if this show would have even happened, without the Con? A band goes on Hiatus and decides to do one gig in *February* and still not schedule a tour? Yeah, pure coincidence, I'm sure. Because February is such a great time of year, in the Northern Hemisphere. Warm, sunny... I'm home sick. I feel crappy, and I feel cranky. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:09:41 +0100 From: "Veronika Berchtold" Subject: OT:newsserver I read somewhere that there is a free newsserver by msn out there but i didnt find it so far. maybe someone here can help me out!!! Veronika ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:23:42 -0500 From: Lori Martin Subject: re: ***Frucon Update*** Donna Hunt wrote: > Nobody really believes there's a chance that the FruCon IV Committee is somehow > trying to make this huge profit out of the pockets of Fruvous Fans and all > escape together to Paradise Island... do they? Hell no! Temptation Island is where it's at, baby! We Fruheads might be out of the loop, but even we know that! ;) - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru/High Priestess, Murray's Sect ~~~~~~~~ He deserves Paradise who makes his companions laugh. ~~ the Koran He deserves Paradise who allows his companions to cry. ~~ me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:09:30 GMT From: richardbutterworth@my-deja.com Subject: Serious question for comittee... I demand to know what the average size of the arses of the FruCon committee is. Because I hear that it is 22" whereas the average width of the seats in the hall is only 20.5". This means an average seating deficit of 1.5", being the average size of the committee members' backsides subtracted the from the average seat size. And I need to know if there is going to be a seating width deficit before I book my ticket, because I need to know these things before I decide to haul my lardy bum to the FruCon. It is my RIGHT to demand this information. And I'm not going to stop asking until I've irritated the shit out of everyone who has got better things to do than listen to me. Ah, FruCon, what would we do for pointless, banal flamewars if it didn't happen, eh? Bless, Richard Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:36:58 GMT From: wahrend@my-deja.com Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update*** No no no no no... I really think that Hugo and Lori have good points here. I know that when I go to a concert I am very overly concerned about how much of a take the place gets and how much goes to the artist and whether or not the sound guy got paid that night. I want to know how many tickets need to be sold so that the artist and the place break even. So what I am proposing is that the FCIV commitee make out a detailed cost summary of everything that it takes to put on the con. How much to rent the room, how much get those little laminates, how much it costs to make little puzzles and make phone calls to the speakers that might show up. I want to know it all. We'll itemize each thing and then place them into little buckets. Once we've gotten a good estimate, we'll then use our math skills so that way we can figure out how much each ticket should cost, add in some money for ... oh what the fuck am I saying. If either of you really think you need to know this information, you should have joined the committee. As a concert goer, I look at the ticket price, if i think it is unreasonable, I don't go. If you think the Con is too expensive, don't buy a ticket. If the exchange rate is such a big deal, please come see me before the show and I'll give you a dollar out of my change jar. I really have no idea about the ticket process. I don't know if ticketweb gives the money to the con at the point of purchase or what, but having an amount of money prior to booking is a good thing, unless you want people to pay out their pockets and assume their own personal risk. Of course, how many people would want to be on the committee knowing that they'd have to shell out XXX dollars to put it on, which may or may not come back to you AND you get to put in a lot of unpaid, underappreciated hours. But I will tell you this, I don't much care. I view this just like I view any other event that I am going to attend. There are costs in attending. I pay ticketbastard a ton of money to go to concerts. It's the cost of doing business. As always, if I wanted to make a statement, I would not go. As for the number of tickets sold, how many other events do people attend where they tell how many tickets are left? Seriously? I know when I attend most concerts they don't go, well there is only 5000 tickets left! Or when I attend a hockey game or a movie. Why should the con be any different? Are you only going to buy a ticket if it means the con won't make it into the black? I have no idea what possible purpose knowing how many tickets are left would serve besides, perhaps if you were going to hold out and hope that you could by at the door thereby avoiding the exchange rate (And knowing so you can wait to firm up plans doesn't hold water either since you can get a refund on your ticket). well, that's my $.02 Back to my hole in the ground. "wild" Bill Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 2001 00:27:11 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: re: ***Frucon Update*** >> Nobody really believes there's a chance that the FruCon IV >Committee is somehow >> trying to make this huge profit out of the pockets of Fruvous >Fans and all >> escape together to Paradise Island... do they? > >Hell no! Temptation Island is where it's at, baby! We Fruheads >might be out of the loop, but even we know that! Toronto in February with Fruvous... sounds like Temptation Iceberg!! :) Angel Satan #81 Go, Sabres, go! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 01:38:06 GMT From: brent_miller@my-deja.com Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update*** Lori writes: .....Brent and Mar let us know what the status is on t-shirt orders. I don't see where this is hugely different, even though the t-shirts and the Con are independent of each other. Is it too early in the morning for me to be stirring up trouble? :) If so just let me know and I'll go back to sleep. Lori Brent and Mar's response: We know that comparing Con ticket sales and the shirt are like comparing apples to oranges, so we'll only address the shirts. First of all, I don't think anyone has ever asked us about shirt sales before. Each year, the total is almost always the same; about a hundred shirts, give or take a few. We always print a few extras in case the printer makes a mistake, but the printer we use is so good, it's never a problem. It's a lot of fun designing the shirts, working on the packaging and corresponding with everyone. But make no mistake, it's a lot of work and a lot of responsibility. By the time FruCon rolls around, we're ready for a years break. We can't even imagine the stress and worry of putting on the Con itself. Three cheers to the committee. By the way, we've got our tickets. Brent and Mar Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 01:40:40 GMT From: elisephru@my-deja.com Subject: Re: ***Frucon Update*** In article <94nhtp$sst$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wahrend@my-deja.com wrote: > I really have no idea about the ticket process. I don't know if > ticketweb gives the money to the con at the point of purchase or what, > but having an amount of money prior to booking is a good thing, unless > you want people to pay out their pockets and assume their own personal > risk. Of course, how many people would want to be on the committee > knowing that they'd have to shell out XXX dollars to put it on, which > may or may not come back to you AND you get to put in a lot of unpaid, > underappreciated hours. But I will tell you this, I don't much care. right. ..let me tell ya'll about Frucon I, in case ya'll werent there. there werent problems like this. why? because it wasnt such an event then. it was a tiny room with maybe 100 people milling around, singing, signing stuff...and then there was me, still drunk from the previous night running on no sleep, harassing the camera crew because they had a big fuzzy microphone. but i digress. i dont think some of us realize what a convinience this ticketweb thing is. i mean..really, the wonder of the internet and all that. frucon I couldnt have even dreamed of having all their tickets pre-sold! a) they didnt have enough atendees and b) they didnt have the technology (if it was there, it wasnt very visible or accessable). now that its such a huge event, you should all be bowing down to the Great Gods of Technology that you can GUARAN-F'IN-TEE yourself a spot in the glorious lovechild of hard working people that *is* frucon IV. thank you. sheryljean. 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