From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #412 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, October 13 2000 Volume 04 : Number 412 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The Item On EBay [lawrence solomon ] Re: The Item On EBay [lawrence solomon ] Re: The Item On EBay ["Jason A.Reiser" ] Surprisingly Not OT: Martin Sexton [Melanie ] Re: Surprisingly Not OT: Martin Sexton [FruCake1@aol.com] Phil Ochs tribute concert ["Carolyn Wember" ] OT: Russell Wolff in Rochester [Paul Mischler ] Re: The Item On EBay [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: The Item On EBay [chad schrock ] Re: The Item On EBay [tmbgirl@my-deja.com] Re: Hey, I've been trying to reach you! [Lori Martin ] Re: The Item On EBay [tmbgirl@my-deja.com] Re: The Item On EBay [vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: The Item On EBay [lawrence solomon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:21:53 -0400 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: The Item On EBay tmbgirl@my-deja.com wrote: > hahhaaa, amy!!! you can't leave now... it's finally getting good > again... i haven't been this souped about reading the newsgroup > since... well... right after frucon III!!! > > hahahaaa... conincidence? of course not. you clearly dislike peaceful, meaningful discussions. and you seem to prefer seeing the newsgroup get into a total uproar. and it seems that every time you post, you say something that you know will upset someone. I wouldn't be surprised if you do it deliberately, either. why don't you try to post something productive for once, instead of just trying to incite bitter, vicious arguments? - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "And I don't know whether I believe in me, but I still believe in my friends." -The Nields ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:21:37 -0400 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: The Item On EBay sisterpuff@my-deja.com wrote: > > Oky Dok. > To answer some of your questions concerning the :::Picture of Murray::: > 1. You're not a student here at JMU. You don't know how the people of > Harrisonburg treat JMU students. I went to make copies of that picture > for a few friends and they told me that I *had* to use the Kodak photo > finishing thing. They wouldn't bend from that rule...even though they > do have a service where you can send your pictures off to get done for > much cheaper. I think that either a) they didn't want to fill out the > five categories of *paper work* and/or b) they really really don't care > how much money college students don't have just as long as they don't > have to deal with us for more than needed. One page costs $6.50 plus > tax...then include shipping and handling and there you have the $7.00. ok, so you can recoup your costs by basically have the recipient pay for the cost. that's not the same as *auctioning* it off. in an auction, you're clearly not intending to break even, so why lecture us about your costs? > 2. I wasn't too sure if I wanted to put the picture up on eBay. > Actually, I wasn't going to do it. But, I was encouraged to by my > friends and everything. And, you know, it is a great picture. There's > no denying it. it is? I find it rather unflattering. I still don't understand why you made an *extra* copy of the picture if you didn't want it in the first place, especially if it cost you so much more than you could afford. > 4. If this debate over whether or not a person should even have this > picture up on eBay caused a person to detract their bid on the picture, > then you lost out, my friend. I'm just trying to give a Murray fan yet give? you're not giving anyone anything. you're selling it. not only that, but you're selling it in a way that is very much intended to make a profit. what other reason could you possibly have for using eBay rather than just "selling" it for for the same as you paid? > another great photo of Murray. I don't know you all. So, how am I to I could print out that picture on a very high resolution colour printer and have 50 copies made for not all that much money. and you know what? I already have... probably hundreds... of pictures of Murray (and the other band members), and there are hundreds (thousands?) more available on fruhead.com and fruvous.com. people who want pictures of Murray can easily and freely get them. > know who I should notify and who I shouldn't? Plus, I'm never on this > newsgroup anyway. And, even if I tried to say something on here, plenty > of people would jump down my throat and basically put a contract out on > my life because I tried to do such a thing. perhaps that's because pretty much all your posts have an air of arrogance to them? > aka the evil college student that actually thought of doing such a > horrible thing such as putting a picture of Murray up on eBay. that's the most accurate thing you've said in this entire post. - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "And I don't know whether I believe in me, but I still believe in my friends." -The Nields ------------------------------ Date: 11 Oct 2000 22:08:58 -0700 From: "Jason A.Reiser" Subject: Re: The Item On EBay [useless drivel deleted] You guys kill me. Pardon me while I go put an Indie CDR on EBay for a buck (since that's about what it cost me.) After all, I've got an extra. *groan* - - Jason jreiser@ecoutez.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:46:16 -0400 From: Melanie Subject: Surprisingly Not OT: Martin Sexton Gosh, I'm almost afraid to post something pleasant. Not sure I want to be the one to break the mood. Or even if I could. . . anyway. I went to see Martin Sexton last night here in Cincinnati, and walked into this unfamiliar place trying to figure out where to buy a ticket. I see the merchandise table and glance at the guy behind it--his back is turned somewhat to me. I think, "That guy looks amazingly like Dave Tobey." He turns toward me. It IS Dave Tobey! It was a bit of a Twilight Zone moment. I don't go to too many concerts, and at most of the ones I do go to the guy at the merch table is Tobey. He was his usual sweet self. Yep, he's the merch manager for Martin Sexton. If you've never seen Martin Sexton (last night was my first time), he's worth the effort. He is awesome. And you'll get to see Tobey. peace, melanie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:54:49 EDT From: FruCake1@aol.com Subject: Re: Surprisingly Not OT: Martin Sexton Just want to add that Tobey will be with Martin Sexton until December, so check out www.martinsexton.com to find out where they're going to be. :) Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:43:40 -0400 From: "Carolyn Wember" Subject: Phil Ochs tribute concert Hey, fellow hippie fruheads! Let's stop the petty squabbling and have some old-fashioned peace, love and understanding (and protest songs). To that end, there's a cool concert coming up next weekend in Hightstown, New Jersey. Outta Sights and Sounds is hosting a Phil Ochs tribute concert on Saturday, October 21. If anyone saw the Phil Ochs workshop at Clearwater, some of the same people will be there. Did anyone else catch Greg Greenway's rendition of "Crucifixion" at Clearwater? It was hauntingly beautiful. He'll be at this concert also. Anyway, their website is www.outtasightsandsounds.com Lots of info about this and other shows. - --Carolyn (who is trying to adjust to life without Frushows) _______________________________________________________ This information may contain confidential and/or privileged material and is only transmitted for the intended recipient. Any review, retransmission, conversion to hard copy, copying, reproduction, circulation, publication, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action, or omission to take action, in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer, disk drive, diskette, or other storage device or media. A list of partners at each office can be provided on request. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:34:08 -0400 From: Paul Mischler Subject: OT: Russell Wolff in Rochester I'll continue the "What are we doing for music now"... This upcoming Thursday 10/19, the RIT Student Music Association presents Russell Wolff as part of our Open Mic Night series. The fun starts with our Open Mic Night at 8:00 PM, followed by Russell at about 9:30 PM. The fun takes place at the College Grind in the Hettie Shumway Dining Commons on the RIT Campus. For directions to the RIT Campus, and a Campus map, you can go here: http://inside.rit.edu/maps/ - -Paul Mischler - -Remove the glaringly obvious from my e-mail address to reply. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:00:00 EDT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: The Item On EBay <> I think she was pointing out how she got the original starting price. <> I don't think she said she didn't want the picture..If she didn't want it, she could have sold the original. And maybe she did want to make a little profit. I highly doubt she's going to rake in hundreds of dollars. <> And is Saturn really *giving* me something when they say they want to *give* me an opportunity to buy a brand new car? No. They're selling it. What they're giving is the opportunity for me to buy the car. Much like being given the opportunity to buy a picture of Murray. Wow, look how this all connects! <> Yeah...and? Your point would be...? <> Maybe she wants to make a little money. Is there something really so wrong about that? I've sold stuff on ebay and at yahoo to get a little extra cash here and there. I believe the seller is in college, correct? I'm in high school. I know I don't exactly always have money to toss around. (And don't give me a big lecture about how most working people don't either. I know.) Well, tell me of a good site where I can "sell to cover my expenses" rather than "auction." I certainly don't know of a site like that. And if she were to post here, Hey I have a pic of Murray, selling it for $7.00 to cover the expenses of printing it..do you think a lot of people would jump at the chance? Or jump down her throat? But then, I forgot, everyone else has a million pictures of Murray anyway. <> Congratulations. I'm in awe of your amazing printer abilities. How much you pay for that colour cartridge? <> Well I don't okay? I've seen 2 shows in 4 years. And I wasn't going to buy the picture of Murray, but if I wanted one, it's kinda cool to know I could buy one, since I know damn well I couldn't go to a store and pick up a poster of Fruvous for $4.95. Even if the main purpose of selling the picture was to make money, it's still a fact that not everyone has hundreds of pictures of the band, and if they want to buy one from Ebay or yahoo, or have their best friend's cousin's daughter's neighbor's aunt print one from her high resolution colour printer, well they got the picture didn't they? They got what they wanted. So who cares how they got it? (Unless of course they stole it...) <> Yes, they can. Especially if they have very high resolution colour printers. And since I don't and also since I prefer my pictures not on normal paper, and prefer not to use up lots of color ink on my family computer, I don't. And hence, my only picture of Fruvous *not* on an album cover is the postcard of tour dates I got awhile back. And it's black and white. < that's the most accurate thing you've said in this entire post.>> Funny you should mention arrogance... I can be arrogant..I'll be arrogant for a bit. I think you should make some sort of civil attempt to see where someone else is coming from instead of putting moral judgements on how they do things. Especially when it's something that has nothing to do with you. All you have to do is not buy the picture and/or delete posts with this thread title. I tried to see where you were coming from, but basically couldn't. I wonder why that is. I don't know how this turned into such a big deal, but I know the longer I stay on this ng, the more I have to be surprised that they always attack the immaturity of kids. - ---------> Ln ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:52:30 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: The Item On EBay SugarFly26@aol.com wrote: **big snip of something that goes good with cheese** > < fruhead.com and fruvous.com. people who want pictures > of Murray can easily and freely get them.>> > > Yes, they can. Especially if they have very high resolution > colour printers. And since I don't and also since I prefer my > pictures not on normal paper, that's why you would use photographic paper in the inkjet printer. Go look anywhere they sell paper for printers. But I find it funny that you picked up on the printer and just wouldn't let it go. Have some printer envy, bychance? > and prefer not to use up lots of color ink on my family computer, > I don't. And hence, my only picture of Fruvous *not* on an album > cover is the postcard of tour dates I got awhile back. And it's > black and white. > > < of arrogance to them? that's the most accurate thing > you've said in this entire post.>> > > Funny you should mention arrogance... > > I can be arrogant..I'll be arrogant for a bit. I think you should > make some sort of civil attempt to see where someone else is coming > from instead of putting moral judgements on how they do things. > Especially when it's something that has nothing to do with you. > All you have to do is not buy the picture and/or delete posts with > this thread title. I tried to see where you were coming from, but > basically couldn't. I wonder why that is. I know I hacked out a lot of this post, but the violin solo in the background simply over-powered the message. Better luck next time. > I don't know how this turned into such a big deal, but I know > the longer I stay on this ng, the more I have to be surprised > that they always attack the immaturity of kids. honey, you are one of "they". You figure out the rest. - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:26:18 GMT From: tmbgirl@my-deja.com Subject: Re: The Item On EBay In article , SugarFly26@aol.com wrote: > I think she was pointing out how she got the original starting price. i think you're a genius. that was my original interpretation as well. > I don't think she said she didn't want the picture..If she didn't > want it, she could have sold the original. what's this? someone with common sense... here?! > <> > > And is Saturn really *giving* me something when they say they want to > *give* me an opportunity to buy a brand new car? No. hahaa, that's soooo great! :) > < very much intended to make a profit.>> > > Yeah...and? Your point would be...? i'm to believe that they think it's immoral and evil. this is fruvianity after all (the latest religion where you worship all that is, was and could be fruvous). but we would never know what their reasoning is because they basically just said that amy was pathetic and needed to "get a life" because she was selling the photo... so maybe they just have issues with her personally. > < pictures of Murray (and the other band members)>> > > Well I don't okay? I've seen 2 shows in 4 years. And I wasn't going > to buy the picture of Murray, but if I wanted one, it's kinda cool to > know I could buy one, since I know damn well I couldn't go to a store > and pick up a poster of Fruvous for $4.95. and this folks, is the main point. this is why other bands fans do the same thing... even if "other" bands fans are less moral than ye mighty fru-fans. it makes sense that people would want something they may not have access to. if you think that it's ridiculous that amy should make a profit off of this item, then tell her that (don't tell her to get a life!) and don't bid on it. > Even if the main purpose of selling the picture was to > make money, it's still a fact that not everyone has hundreds of > pictures of the band, and if they want to buy one from Ebay or yahoo, > or have their best friend's cousin's daughter's neighbor's aunt print > one from her high resolution colour printer, well they got the > picture didn't they? They got what they wanted. So who cares how they > got it? (Unless of course they stole it...) see i'm to believe that doing the whole "print-out" thing would be considered stealing more than actually buying a real print of the photo regardless of the price you pay for it... but hey, i'm not one to discuss right and wrong here. > I can be arrogant..I'll be arrogant for a bit. I think you should > make some sort of civil attempt to see where someone else is coming > from instead of putting moral judgements on how they do things. > Especially when it's something that has nothing to do with you. hahaa, you must have forgotten that all of these people are "friends" with the band. they're looking out for their friend's interests - not letting someone make a profit off of murray's good looks ya know. that's completely understandable, right? *grin* > I don't know how this turned into such a big deal, but I know the > longer I stay on this ng, the more I have to be surprised that they > always attack the immaturity of kids. well maybe it has to do with their own insecurities. but hey, i'm comfortable with my outrageous immaturity, are you? > ---------> Ln just so you know, you're my new hero. take it easy, JOrdaN http://www.geocities.com/tmbgirl.geo/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:09:13 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: Hey, I've been trying to reach you! Melanie said: > Tom Salyers sent us: > >>(Joe Navratil) says... > > I'm not dead yet! > > (I think I'll go for a walk...) > and Joe says: >>Shut up, you. You'll be stone dead in a > moment...<< > As I see it from a careful reading of this newsgroup > DEAD = MURRAY = GOD AAACK! Joe = Murray? Tell me it isn't so! Okay, maybe it's so. I'll deal. - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru/High Priestess, Murray's Sect ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:07:18 -0400 From: "Lindsay Lion" Subject: Re: The Item On EBay I just want to make this point abundantly clear. I think that no matter what band it is for, it is lame to sell an amature picture on ebay. I could give a hoot that it is Fruvous. And I am not saying it is bad or good. I sell stuff on ebay for cash, and that is great. But I still think that the item offered is lame. Lamer than a rerun of Suddenly Susan. Love to all my honeys! liNdsAy > and this folks, is the main point. this is why other bands fans do the > same thing... even if "other" bands fans are less moral than ye mighty > fru-fans. it makes sense that people would want something they may not > have access to. if you think that it's ridiculous that amy should make > a profit off of this item, then tell her that (don't tell her to get a > life!) and don't bid on it. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 02:18:25 GMT From: tmbgirl@my-deja.com Subject: Re: The Item On EBay zaph@fruhead.com wrote: > tmbgirl@my-deja.com wrote: > you seem to prefer seeing the newsgroup get into a > total uproar. and it seems that every time you post, you say > something that you know will upset someone. yep, you caught me... the other day when i posted on the "peeps" thread what books i was reading, there were subliminal messages in there that were saying "hey fruheads, start crying now!!!" and when i was telling people about that amazing band (that i can guarantee that no more than 1 or 2 people may have heard of but all probably would want to) that's playing in virginia in a few days - i was really thinking "come on out to the show so that we can laugh at you behind your back and make you terribly upset! and then i'll tell the band to make sure they give you funny looks the whole show long, just to disturb your peace!" > I wouldn't be surprised if you do it deliberately, either. why yes lawrence, you caught us!!! in fact, the only reason that amy put that picture up on ebay was because she *knew* that people were going to have issues with it and then she *knew* that i'd make sure i put those people in line. ah of course! i may be a b!tch, but i don't spend my free-time thinking "ooooh how can i annoy those fruheads today?!" > why don't you try to post something productive for once, instead of > just trying to incite bitter, vicious arguments? productive? i just checked out my handy-dandy dictionary.com site and it defines that as "Producing or capable of producing." because as far as i'm concerned, that's what i'm doing... producing material that can be debated, attacked, laughed at, loved, hated whatever. i am producing threads on the newsgroup... just because you take personal offense to them, doesn't mean that they're not "productive." If you don't like what i'm saying lawrence, don't read it. take it easy, JOrdaN http://www.geocities.com/tmbgirl.geo/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 03:04:04 GMT From: vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: The Item On EBay Spake tmbgirl@my-deja.com: > so if someone doesn't want the item, and they decide that "yo >this sisterpuff is ripping people off with that price," then they can >also say "yo, i don't think i'll bid on it." Yo. >[Amy] thinks you guys are crackheads because you're >getting your panties in a knot over something as ridiculous as this. Funny, she seems to be quite capable of fighting her own damn battles... I am certain that, if I want insight into Amy's mind, I'll ask Amy. >> But honey, > >uhm no offense, but who the f*ck are you calling "honey?" Certainly not you. See above. - -v, off for the weekend - -------- Vika Zafrin -------- vika@attglobal.net -------- http://www.brown.edu/Research/Decameron "What comes from within is trustworthy." -- M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:54:44 -0400 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: The Item On EBay SugarFly26@aol.com wrote: > I think she was pointing out how she got the original starting price. the fact that she felt the need to explain that indicates that she wasn't totally clear on what our objection to this was - most of us would have no problem if she simply stated "I have a photo of Murray that I got developed, and I'd like to get rid of it, but it was rather expensive to have made," rather than posting it on eBay, intending to *profit* from it. > I don't think she said she didn't want the picture..If she didn't want it, > she could have sold the original. And maybe she did want to make a little > profit. I highly doubt she's going to rake in hundreds of dollars. um, I would guess that she kept an original for herself anyway. the question still remains as to why she made a duplicate. > And is Saturn really *giving* me something when they say they want to *give* > me an opportunity to buy a brand new car? No. They're selling it. What > they're giving is the opportunity for me to buy the car. Much like being > given the opportunity to buy a picture of Murray. Wow, look how this all > connects! no, and you clearly said yourself that by saying they're giving you such an opportunity they *are* giving you the opportunity. it's a tautology. giving a picture (or a car) and giving the opportunity to purchase one are two very different things. > here and there. I believe the seller is in college, correct? I'm in high > school. I know I don't exactly always have money to toss around. (And don't > give me a big lecture about how most working people don't either. I know.) *most* people, working or not, don't have money to toss around. but those people probably shouldn't be spending $7 on pictures they don't want, either - that is, if we're to believe that she just happened to end up with an extra picture unintentionally. > chance? Or jump down her throat? But then, I forgot, everyone else has a > million pictures of Murray anyway. no, not everyone has a million pictures of Murray. my point was more to compare costs - all my pictures of Murray and the rest of the band, however many they are, cost me... probably about $9 total per roll of 36, from buying the film to having it developed. besides, why does she have the extra picture in the first place? no one has even come close to addressing that issue yet. > Yes, they can. Especially if they have very high resolution colour printers. > And since I don't and also since I prefer my pictures not on normal paper, > and prefer not to use up lots of color ink on my family computer, I don't. > And hence, my only picture of Fruvous *not* on an album cover is the postcard > of tour dates I got awhile back. And it's black and white. who cares about printing them out? the point is if you want to look at Murray, his picture is very much available. and to be honest, having an 8x10 of a band member seems kind of stalker-ish, unless you have some close personal connection to them - that is, my parents have 8x10s of me and my brother. They don't have 8x10s of musicians they admire. > picture and/or delete posts with this thread title. I tried to see where you > were coming from, but basically couldn't. I wonder why that is. because you didn't really want to? - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "And I don't know whether I believe in me, but I still believe in my friends." -The Nields ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #412 ********************************************