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alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, August 2 2000 Volume 04 : Number 329



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: BNL (was: Re: cute fru moment)    [JaciTheLurker <anneblythe@juno.com>]
  Re: BNL (was: Re: cute fru moment)                  [LilacGirl1002@aol.com]
  Re: Interesting article - "Syracuse New Times"         [SugarFly26@aol.com]
  Re: Community (was Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions)  ["Daancing Queen" <daan]
  ..did i post this twice? (was: Re: Ghosts...)        [elisefru@my-deja.com]
  Re: Mostly OT:  Budgies         [Ellen <ellenNOelSPAM@fruhead.com.invalid>]
  Re: Interesting article - "Syracuse New Times"  [Melanie <Melanie@redeemer]
  Re: Mostly OT:  Budgies  [spychicr@aol.compoot (RAI-- Random Access Insani]
  What to play to a non-fruvophile?  ["Timothy P.McMackin" <timothymcmackin@]
  Re: Interesting article - "Syracuse New Times"  [Maggie <frugalmagNOfrSPAM]
  Re: What to play to a non-fruvophile?      [Rachel <rachelal@brandeis.edu>]
  Re: cute fru moment   [spychicr@aol.compoot (RAI-- Random Access Insanity)]
  Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions  [spychicr@aol.compoot (RAI-- Random Acc]
  Re: Interesting article - "Syracuse New Times"  [Chad Maloney <Chad@fruvou]
  Re: Interesting article - "Syracuse New Times"  [Ellen <ellenNOelSPAM@fruh]
  Re: What to play to a non-fruvophile?      [richardbutterworth@my-deja.com]
  Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions  [Ellen <ellenNOelSPAM@fruhead.com.inval]
  BDM Phase 2                                              [FruCake1@aol.com]
  Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions  [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queen]
  Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions  [Ellen <ellenNOelSPAM@fruhead.com.inval]

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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:16:17 -0700
From: JaciTheLurker <anneblythe@juno.com>
Subject: Re: BNL (was: Re: cute fru moment)

>I have to find my tape of that!!! I think it was on Leno. I
mean BNL and
>DD[1]!!! What more can one ask for?! :D Okay, well the guys
here might
>be saying "Gillian Anderson" but we won't get into that. ;D

not just the guys (though i am, first and foremost, a member of
the society for the prevention of cruelty to david duchovny and
that *was* a very entertaining performance)

jaci

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:17:20 EDT
From: LilacGirl1002@aol.com
Subject: Re: BNL (was: Re: cute fru moment)

I thought the David Duchovny/BNL episode on Leno was an absolute riot.

Another useless post

Betsy

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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:14:17 EDT
From: SugarFly26@aol.com
Subject: Re: Interesting article - "Syracuse New Times"

(The pasted stuff is from the article found at 
http://newtimes.rway.com/2000/072600/music.shtml)

I agree it sounds pretty bitter..it's late, I'm hyper..there are a couple 
parts I can't help commenting on. 

- ------------>  Ln

<<And like a magnet to steel, Moxy Fruvous attracts plenty of those people 
tagged as geeks, dorks and nerds.>>

They forgot hippies. 

<<"They're definitely Star Trek convention attendees," she says. "I'm telling 
you, they're geeks in their geekiest, purest form.">>

I never liked Star Trek, but hey. Sure.

Kerry E. states, "This is a band that is stalked.>>

::Lurks around mysteriously::

<<The band started singing in the streets of Toronto <snip> led to a 
five-album deal with Warner Music Canada and Atlantic Records in America.>>

I thought there were 7... 

<<"For a band that's all guys, you'd think there would be more females," 
<snip> I think they're starting to gather teeny-boppers."

Not if teeny bopper means to her what it does in my school.

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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:54:27 EDT
From: "Daancing Queen" <daancing_queen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Community (was Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions)

>From: chad schrock <chad@radix.net>
>True, this newsgroup is "nicer" than many other newsgroups
>out there, but that does not make us a "community."  A
>"community" is that collection of people and buildings on
>the other side of your door or window.

Sorry chad, but by cyber standards, like it or not, this is a "community".  
No, not in the traditional bricks and mortar sense, but in a new 21st 
Century cyber way.

I wrote a 20 page paper defending the notion [1], so I won't bore you with 
my arguments, but I'll give you a couple, just as food for thought:

a) The terminology that we use on the Internet to give us a sense of 
physical place - home page, addresses, mail, etc (sorry, can't think at 8 in 
the morning).  They all serve to give us a sense of familiarity and comfort 
- - setting us up to expect this notion of community.

b) The downfall of traditional communities.  As our sense of the world 
broadens, we interact less with those physically near us.  These days, it is 
so easy to communicate with people in other parts of the world, that we are 
losing touch with the people nearest to us.  In my own experience, I can say 
that there are some people halfway around the world that I am close to, and 
yet, I don't even know the names of half the people on my own street.  
(sorry, I'm not elaborating enough on what I mean and therefore it is wide 
open to argument)

Also, your defination of "community" chad, is perhaps different than mine.  
What you state as "community" is more what I would call a "neighbourhood" - 
your physical surroundings and the people within as a result.  A 
neighbourhood is one form of community - but there are other communities 
that are further reaching - church (or other place of worship) is a 
community, school is a community, etc.  I guess in smaller towns, these 
would overlap - I'm from a big city and my school was made up of people from 
everywhere in the city, so it's easier to separate these into different 
communities.  By these examples, I would define community as a group of 
people coming together with a common interest.  And therefore, yes, AMMF 
could be construed as a community.

Sorry, that was more long winded than I meant to be.  I'll shut up now.

Sara


[1] Sorry, didn't mean to sound snarky, that doesn't make me a know-it-all, 
or even right about it - just a statement.
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:07:26 GMT
From: elisefru@my-deja.com
Subject: ..did i post this twice? (was: Re: Ghosts...)

In article <d.82b0b12.26b918c3@aol.com>,
  SugarFly26@aol.com wrote:
> <with teenage girls screaming "____, I want to have your baby!">
>
> I resent that! :)  Be nice to us...we're little... :)
>
> --------->  Ln, the teenager (who doesn't scream, at least not about
having
> people's babies..)

hm..i wonder who it was that had the "(certain band member) i want your
baby!" sign at the Case Western Reserve University.

now, does this mean in THIS wording that she wants to actually carry
and deliver his baby, or merely take an already-born child?

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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 06:40:15 -0700
From: Ellen <ellenNOelSPAM@fruhead.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Mostly OT:  Budgies

Chad Maloney <Chad@fruvous.com> wrote:

>READ HERE for flames

see, the problem i had was that i couldn't tell from your little
discourse WHICH SIDE OF THE DEBATE YOU WERE ACTUALLY ON.



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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:08:54 -0400
From: Melanie <Melanie@redeemer-cincy.org>
Subject: Re: Interesting article - "Syracuse New Times"

>>Hmmmm, a very bitter sounding article.  I can understand that
 people just may not feel like being a fan of the band any more, I
 know once in a while I feel  like that.  However the talk about it 
being a phase and growing out of it  sounds rather odd to me.  It 
almost sounds like it was set up, or maybe it's just my warped mind 
twisting the facts. <<

Thanks for passing on this article.  I must admit to sheer delight in
 reading articles about Fruvous.  I don't think it was bitter.  Sure, one
 person chose not to identify herself as a fruhead, but the writer
 seemed to grasp the "community's" [1] culture pretty well.  Even
 referred to us as the Fru-faithful--really getting into the spirit of the 
thing.  The image of a "pocket-protector" crowd is a bit painful, [2] 
but did you hear the explanation of "Jared, The Wild Boy" on Live 
at the World Cafe?  

Hey, my normal life is so damned normal that it's a hoot to be
 considered part of a group of folks that is "cultish" and "a little nuts"
 to quote Live at the World Cafe again.  

melanie

[1] If you look up the word "community" in the dictionary, we have many characteristeristics that fit the definition.

[2] I do not now nor have I ever worn a pocket protector.  

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Date: 02 Aug 2000 14:56:39 GMT
From: spychicr@aol.compoot (RAI-- Random Access Insanity)
Subject: Re: Mostly OT:  Budgies

Spaketh Melanie:
<<First let me say that I do NOT watch "Who Wants to Be a
Millionaire."  But I was flipping through channels the other day and
 the question before me on the screen was "What is a budgie?" 
 The contestant was obsessing over the two remaining choices.  I
 realized that I am among a select group of people who would put 
the word "dog" after "budgie" and be reminded of a Canadian band 
named Moxy Fruvous.>>

   My brother was obsessing over that (he's a big fan of Millionaire) and he's
all "...And the guy! He didn't know what a budgie was!  Mom? What's a budgie?"
Me? I'm keeping my mouth shut thinking, "Is there some other budgie form
besides a dog?"
   --Rai
   --Poot.

~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~* ~
This realization came to me:
I am a teenybopper at heart.
Dang.
::goes back to listening to her new Hanson CD in shame::

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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:32:28 GMT
From: "Timothy P.McMackin" <timothymcmackin@my-deja.com>
Subject: What to play to a non-fruvophile?

Here's a problem I've run into a few times lately.  I know what my
favorite fruvous songs are (Authors, Horseshoes, Green Eggs, Spain,
It's Too Cold, Tureen) but whenever I play these songs for the non-
fruvophiles in my life, they don't respond well.

So here's my question: what song(s) would you use to intruduce someone
to the frutastic world?  Why?  I've had limited success with Michigan
Militia and the "Intra Pennsylvania Rivalry" track on Live Noise, for
some odd reason.

I guess that could be a rhetorical question, or we could actually keep
track and test individual songs, for those with too much time on their
hands. :-)

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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 07:58:56 -0700
From: Maggie <frugalmagNOfrSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Interesting article - "Syracuse New Times"

hey... c'mon, i've never *ever* been into star trek, or worn a
pocket protector.

and i prefer to refer to myself as a dork, thankyouverymuch.

:D
~M~

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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:23:00 GMT
From: Rachel <rachelal@brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: What to play to a non-fruvophile?

> So here's my question: what song(s) would you use to intruduce someone
> to the frutastic world?  Why?

I was hooked with "the Greatest Man in America" by a friend who knew me very
well, and I've had some success with that. I got one of my sappy, romantic
friends hooked with a mixture of "I Will Hold On" and the live version of
"Fly" (well, and I'm taking her to a concert this month.) Overall, I've
probably had the best success by just handing someone a copy of Live Noise
or Bargainville, although I occasionally have trouble getting the CDs back.
Playing a medley of my favorite tracks just seems to scare people with
how... uh, "devoted" I am to the band. (My tendency to say "oh, I forgot, I
love this track, too!!" before every song is a little worrisome, I've been
told.)

- -Rachel


- -- 
"Sorry ladies; you're scantily clad and have nothing to do with the
narrative. Therefore, it's sexist."
- -Bruce on KITH

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Date: 02 Aug 2000 14:43:10 GMT
From: spychicr@aol.compoot (RAI-- Random Access Insanity)
Subject: Re: cute fru moment

<<Wait just a second here... BNL a one hit wonder? But I thought... <shrug>
Hmmm... news to me. But then, I'm in Canada, and their stuff is played quite
regularly...>>

   Well, being your local expert on the teenybopper stations in the Philly area
(so what? Gimme a break!) I can truly say that I've only heard "One Week" (a
LOT when it first came out), "It's All Been Done" (not nearly as much as One
Week), "Call and Answer", and, surprisingly, "If I Had $1000000." And I've only
heard the first two multiple times. That last one blew me, though, away because
I was on the way to Appel Farm and I had on 97.5 PST and they started playing
If I Had $1000000. Usually, this is the station where I can get my teenybopper
fix before I go back to listening to nothing but Früvous (aka repenting). I was
totally surprised to hear them play classic BNL. It blew my mind. 
    Welp.... here ya go. ::puts her $0.02 into the pot which I'm sure has
accumulated over $1000000 by now.:: <g>
    --Rai
    --I'm totally ashamed now.... <g>

~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~* ~
This realization came to me:
I am a teenybopper at heart.
Dang.
::goes back to listening to her new Hanson CD in shame::

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Date: 02 Aug 2000 15:12:54 GMT
From: spychicr@aol.compoot (RAI-- Random Access Insanity)
Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions

Maggie Said:
<<Gella's not going to post, and probably
not going to read.>>

   So I'm not the only one who picked this up?
   Gella said a few posts back that she was leaving the newsgroup. I think it's
really sad when someone has to avoid something or other to be happy. And here
you all are, still bashing away at her and her beliefs.
   So what if Jian doesn't consider Gella a friend and Gella considers him one?
So what if she said something that you found the need to criticize? She's
leaving in a month or so and decided to share her happy feelings of her last
concert. You picked out the one negative thing and all rampage on it. I'm sure
that made her feel so much better.
   I'm usually sitting here keeping my mouth shut, making innocent comments on
shows or budgie dogs or whatever. I'm not one to get into fights online, I do
that enough at my other newsgroup. But here's what I say: If someone wants to
dream, let them. If someone believes something, let them. And if someone's
LEAVING in a month, don't criticize her! Gella's probably feeling awful right
now because people on the newsgroup, people that she's formed bonds with, have
suddenly turned against her. 
   When I read that first post from Gella, I suddenly felt sympathetic. I
guess, to me, it would be like me wanting to talk to my favourite teacher about
something and having him blowing me off. I mean, I might consider this teacher
a friend, but he might just consider me just another one of his students. That
doesn't mean that I can't feel sorry for myself. And that doesn't mean I don't
have the right to share my feelings with others.
   People are saying Gella was out of line for thinking that. Well I say that
she's not out of line for thinking anything. I think people were out of line by
going out of their way to break Gella's little one-moment-of-happiness-left
bubble. She's leaving in a month. She won't get to see Früvous again for
another year. Put yourself in her shoes, okay? 
   I just want people here to respect each other and each other's feelings. I
just read something a few posts earlier about how no Fruhead this one person
ever met was an "asshole". It'd be nice if we could keep it that way.
   --Rai
   --"If you were told lies your whole life, would you want to know the truth?"
~My favourite teacher, Mr. Ayton

~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~* ~
This realization came to me:
I am a teenybopper at heart.
Dang.
::goes back to listening to her new Hanson CD in shame::

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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:09:34 -0500
From: Chad Maloney <Chad@fruvous.com>
Subject: Re: Interesting article - "Syracuse New Times"

Ellen wrote:
> 
> does anyone know what this means? (pasted from the article)
> 
> >Their latest work, The C Album (Consolidated Fruvous)
> 
> does it say that somewhere on C?  and wtf does it mean?

That's the "label" for "C", Ellen. Like the Bottom Line Record Co
or Warner Canada for You Will Go to the Moon.

			- Chad

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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:54:36 -0700
From: Ellen <ellenNOelSPAM@fruhead.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Interesting article - "Syracuse New Times"

Chad Maloney <Chad@fruvous.com> wrote:

>That's the "label" for "C", Ellen. Like the Bottom Line Record
Co
>or Warner Canada for You Will Go to the Moon.

ah, i knew that bottom line (or whoever it is now) wasn't
marketing C, but i didn't realize that they didn't manufacture it
either.

peace,
ellen (it all makes sense now)



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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:47:03 GMT
From: richardbutterworth@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: What to play to a non-fruvophile?

In article <8m9bds$qvt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  Timothy P. McMackin <timothymcmackin@my-deja.com> wrote:

> So here's my question: what song(s) would you use to intruduce someone
> to the frutastic world?

Hi Tim,

I think I may be able to help you with this one. What I tend to do in
these sorts of situations is lock the person I want to introduce to
Fruvous in my cellar for a few days. Nothing over the top in terms of
cruelty you understand, I feed them bread and water.

Then when their spirit has weakened I take them out of the cellar and
glue them to a chair. Again, I wouldn't want you to think that I'm being
sadistic or anything, the chair I use is quite comfortable and conforms
to EU health and safety statutory regulations. Then I switch off all the
lights in the room and play white noise at 135db to them for six, maybe
seven hours. Then I switch on a strobe light and play industrial thrash
metal, backwards, to them for half an hour or so.

Then (and here's the clever part) I switch it all off, put Nuits de Reve
quietly on the stereo, enter the room, offering them a cup of tea and
chocolate hob-nob and ask whether they've had a good night's sleep,
because it seemed to me that they may have been having a nightmare. I
find this technique usually results in psychological dependence on
Fruvous after around eight or nine attempts.

Hope that helps!


Yours finding that people don't come round for dinner as often as they
used to, etc,
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 07:18:44 -0700
From: Ellen <ellenNOelSPAM@fruhead.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions

lawrence solomon <zaph@fruhead.com> wrote:

>out of line?  it's out of line to want something?  nowhere in
>Gella's post does she say she *expects* Jian,

actually, the feeling of being blown off implies that you
expected something different.  she didn't say she was sad that
jian hadn't had time to stay and talk to her.  she said he'd
blown her off.  also, reacting with a "hmph" (as sally did)
implies that something different was expected.

but the real issue here is that neither of these reactions were
really fair to jian and thus shouldn't have been discussed
online in front of thousands of people.


>I don't see what's so terrible about that.

and no one ever said it was terrible.  just inappropriate.

>can someone not feel eternally grateful for something that
>someone did above and beyond the call of duty?

read the actual words, lawrence.  eternally grateful.  moxy
fruvous did not pull anyone from the path of a speeding car.  or
drag them from the depths of despair.  this is a band we're
talking about.  they bring a little joy into all of our lives,
or we wouldn't be here.  but perspective!  this is where
perspective comes in.  expecting the band to be the sole light-
at-the-end-of-your-daily-tunnel is just unfair to them.


>and I don't think anyone is expecting it.  read Gella's post
> carefully and see that she, herself, thinks it's an unhealthy
> obsession.  she freely admits that she relies on Früvous too
> heavily -

exactly. that's the feeling that a bunch of people got-- all the
criticism stemmed from that feeling.  what do you call "relies
on fruvous a little too heavily" if not "expects" something from
the experience?

if you leave a show disappointed, then is it not true that you
expected something different? and truthfully, do we as fans have
any right to be disappointed in much beyond the quality of the
performance? [1]


>the phrase that everyone has been picking on is this:

but it's not, really.  it's the implications of that phrase.

>excuse me, but that is just way out of line.  condescending and
>rude, telling someone to "get some perspective."  I think you
>owe Gella an apology.

and i disagree.  i think gella would too, considering how she
just told me the other day:   "You have every right to state any
opinion you may have whether it's judgemental or rude or...
anything. It is a fundamental and inalienable right and PLEASE
don't forget that!"

gella herself said that she looked forward to her time away,
that she needed to take a step back from the whole scene.  while
it may not have been obvious, i applaud her for that too.  the
whole point of this thread has been people saying, "well, if
that's the kind of thing that sticks out in your mind, then
you're probably right, you do need some time away."

bottom line, folks:  this is a newsgroup read by thousands of
people around the world.  do not post anything that you don't
want to hear thousands of peoples' opinions on.

i've explained this before, but i guess it needs repeating.
this newsgroup is read by THOUSANDS of people.  with different
news feeds and different ISPs.  when you post something, replies
are going to come in for days, from people who just saw it even
though it might have been there for days already.  some of them
have not gotten all of the other responses yet.  some of them
are just going to say the first thing that comes to mind.

part of the reason you think you're being attacked when this
happens is the way that the responses just keep on coming.  it's
not because people want to dogpile on you.  it's because there
are so many of them out there that they can't possibly all know
that 50 people have already said what they're about to say.
that's how a newsgroup works.  AJ is right and chad is right.
this is a community, but it's also a public forum.

peace,
ellen

[1] i'm not getting into the obvious things like celebrities-as-
role-models, when they're actually not nice people-- that's a
different topic altogether and doesn't really apply here.


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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:27:46 EDT
From: FruCake1@aol.com
Subject: BDM Phase 2

Hello everyone!
Just wanted to let you know that Phase 2 of Being Dave Matheson is up on MPG.  Thanks to all of those who submitted questions (and to those still in the process of getting them to me....ahem....Angie. ;) ) It's not too late to send in more so feel free to email me. Just make sure it's not something too personal. 

Plus, there's going to be a nice surprise this fall coming from the man himself. Once it happens you will all be the first to know. ;) What a tease, huh? :D

Enjoy!
Lisa Bills
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Date: 2 Aug 2000 16:01:35 GMT
From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>
Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions

Ok, I've kept my mouth shut for most of this, but have read each and every
single word. And I do not think that any single person here has told Gella
that she is wrong or not entitled to think anyway she does. As Ellen
pointed out, she has spoken up for people's rights already recently. And
the whole reason I've kept my mouth shut is that I didn't feel like
dealing with the criticism my opinion would likely generate.
Now I do.
I'm sorry... don't criticize?! You know, I could say something as simple
as "Will Smith is the greatest musician who ever walked the face of the
earth, and we should all bow to him and bask in his glory". (I wouldn't,
but I could.) And you know what? You would be totally justified in
criticizing that statement. Now, why might that be? Simply put, it's
because I chose to express it in the most public of places. As long as the
thought remained in my head no one could criticize it or offer a counter
opinion. As soon as I let that thought out, I have to be prepared that
others may not share the same love of Will Smith that I do.
The important thing to remember here is that it is the *opinion* being
criticized, not the person. If you were to say "Will Smith is totally not
the king of the world, in fact he sucks rocks and there is no way I am
bowing before him anytime soon" you would be criticizing my statement. If
you said "Veronica, you are a big dumb idiot for thinking the way you do
about Will Smith" that would eb a personal attack. BIG difference.
Seems to me all the reactionary posts from those who disagree with the
original two posts were essentiall commenting something along the lines of
"I think it is unfair to have expectations with regard to receiving
personal attention after a show." Emphasis on the expectation part. No
where have I read "<insert name here> you are a big dumb idiot to feel the
way you do." If that is the way an individual chooses to interpret the
criticism of the opinion, that is, quite frankly, their own damn fault. I
am sorry that there are hurt feelings, and people thinking that they will
not longer read or post here or anywhere else, or that they cannot be open
and honest. I truly am. That sucks. I've lived with people who told me all
the time that I was an idiot for thinking the way I did. Never felt so
isolated in my entire life. That was unfair. But since then I've had
*many* people criticize my ideas. And you know, it's the only way to
really and truly grow as a person...

I think I've made my point here. Feel free to criticize the *idea* if you
happen to disagree.

:) Veronica (woo! Am I ever long winded today - what's going on?!)

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      "On the sixth day, God created            |   Veronica Gruneberg
      the platypus. And God said: let's         |   Dept. of Biology
      see the evolutionists try to figure       |   Queen's University
      this one out!!"                           |   Kingston, Ontario

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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:51:07 -0700
From: Ellen <ellenNOelSPAM@fruhead.com.invalid>
Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions

spychicr@aol.compoot (RAI-- Random Access Insanity) wrote:
> Gella said a few posts back that she was leaving the newsgroup.

she said she was going to stop posting.  i suspect she's still
reading.


> She's leaving in a month or so and decided to share her happy
> feelings of her last concert. You picked out the one negative
> thing and all rampage on it.

did you read her actual post?  she talked about how she *needed*
six months away from this scene.  there was one or two sentences'
worth of happy feelings, the rest was introspection and self-
realization. the last thing she said was, "this has got to stop."

> But here's what I say: If someone wants to dream, let them.

with ya there.

> If someone believes something, let them.

still with ya.

> And if someone's LEAVING in a month, don't criticize her!

*what*??  what does that have to do with anything?? if i got wind
of some personal info about one of the band members and posted it
here a week before shipping off to another country for a year,
would i be immune to criticism?  no.

>people on the newsgroup, people that she's formed bonds with,
> have suddenly turned against her.

no one has turned against her.  particularly not the ones she has
formed bonds with.  did you not notice all of the supportive
posts
she's gotten?  those are the people she's bonded with. if gella
feels that people have turned against her, then she's ignoring
the
actual message that people are trying to send her.

the overwhelming message is one of concern.  we are all
concerned.
as far as i know, no one has anything against gella.


>   People are saying Gella was out of line for thinking that.

i said that gella was out of line for *posting* it.  i think the
fact that gella thinks it is unhealthy.  but i have no control
over what people think.


>I think people were out of line by going out of their way to
> break Gella's little one-moment-of-happiness-left
>bubble.

why in heaven's name do you think anyone has any malicious intent
here?

> I just read something a few posts earlier about how no Fruhead
> this one person ever met was an "asshole". It'd be nice if we
> could keep it that way.

i'm sorry, we can't.  there are assholes everywhere, ok?  but if
you decide that anyone who posted something that wasn't soothing
in reponse to gella is an asshole, then you just haven't examined
the entire situation.  you're only acting on knee-jerk
sentimentality.

peace,
ellen



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