From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #328 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, August 2 2000 Volume 04 : Number 328 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions (fwd) [Donna Hunt ] Re: (Dinner Reservations) Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [Donna Hunt ] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [chad schrock ] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions ["Chris K @*_*@" ] Re: RE:Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [fruvy ] Re: cute Fru moment [Lori Martin ] Re: Mostly OT: Budgies [Cameron Ross ] Re: (Dinner Reservations) Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions ["Jason A.Reiser"] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [melinda klump ] Re: Grape Jam Schedule ["Jason A.Reiser" ] re: cute fru moment [Lori Martin ] Re: cute fru moment [Lori Martin ] Re: Interesting article - "Syracuse New Times" [fruomffan@diganet.com (Ca] Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: What Phrase [Rebekkah Kerner ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:22:02 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions (fwd) Lynne wrote: > > So does this make "MRB" a friend? or not? > just kidding, just kidding.... -but couldn't resist Well, he's a friend of *mine*, anyway. *grin* Hi Mark! I'm not in Rhode Island anymore! ciao, donna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:36:30 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: (Dinner Reservations) Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > Wait a minute, mister!!! Let me get this straight - I'm blowing off a > dinner with Dave-O to have dinner with AJ. However chad is cancelling a > dinner with Murray to have dinner with AJ and AJ is cancelling a dinner > with Jian to have a dinner with which one of us? Dammit, chad! Stop being such a whore! You *know* we were supposed to have dinner on the 3rd! Metrojet? Hello? Damn You to Heck. Fine, blow me off. [1] I'll survive. Chrissy is strong... But who will be next?!? bitterly, donna [1] In the *American* sense, Richard. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:07:03 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: Mostly OT: Budgies Veronica J Gruneberg wrote: > > Chad,I agree wholeheartedly... I've ben caught up in the > whoel Free Will vs determinism debate myself for sometime > now. I mean, I know that I am a being capable of independent > thought. And yet, there are so many things which appear to > be fundamentally out of the control of us as a people, I > often wonder if perpahs we are merely travelling a > predetermined path through life... You know... The bandwidth of my brain is rather limited, so I'm only going to reply to this small post here. Of course, just trying to decipher the post pretty much predetermined my inability for any other independant thought. Of course, wondering how Richard going to the laundry has inspired all of this is still taking a lot of space by itself. > But then, I also get lost in the fork versus spoon debate... Spork. The ultimate compromise. > :) Veronica (it's the soup that eats like a meal, you know!) Yours lemmingly, chad - -- chad at radix dot net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:00:38 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions Maggie wrote: > that has turned this tiny thread into what it's become. Gella > was posting something that was sharing something EXTREMELY > personal with this community here on ammf. and what happens? This is NOT a community. This is a newsgroup. This is a newsgroup populated by a large number of people that post a lot and an even larger number of people that just read (lurk). True, this newsgroup is "nicer" than many other newsgroups out there, but that does not make us a "community." A "community" is that collection of people and buildings on the other side of your door or window. > she's jumped on and basically insulted. and that isn't right at > all. it's akin to a friend of yours confiding an embarrassing > secret to you and you laugh in his/her face. No, this is a friend confiding an embarrassing secret with a paid advert during the Super Bowl/World Cup final. [snip] > c'mon people, let's try a little kindness and support here. This is also not a support group. - -- chad at radix dot net this FF has flown ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 02:46:17 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions Posting lyrics to a song because they remind me too much of some things that I've been reading on the NG lately... Superstar - --The Carpenters Long ago and oh so far away I fell in love with you before the second show Your guitar, it sounds so sweet and clear But you're not really here It's just the radio (*) Don't you remember you told me you loved me baby You said you'd be coming back this way again baby Baby, baby, baby, baby, oh, baby, I love you I really do Loneliness is a such a sad affair And I can hardly wait to be with you again What to say to make you come again Come back to me again And play your sad guitar Christine. - -- see, I told you I own cheesy music. *g* *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright...delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 03:06:36 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions chad schrock wrote: > "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > > "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > > > > *snip* > > > > > Jian, I'll expect you for dinner on Sept. 3. Put it in > > > your date book right now!!! > > > > *checks calendar* AJ, are you blowing me off for dinner on > > September 3rd now? PPPFFFFBBBTTT!!! :p > > With you?!?!?!?! > > AJ, I blew off dinner with Murray to have dinner with you > on the 3rd! > > You'd better pick who you want to have dinner with![1] Wait a minute, mister!!! Let me get this straight - I'm blowing off a dinner with Dave-O to have dinner with AJ. However chad is cancelling a dinner with Murray to have dinner with AJ and AJ is cancelling a dinner with Jian to have a dinner with which one of us? Christine. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright...delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:11:23 -0700 From: fruvy Subject: Re: RE:Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions Ln, was right, to not post would just be childish and I'm past that. I'm not going to *not* post. I realize now and I'm sorry that I brought some personal stuff into this NG that doesn't belong. AJ wrote: >Maybe Chad was a bit harsh, but he >was responding with a >rational question to what you seemed to be >implying, which was that Jian >paid less attention to you than you thought was >appropriate. If that >isn't what you meant then just say so. Okay, you're also right, and I'm here to do just that: to say that the way what I said is being taken just isn't even close to what I meant. I never meant to come across as sounding vengeful or pissed off at being "slighted." I was trying to sound sympathetic as Maggie and Lawrence & Co. recognized as well... As for that tidbit about Jian, in retrospect, I should've kept it to myself and now I regret that I didn't. I didn't say that I was pissed or that I felt he owed me attention or anything else. I understand now just how exactly it got misunderstood (thank you AJ). Again, I am not/nor was I pissed off at Jian and I don't feel he owed me anything. I wasn't posting out of frustration but rather out of sympathy to Gella, or as Maggie called it, I offered her a cyber hug, and that's still holds. I'm sorry that I've managed to provoke what stopped her from reading the NG. *sally* - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 03:32:49 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: (Dinner Reservations) Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions ahhh that should be "we" minus the "ll" =) it's 11:30pm donna, fix your clock. ;D Christine. "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > > Donna Hunt wrote: > > > "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > > > > > Wait a minute, mister!!! Let me get this straight - I'm blowing off a > > > dinner with Dave-O to have dinner with AJ. However chad > > > is cancelling a > > > dinner with Murray to have dinner with AJ and AJ is > > > cancelling a dinner > > > with Jian to have a dinner with which one of us? > > > > Dammit, chad! Stop being such a whore! You *know* > > we were supposed to have > > dinner on the 3rd! Metrojet? Hello? Damn You to Heck. > > Hmmm...according to the schedule, looks like Murray is free Donna, I > think you two have a date on September 3rd. Or is it you, Murray and > chad? Or maybe it's Murray, chad, you and AJ? Wait, what about me? Are > well all going to fit into the Metrojet? I don't think Jian is going to > go. We don't have room, unless we strap him to the roof. > > > Fine, blow me off. [1] I'll survive. Chrissy is > > strong... But who will be next?!? > > I think Mike is next. *evil laugh* > > Christine. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 03:30:08 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: (Dinner Reservations) Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions Donna Hunt wrote: > "Chris K @*_*@" wrote: > > > Wait a minute, mister!!! Let me get this straight - I'm blowing off a > > dinner with Dave-O to have dinner with AJ. However chad > > is cancelling a > > dinner with Murray to have dinner with AJ and AJ is > > cancelling a dinner > > with Jian to have a dinner with which one of us? > > Dammit, chad! Stop being such a whore! You *know* > we were supposed to have > dinner on the 3rd! Metrojet? Hello? Damn You to Heck. Hmmm...according to the schedule, looks like Murray is free Donna, I think you two have a date on September 3rd. Or is it you, Murray and chad? Or maybe it's Murray, chad, you and AJ? Wait, what about me? Are well all going to fit into the Metrojet? I don't think Jian is going to go. We don't have room, unless we strap him to the roof. > Fine, blow me off. [1] I'll survive. Chrissy is > strong... But who will be next?!? I think Mike is next. *evil laugh* Christine. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright...delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 03:36:48 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions chad schrock wrote: > > Maggie wrote: > > > that has turned this tiny thread into what it's become. Gella > > was posting something that was sharing something EXTREMELY > > personal with this community here on ammf. and what happens? > > This is NOT a community. This is a newsgroup. This is a > newsgroup populated by a large number of people that post a > lot and an even larger number of people that just read (lurk). > > True, this newsgroup is "nicer" than many other newsgroups > out there, but that does not make us a "community." A > "community" is that collection of people and buildings on > the other side of your door or window. I have to take issue with you there chad. I think this newsgroup (along with the group of people it is a forum for) IS a community. True, it is a much larger and more diverse one than it was when we started throwing that word around five years ago, but it still IS a community. We share some common interests and we have at least a general idea of who each other (lurkers excluded) are. The essence of what you are saying (That someone posting here should expect that people may take issue with what they have said) is valid IMHO, but nevertheless I do not think that it is inappropriate for someone to discuss any aspect of fruvous fandom here, including the difficulties of discovering obsession. Or the feelings one has when one sees a show etc. > > she's jumped on and basically insulted. and that isn't right at > > all. it's akin to a friend of yours confiding an embarrassing > > secret to you and you laugh in his/her face. > > No, this is a friend confiding an embarrassing secret with a > paid advert during the Super Bowl/World Cup final. I think you are both right or both wrong here. Take your pick. > > c'mon people, let's try a little kindness and support here. > > This is also not a support group. Yes it is. It was designed as a forum for fans to share information and thereby HELP each other. If you don't want to help you don't have to, but you shouldn't criticize others for doing so. A.J. (working both sides of the barricade as usual) - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | ICQ: 13117113 \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com AIM: locicero ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:36:37 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: cute Fru moment said the estimable A.J.: > I don't require people to phrase > things in ways that show the opinionate nature of what they are saying. > If you tell me that Country music is the best genre there is. I will > understand that as an opinion. No need to clarify. Similarly saying > that I suck, or that Jian is god (frucontent) are also easily > recognisable to me and do not require the words "I think" or "In my > opinion" in front of them to make them clear. But.... but.... what if I want to say "A.J.'s a god?" Huh? does that change anything? Just another opinion(or is it fact?) from the aimless mind of Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html Moxy Früvous House Party pictures/reviews: http://members.aol.com/faeriefru/houseparty.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:43:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Cameron Ross Subject: Re: Mostly OT: Budgies > and, moreover, love sucks.[1] > [1] because it's in cahoots with Fate. Oooooooooh, wow, I'll just say I agree with you completely, cause otherwise I'll just spew out my shit for hours on end, and that would be badTM. Life101 - Nothing to Say __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 2000 21:40:42 -0700 From: "Jason A.Reiser" Subject: Re: (Dinner Reservations) Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions In article <3987973E.DF8ADF6F@apk.net>, Donna says... > ... >Dammit, chad! Stop being such a whore! You *know* we were supposed to have >dinner on the 3rd! Metrojet? Hello? Damn You to Heck. Speaking of whores... I was thinking about the whole lack-of-a-proper-hug-goodbye issue, and thought I might point out another possibility. It's important to remember that a goodbye "hug" could be perceived by the proper authorities as an act of prostitution.[1] Remember - you *paid* money to see four men perform rather unusual acts on a stage. Their antics may elict any number of emotional and physical outbursts from the patrons, but this is a professional relationship. It's been a while since I've seen a "no touching the performers" sign at a Fruvous show, but regardless it's implied... and something they cannot take lightly. Once outside the venue, the lads are more able to openly interact with their patrons. As for Clearwater, I suspect the "venue" would cover the entire festival grounds... thus making a close personal goodbye a real no-no. Be careful. There's a fine line between friendship and prostitution. - - Jason [1] I'll leave the issue of "is selling ones art an act of prostitution" as an exercise for the reader. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:07:04 -0400 From: melinda klump Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions My darling Gella, I spent much of my day today being furious at the goings-on here at ammf, and had anticipated writing a scathing reply to those who might criticize you, as I've done in the past. After a long walk home, however, and some time to reflect, though I'm still feeling angry, I find that it is more important to me to speak to YOU. I am hoping against hope that you will not stop posting to this forum. Your posts are my greatest joy here. They are always thoughtful, thought-provoking, and from the heart. It is no suprise to me that the band touches you the way they do, both musically and personally. As a songwriter and performer one is, through one's work, inviting people in to one's life, at least a large part of it. The artist is opening up his or her soul to the world, always at risk of being misunderstood, or perhaps understood, and dealing with the consequences of such. You live your whole life like that- always sharing your truest feelings, always inviting us in. This is one of the many things I have grown to love and admire about you, and I'm sorry for the times that it has brought you under attack, but I'm glad you haven't stopped. Please don't stop. In response to your original post, I know that you are worried about your obsession with moxy fruvous, and I can understand your concern, but, unlike many folks here, I don't consider that a bad thing. In the words of John Irving, "You've got to get obsessed and stay obsessed". I've had a great many obsessions in my time, and I've found that each and every one of them took me someplace I needed to be- to someone i needed to meet, or to something i needed to find. I've rarely been able to see this ahead of time, but it has proven to be the case, time and time again. I can't promise you anything, but this has been my experience. I"m not suggesting that you stick with something that is making you miserable in any way, but I do know that you have gotten a lot of joy out of your experience as a fruhead, and I hope there is much more of that to come. In any case, you are about to embark on a great adventure, one which I envy quite a bit. I hope you'll have an incredible time. I hope it changes your life. I also hope that you'll come back to us, for there are those here who love you very much. Good luck, my dear, dear friend. I hope you will never become as jaded or as petty as those who have hurt you, now and in the past. Stay yourself. In the end, you won't be sorry. Much love, Melinda > From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > Newsgroups: alt.music.moxy-fruvous > Date: 01 Aug 2000 16:37:29 GMT > To: ammf@fruvous.com > Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions > > I find it amazing that that one bit was what you chose to focus on. > > The fact that I was at all dissapointed by Jian is one of the reasons I'm so > terrified of the way I feel... I shouldn't have any sense of entitlement to > Jian's attention... or anyone's really. I should be and always am eternally > grateful for every moment I have with them. > > Meanwhile I've just shared something with you that I was only just able to > admit to myself the moment before I wrote the initial post... and you choose > to > just pick out the tiny bit to criticize me. > > I think I'm just not going to post here anymore. > > je touche le requin dans le tourbillon mechanique au l'aquarium immense > moment de frisson doux et ridicule > -Mike Ford (hehe) > > Gella > ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 2000 21:17:43 -0700 From: "Jason A.Reiser" Subject: Re: Grape Jam Schedule In article <39875D66.52A3C8E9@ehmail.com>, "Chris says... ... >a man with a tape recorder up his nose... >http://www.amanwithataperecorderuphisnose.com Would that be a site for DAT-Heads turned Coke-Heads? You tease! It's not even registered. *hmmmph!* Try some other favorites: http://www.penisenlargementgiftcertificates.com www.thisisthefirstwebsitetouseall63characterssogofuckyourselfplease.com - - Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 00:02:05 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: re: cute fru moment In what seems to be my favourite thread today, Super Dave wrote: > >Much.") And no, I don't live anywhere where WXPN is. > Is this a Canadian radio station? No No NO!!!!! Public Radio From The University Of Pennsylvania!!! (or, the best radio station in North America, according to Mike Ford.) > But, I > guess, since they don't have "sex appeal" since *when*??? Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:46:36 -0400 From: Lori Martin Subject: Re: cute fru moment Sara said: > As far as I know, Brian Wilson was a pretty big hit in the States a few > years ago - as in, when Rock Spectacle came out (as opposed to being a > hit from Gordon). I don't think it was ever no. 1 status, but I was > under the impression that it was sort of their "break through" in the > states. *giggle* This is a non sequitur, but I saw Brian Wilson a couple of weeks ago (a totally awesome show; I recommend it to anyone within reasonable 'tripping distance) ... and he opened with ... "Brian Wilson." So yeah, that was a popular song here. And while my part of "here" is a BNL-friendly place (since we have That Radio Station which, contrary to chad's opinion, DOES seem to play Fruvous at least once a shift and also plays a good chunk of BNL), Brian Wilson ISN'T from this particular part of "here", yet still thought it was an apropos opener in what is presumably an established, non-Fruvian setlist. So there. FWIW. - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru who just discovered that white wine, while yucky, tastes better with each subsequent glass ... I think I've made this discovery before. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 05:30:54 GMT From: fruomffan@diganet.com (Cara Kozack) Subject: Re: Interesting article - "Syracuse New Times" ksucy@nospam.eznet.net (Shilfiell) wrote in <010820000538528897%ksucy@nospam.eznet.net>: > >Brought to my attention by a Syracuse denizen: > >http://newtimes.rway.com/2000/072600/music.shtml > >An interesting article. The author does eventually get around to >discussing the music, but the beginning of the article focuses on >Früheads and their obsession with the band. It's 5:30 now and I'm not >yet lucid enough to describe it: you may wish to read it yourself. Hmmmm, a very bitter sounding article. I can understand that people just may not feel like being a fan of the band any more, I know once in a while I feel like that. However the talk about it being a phase and growing out of it sounds rather odd to me. It almost sounds like it was set up, or maybe it's just my warped mind twisting the facts. - -- Cara Kozack It's a reference to a _____ that you've never even heard of by\in\on a _____ that you probably don't even like! fruomffan@diganet.com www.crosswinds.net/~fruomffan ICQ: 56416421 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 02:25:07 EDT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: Ghosts of Fruvous; obsessions I resent that! :) Be nice to us...we're little... :) - ---------> Ln, the teenager (who doesn't scream, at least not about having people's babies..) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Rebekkah Kerner Subject: Re: What Phrase - --- Cameron Ross wrote: > Ok, to the people who were talking about the > cringincal lyrics, and were mentioning Blue da ba > de.... > > Well, it turns out from the band, that it's actually > offically.. I'm blue, I OD'ed, I will die. Scary > eh? > > Life101 - Full of Useless knowledge > > Well, knowing that completely ruins it! :-b I personally prefer singing vocables... who needs words? A mishmash of phonetic fun is much better, in my opinion. :-) - -Rebekkah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #328 ********************************************