From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #314 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, July 28 2000 Volume 04 : Number 314 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: What Phrase [spychicr@aol.compoot (RAI-- Random Access Insanity)] Re: quick additions to Bottom Line 7/25 [ACW ] Re: What Phrase [ACW ] Re: Prosperous Future ! [richardbutterworth@my-deja.com] Re: Top 5 Fruvous Songs [richardbutterworth@my-deja.com] Re: cute fru moment [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: cute fru moment ["Daancing Queen" ] Re: Semi OT: GBS (was: What Phrase) ["Daancing Queen" ] Re: What Phrase [Katherine Maheux ] Re: What Phrase [Katherine Maheux ] Re: Workshop Woes [Katherine Maheux ] Re: What Phrase [Katherine Maheux ] Re: Top 5 Fruvous Songs [Chad Maloney ] Workshop Woes [Katherine Maheux ] Re: What Phrase [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: Hidden camera follows teenage girl on date [Chad Maloney ] Re: Timing Is Everything ! [Nafs ] new apparel? [lunab1219@aol.com (LunaB1219)] Re: Hidden camera follows teenage girl on date [Ellen ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Jul 2000 04:02:28 GMT From: spychicr@aol.compoot (RAI-- Random Access Insanity) Subject: Re: What Phrase <> ::gets what Lawrence is getting at:: That "Sad Today" song... It's a good one, huh? It's kinda funny and seriously disturbing. Although, I have always been one for disturbing songs. --Rai --Good one Fake Triplet.... ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~* ~ This realization came to me: I am a teenybopper at heart. Dang. ::goes back to listening to her new Hanson CD in shame:: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:39:34 GMT From: ACW Subject: Re: quick additions to Bottom Line 7/25 In article , Jason A Hare wrote: > The song that Dave played solo is called "Every Grain of Sand." Yes, > by Bob Dylan and it's amazing. I hate Bob Dylan's voice, so it's so > frustrating that I just happen to love all of his lyrics. As I said to Dave after the show, "It was as if Bob Dylan could really sing!" and it was utterly beautiful. He got the phrasing and the inflections just right, but more than that he captured the poetic sense of the words. Listening to Dave sing "Every Grain of Sand" was close to a religious experience, which is a testament to both the song and the singer. You couldn't find a Dylan song to contrast more sharply with that one than "Lenny Bruce," either. I thought that was pretty cool. My other post-show quip was that Fruvous should try a Dylan tribute album. Now *that* would be interesting. Oh. Re. - --Amanda, back from NYC and decided to check in Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:04:30 GMT From: ACW Subject: Re: What Phrase In article <20000725.163432.-146917.2.whollyword@juno.com>, Rachel R Beck wrote: > > So new question...what phrase in a Früvous song makes you feel > incredible?< What do you know? I'm bored too... I wouldn't say "incredible" but I've always thought "Day always breaks; night always falls" is kind of heart-rending -- if something can be kind so -- and I'm not sure I've heard anything truer than "Poor little fat cats, nothing anyone planned on..." but of course, I think MPG is very well written as a whole. - --Amanda How's my day? http://koogle.diaryland.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:52:48 GMT From: richardbutterworth@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Prosperous Future ! I'm afraid people, I have to inform you that this whole thing is a scam. And the Forces of Evil and Corruption Chad and Ellen (who are actually one and the same person, really named Albert Snooks, a fire-eating transvestite from Peru) are implicit in beguiling the hopeless and witless into this nefarious scheme. A `university diploma' is in fact nothing to do with education at all, but is the common name for a breed of small brown duck native to the Austrian alps. I have one here, and am willing to send MP3s of it quacking as proof of the veracity of my assertions. Yours duckily, etc, Richard Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:06:22 GMT From: richardbutterworth@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Top 5 Fruvous Songs In article , Super Dave wrote: > Who originally performed/wrote "Message"? > That would be the almost listenable 70's disco disaster, comprising the Brothers Grimm, er, Gibb, and some of the most alarming hairstyles and dentistry known to rational science. They are known collectively as The GeeBees. No, the EegEebs, or was that EgeEbs? Possibly. wild Bill has just phoned me to say `Its the BeeGees, you hopeless limey.' Never a truer word spoken. Thank you Bill. Yours almost on topic, f'heavens' sake, etc, Richard Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 2000 13:08:16 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: cute fru moment If they aren't the type of people to analyze deeply the meaning of a song, then what makes you think they'd miscontstrue it at all?! Who says Britany Spears can or should be credited with any deeper meaning than just a catchy tune with lyrics that get stuck in your head?! And really, what's wrong with that? You can't be deep and meaningful all the time. And Sara, you turned out smashing, darling! :) Veronica (who's list of fondest memories includes walking home from Alfie's - a haven for pop, "silly" music and that's the way we like it - with her friends singing "Oops" at the top of their lungs. And don't even get me started at what we do when S Club Party starts up!) - -- *************************************************************************** "On the sixth day, God created | Veronica Gruneberg the platypus. And God said: let's | Dept. of Biology see the evolutionists try to figure | Queen's University this one out!!" | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:30:18 EDT From: "Daancing Queen" Subject: Re: cute fru moment >From: Cameron Ross >for the most part I'd agree with that, but frankly I'm >not a big fan of the idea of little boys/girls going >around with "Hit me baby one more time," or "Oops, I >did it again" stuck in there heads! I mean, "Oops" is >about toying with guys and using them, what a >wonderful message to send up... and the spice girls? I never said these songs had good messages. :) I was very disturbed when I was a camp counsellor a few years back and my kids were running around singing "shut up and sleep with me" or my girl guides singing Oasis songs about getting high. But you know, they really didn't know what they were singing about (you can argue that kids today know about things younger and younger, but no, in these cases, they didn't know what they were singing) - it's like watching kid's cartoons when you're an adult, you suddenly realize there's a whole other level to it that you didn't notice when you were a kid because you just didn't know. My first "grown-up tape" (as opposed to my Raffi albums) was Madonna's "Like a Virgin" when I was 7. An innocent little 7 year old running around singing "Like a virgin, touched for the very first time" - sounds disturbing yes? But I had no clue - neither did my friends. I'm sure if I went back and found some of my other tapes, there were many more examples of the same. Madonna's dress sense was equally no better than Brittany's in terms of being a role model either. Yes, there is definately some music that is not for kids (Bloodhound Gand and Eminem come to mind) but then again, my original argument was not whether or not this type of music was suitable for children, but that the fact that people should really not put down other people's music. Sara ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:41:56 EDT From: "Daancing Queen" Subject: Re: Semi OT: GBS (was: What Phrase) >From: Chad Maloney >Serious, actually. That's my interp of Sahara in a couple sentences *Grin* Huh. Live and learn. :) The whole "Rat Pack" thing though is still throwing me though. Not sure where you're getting that from. But then again, Sahara is one of my least favourite songs (and I have a tendency to mix it up with No No Raja, which I'm also not a big fan of), so I haven't spent any of my time figuring out it's meaning. Actually, I don't think I've spent any time figuring out the meaning of any of the songs - so, this Green Eggs & Ham thing, what the heck do you think that's all about? Sara ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:42:27 EDT From: "Daancing Queen" Subject: Re: Back on topic (was: GBS (was: What Phrase)) >From: Chad Maloney >Serious, actually. That's my interp of Sahara in a couple sentences *Grin* Huh. Live and learn. :) The whole "Rat Pack" thing though is still throwing me though. Not sure where you're getting that from. But then again, Sahara is one of my least favourite songs (and I have a tendency to mix it up with No No Raja, which I'm also not a big fan of), so I haven't spent any of my time figuring out it's meaning. Actually, I don't think I've spent any time figuring out the meaning of any of the songs - so, this Green Eggs & Ham thing, what the heck do you think that's all about? Sara ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:16:55 -0500 From: MAILER-DAEMON Subject: Alternatives to NAPSTER(R) 95762149 We must find alternate ways of sharing, trading and buying music! When I heard of the NAPSTER(R) situation, my friends and I set up AudioAttic.Net! Bare with us, as it is new and help spread the word! http://www.audioattic.net AKOECCGG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:54:23 GMT From: richardbutterworth@my-deja.com Subject: Re: What Phrase In article <000d719a.98002f05@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>, Ellen wrote (but only once): > so what lyric(s) make(s) you cringe? > > ok so i figure this has to be about the worst lyric ever written, > courtesy the fine lads of Def Leppard: > > "make love!/like a man!/i'm a man!/that's what i am!" I feel I must add to this particular dustbin the classic Judas Priest lyrics from the seminally crap `Turbo' album: `I'm your turbo lover. Tell me there's no other.' WH Auden eat your heart out. And by the magic of lateral typing I can bring this thread round on-topic by pointing out that Judas Priest stayed in the same hotel as most of the frufans at NoHo'98. And, people correct me if I'm wrong, but Zard's post- gig party went on much longer than their's did. Yours kickin' in ta ooooverdrive, etc, Richard Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:22:24 -0700 From: Ellen Subject: Re: What Phrase "Adam Hartfield" wrote: >"wildbill" wrote: >> (repeated until you wish you had a tack hammer and could smack >> yourself in the temples with it) >100% content free ah, this thread has gone exactly where i hoped it would. so what lyric(s) make(s) you cringe? and before anyone quotes "Live and Let Die," let me clear up one thing: it's not "this everchanging world in which we live in." it's "this everchanging world in which we're living." OK? ok so i figure this has to be about the worst lyric ever written, courtesy the fine lads of Def Leppard: "make love!/like a man!/i'm a man!/that's what i am!" i believe they reached new heights of lyrical suckitude with that one. i don't think anything further needs to be said. fruvous lines that make me cringe: "Happy birthday Tricia, I'm in the Michigan Militia." has always struck me as being really contrived. like, they needed something that rhymed with "militia" and had the right number of syllables to make and end-rhyme of it. so they came up with Tricia, and figured that the speaker could be saying "happy birthday" to her over and over, since "happy birthday" had the right number of syllables. of course, it's probably based on a true story of some MM guy writing to his fiancee tricia to wish her a happy birthday, and then i'd feel silly. i've already been lambasted for saying that "step into my shoes, bastard" is wrong wrong SO wrong. it's the "bastard" i have a problem with (the rest of the line is great). bastard is an insult that really needs to be spit forth with as much venom as possible. not drawn out a few extra syllables. and the overall tone of the song is quiet desperation, not rage. and then there's this line that so many people seem to love: "If you can't see dreams, your eyes are blind" because it's one thing if your ears or your knees are blind. but if your *eyes* are blind, you're really screwed. also, i just don't get this line's place in the song. it sounds pretty and all that, but it doesn't really make sense or fit the story told in the song. what does that have to do with a couple bidding a sad farewell to their love? anyway. peace, ellen - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:26:53 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: What Phrase wildbill wrote: > I bet if I made a mix tape of nothing but dance tunes that would > be akin to chinese water torture.. Sounds like my work environment. Good thing I don't mind brainless pop songs, because the videostore runs a tape that loops every few hours and features such great artists as Britney Spears and Enrique Iglesias. Although I could REALLY live without ole Harry Iglesias. hKath ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:38:16 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: What Phrase ACW wrote: - - and I'm not sure I've heard anything truer than "Poor little > fat cats, nothing anyone planned on..." but of course, I think MPG is > very well written as a whole. I loved My Poor Generation, until I realized that Dave-o is becoming Cajun Man from Saturday Night Live. "Lost in Union Sta-SHUN... My Poor Genera-SHUN..." Now I can't get the image out of my head. Nah, just kidding, it's still one of my favourites. Kath ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:00:15 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: Workshop Woes Katherine Maheux wrote: > Anyway, after Horseshoes, the four non-Edgers ignored our loud cries of > "Ooh! I have a question! Sir? How is that On The Edge?" and moved back > onto Stacey Earle. Yes, they were all sitting on top of Stacey Earle. A little too bony to be comfortable, if you ask me. Kath ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:35:33 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Re: What Phrase Ellen wrote: > ah, this thread has gone exactly where i hoped it would. > > so what lyric(s) make(s) you cringe? Oooh! Here's my chance to post my beef about Cheap Trick to a whole newsgroup of people who don't care! OK. People, try to top this. Is there ANY lyric in the world more brain-numbingly moronic than... "I want you to want me... I need you to need me... I'd love you to love me..." I mean, how much time does it take to come up with that? And did you actually have to get off the toilet and fetch a pen so that you could remember it later? I'm calm, really. Kath (this animated and slightly disgusting post brought to you by goats. http://www.goats.com -> For those times when even I can't fulfill your profanity needs) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:08:46 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Top 5 Fruvous Songs BBWMinors wrote: [snippage] > But it would seem "FTR" and "Grudge" would be naturals for CDs. WARNING!!! CHAD'S OPINION ALERT!!! Well, to me, some songs just don't click or work out completely as group songs. I'm sure they tried to make both those songs work as a band (Grudge more visibly as it was played at what, 3 shows? and in 2 different forms?). I agree totally that Follow the Road is very Downsizing-ish. When Thornhill came out, that's why I figured they both weren't on there. Follow the Road is very good stripped down though. Of course I've never heard Downsizing stripped down, so who knows. But anyways, hopefully Follow the Road has a future one way or another. Grudge I have no idea what happened to it. The first performance in Buffalo in November of 98 was really good. I mean it was rough, but comparing it to first Half as Much or the first I Will Hold On, it was relatively show ready (I remember the first I Will Hold On performance at MIT 1998 as very weak, but promising - once they learned how to play it *grin*). I think they played it again at a Clinton show and then it appeared again in Toronto right before they recorded Thornhill and it was a lot more tougher. Maybe they were trying to make it fit into the concept of the album, it failed and so it didn't make the album? Dunno, but that would make sense to me. Anyways, there's my thoughts on it. Take them for what they are worth. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:51:13 GMT From: Katherine Maheux Subject: Workshop Woes Ellen wrote: > in retrospect, they did kind of the same thing last year, doing > Boss and Killer Tents in the Non-Mushy Love Songs workshop. but > that wasn't a tribute to anyone. promoting your own agenda in a > tribute workshop is just kind of cheesy, IMO. This is reminding me a lot of Mariposa's On The Edge workshop, which Früvous were hosting. Stacy Earle plays a new, edgy gritty country song. The Burns Sisters do a version of "I Can't Stand The Rain" that made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. Stephen Fearing does... (something I can't remember, but that must have been on the edge somehow, or else that would make my point less valid). The Moxy Früvous gets up and performs a rousing rendition of... Horseshoes. I was trying not to laugh, I swear I was, but about halfway through the song I leaned over to Donna and whispered: "Um, how is this On The Edge?" and we both just cracked up. Or at least I did. Because, as you all know, there isn't a song in this universe that has been played more (or changed less) in the past four years. Not even King of Spain. And it's not even "edgy" (whatever that means) to begin with. Anyway, after Horseshoes, the four non-Edgers ignored our loud cries of "Ooh! I have a question! Sir? How is that On The Edge?" and moved back onto Stacey Earle. Which confirmed my ongoing theory that they just have very bad workshop judgement. There have been some very excellent workshops in the past (most of which had something to do with the inclusion of Blow Wind Blow, which they probably don't have time for anymore), but there have been some whoppingly bad ones as well. Kath ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 2000 16:29:53 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: What Phrase Kath asked if there is any lyric most mind numbing thatn Cheap Trick... I would like to wager yes, and as proof I offer exhibit A (or the first thing that came to my mind, whatever). "I'm blue, da ba dee..." Fun song to dance to in the middle of the night after a few Mike's Cranberry and the requiste warm up of a shot of tequila (was anyone else aware that there is a "global tequlia shortage"? Trot on over to your local LCBO or equivalent if you don't believe me) but yeesh!! Enough already! :) Veronica - -- *************************************************************************** "On the sixth day, God created | Veronica Gruneberg the platypus. And God said: let's | Dept. of Biology see the evolutionists try to figure | Queen's University this one out!!" | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:37:10 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Hidden camera follows teenage girl on date hbnblk@civnxvhcfm.net wrote: > > Watch a teenage cheerleader go down on her boyfriend 'til he > explodes like Mount St. Helens. So I'm sitting here with my UNIVERSITY DIPLOMAS and an ice cream sandwich when I'm wondering what I should be doing right now. Yes, even the rich and prosperous transvestites of Peru get bored sometimes. Then I know exactly what I needed. I had an uncontrollable inner urge driving me and this was it: I wanted to watch a teenage cheerleader go down on her boyfriend 'til he explodes like Mount St. Helens. But you know what? Even with all my UNIVERSITY DIPLOMAS, I had no idea where to find that. No idea at all. I felt dishearted. Like my entire world had falled down around me. But then, THEN I saw the message from hbnblk@civnxvhcfm.net. It was like my prayers were answered! Thank you hbnblk@civnxvhcfm.net! - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:32:13 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Semi OT: GBS (was: What Phrase) Daancing Queen wrote: > > >From: Chad Maloney > >Serious, actually. That's my interp of Sahara in a couple sentences *Grin* > > Huh. Live and learn. :) The whole "Rat Pack" thing though is still > throwing me though. Not sure where you're getting that from. The Sahara is a major Vegas hotel which housed a lot of stars and had a lot of top acts in the 50's and 60's. Big names stayed there at the height of Las Vegas as an entertainment capital and it was the one of the king of ritzy and wealth. The Rat Pack was Frank Sinatra, Joey Bishop, Sammy Davis Jr, and Dean Martin. They pretty much were the kings of Vegas at the time and wherever they went was the hip place. They lived decadent lives and that was the in thing at that time, what everyone tried to do. So, what I meant by "a metaphor for the entire mystique and driving force behind the Rat Pack era" I kinda meant the entire zeitgeist that drove that time in Las Vegas. Where the people everyone looked up to be, envied, and were jealous of was 4 young men who went everywhere together and did whatever they wanted because they had the money to do it. The whole strip was theirs to use and they used it. Make more sense yet? - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:57:47 -0400 From: Nafs Subject: Re: Timing Is Everything ! Yes, Timing IS Everything And those of you who were at the Mel Lastman Square show a few years ago will be relieved to learn that the time finally came for Jian's "Keith Spicer and his kids 'The Spicer Girls'" joke. He delivered it flawlessly and in an appropriate context at a workshop at Mariposa. Nafs - ------ Frucon 3: brought to you by Poverty! Because sometimes, you just can't afford to laminate things! - Kath http://frucon.tripod.com ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 2000 17:15:32 GMT From: lunab1219@aol.com (LunaB1219) Subject: new apparel? A couple months ago, before the C album was released, Tobey mentioned something about having "C" shirts or ballcaps. We're heading out to the Vermont show on Sunday and I was wondering if anyone saw a show were they had some of the new merchandise? Im hoping they do! Lainie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:22:29 -0700 From: Ellen Subject: Re: Hidden camera follows teenage girl on date Chad Maloney wrote: > > It was > like my prayers were answered! Thank you hbnblk@civnxvhcfm.net! Chad, stop making the spam fun. that's not what it's there for. peace, ellen (and i don't even get the original spam message, just Chad's replies. which makes it ever better) - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:11:02 -0400 From: Nafs Subject: Re: What Phrase Veronica nominated the lyrics to "Blue" sung by Eiffel 65, or 54, or whatever, as 'most mind-numbing'. I'm here to submit my nomination for 'most irritating'. (Everyone who knows me and sees my nick on this thread already knows what group I'm going to be posting about I'm sure) In Exhibit A for "never get someone whose first language isn't English to write your songs" we have: As time goes by you will get to know me a little more better (from "I'll Never Break Your Heart", performed by the Backstreet Boys) I cringe each and every time I hear it. It's like someone running their fingernails against a blackboard. I cannot sing the line and I'm not sure if I admire or loathe the singer for being able to carry it off. Of course maybe I'm just an anal English major. Nafs - ------ Frucon 3: brought to you by Poverty! Because sometimes, you just can't afford to laminate things! - Kath http://frucon.tripod.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #314 ********************************************