From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #312 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, July 27 2000 Volume 04 : Number 312 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 7-25- [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Re: What Phrase [richardbutterworth@my-deja.com] Top 5 fruvous songs [Emma Young ] Re: FRFF afterthoughts [Ellen ] Re: What Phrase [emaphlegma@aol.com (Emaphlegma)] Re: Top 5 Fruvous Songs [Super Dave ] Re: Top 5 fruvous songs [Super Dave ] Re: Semi OT: GBS (was: What Phrase) [Chad Maloney ] Re: general favorite song quotes [Cameron Ross ] Re: What Phrase [wildbill ] Re: Prosperous Future ! [Chad Maloney ] Re: Semi OT: GBS (was: What Phrase) ["Daancing Queen" ] Bottom Line - 7/26/2000 [dead@thwip.polyamory.org, from@thwip.polyamory.o] Re: What Phrase ["Adam Hartfield" ] Re: What Phrase [Fiona ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Jul 2000 05:08:00 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: 7-25- hey all-- I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents about last night's show. Now, perhaps it was because I haven't seen a "full length" (i.e., not "festival length") show in a few months, or maybe its just the general groovy ambience of the Bottom Line, but I thought the show was exceptionally good. Since the set list's already been posted, I'll just throw in what I can remember of the banter: [DISCLAIMER: my retellting of banter is woefully inadequate. Flip the humor level up several notches, and you'll get the idea] (and a brief note from the future: this wound up way longer than I expected, but what can I say? They talk a lot ;-) >>some monitor banter<< Jian: I'm about to say something that I don't think I've ever said before.... Can I get a little more Murray and Dave in the monitor? >>Big Apple banter<< Basically, to the effect of, in "Evita," there's a song that refers to Beunos Aires as "the big apple" (and sings a bit, to prove the point ;-) Jian says that he was going to say it was great to be in the big apple again, but there might be those in the audience for whom that phrase would be confusing. Murray points out its a very ethnocentric usage of the phrase. >>talk of a protracted set<<< Jian says that the band feels an obligation to play a "protracted" set. Silence from the audience. "That means long." (It does not, however, mean you'll need a protrator to measure it ;-) as the banter has already gone on for several minutes (most of which I forget ;-), Murray points out that "you're well on your way." Jian mentions that he's going to give his play by play-- every 2 songs, we'll get his perspective on the evening. We can pretend it's a reality TV show, and he's in the confessional. Like survivor ('tomorrow night at 8!"). >>the need to pace themselves - the worst show they ever did was at Bottom Line in 1994 when they opened for Peter H.)<< Jian explains that the *reason* the band feels the need for the protracted set is because they played their worst show ever at the Bottom Line. Murray says something to the effect of, "I know it's surprising, but we do occaisionally have bad shows." Jian says that they've actually only had 1 bad show, and it was here--their first show ever in the U.S. They were the young upstarts from Canada, and all these big important people had come to see them, "and we were so nervous we couldn't even.... we couldn't even..." Murray: "sing." So that's why tonight's show would be long-- like a springsteen show. Mike: "not *that* long" somewhere in here, as Jian is talking, someone from the audince yells "Can we get a little more murray in the monitor?" ;-) Jian: "ahh.. a smart ass. This guy-- I wasn't going to say anything about this guy, but since he started it..." During horseshoes, JIan explains how he watching this guy and how right on the beat at the pause of the music, the guy takes a great big bite of chicken, nearly ruining his compsure for the "serious song." Jian: Murray, what happens when you murder a chicken? Murray: uhhh.. I don't know. What does happen when you murder a chicken? Jian: C'mon-- I'm trying to do a transition to the next song.. Murray: ahhhhh... It goes "Splitta Splatta" >>talk about how in 10 years all phones will be cell phones, or something like that<< It started out with Dave pointing out how, in Lazy Boy, they used the phrase "cellular" to describe the "mobile phone," and how at the time it was this new technology. Mike (I think): Well, Dave-o, frvuous has some ephemeral songs. Murray: Like us still claiming to be 25 in the Gulf War Song Jian: Well, what do we call the cellular phones now? Dave: mobile phones. Jian: noo... cell phones. Like cellular. Anway, they go into some odd discussion that I didn't completely follow, about how soon they're songs will be dated about 10 years, the opposite of TLC, who look about 10 years into the future for their songs to come up with lingo like "scrubs." And what will dcell phones be called in 10 years? phones. >>- Sad Girl (done on a piano, not electric keys - it was so pretty)<< Jian's intro here went something like:I'm going to create my own reality show. It'll be like survivor, but there will be only britney and christina. And then you can vote them off, and after that, it'll be just 15 weeks of looking at the island. >>Like Every Grain of Sand (a Dylan ? tune done solo by Dave on piano) << *this* was one of my favorite moments of the whole night. There's just something about Dave alone at a piano that's very moving. It was a beautiful rendition... >>Independence Day << Murray's into: This is song about when you feel really down, and you want to destroy not only yourself, but everything around you. ... *Really* down. Mike: I wish you would have told us that before we recorded it... >>Heatseeker Boy<< Mike: A song about everything that's right and then wrong with the music industry, and then right again at the end. <<- a few bars of Welcome to C by Jian on piano into a tune he said he'd finished writing at Bottom Line - - - Natalia (Jian's tune - also solo on piano) >> This was all very cute. He was obviously nervous, or else just really playing the "oh boy, I'm nervous" card. He said he was going to play a song that he'd only played for two poeple, and that the rest of the band hadn't even heard it yet. And that, frankly, he was a lot more nervous about playing it for them then playing it for us. He explains "the way the we work, someone will briong a song to the band, and everything's very cordial. no one will ever say 'that song's crap.' Instead there's just a very fine line between, 'oh yeah, that-- that was just great,' and 'yeah....great.' Which makes you just go 'well, maybe I'll just file that song away for awhile...' He explains that he was down at the Bottom Line in February writing a song with "my friend Dar Willims " (cheers from the audience). "Yeah, don't let how great she is raise your expectations about this song." Anyway, the two of them were writing, but this song really had nothing to do with her "so don't let whatever you think of this song reflect on her at all." He had finished writing the song at that very piano, and was going to play it on guitar, because he was more comfortable with that instrument, but decided not to, becuase, this was the piano. Anyway, onto the song. The basic premise, as far I could gather (keep in mind, it's generally really hard for me to process lyrics on the first listen) is that there are two people in the relationship: Natalia has a drinking problem. She doesn't have the strength to stop drinking on her own-- she needs someone to make her stop-- but the narrator cares for her so much that he doesn't have the strength to take that stand for her. So eventuaklly, in order fro her to get better, he has to let her go so someone else can help her recover. I think, I could be wrong ;-) Another happy fruvous love song ;-) Overall, it's a really beautiful song. My only issue with it is similar to my issue with "when she talks"-- the opening phrase being a little trite: "when she talks, I listen," seems a comparable opening to "Natalia, put the bottle down." Once past that phrase, however, I really liked the imagery and the cadence of the piece. Very pretty. >> BooTime << the only line I remember is "killer 'skeeters." Damn encephilitis ;-) >>Dave = Drums & Percussion<< this, IMHO, was the greatest part of the whole "pick a band member out of a hat" thing. I just so easily picture dave as the master of all instruments. He kinda resembled a chicken flapping his wings here. Murray was egging him on a bit :"you know, I can't quite make out the beat." The whole thing was rather priceless ;-) >>- Love Set Fire (Murray - solo) << "The other guys are all being rather adventerous. I, on the other hand, am going to play a fruvous song. The adventure for you lies in watching me try to play the guitar... well, at least that's where the adventure lies for *me*." This, too, was just beautiful. >>The Dylan song Fordy did was "Lenny Bruce",< Yet again, a great rendition. I love this "each member gets a solo" thing. It just reinforces to me that, though IMHO the band may be greater than the sum of its parts, each of the "parts" is a really strong adn compelling performer in his own right. Afterwords, Jian (I think) assured the audience that both him and murray, and then him and murray together would be playing dylan songs later in the set. When they came out for the first encore, Dave sits down at the piano and starts in on "How many roads..... just kidding" ;-) Moving on to a small bit of banter in, I think, the second encore. Jian explaining how they'll be playing here agian tomorrow night. ("If tonight was a 9 out of 10, tomorrow should probably be like a 7.5") And then Mike makes some comment about the audince instead deciding to check out the act at the knititng factory (which is another music club in NYC). Jian syas he pictures Allen Pepper (the CEO, or what have you, of the Bottom Line) talking to the proprietor of the knitting factory at that moment, trying to set up a deal ("yes, i think we should ddefinitely collaborate in the future...") as that phrase is being uttered. A knitting needle goes crashing to the floor. Murray pictures a knitting needle stabbed into Allen Pepper's front door... and so on... Jian :"You know what's really funny? How we could just continue this conversation backstage *after* the show." Audience cheers, implying "stop tlaking and play the song." it was funny. ok, the end. ;-) Like I said, woefully inadequate retelling, but I wasn't about to take notes, and that's the best I could do (sorry, Sara ;-). Wish I could've gone again tonight, but alas, life and work call... ~jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Wouldn't it be great if the band just never ended?" --Great Big Sea "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:02:38 GMT From: richardbutterworth@my-deja.com Subject: Re: What Phrase In article <17a2d5d4.5911b560@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com>, wildbill wrote: > say goodbye, lose your friends, make them go, don't need them > around > (happier, guster) > > see the young man sitting in the old man's bar, waiting for his > turn to die. > (broadway, goo goo dolls) > > the devil's not in the details, no the devil is in my pants, its > shoot first, appologize later, another quick end to a short shit > romance. > (everything falls apart, dog's eye view) Blimey Bill, sounds like your record collection is a complete laugh riot. Yes folks, you too can get this limited edition compilation CD of Wild Bill's Songs to Take a Big Bottle of Pills to and Sit in the Bath with a Toaster. In order to receive this special presentation CD you need send us no money, just write us in your will to the tune of $11.99 and your CD will be delivered by rapid delivery hearse. Yours hearing the approach of a pale horserider, etc, Richard Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:56:38 +0100 From: Emma Young Subject: Top 5 fruvous songs I'm feeling amazingly left out! I live in the UK and only have a copy of Barginville which I bought while in Toronto, and although I know I can buy the others over the internet I can't afford to abuse my VISA card anymore!! I don't know half the songs that you're all listing sob sob. Emma (sorry if you get this twice it doesn't seem to have appeared so I'm sending it again!) Shannon White wrote: > Does anyone have any top 5 fruvous songs? Excellent question. So hard to pin > it down to 5 but... > > 1. Bittersweet > 2. Poor Mary Lane > 3. Sahara (especially the extended version) > 4. Fly > 5. Earthquakes (would love to hear this live) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 06:32:30 -0700 From: Ellen Subject: Re: FRFF afterthoughts trace@fruhead.com (Trace) wrote: > but I understand that it is not uncommon for festivals > to simply assign artists to do workshops. I don't know if that > is how FRFF works, but I can imagine Fruvous getting word that > they'll be doing the Guthrie workshop and the Gospel Wake Up > Hour. :-) lol trace makes a good point; this occurred to me, but it doesn't really change my opinion of the guthrie workshop performance. whether they chose to do it or not, they obviously prepared for it, but then decided to do their own thing anyway, and that's what i thought was tacky. and yeah, i was really intrigued by the choice of fruvous for the gospel workshop, too. a lot of ppl seemed to think they'd do Blow Wind Blow, which puzzles me. there's nothing at all gospel about BWB except maybe the mention of Judgment Day (i don't think jian's pope verse could be considered gospel in any church). last year i would have said that the if it's the FRFF organizers deciding who does which workshop, then they try to put artists in workshops according to their strengths. but the workshops fruvous did this year mostly didn't bear that out. maybe they really wanted to challenge fruvous this year. *shrug* in any case, i think they did a nice job in the gospel workshop (erm except that jian's not the best person to sing lead on I Shall Be Released). that was the one i would have expected them to cut up a little in, but they seemed to take it pretty seriously. i was impressed with that. plus, i was grateful to hear ISBR again; i didn't think i'd ever hear that one again. ;) peace, ellen - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 2000 15:26:13 GMT From: emaphlegma@aol.com (Emaphlegma) Subject: Re: What Phrase hey, i love Guster too how about his one..."Melanie nu nu nu nu nu nu nu nu!"....just kidding, i do think that song is really funny. "Go save someone else, im way past gone"~ Guster ~Mel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:45:28 -0500 From: Super Dave Subject: Re: Top 5 Fruvous Songs On 27 Jul 2000 aprestin@ccs.neu.garbage.edu wrote: >Favorite 5 covers, though it wasn't asked: >4. Message - without a doubt Who originally performed/wrote "Message"? David - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We must love each other or die." --W. H. Auden "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." --Mahatma Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:55:50 -0500 From: Super Dave Subject: Re: Top 5 fruvous songs On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Emma Young wrote: >I'm feeling amazingly left out! I live in the UK and only have a copy of > >Barginville which I bought while in Toronto, and although I know I can >buy the >others over the internet I can't afford to abuse my VISA card anymore!! >I don't know half the songs that you're all listing sob sob. Why don't you check out Napster? Also, you could go to CD Now or Amazon and listen to clips of some these songs from their other albums. David - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We must love each other or die." --W. H. Auden "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." --Mahatma Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:15:37 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Semi OT: GBS (was: What Phrase) Daancing Queen wrote: > > >From: kyla > >"Wouldn't it be great if the band just never ended?" -Consequence Free, > >GBS > > For the sake of conversation, I'm going to debate this as a good quote. :) > > Yes, it is very cool - and I like it, it works in it's spot in the song. > It's a good line, it's a cool song. > > BUT....at the same time, it really really bugs me. It's too contrived (is > that the right word? sounds good to me). It's like the band put it in > because it's the type of line that will get a audience to cheer wildly > (which is achieves quite well). I always feel so "fake" when I follow along > so sheeplike. I don't claim to know this GBS song well. I've heard it. I can sing that line in my head no problem. But I don't know in context what the song is about. But I do have something Fruvous related to through, just for kicks. I used to get the same feeling in Sahara at the line: We had no fears, the band played for a thousand years, or was it just a mirage? Then I looked at the actual words of the song and figured out what it meant in context and it made a whole lot more sense and was, at the same time, a lot more sadening. The band was a metaphor for the entire mystique and driving force behind the Rat Pack era. The band playing for 1,000 years makes them seem invincible. Eh, nevermind *Grin* - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:08:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Cameron Ross Subject: Re: general favorite song quotes > Not to nitpick back, but I'm pretty sure it *is* Ben > Lee (little Aussie > kid...cute guy). The song is "Burn to Shine" from > the CD _Breathing > Tornadoes_ I mean, if you've got a Ben Harper song > with the same line, > send it to me....I'd be pretty impressed. > > -Taylor (of the Tacky Hawaiian Shirt) blink... wow, I'm surprised of ben harper..... I would have imagined that if he'd cover a song, he wouldn't name the album after the covered song.... But yeah, I'll send it too you :), just find me on IRC one day, great song eh? Life101 - Wishing he read liner notes more carefully __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:46:19 -0700 From: wildbill Subject: Re: What Phrase Richard, you limey! What would you know about good music anyways? *laugh* I think you have too much Kate Rusby on the brain, its clouded your good judgement (assuming that you have good judgement). Anyways, the really depressing songs typically have better lyrics which stick with me vs. the really dumb happy tunes which make me feel good but typically because of a good melody not because some bloke has just gotten his drink and snak on. Its difficult to post the lyrics to dance tunes, you know... please don't go, please don't go, (repeated until you wish you had a tack hammer and could smack yourself in the temples with it) I love you so.. hmmm. now there is some lyrics for you. I bet if I made a mix tape of nothing but dance tunes that would be akin to chinese water torture.. or better yet, you could force someone to listen to the del rubio triplets.. mu ha ha ha ha... "wild" Bill (why oh why can't work be fun) - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:02:17 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Prosperous Future ! Sandra wrote: > > UNIVERSITY DIPLOMAS I just have to say that this may look like spam to you, but I am living testament to it's power and truth. See me be successful in my work place and my life. I am living a fullfilled, meaningful existence, not because of my own merits and ingenuity, but because of my UNIVERSITY DIPLOMAS. I'm on track to a more prosperus future. I can buy ice cream sandwiches from the Ding-A-Ling Man in his fruity truck whenever I want. I am my own man. I control my destiny. The bucks just roll into my awaiting hands. I could not be what I am without my UNIVERSITY DIPLOMA along with the free sexual favors I hand out to anyone with any power at all. That is money earning power, my friend. I walk down the street with my head held high and the Ding-A-Ling Man stops for me! When I look upon my wall, I see the joy and the pain I had to put into to earn my PhD in Lactose-based Dessert Item Engineering. But when I show the Ding-A-Ling Man my papers, the gleam in his eye says that he knows and respects my understanding of his products and how they are built. How did I earn this respect? This dignity? This self-esteem that keeps me right in this world and fills my hands with the loving joy of two slices of chocalaty goodness with vanilla yummy ice cream wedged between? Tests? Books? Classes? Interviews? Nope. I paid money. I snuck up behing the capitalistic bull and kicked him in the balls and like a whimpering weakling, he crawled back to me on his hands and knees to do my bidding! Muhuahuha. And that, my friends, is my testimony to you. I implore you to get off your lazy asses and DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIVES. Do you want to be an MIT-certified clown mechanic? A Pastry Removal Engineer? A "Computer Scientist"? Call now! What? You don't trust the place? Think it might be a scam? If my moving testimony didn't sway you, consider this: they are open 24 hours a day! 7 days a week! Even holidays! Only respectable businesses would do that because irrespected bums are lazy and take holidays off! And you too can take holidays off once you have your UNIVERSITY DIPLOMA, the secret to everything your heart desires... and more. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:21:32 EDT From: "Daancing Queen" Subject: Re: Semi OT: GBS (was: What Phrase) >I don't claim to know this GBS song well. I've heard it. I can sing >that line in my head no problem. But I don't know in context what >the song is about. There is no context - just different examples of having being consequence free. :) >Then I looked at the actual words of the song and figured out what >it meant in context and it made a whole lot more sense and was, at >the same time, a lot more sadening. The band was a metaphor for >the entire mystique and driving force behind the Rat Pack era. The >band playing for 1,000 years makes them seem invincible. I have no idea if you are being sarcastic, serious, or what, Chad. You mystify me (but I am happy to know that I do indeed exist. Er, nevermind ) Sara ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:14:20 -0700 From: Ellen Subject: Re: Prosperous Future ! qau19@fepesmig.br (Sandra) wrote: >Diplomas from prestigious non-accredited >universities based on your present knowledge >and life experience. > >No required tests, classes, books, or interviews. > >Bachelors, masters, MBA, and doctorate (PhD) >diplomas available in the field of your choice. Chad's right, y'all! I just received my UNIVERSITY DIPLOMAS in the mail. Forget that Master's in Biochemistry that it took me 6 years of classes and research to get! I just got PhDs in Concert Roadtripping and Indian Food Appreciation, and an MFA in Glitter Application. Tomorrow I'm getting the PhD I requested in Guacamole Preparation and I think after that, I'll go for the Masters in Palm Pilot Rummy. If I beat the computer 400 more times, I might even qualify for the PhD program. This could change your life! peace, ellen (i can feel the respect wafting my way already) - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:31:59 GMT From: dead@thwip.polyamory.org, from@thwip.polyamory.org, the@thwip.polyamory.org, neck@thwip.polyamory.org, up@home.com (DeadHead) Subject: Bottom Line - 7/26/2000 OK Friends - Real quick, before I dash off to work, here's the setlist from last night. We'd have posted it last night, but we were tired. This working mom doesn't as well as she used to on 4 hours of sleep! It was another terrific, energy packed show (and well worth losing sleep over!). - - Michigan Militia - - Jockey Full of Bourbon some banter about this show being a 5-7 on the 1-10 scale, horses and Jane Sibbery (?) - - Heatseeker Boy banter: Mike's the plant from Burma, Canadian Constitution, Fred Spicer - - Kids Song - - Fly banter: The knob fell off and see what happens - - - My Poor Generation Jian describes the 3 boss types with examples (I can't read Tim's notes here) from the lads - - I Love My Boss - - Spiderman (Mike's in the audience, taking a beer here, a Village Voice there - it was great!) - - Pisco Bandito - - Early Morning Rain - - Boo Time banter about the dollar-type stores and Dave's combs - - Disco Video Bargainville - - Mistra Know It All - - Pork Tenderloin by Murray and Dave - - Homeward Bound by Jian and Mike - - Half as Much - - Laika - - I Will Hold On - - Nuits - - King of Spain - - Green Eggs & Ham - - Darlington Darling - - Dancing Queen and exit 1st encore: - - Sahara and exit 2nd encore: Do You Believe in Life After Love (with a little Come On Eileen thrown in) Sean Altman is introduced and the group does Lose That Girl and last, but not least - - - The Drinking Song They came on just before 9:00 and ended at 11:30. It was wondeful and over the past 2 nights I've gotten to see some folks I don't see too often. So, there you have it - feel free to add to this (I'm off to work now). Robin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:41:56 -0400 From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: Re: What Phrase "wildbill" wrote in message news:<03cc0a62.9db4803d@usw-ex0105-034.remarq.com>... > please don't go, please don't go, (repeated until you wish you > had a tack hammer and could smack yourself in the temples with > it) I love you so.. I have a CD single of this song...the lyrics are a little more advanced but not much. - --Adam 100% content free adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:03:04 -0400 From: Fiona Subject: Re: What Phrase Adam and 'wild' Bill collaborated thusly: > > please don't go, please don't go, (repeated until you wish you > > had a tack hammer and could smack yourself in the temples with > > it) I love you so.. > > I have a CD single of this song...the lyrics are a little more advanced > but not much. And so I would like to inform them of the success of their nefarious plot. I now have that dumb song earwormed. Nafs - ------ Frucon 3: brought to you by Poverty! Because sometimes, you just can't afford to laminate things! - Kath Frucon IV: http://frucon.tripod.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #312 ********************************************