From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #245 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, June 1 2000 Volume 04 : Number 245 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Geneseo and Darien Lake Pictures... [Paul Mischler ] Important ["j316" ] Re: ammf traffic [limezinger@aol.commonpeopl (sonic death monkey)] Re: Who has videos? [limezinger@aol.commonpeopl (sonic death monkey)] Re: OT: Accidental Fruvous Return [Donna Hunt ] Re: Important [Super Dave ] Re: Important [Marie-Claude Danis ] Re: ammf traffic [Marie-Claude Danis ] Re: Important ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Edmonton Folk Fest [Queen Lisa ] Re: Herndon question ... [Chad Maloney ] [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (1/4) [Chad ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 00:48:30 -0400 From: Paul Mischler Subject: Geneseo and Darien Lake Pictures... At long last, my Geneseo and Darien Lake Fruvous pictures are on-line and ready for you to download. How to get the pictures: Go to: http://misch.rh.rit.edu/files.html Click on: "Fruvous Pics!" Scroll down and click on "Geneseo" or "Darien Lake" You can look at a "contact sheet" (thumbnail gallery), or download the "Full size" pictures, or "Web Sized pictures". You can even get an idea of what was going on with the caption listing. Please be nice on my bandwidth and download only one file at a time. Thanks! - -Paul Mischler - -remove the ".nospam" in my e-mail address to reply. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:21:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "j316" Subject: Important Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Get a free web page, e-mail account, calendar and more at | | FIBERIA http://www.fiberia.com | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 01 Jun 2000 08:12:03 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commonpeopl (sonic death monkey) Subject: Re: ammf traffic >> this averages out to an even rougher 23 posts daily. > >Hm. Then I'm missing out. Spuh. i am too... but then again, i'm on aol. :p oh, joy. sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org http://members.aol.com/limezinger "at 4 o'clock the normal world seems very very very far away." - pulp ------------------------------ Date: 01 Jun 2000 08:13:38 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commonpeopl (sonic death monkey) Subject: Re: Who has videos? >So, I understand that the lads have made some music videos. Sadly, most >of us here in the US have never seen them. true, true. : ( but there is a realaudio video of IWHO on much music's site... i _think_ this oughtta work: http://ondemand.muchmusic.com:8080/ramgen/videofact/moxyfruvous_full.rm?us ehostname sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org http://members.aol.com/limezinger "at 4 o'clock the normal world seems very very very far away." - pulp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 00:07:30 -0400 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: OT: Accidental Fruvous Return Novac wrote: > > In my search to find lyrics for Everclear's song "Wonderful", *snip* I think this is funny, because at one of the Cleveland Odeon shows ('97??) Jian was doing part of the "end of the show round up" and thanking the swell people at the Odeon, and telling us all to "Come back tomorrow night, for Evergreen!" I laughed. Someone corrected him and he said "OH, Everclear... whatever." Pointless Everclear/Fruvous references brought to you by: donna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 07:44:51 -0500 From: Super Dave Subject: Re: Important Take your Jesus elsewhere -- this is a moxy fruvous newsgroup. If I want Jesus, I'll ask for him. David On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, j316 wrote: >Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:21:23 -0700 (PDT) >From: j316 >Newsgroups: alt.music.moxy-fruvous >Subject: Important > >Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? >The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. >He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision. >Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. >Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. >I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. >Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. >Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. >Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. >Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. >Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. > >For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; >And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: >And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: >After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. > >That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. > >But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. > >And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. > > >+--------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Get a free web page, e-mail account, calendar and more at | >| FIBERIA http://www.fiberia.com | >+--------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:22:33 GMT From: Marie-Claude Danis Subject: Re: Important Super Dave wrote: > > Take your Jesus elsewhere -- this is a moxy fruvous newsgroup. If I want > Jesus, I'll ask for him. ... "No thanks!" :) You have to admit though that was a pretty eloquent spam. There's a change! mcee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:18:02 GMT From: Marie-Claude Danis Subject: Re: ammf traffic Melanie wrote: > > Whenever I feel I'm not getting the expected number of messages, I > check out ammf through deja.com. It's cumbersome, but it's a way to > figure out if the mailing list has gone flooey (again). See, I've spent a lot of effort trying to get away from Deja, both for ammf and another group I'm in... I'll suck it up and just hope my newsready bucks up. Heh. mcee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:36:24 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Important Super Dave wrote: > > Take your Jesus elsewhere -- this is a moxy fruvous newsgroup. If I want > Jesus, I'll ask for him. > > David > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, j316 wrote: > > >Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:21:23 -0700 (PDT) > >From: j316 > >Newsgroups: alt.music.moxy-fruvous > >Subject: Important > > > >Why do the heathen rage... Thanks for copying the whole thing to all of us Dave! Really the best way to deal with these people is to ignore them. To reply is to invite more or the same. Besides it is technically on topic since we all know that Murray is the messiah. A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | ICQ: 13117113 \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com AIM: locicero ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:31:27 GMT From: Queen Lisa Subject: Edmonton Folk Fest Hello all! I'm so excited, I just had to tell someone - I just purchased my Edmonton Folk Fest tix online! This year's should be one of the best - Steve Earle, Oh Susanna, Dar Williams and, of course Fruvous. Hope that all you Western Cdn fruheads pick tickets up soon; they usually sell out the first day or two of sales. lisa moore Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 10:31:44 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Herndon question ... BBWMinors wrote: > > OK, my bad about pix being forbidden or not. I am just thinking of the one time > I brought my camera, to the Birchmere last month, and though I was only > bringing it to take pix of friends, they saw a glance of it at the door and > made me put it in the car -- said NO CAMERAS ALLOWED ANYWHERE IN THE CLUB. That's the Birchmere, not the band. The Birchmere prides itself on being a listeners club and tries to keep the audience quiet and respectful. [Insert quip about bad waitstaff at the Birchmere here] - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:11:38 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (1/4) [Begin part 1/4] Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Questions, suggestions, and submissions to: ammf-faq@fruvous.com FAQ last updated: 22-MAY-2000 Question marked by a '*' denote content changes in this version of the FAQ. Questions marked by the '*' have been modified significantly enough to make it known, so that people familiar with the previous FAQ need only browse the '*' marks to get updated information. Questions in this FAQ: Section: FAQ Facts 1) What is the alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ? 2) Why do some people call it the Fruvous FAQ? 3) Who maintains the FAQ? 4) How can I make suggestions/corrections to the FAQ? 5) Where can I get the FAQ? Section: Fruvous Internet Resources 1) Is there an official web page? 2) Is there an IRC Channel? 3) Is there a newsgroup? 4) What is ammf@fruvous.com? 5) I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from ammf@fruvous.com. What should I do? 6) My server's newsfeed is horrible. What can I do? 7) How do I unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway? 8) I don't want to unsubscribe, but I'm going away for a week. Can I ask the Mail<-->News gateway to not send me mail for a bit? 9) alt.music.moxy-fruvous is too high traffic, but I still want to read it. Is there anything I can do? 10) Is there an archive of alt.music.moxy-fruvous? 11) What is alt.fan.moxy.fruvous? 12) What is the "newsgroup pin"? 13) Do the band members read the newsgroup? 14) Are there any major fan web pages? 15) What happened to Josh Cragun's and Bill Bowen's web pages? 16) What's an umlaut? How do I make one? 17) I don't seem to be getting any posts from the Mail<-->News Gateway. What should I do? 18) I'm sending email through the Mail<-->News Gateway, but people who use news to read the group don't see it. Why? Section: Basic Moxy Fruvous Information 1) Who is Moxy Fruvous? 2) What does "Moxy Fruvous" mean? 3) What is a Fruhead? How can I become a Fruhead? 4) What is the "Fruhead Card"? 5) What is the "Frumiles Card"? 6) My Frumiles Card expires at the "end of the millennium." Is that December 31st, 1999, or 2000? 7) Where is the band currently touring? 8) Why has the band toured more in the United States than in Canada lately? 9) Why does the band frequently play at restricted venues that don't allow underage people in? 10) There seems to be frequent mention of taping at Fruvous shows and trading of these tapes. What's the band's policy on that? 11) Is there any connection between Moxy Fruvous and the soft drink Moxie? 12) I ordered my merchandise four weeks ago from Fruvous and I haven't received it yet. What gives? 13) What's the best thing I can do to help support the band? 14) What's the story behind "The Troc"? What happened? Section: Mike, Murray, Jian, and Dave 1) On stage, who is who? 2) Why is Jian's name written as Jean in liner notes and older articles? 3) How do you pronounce Jian Ghomeshi? 4) Is Dave gay? bisexual? How about Murray? Jian? Mike? Section: The Albums 1)* What albums does Moxy Fruvous have out? 2)* Why aren't all the albums in stores? Where are they available? 3) What if I can't get any of the albums at stores? 4) Does the band ever put out singles? 5)* Does the band ever make videos? 6) Is there any connection between _You Will Go to the Moon_ and the children's book of the same name? 7) What is the Indie Cassette I keep hearing about? 8) Where can I get the Indie Cassette? Section: Songs and Lyrics 1) Where can I get a copy of "Green Eggs and Ham"? 2) Where can I find the lyrics to "Johnny Saucep'n," "Your New Boyfriend," etc? 3) Where can I get translations of the French songs? 4) Where can I find tabulature for Fruvous songs? 5) Where can I find vocal sheet music for Fruvous songs? 6) Where can I find sound files of Fruvous songs? 7) Which band member wrote which songs? Do they collaborate? 8) What's the song that they perform with the refrain, "Hey little bird, fly away home"? 9) Is it a female voice or Mike's voice during the intro to the studio version of "Green Eggs and Ham"? 10) Who says "Swing it" on the studio version of "Gotta Get a Message to You"? 11) Is the "Lowest Highest Point" really in Delaware? 12) In "King of Spain," the King plays crokinole. What IS crokinole? 13) What songs that Moxy Fruvous regularly performs are actually covers? Section: Fruvous Characters 1) Who is Larry Boniface Clebdon? Who is Barry? 2) Who is Lazlo? 3) What's a Laika? 4) Who is Dusty Fosterbourd? 5) Who is Grandpa Fruvous? 6) Who is Lou? 7) Who is Marion Fruvous? 8) Who is the Naive Young Chap? 9)* Who is Jared (the wild boy)? Section: Fruvous-Related Links and Information 1) What other bands might a fan of Fruvous be interested in? Credits Appendices: Appendix A - An explanation of why age restricted venues exist and bands play at them Appendix B - alt.music.moxy-fruvous newsgroup definitions and etiquette suggestions Appendix C - common acronyms seen in alt.music.moxy-fruvous Section: FAQ Facts 1) What is the alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ? The alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ (a.m.m-f FAQ, or just the FAQ from here on out) is a frequently asked questions list that is a resource for newcomers and old timers of the internet NNTP newsgroup alt.music.moxy-fruvous. It is intended to answer many of the commonly recurring questions that are posed to the newsgroup so that the members there are not continually answering the same questions. Note that the a.m.m-f FAQ is not gospel. It is fan maintained. Sources are cited where they are known and every attempt has been made to give information in as neutral a way as possible. But the maintainer is only human (and at this time at least, a quite opinionated human at that), and at times some inkling of their opinions may seep in. Feel free to complain if you disagree. 2) Why do some people call it the Fruvous FAQ? The a.m.m-f FAQ does contain some good general Fruvous information that does not relate directly to the newsgroup. Any fan may find the information here useful, even if they do not have the time or desire to read the newsgroup. Also, "Fruvous FAQ" is much easier to say and type than "alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ" or "a.m.m-f FAQ." 3) Who maintains the FAQ? The original maintainer of the FAQ was Colleen Campbell. She researched, wrote up, and maintained the FAQ from its birth until August of 1999. Her work on the FAQ is very much appreciated, and the Fruvous community owes her a debt for her hard work. The second and current maintainer of the FAQ is Chad Maloney. Chad has been a Fruvous fan since July 1997 and posts frequently (if not very frequently) to a.m.m-f. He can be reached at Chad@fruvous.com and gladly accepts any and all email. 4) How can I make suggestions/corrections to the FAQ? Your input to this FAQ is very valuable. If there's something you disagree with, that you want said in a different way, or that you want added to or removed from the FAQ, please email the current FAQ maintainer. They should happily talk with you about your addition and give you feedback on the request. The email address ammf-faq@fruvous.com is setup for the current FAQ maintainer. Please do NOT post your FAQ input to a.m.m-f. The FAQ maintainer needs to keep a record of all requests so that they are processed accordingly. Due to problems with newsfeeds, every post to a.m.m-f may not make it to the maintainer. Please DO email the FAQ maintainer at ammf-faq@fruvous.com. 5) Where can I get the FAQ? The a.m.m-f FAQ is available in a couple of different ways. It is posted monthly to the newsgroup alt.music.moxy-fruvous. It is also available on the web at http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html. You can also request the FAQ from the ammf-faq autoresponder. To do this, simply send an email to ammf-faq-request@fruvous.com and the FAQ, split into sizeable chunks, will automatically be emailed to you. Finally, you can request that the FAQ be emailed to you by emailing ammf-faq@fruvous.com and requesting the latest version of the FAQ. The FAQ maintainer will forward you the FAQ when they get the email. Section: Fruvous Internet Resources 1) Is there an official web page? Yes, there is. http://www.fruvous.com (Fruvous Dot Com or FDC) is the official Moxy Fruvous web page and an amazing resource for Moxy Fruvous fans. The site is one of the best band websites around and contains an up-to-date tour itinerary, song lyrics, articles, guitar tab, and show reviews. Reviews posted to alt.music.moxy-fruvous usually make their way onto the site or they can be emailed to webmaster@fruvous.com. The site is maintained by Chris O'Malley and any questions about it should be sent to him at webmaster@fruvous.com. Moxy Fruvous Corp also has registered the domain moxyfruvous.com for future use. 2) Is there an IRC Channel? Yes, there is probably more than one. The one that many a.m.m-f denizens frequent is #MoxyFruvous on the Undernet. More information about that channel is available on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/irc.html. You can probably find Moxy Fruvous channels on EFNet and DALnet as well under various names. 3) Is there a newsgroup? Yes, there is. alt.music.moxy-fruvous (for which this FAQ is written) is the Usenet group for discussion of Moxy Fruvous. For a simple etiquette guide to alt.music.moxy-fruvous, see Appendix B of this FAQ. To access the newsgroup using NNTP, choose your favorite newsreader (like TIN, Netscape Messenger, Outlook, etc) and look in the alt.music hierarchy for moxy-fruvous. You also need a news provider. If you are in school, you may have to request that alt.music.moxy-fruvous be added to your school's news server. You can also use a free NNTP service like Deja.com to read the newsgroup or there are several great news service providers that are available for relatively little money. NewsGuy, for example, works extremely well for some people ( http://www.newsguy.com ) and is very inexpensive. AOL has their own newsserver and the newsgroup is available there. To get to it, go to the keyword "newsgroups", then "add newsgroup." Search the alt.music hierarchy for alt.music.moxy-fruvous and then subscribe. Note that NNTP and the graph of newsservers is not wholly reliable. Sometimes posts may be lost or come in out of order. Deja.com is usually very complete, as is NewsGuy. See question #6 for some alternatives to using a bad newsserver. 4) What is ammf@fruvous.com? ammf@fruvous.com is the email address of the Mail<-->News Gateway. Sending email to ammf@fruvous.com will post the contents of the email to the newsgroup with the subject provided. This is how the Mail--->News half of the gateway works, so that when you reply to a message sent by the gateway, it goes to the newsgroup. The Mail<-->News gateway provides a way to receive the contents of the alt.music.moxy-fruvous newsgroup without using an NNTP newsreader. Instead, once you subscribe, each posting to the newsgroup is emailed to you directly. Note that there is still an NNTP server behind the Mail<-->News gateway, so there may be posts out of order or left out, like when using another NNTP server. The contents of the list are also available in digest form. See question #9 for more information. For more information about the Mail<-->News Gateway, see http://www.fruvous.com/other.html 5) I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from ammf@fruvous.com. What should I do? If you aren't subscribed to the Mail<-->News gateway, something is really wrong. If you are subscribed to the Mail<-->News Gateway, then probably someone else is having mail problems and is bouncing mail to the list. Please send an email to owner-ammf@fruvous.com regarding the problem and they will work it out. Forward the bounce there and they will fix the problem as promptly as possible. 6) My server's newsfeed is horrible. What can I do? You have a couple of choices. You could pay for a better NNTP service from a company like NewsGuy ( http://www.newsguy.com ). If you have patience, you can use a free NNTP service that has a good newsfeed like Deja.com. The interface to Deja is a little awkward, but it does work. The web site http://www.fruhead.com has a web interface into a.m.m-f available as well. Finally, you can subscribe to the Mail<-->News gateway which is already hooked up to a good newsfeed. To subscribe to the Mail<-->Gateway (which will email you everything posted to alt.music.moxy-fruvous and allow you to email ammf@fruvous.com to post to the newsgroup), see http://www.fruvous.com/other.html. It has information on the Mail<-->News Gateway. Note that the web interface on FHDC uses the Mail<-->News Gateway for its newsfeed. 7) How do I unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway? To unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway, you need to unsubscribe from the mailing list ammf@fruvous.com. If you are unsubscribing from the address that is subscribed to the list, you simply need to send an email to ammf-request@fruvous.com with the single word "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. Otherwise, you're request will need to be authorized manually. You can email owner-ammf@fruvous.com for help with that process. If you are subscribed to the digest version, send your email to ammf-digest-request@fruvous.com following the instructions above. Please don't include your .sig in messages to the ammf-request address as it may mess up the automatic processor. See http://www.fruvous.com/other.html for more Mail<-->News gateway information. 8) I don't want to unsubscribe, but I'm going away for a week. Can I ask the Mail<-->News gateway to not send me mail for a bit? Nope. Sorry. The mailing list software behind the Mail<-->News gateway is Majordomo, which doesn't allow you to remain subscribed, while temporarily shutting off distribution of mailing list messages to your email address. To do this, you'll have to unsubscribe then resubscribe when you return. 9) alt.music.moxy-fruvous is too high traffic, but I still want to read it. Is there anything I can do? The best thing to do is to subscribe to the Mail<-->News gateway in digest form. In digest form, you will receive one large email containing a number of posts to the newsgroup instead of each one individually. You can then read the one message, instead of individually reading the 40 messages contained in it. To do this, email ammf-request@fruvous.com with the message body containing "subscribe ammf-digest". 10) Is there an archive of alt.music.moxy-fruvous? There are two easily available archives of the newsgroup. The first is provided by the Mail<-->News gateway, which archives all digests it sends. They are available for download at http://www.smoe.org/lists/ammf but you can't search or easily navigate through the digests. Deja.com archives a great portion of Usenet for your use. It provides robust searching of newsgroup articles back to 1996. 11) What is alt.fan.moxy.fruvous? alt.fan.moxy.fruvous is the old Moxy Fruvous newsgroup. People now use alt.music.moxy-fruvous for discussion of the band Moxy Fruvous. The newsgroup in the alt.fan hierarchy is no longer used because it was not petitioned properly in alt.config before the "add group" message was given to NNTP servers. Because of this, the alt.fan group is not available in many places. The alt.music group was (eventually) properly setup and should be available on a wider range of servers. An attempt was made to remove the alt.fan group from Usenet, but this isn't really feasible because NNTP servers aren't organized at all. Most posts to alt.fan.moxy.fruvous get immediate replies from kind fans referring them to alt.music.moxy-fruvous. 12) What is the "newsgroup pin"? alt.music.moxy-fruvous is a pretty cohesive fan group and many of us have developed a taste for meeting up with each other at Fruvous shows. To identify each other, the newsgroup came up with the a.m.m-f pin, originally distributed by Vicky Brasseur to those who sent her an SASE. There are a limited number of fans still using these old buttons, but Vicky is no longer distributing them. If you are at a show, look for Fruheads wearing a 2" white pin with black lettering, "alt.music.moxy-fruvous" on the top, "have modem - will travel" on the bottom, with the "Barry" creature (from the back of _The B Album_) in the center in full color. An image of the a.m.m-f pin (or ng pin) is available on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/miscpics/frupin.gif The newsgroup pin seems to be in less use than it was during '97. Many of the newsgroup regulars became very familiar with each other in that period and identification pins became rather extraneous. There are a lot of new a.m.m-f'ers out there, though, and it would probably help us all meet each other if we kept the pin in common use. In August of 1999, Chad Maloney ( Chad@fruvous.com ) had a new batch of the old buttons reprinted. He has information on how to get an ng pin available. See http://www.fruhead.com/users/Chad/ammf-pin.html for more information about getting a button. 13) Do the band members read the newsgroup? Jian has admitted in front of fans that he does skim the newsgroup occasionally. It's also been said that Murray and Mike have seen the newsgroup before. Even though members of the band occasionally see the newsgroup, the newsgroup is not for communication with the band members. Many, many people read the newsgroup to discuss Moxy Fruvous, and the last thing they want is people posting personal messages to Murray, for example. There are much better ways to communicate personally with the band than to use the public newsgroup. Please remember that the newsgroup is a public forum and what you write may be seen by any number of people, including band members. 14) Are there any major fan web pages? FDC has a links page for many fan pages in its "Moxy Online" section available at http://www.fruvous.com/other.html. http://www.fruhead.com is a fan web page and resource for Fruheads kept up by Josh Woodward. It provides many great functions like sending messages to other fans (Frumessages) and trip planning/coordination. You do have to be a member to use some functions, but membership is free. Also, FHDC has a "Fruhead Links" section with Fruvous-related links on it. Most of the band members also have fan run sites dedicated to them: - - http://www.WayToGoMurray.com is a Murray Foster fan site - - http://www.MyPoorGeneration.com is a David Matheson fan site - - http://www.GoJian.com is a Jian Ghomeshi fan site (and of course there's http://www.JianKillsCats.com for details of one of Jian's oddest proclivities) 15) What happened to Josh Cragun's and Bill Bowen's web pages? Bill Bowen's page called the "Fruvous Supplement" lost web space quite a while ago. He has since allowed Chris O'Malley to include his web page on FDC. Josh Cragun's, which was originally the "official" Fruvous homepage, but hadn't been updated in over a year, disappeared from the web awhile ago. The "jcragun" account was removed from the server, possibly because Josh is no longer at school. Chris has, however, moved some of the articles, lyrics, and other tidbits from those pages to FDC with the permission of their previous owners. 16) What's an umlaut? How do I make one? An umlaut is the technical name for the two dots that are above the "u" in Moxy Fruvous in all the band's printed materials. In other languages, things like umlauts modify the pronounciation of a specific letter. For example, the u-umlaut in German sounds like a ue, and is sometimes written that way in electronic media where no umlaut is available. How to make an umlaut on your computer depends on the computer you use and the character set it is configured for. On most Windows PCs, the ascii code 129 is used for the lowercase u-umlaut. To make it, hold down the ALT-key and, using the numeric keypad on the far right of your keyboard, type 129 then release the ALT-key. The result should be a lowercase u-umlaut that will be visible for people using Windows. But, for some people using a different character set usually on UNIX, what you just made will show up as junk. It is this character set difference that keeps this FAQ from using umlauts for Fruvous and that causes many people to not use them in IRC or on the newsgroup. Not everyone sees it as an umlaut. Normally, when someone sees a word that is Fr^vous for example, they realize what it says, but it's usually best to stick to Fruvous without the umlaut if you want it to look decent on all computers. 17) I don't seem to be getting any posts from the Mail<-->News Gateway. What should I do? Don't panic. a.m.m-f gets a lot of traffic and you probably notice when something is awry with some part of the Mail<-->News Gateway. There are a couple steps in the process that could be the problem and any diagnosis you can do on your own will benefit both you and others. The first thing to check is your email account. Do you have an email quota that you are violating because of too much mail? If you are in violation of your quota, your ISP may be automatically bouncing new messages addressed to you back to the sender. Are you getting other email alright? If so, there's probably nothing wrong with your mail account. Your ISP can probably help you figure out if you are having problems with your email service. The Mail<-->News Gateway works by taking mail from an NNTP newsserver it uses and forwarding it to a majordomo mailing list. There are a couple places where this whole process can be gummed up. The newsserver the Mail<-->Gateway uses may be having problems, there could be space problems on the machine that manages the majordomo list, or any of myriad of other problems. The proper thing to do when you've determined the problem isn't your email is to send an email to owner-ammf@fruvous.com and explain your problems. They will help you as soon as they can. Please don't send "I'm not getting any posts" messages to the newsgroup. The correct and direct way to get the problem fixed is to alert owner-ammf@fruvous.com of the problem. 18) I'm sending email through the Mail<-->News Gateway, but people who use news to read the group don't see it. Why? To send posts to the newsgroup through the Mail<-->News Gateway, you have to send email to ammf@fruvous.com. This is the correct address and the only address that will post your message to the newsgroup. The Mail<-->News Gateway is currently housed by smoe.org and ammf@smoe.org is a valid email address, but is NOT the address of the Mail<-->News Gateway. Mail sent to this address will be distributed only to those people who subscribe to the gateway. People who use NNTP news services or Deja won't see the post. The solution is to use ammf@fruvous.com, which will automatically submit a NNTP news post for you that will then be distributed to Deja and other NNTP news service providers, including the Mail<-->News Gateway itself. 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