From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #214 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, May 10 2000 Volume 04 : Number 214 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 [spychicr@aol.compoot (Rai-Marie)] review: 5/2/00 (late *and* stupid) ["Carey Farrell" ] Re: OT: The Northern Ontario Rant [spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1)] set lists [Maggie Deegan ] Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 [spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1)] Re: Beatles-Fruvous parallels [serra44@aol.comantispam (Jill Friedman)] Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 [tmbgirl@my-deja.com] MBLABOA [Rachel R Beck ] Hear music= Money & Free CD's ["bee" ] Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 [vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: OT: The Northern Ontario Rant [drea25@my-deja.com] Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 [sisterpuff@my-deja.com] Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 [Anna! ] Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 [spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1)] Re: Videos [Bridget ] Re: MBLABOA [Maggie Deegan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 09 May 2000 20:46:33 GMT From: spychicr@aol.compoot (Rai-Marie) Subject: Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 <> Um... May I speak up on this for a second? When I went to the Keswick, my friends did something inappropriate during the drinking song. The reviewers of the Keswick show also mentioned how inappropriate that was, but I didn't go up and say "HEY! It was their first show, give them a break" etc, etc. I apologised for my friends' actions and then I explained that they did not know what they are doing, etc. I can see where you would be mad at Sam-I-Am for being insensitive, but blatently yelling was insensitive yourself. If you were in that position, then you might yourself assume that the person trying to get the setlist was insensitive. Now I don't want to start a flame war on here... or, as the boards I go to like to call it, "debate", which is a prettier term... but I think that you should put yourself into another person's shoes before taking offense. I'm sorry for your friend though, but maybe next time she will get the setlist. It's not as if there are a limited amount of shows. I don't mean to sound rude, I am just saying what I feel. --Rai --Props to Dee... Debates... ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Rai is also known as the CANADIAN POSER! Fighter for liberty, justice, and the right to use a "u" in the word colour. I like pink. But only if it's a manly pink. A "Butch, the prom queen" pink. ~Gotta love the Lizard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:10:55 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: review: 5/2/00 (late *and* stupid) I know this concert happened a week ago, but Shell and Cara assured me that it wouldn't be *too* silly to post this review. So here we go. It was my first time at the Rams Head, having spent the last 4 years or so waiting to turn 21 and actually be able to get into the place. I wasn't disappointed, either -- tho the fact that it's a "listening venue" is perhaps a little annoying if you're the type who likes to sing and dance along, it also discourages people from screaming for KOS/GEH, and that's always a good thing. Martina Sorbara was the opener, and she was pretty cute with some good songs as well -- her voice is kind of a little-girl Ani/Deloris O'Riordan (from the Cranberries), and she played guitar and piano. Fruvous came out at some time or another, and proceeded to talk for awhile. Mike announced that the band's name would be "Topics, and his monkey Sassafrass," and then he changed it to "Hijinks." Yeeeeah. They commented on the fact that the Rams Head has no pictures of them up on the walls, while the bathrooms are entirely wallpapered with pictures of Jonatha Brooke. Jian at one point remarked, "Well, we killed *3* minutes," prompting Mike to start singing, "Padding the set, these guys are padding the set..." And then they actually started singing :) Nowhere Man: first time hearing this. It's, like, note-for-note the same as the original, which is unusual for a Fruvous cover, isn't it? Laika *banter about Ann Arundel, the silent A in "Annapolis," George Washington sleeping his way to the top (Jian: "They found little splinters in Thomas Jefferson's thighs," Murray: "You put an image in my head I didn't want," Jian: "I'll stick to heterosexual references for you, Murray." Heatseeker Boy: again, my first time hearing this. I love it -- somehow, the music is very -- and don't shoot me for this -- Burt Bacharach. La Complainte: yay! I was so happy to hear this one again. But I missed Murray's cute little hand motions this time. *banter about Jian's haircut ("Murray says I look like Scott Baio"), and the fact that Mike somehow has never seen an episode of "Laverne and Shirley." Sad Girl Lazy Boy, which Mike proclaimed was "much better than Cats." I don't think anyone there disagreed :) *banter about the MD flag, which according to Mike contains "the nautical symbol for 'Clown Overboard.'" Pisco (Mike: "He's a fucking kleptomaniac!") *Refs to the fact that Rams Head is a listening venue, with Murray demanding, "So are we *entirely* responsible for the conversation here?" Somehow they got into the "Behind the Music" thing here, too, taking the parts of aging Brit rock stars. All I remember is that Dave had a cocaine habit, and the word "lexicon" kept popping up. Murray: "I don't remember the '90s, but they've given me photos." Splatter Indy: so glad to hear this live. The more Murray, the better :) Boo Time: someone else will have to help with the rhymes here. All I remember is Mike going into, "Way down upon the Swanee River." Murray: "A Jerome Robbins production." banter about all kinds of stuff here, which at one point led to Jian asking, "Don't you hate it when there's only 4 people in the room laughing, and 3 of them are us?" Hee hee. Also, the most decadent thing you can say in a restaurant is apparently, "Waiter, more salmon." PTT Sauce Pork Tenderloin: yee-ha! Murray and Dave did this, as Billy Joe Bob McBride (in a cowboy hat, of course) and "my brother whose name escapes me." I know of at least 10 singers in the area who are exactly like them in this song, so it always amuses me to no end. Guinea Pig: Mike and Jian on this one, altho first Jian announced, "We're gonna do 'Pork Tenderloin,' too, cos we could prolly kick their ass," and put on the hat and sang a little bit. "Guinea Pig" is very, very catchy; I've been singing it all week. It's also extremely short compared to Pork, which is interesting. *banter about their agent in England back in the day, whose only way of marketing them was to run around pleading, "Buy their CDs! They're *Canaaaadian*!" Fly MPG River Valley GITC YNB: These three work so well together Dancing Queen medley: Louuuuuuu! He made some comment about Thomas Jefferson again: "me and Jefferson, baby. We had more than one thing going on." This was a lot of fun, too. Encores: Michy Disco B'ville (relating the things people say to them as a "hard-hitting glam-folk band," such as, "Hey, buddy, vaudeville died a long time ago," and "Why don't you get some normal shirts?") If Only: a weird way to end a weird set. I mean, the song is great, but it just doesn't work as a closer, especially from a band that has some great closing songs. And as for the set being weird, well, as a lot of us seemed to be discussing, playing so many bouncy songs (including Disco, of all things) at a "listening venue" was just, well, cruel :) Ah well, it was a lot of fun, regardless. It was great to meet even more people tonight, and to meet all the Frulads after the show, too (I had never met Dave before). Alrighty, the late-and-stupid Birchmere review is next! Rah! Bear with me, Carey :) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 09 May 2000 21:38:38 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: OT: The Northern Ontario Rant > ...Anyone gonna make a Jian joke now? no. :) "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown "You'll have to lose your mind before you can come to your senses!" - -Socrates, Way of the Peaceful Warrior Gella ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:29:44 GMT From: Maggie Deegan Subject: set lists well, i'm gonna try to make this mean-spirited little flame war about setlists into something a little bit positive. the first time i ever thought about getting a setlist was a few weeks ago at fredonia. i figured it'd be easy since no one seemed to care about 'em [1] so i moseyed up to the stage barrier and asked the cute security boy to snag me a setlist. he said no, and i whined a little bit, hoping that by some freak accident of nature he'd think me cute and would change his mind. didn't happen. ah well. it's paper. :) - -- ~Maggie~ "The Hawaiian alphabet has 22 letters, 6 of which are K." ~ Taylor Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 2000 00:24:41 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 No, I'm not really crying, I just really REALLY hate these things from the very beginning to the very end. They drive me to do insane things like write letters to Murray... and actually SEND them... just to remind myself that he and the rest of them still exist. :( "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown "You'll have to lose your mind before you can come to your senses!" - -Socrates, Way of the Peaceful Warrior Gella ------------------------------ Date: 09 May 2000 23:40:38 GMT From: serra44@aol.comantispam (Jill Friedman) Subject: Re: Beatles-Fruvous parallels >Ringo Starr: Murray- Yup, simply because he's sort of the quiet, >occasionally disturbing guy with the weird one-liners, who doesn't really >sing as often as the others, and the songs he writes are invariably weird >(although he does write more than Ringo did). I've got a hole in my pocket.... - -J writing a song called the Ballad of Jill V. Fruhead Ji-Murray person The Leopard Lady "She's too short to play me."-Joey Potter Too short to play herself in a movie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 23:22:52 GMT From: tmbgirl@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) wrote: > whaat?! i really hope that you're not *seriously* crying. I just re- read my post and while it appears harsh, it's not mean-spirited towards fruheads at all... i seriously was just laughing at the whole thing. From an uninvolved person's standpoint the whole thing just seems too idiotic and entermusing. aiye!! seriously, i didn't mean to offend you gella, or anyone else!!! all apologies! :) take it easy (fer the reels), JOrdaN http://www.geocities.com/tmbgirl.geo/ np: the shaggs "philosophy of the world" Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:23:38 -0400 From: Rachel R Beck Subject: MBLABOA I wrote to you all a while ago to mention that I'm planning my first literature class (egads--they're letting me teach). I'm putting together my syllabus now. Among other things, we'll be reading a Margaret Atwood book (Handmaid's Tale). I was wondering if anybody wants to put in a word for his or her favorite work by any of the others mentioned in "Authors." (For quick reference, that's Gabriel Garcia Marquez, William S. Burroughs--whom I don't find cuddly at all!--, bell hooks, Pierre Burton, Mario Puzo, WP Kinsella, Robertson Davies, Ondaatje, and Doris Lessing.) I've got as many novels and plays I can use, but if you want to recommend essays or short stories written by these guys, that'd be supercool. - -Rachel ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:05:35 GMT From: "bee" Subject: Hear music= Money & Free CD's Check this out... There's a company called RadioFreeCash.com (www.radiofreecash.com) that is paying you to listen to the radio on your computer.Their music inventory contains over 120 genres... and not only do they pay you, but they also pay you for the referrals who you bring to their community. 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Just click here to join! http://www.radiofreecash.com/home.asp?ref=beeruiz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:39:25 -0400 From: melinda klump Subject: a thank-you note hello sweet fruheads. i just wanted to say a big "thank you" to everyone who signed my birthday card before the toad's show on sunday. although i've been a fruhead for years, i have only recently become involved in the fruhead community, and the fact that so many of you took the time to write a few words really meant a lot to me. i almost cried. seriously. so, thank you all. you know who you are. sincerely, melinda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:16:15 GMT From: vika@attglobal.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 Spake ScarletB23@aol.com: >Don't you think what happened on Sunday already hurt them enough already and that it really needed to brought back up again? I think not. Speaking as another person who wasn't there: I believe it's up to the person involved in the fight to voice their opinion of it or take on it, or not to. Anita, you weren't involved in it, and even if you saw it, you might not have seen all of it. You obviously fail to see that it affected Sam-I-Am in some profound way as well, at least enough to include it in the review. And it's his (her?) right to decide to write about it, if there's a need to. >That sounds terrible Jordan and I disagree with your sentiments. If everyone > believes what you do about getting set lists, I'm afraid that we might eventually > have fist fights or worse over them. I hope not since that is so anti to Fruvous > experience I know and love. What if I told you that the Fruvous experience *you* know and love is an experience that *I* see most of the time (say, in the past year and a half or two) as bitchy and fist-fighty (yes, already) and tend to steer clear from? Yes, it does make me sad. - -v, telling it like it is - -------- Vika Zafrin -------- vika@attglobal.net -------- http://www.brown.edu/Research/Decameron "Are you done [with your assignment]?" "Yes! We learned how to lie in Italian!" -a conversation I had with one of my students ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 00:11:28 GMT From: drea25@my-deja.com Subject: Re: OT: The Northern Ontario Rant > ...Anyone gonna make a Jian joke now? Sorry to disappoint you dear, but all those jokes were made before FruCon II when I mentioned I was bringing a couple dozen persians down from Thunder Bay with me :) I think I've heard all of 'em between pre- con and during the Con *lol* Drea o/~ Maybe I'll grow up before I grow old.. o/~ - Martina Sorbara Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:57:18 GMT From: sisterpuff@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 ok, so i have to jump in and add my three cents on this issue... so what if you're the first person in line or the last? if you have the opportunity to get a setlist, then that thing is rightfully yours. whoever it was that got the setlist first, it should have been his/hers...and if a person went to grab it out of the other person's hands, then the blame should be put on that second party. i would be disgusted at the scene of people fighting over the setlist myself, but after reading what happened, i would be more disgusted at the person that felt so incined to snatch it out of someone else's hands. how old are we anyway, people? i've seen it happen at shows that i've been at myself and it's just ridiculous! don't try to take something that is rightfully someone else's... haven't we learned anything from childhood? i totally support jordan in what she has to say...and you may come back with saying something like, we weren't there to see it so we can't even make a comment on it.. but, i think we're providing an unbiased response... live and learn, then grow up. later taters amy...laughing right along with jordan...even though we're on opposite sides of the country... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:36:24 GMT From: Anna! Subject: Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 In article <3918b71a.739030415@news3.attglobal.net>, vika insightfully wrote: > What if I told you that the Fruvous experience *you* know and love is > an experience that *I* see most of the time (say, in the past year and > a half or two) as bitchy and fist-fighty (yes, already) and tend to > steer clear from? Yes, it does make me sad. I'd be inclined to say that the whole "experience" depends on who you surround yourself with and what you choose to see, but then it would sound like Vika hangs out with a bunch of bitchy people which probably isn't entirely true :) I've been involved in way too many bitch-fests, and have seen people come really close to physical violence at shows. I'm really amused by this thread because everyone seems to think this whole community is so wonderful and lovey, and yeah, to some extent it is. (Though some of us aren't so into this whole "I love you 'cause you're a fruhead and can do no wrong!" crap) But on the other hand, it's comprised of REAL people who do entirely human things. People everywhere fight and hate each other and have conflict ... and it sucks, but it's real life. Just because we all like the same band doesn't mean we all will love eachother and transcend all human characteristics. It's sad, perhaps, to some, but it shouldn't make anyone so suprised when conflict happens. To the meat of the matter (which seems to have been forgotten) I think the point wasn't that the setlist was stolen, or ripped, or used as a ritual sacrifice or whatnot ... but that the person who was mentioned in the review felt attacked by what was said. The review apologized. The end. Right? don't take it personal, yo. (always wanted to say that...) - -anna- (laughing along with Jordan and Amy, but that's mostly because I'm all hopped up on allergy medication.) http://elements.dreamhost.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 2000 02:48:18 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: Toads Place Review 5/7/00 >live and learn, then grow up. > Grow up? Oh what a terrible thought! :) "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown "You'll have to lose your mind before you can come to your senses!" - -Socrates, Way of the Peaceful Warrior Gella ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bridget Subject: Re: Videos - --- Carey Farrell wrote: > Hee hee, whenever my best friend and I have watched or talked about the > videos, we have little Rocky Horror/MST3K moments that go along with > them. "Are you playing MST3K with my soap?!?!?!?" ~Donna the GH junkie, 5/3/00 ===== xoxoxo bridget :) Hotel Faux Pas... you wanna hear these guys. http://pages.prodigy.net/hotelfauxpas/braintrust.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 03:04:02 GMT From: Maggie Deegan Subject: Re: MBLABOA i definately think Love in the Time of Cholera is one to be read. stay away from The Colonel Who Has No One to Write to Him (or however the exact english translation is). that entire book is about a friggin' chicken. he uses a CHICKEN to encompass the symbolic meaning of life. *sigh* whatever. Marquez has some pretty great short stories. one of my faves is The Handsomest Drowned Man in the World. i highly suggest the english versions (no offense senora Bills!). Margaret Atwood... the only novel of hers i've read is Cat's Eye, which is disturbing, but still... enjoyable isn't the word, but, it's really good. :) hope i helped un poquito! - -- ~Maggie~ "The Hawaiian alphabet has 22 letters, 6 of which are K." ~ Taylor Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #214 ********************************************