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alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Saturday, April 22 2000 Volume 04 : Number 193



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: Johxy Malkovous                            [MJ <tigger246@hotmail.com>]
  Re: Fun Album Titles                            [kyla <canadan2@yahoo.com>]
  4.21.2k NYC show review                               [tmbgirl@my-deja.com]
  Re: 4/20 frushow story (damn funny).                  [jewelee@my-deja.com]
  REQ: 4-21 show tape              ["Prop Builder" <WCSHOE@worldnet.att.net>]
  Re: Americanism again                                 [tmbgirl@my-deja.com]
  Ticket for Pawling Wanted                 [gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash)]
  Re: OT: Fun Album Titles                     [Mike Wood <see@below.please>]
  Re: whimper at the Ji-Spot                               [FruCake1@aol.com]
  Re: REQ: 4-21 show tape                                [StarflashJ@aol.com]
  4/21/2000 Set List  [Dead@thwip.polyamory.org, from@thwip.polyamory.org, t]
  4.21.00 review                                     [sisterpuff@my-deja.com]
  Re: Americanism again                      [loudsioux@aol.com (Loud Sioux)]
  Fwd: [Re: Moxy Fruvous World]    [Kate Bunting <castalusoria@netscape.net>]
  Re: Americanism again                              [sisterpuff@my-deja.com]

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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:27:59 -0400
From: MJ <tigger246@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Johxy Malkovous

> Malkoviched-up excerpts and links

Hey, thanks for posting the stuff guys... sorta made me go "Yipes" at
first, but then had me ROTFLMAO... until my cheeks hurt. <g>

~truztno1

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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:27:44 GMT
From: kyla <canadan2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fun Album Titles

> "Novac" <jesmore@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8dorea$3ch6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > I was just wondering about some fun album titles out there. Here
> are three
> > of my favorites from the near past:
> >
> > Garage D'Or [Cracker]
> > Hooray for Boobies [Bloodhound Gang]
> > Title of Record [Filter]


"Mirth Control" stanford u marching band
- --kyla

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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 06:25:00 GMT
From: tmbgirl@my-deja.com
Subject: 4.21.2k NYC show review

4.21.2k Fruvous in NYC @ Irving Plaza

Ok so here it is - 2:33am and we're back at my apartment after a bit of
post-show fun.  We decided we're gonna try to make it up to NoHo
tomorrow, despite our lack of fundage. should be interesting.  If
anyone wants to donate to our "buy tickets instead of sitting outside
the club" fund... hehee, feel free *grin*
Tonight's show was amazing.  After a very, very weird day (ok, nothing
can beat the weirdness of my trip to NJ but it was still very odd)...
running into some of my old friends from high school, seeing an amazing
a capella group perform at the Bowery Mission, and basically doing
other odd stuff that only happens to me in the city...  Amy and I
decided to head up to Irving Plaza.  Ok, so I live no more than 9
blocks from the venue but we managed to get soaked on the way over.
The rain was pretty bad and the wind made it so bad that you just
couldn't use an umbrella without it getting torn apart (not that i ever
do - NYC was not made with umbrella's in mind!!).  Doors weren't for
another half an hour so we decided to go get some tea in the cafe
across the street and wait for our buds to show up.  We see them
standing in line about 20 minutes later and basically chill in this
cafe for quite some time.  We saw the line start to move and decided to
head over to IP.
We got in to the club well after everyone else but because we had no
desire to check our stuff we just went straight upstairs and staked out
some awesome spots stage-dave.
Sarah Harmer took the stage soon thereafter and despite the fact that
she played the same set as last night - something was different.  I was
thoroughly impressed by tonight's set.  wow.  I'm not sure what it was
but I seriously got into the vibe.  Which is cool because there are
very, very few female singers that i dig these days.  Go Sarah.
Seeking Homer.  What can I say for these hometown boys other than that
they are amazing.  Being the only American band playing tonight they
did an awesome rendition of the star spangled banner and uhm yeah, i'm
still proud to be an american... lalalaaa!  If anyone is around on May
5th - go check 'em out at the free show at the seaport!  We had
fruvirgins with us and after these guys finished playing they turned to
us and asked, "ok, whoever the headlining band is - has some major
standards to live up to now."  and that they did... but from the first
song that fruvous played, she realized that they were going to have no
problem whatsoever in doing so.
I'm not sure what that first song was (something new, and something
cool) but it was totally rockin.  The show just got better from there.
I don't have a setlist or anything but I'll just outline a few of the
highlights.
There was more Murray banter which led into another Murray song
tonight... which was cool.  But it got super-duper-alice-cooper cool
when Jian started singing Run DMC's "It's Tricky."  Oh yeah baby.
Growing up in the hood of denver (and yes, it does exist) I'd have to
say that Run DMC was one of my fave bands... yes laugh at me now if you
must.  If you ever get a chance to see Run DMC live - go for it.
they're amazing, especially in the past two years.  Just awesome.  So
all i gotta say is "Go Jian." *grin*
Mike, during Minnie the Moocher made some crack about the Bloodhound
Gang's new song... again, just going to plug the fact that my buds in
this band called Nerf Herder are on tour with BHG right now - go check
'em out!!
Throughout the entire show the lads had so much energy - that was
really cool.   They all looked good and I have to mention Dave's "Liz
Claiborne" outfit.  very nice.
Also throughout the show were the hecklers (as always) and jian just
seemed to be getting love from all the guys in the audience - not to
mention the thirteen year old girls next to us screaming "WE LOVE YOUR
PANTS JIAN"  and then snickering to each other "Can we get in 'em?"
hahaa.
The final highlight of the evening was Mike during green eggs and ham.
"look at what you did to him!"  to which he took a seat on stage and
rocked himself back and forth while nibbling on a pear/apple which I
believe he called a "naranja" later on *grin*  Anyways, he started
speaking in spanish and that was just too funny.  When they moved on -
Mike crawled back to the rear of the stage - it was nice.
OH OH OH!!! the *REAL* highlight of the evening for me - they sang Kick
in the Ass...  which was teh first time I ever got to hear it live. I
was souped cause that was the song that initially got me liking the
lads.
Before Ash Hash, Jian started talking about the fact that you should
avoid X and other drugs (they are rold models after all and need to get
the message out there) rather, go for the hash - it's easier to hide.
There was some banter about Britney Spears being the real thing and
Christinia aguillera (sp?) being nothing but fake.  She'd be the Tonya
Harding of the music industry...
Finally, after the show ended - the house lights come on and music
starts playing... only it's Fruvous... and it's a pretty damn nice
recording of "disco bargainville" so we got a bit of a C album teaser
tonight.  very nice. :D

Allright, sorry this review blew the fatty... I've got two
research/term papers to write tonight/before tomorrow night's show...
oh yeah, i gotta love the end of the semester - what a way to spend a
friday night *sigh*  ah well, fruvous made it excellent :)

take it easy, JOrdaN
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 06:44:32 GMT
From: jewelee@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: 4/20 frushow story (damn funny).

"Special J" said:
> I happen upon this guy just standing on the corner of 41st and 8th
> Ave. by the bus station, looking quite distressed.  I’m a pretty
> friendly person (definitely not your “typical new yorker” by any
> means) and I start talking to him.

and she said...
> So I’m thinking... to hitchhike or not to hitchhike.  I start walking
> towards the ‘expressway’ with the intentions of thumbing it.  Within
> like 30 seconds of my finally deciding to take the risk and
> hitchhike... I hear this car horn honking behind me. beep beep!
> beep!  I turn around to find AMY!!  how crazy is that?!

oh my god!!! you are my hero!!! =)
I cannot believe that all that worked out for you - you're amazing!!!
ok, that's all I had to say (for now)!!  =)

love, Jewelee =)


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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:02:47 GMT
From: "Prop Builder" <WCSHOE@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: REQ: 4-21 show tape

Any tapers out there that taped last night's show? any way I could get a
copy?
After the fun I had at the Mays Landing show, I would have loved to be
there, but I had prior commitments...

wcshoe<at>worldnet<dot>att<dot>net
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                   -Bill
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"Once you take over the world, what are you going to do with it?"

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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:59:01 GMT
From: tmbgirl@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Americanism again

Just a quick question -  I used to have friends that lived in Toronto
and they told me that they were required to take "Canadian-American"
history in junior high and high school, as opposed to simply "Canadian"
history.  Is that true?
If that's the case, perhaps there's a very twisted way to view this
whole debate: Canadians only know about American affairs because they
were "forced" to.  (to anyone rolling their eyes right now - just hear
me out!)  I'd also like to throw in the fact that perhaps the media
feels "forced" to talk about American affairs there as well.  I'm not
sure why... but I've got a hunch.  I was sent an email that was "why
I'm proud to be Canadian" and one of the numerous reasons listed was
"there are fewer murders in Canada in a year, than there are in New
York City in a week."  It's kind of like everytime my friends and I
would drive 10 hours away from Denver to some weird cities in Wyoming
and we would find ourselves watching the Denver newscasts on TV despite
the fact that we were *so* far away.  Why? Simply because there was
very little news - at least not the bullshit type of "story making"
news - going on in these little towns in no-man's land, and Denver at
least had that going for them.  Where was I?
I'm making these connections in my head and I'm not sure if i'm piecing
them together for you guys, so basically...  Americans are too busy
trying to learn every little detail about US History in HS (come on you
all know that panic feeling you got right before the AP exams because
you had only completed the country's history through the first half of
your textbook and you knew the exam was covering contemporary history
too!) to even bother with anything else.  I can't really answer why
that is - I know that I wasn't interested in a lot of what I was
learning, but I was interested in getting high marks on the exam.  In
addition to that, at least at my ghetto-public HS back home - the only
other history course offered was "European."  Who do we blame for the
fact that Americans don't know sheeeit about their neighbors?  the kids
in these schools who just never had the opportunity to be exposed to
this information in school, through the news, etc.  This is the first
year I'm going to be able to vote and I'm, needless to say, thoroughly
disheartened (is that even a word?) with the whole situation.  I've sat
around and waited 18 years, anxiously awaiting the past 10 years, to be
able to do so and now I just sit back and think "this is it? this is
what I'm dealing with?"  Hahaa, i'm getting way off my point right now
sooo....

The truth of the entire matter, in my very humble (ha) opinion is that
"everybody knows the world is full of stupid people" and America just
got stuck with the ignorant ones too.  Don't get me wrong, I am a
product of the US and I'm throwing myself in that category as well.
There's just so many people out there that could care less about what's
going on in the world unless it's scandalous (need I mention monica
lewinsky?) or a complete farce.  That was probably the most interest
the US president has had from some characters in a looooooong time.
The last time I heard about a scandal in Canada or Mexico?  i couldn't
quite recall.  point made. *grin*

Oh yeah and real quick to all the people with "Anti-American"
sentiments.  Reminding us that you all don't want to be Americans... I
hear ya.  But why then, is Americanization taking place all over the
world at such a rapid pace if that's the case?

Allright, I'm just randomly ranting here... i was really planning on
defending the US in this post and hehee it just didn't happen.  i just
ended up sounding like every other stupid politician in the US - and
I'm frightened now.

take it easy, JordAN
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Date: 22 Apr 2000 15:11:45 GMT
From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash)
Subject: Ticket for Pawling Wanted

Does anyone have an extra ticket for the Towne Crier show in Pawling? I have
one ticket but need another.I'd be very grateful.


Feanole aka DrWhoFru

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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:11:43 +0100
From: Mike Wood <see@below.please>
Subject: Re: OT: Fun Album Titles

tmbgirl@my-deja.com wrote:
> 
> You mentioned so now i'm just going to say this.  BHG is on tour with
> my bud's band from Santa Barbara called Nerf Herder.  They are sooo
> awesome.

dood, u know Nerf Herder?? 
there's another example of a great band I wouldn't've gotten into if not
for very eye-catching packaging (for the "Sorry!" single). I think I
still have their first indie release around here somewhere but never
bought any of the #1-smash-hit-major-label followups (though wasn't
their first Arista record just the indie CD re-recorded?) 

I'm seeing BHG/Nerf here in TO on May 04, with a third band on the bill
called "A"... know anything about them? 

~MikeWood~ 
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"you don't boil BA's; you bake 'em!"

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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:50:39 GMT
From: FruCake1@aol.com
Subject: Re: whimper at the Ji-Spot

In a message dated 4/21/2000 7:35:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
isis@apk.netting writes:

<< And can't wait to see you for my birthday!  Yay!  So
 soon!  I hope the weather is better than it's been here.

The weather here also sucks. NY was a rainy wind tunnel last night. UGH!!   
No matter what the weather is in Annapolis though, we are going to party it 
up birthday girl!!!  I just hope I don't get out of control. ;)
 
 << So, everybody, check out the great hair debate, and throw in your 
opinions on
 whether Jian's "I Love my Boss" dance should be rated PG-13 or not.  >>


Way to go Donna! Get these people over to the Ji-Spot! (I owe you 3 drinks 
for that one. LOL)  By the way, great input on the Elian situation.

See you soon.
Lisa

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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:51:11 GMT
From: StarflashJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: REQ: 4-21 show tape

I would like a tape of the 4/21 show too if anyone has it cause I wasn't able 
to make it cause of the weather :-(  So instead I hada listen to their CD's 
and sleep in my Fruvous shirt... desperate......  Thanks.....

~*Jen*~

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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:09:27 GMT
From: Dead@thwip.polyamory.org, from@thwip.polyamory.org, the@thwip.polyamory.org, Neck@thwip.polyamory.org, Up@home.com (DeadHead)
Subject: 4/21/2000 Set List

Morning all!  Here's the set list from Irving Plaza.

Substitute (An old Who tune)
Half as Much
Horseshoes
some banter re: Jian - the persian cowboy
Fly
some banter re: Murray wondering if pale blue light made him disappear
on stage which led to a tune on Murray's pale blue shirt - 
- --Hey Murray! (Toni Basil-type cover)
Go To The Moon
Kick in The Ass
banter re: pie graphs, statistics to being role models - stay away
from xtc, pot, but stay with hash, which of course led to -
Ash Hash
Minnie the Moocher
Jockey Full of Bourbon
a little riff of People Who Need People
Michigan Militia
a little rock version of Michigan Militia
Johnny Saucep'n (but i think Jian though they were going to do
  Present Tense Toureen)
I Will Hold On (done by Jian and Dave)
Nuits
River Valley
Get In The Car
Your New Boyfriend
Disco Bargainville

encore 1-
King of Spain
Green Eggs & Ham (it was a pear Mike was eating)

encore 2-
Splatter, Splatter
Drinking Song

whew!  it was a great show & i'm glad to supply this list - especially
for my friend, Andrea, who couldn't be there last night.

we brought our daughter, Sara - it was her first show - and she had a
wonderful time.  i think now she understands why we like the lads so
much!  on the way out, she was approached by Jian who chatted with her
a bit (then we got bounced out by the IP staff ).  

kelsey has thoroughly enjoyed the past two days, since she and i did
the Mays Landing show the night before.  that was a great show also -
i love small venues.  at one point at Mays, the band left the stage,
asked for the house lights & came off stage.  after some conversation
with the audience, Jian proceeded to climb into the audience by
climbing over the auditorium seats!  what a kick!

so, on that happy note, i go to gather laundry (i really know how to
live!).  have a great day all.    :)

Robin a/k/a robinkat

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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:07:00 GMT
From: sisterpuff@my-deja.com
Subject: 4.21.00 review

Hey there! Day two of the Moxy Fruvous weekend is over!  Woohoo!  Ok,
so i guess I shouldn't be excited about that...because that means I
only have one more day and then have to return to Virginia...
After a day of walking around in the rain, getting totally drenched,
then chillin in Jordan's pad, we head for Irving Palace.  The walk over
there was like walking through a wind tunnel, let me tell ya.
Craziness...by the time we got to IP, I was soaked yet again and the
hair definitely needed to be pulled back.  Jordan and I chilled in a
cafe after talking briefly with Jill (pretty cool pants she had on, I
must say).  Robbie came and joined us and he's a pretty cool guy.  I
love Jordan's friends!  I guess that makes me part of her "posse"
(which even though I typed that, I am still in denial).
So, we head inside and get great spots stage Dave.  People were making
shadow puppets on the screen...ya.  That was fun.  So, Robbie's friends
join us and we had fru-virgins!  Yay!
Sarah Harmer rocked.  Same set, but I think the fact that we were all
standing and stuff made it better so we could dance and stuff (as
compared to Mays Landing).  I enjoyed her.
Seeking Homer.  Ok, these guys are "sex on a stick" to quote Jordan.
They were totally awesome.  Definitely what we needed to get us going.
I could tell that I was going to loose my voice last night (I am kinda
sick, by the way...so my voice is almost gone anyway).  They remind me
of Dave Matthews and this other band that I can't quite remember.  I
want to say Everything or the Pat McGee Band...but I'm not too sure
since both those bands are not at all like eachother.  Anyways, they
rocked my world.
Fruvous came on...  Jian had on jeans and sneakers, which is totally
different from what I'm used to seeing him in.  It was a pleasant
change in a way.  Dave's suit was awesome.  And, taking a closer look,
brought out the blue in his eyes.  Very beautiful, if he doesn't mind
my saying.
So, the first song was great.  I'll be very happy if I could find out
the name of the song and if it's on the C album.
Jian told everyone the story about his new hat and where he found it.
He said that they were practicing in their rehearsal space last week in
Toronto.  The rehearsal space is actually a piano repair spot that is
filled with just about anything and they are constantly discovering new
things.  Anyway, so Jian finds this hat and thinks that it's cool and
decides to take it.  Then, Dave comes in and starts singing "Persian
Cowboy" to the tune of...something Jordan and I can't remember...it was
funny, though.  So, ya.  The hat.  I don't know about you, but it
doesn't look like any of the cowboy hats I've seen.  But, whatever.  If
Jian likes it, then that's fine with me.
During Michigan Militia, a string on Dave's banjo broke and he looked
like he was going to pull it off, but then after a bit of trying took
it off and handed it to Toby in the wings.  He then ran around the
stage and eventually picked up a guitar and started playing that.
Suddenly, Michi turned into a metal band song.  Made it sound sooo
different.  Dave rocks.  Even though the sound of the song changed, he
compensated the loss of the banjo with the electric guitar.  Is this
yet anothe example of why we all love this bald headed man?  I know
it's why I do. :-)
I Will Hold On was played in a new way.  Murray and Mike exited the
stage, and I was like, huh?  where are they going?  Jian and Dave were
left to sing...no instruments except for the guitar.  Beautiful but
different.  I liked it.  Kinda made me think of what Fruvous would be
like on MTV unplugged, if that program still came on...
So, yet another night of pleasant surprises coming from Fruvous.
We'll be seeing them tonight in NoHo!  This'll be Jordan's first trip
to Massachusetts and my second.  Yippy!  So, we're headed out now and
we'll see you there!
Amy
oh, and by the way, we're the two sex on a stick girls, so come and say
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Date: 22 Apr 2000 16:55:55 GMT
From: loudsioux@aol.com (Loud Sioux)
Subject: Re: Americanism again

< In addition to that, at least at my ghetto-public HS back home - the only
< other history course offered was "European."  Who do we blame for the
< fact that Americans don't know sheeeit about their neighbors?  the kids
< in these schools who just never had the opportunity to be exposed to
< this information in school, through the news, etc.  This is the first
< year I'm going to be able to vote and I'm, needless to say, thoroughly
< disheartened (is that even a word?) with the whole situation.  
Well, that's a step up form when I was in HS and we had a course called "World
History" which was basically  European history, but essentially implied that
the rest of the world was insignificant and that the history of countries and
people in Asia and Africa were irrelevant to us in the "Civilized" world. 
Fortunately, we had both intelligent, knowledgeable teachers and students who,
being of Asian and African descent, rejected this assumption as best we could. 
Yes, they had to slog through the curriculum and yes we all wanted to get good
grades (it was a public school, but with only a college prep curriculum, A.P.
and all that jump through the hoops mentality, too.)   But the teachers
expanded and elaborated, when possible and the students demanded, and got in
some cases, minor subjects like Afro-American studies.  
	And it's not so much ignorance, cause in real life you can and should look it
up if someone points out something that you don't know, it arrogance that
caused other "Americans" that's right, people form N. & S. America, to view us
with distaste and even distain.  I mean, when I was in Toronto, it took thought
to remember to say I'm from "The States"  or the U.S. not America, we all think
like that and won't change unless we make a consious effort.  
	Of course, it's easy to snipe at us if you're Canadian, just like it was easy
to be a Democrat during the scourge of Reganomics and the Bush aftermath, and
snipe and piss and moan, but that didn't solve any national problems and
blaming the U.S. alone won't solve any international problems.  [Although I
must admit, I like the sniping so much that I never did exchange my $60.
Canadian after  I returned form Toronto.  I think of it as escape $$$ in case
Baby Bush gets elected and drags the nonlusterous gov. of PA along with him. 
Hey, Canadians, name that Gov. no, really, I'm form PA so I know what a
mealymouthed schmuck he is.  He managed to single-handedly insult a foreign
country while still a state gov. and drive away a multi mil $$$ deal to keep
shipbuilding in Phila.  Thanks to Philly's then mayor Ed Rendell, another deal
was found and closed, averting disaster for many  Philadelphians and the city's
economy.  Unfortunately, Gov. guess who got to bask in the glory --- and that's
politics, friends!
	Wait, what NG is this?  Oh, yeah, Fruheads, wow, I got carried away, there.
So, yeah, weren't those 1st 2  concerts great!   Well, the camera people in
Mays Landing were a bit annoying, but funny:-)  I kept trying to keep out of
range and I think a babbled something about not filming me 'cause I'm in the
witness protection program, which they didn't seem to hear, but a few people in
the aisles near where I was rambling looked at a mite funny.  Like maybe they
wished I'd go witness someplace else.  So, sorry to anyone who's way I may have
gotten in while dancing.  I try to take that into account, when seeking a small
spot in which to twirl, but these things hap.  don't hesitate to tip me off if
I need to move in the future, folks, but please try to remember that we all
have feelings, even the weird among us, and at least among Fruvous fans we
should try to give each other the benefit of the doubt.
	Well, I'm done, except for one thing.  Why, someone (sorry, my screen won't
click back for a reference, cause I'm barely computer literate) asked why is
the rest of the world becoming "Americanized" so rapidly?  Well, let's just
look at how it works here.  My neighborhood pharmacy was bought out by Rite
Aid, because they made him an offer he would be an idiot to refuse, running so
close to bankrupcy as he was.  And they didn't replace it with a pharmacy, they
let the building stand unused for over a year, just to get rid of some
competition.  But don't take my word for it, ask Bill Gates, he knows quite a
few tricks of "persuasion" and "salesmanship".  That's pretty much how it's
done, no popular up welling of demand for crappy fast food and shoddily made
goods that profit U.S. compaines but manufacture these products where labor is
cheap (read kids and mothers with kids) and governments (like in South America)
make deforestation and strip mining, etc. possible in ways they couldn't get
away with here.
	Yeah, it sure was a great concert.  The only thing that really pissed me off
was that they keep changing form the Beatles to the Eagles and it just messes
with my head and my feeling of elite insiderness.  And, thanks a heap, guys,
cause now they're probably *never* going to end with The Drinking Song" again. 
  And that Gulf War Song is so political, I just don't know!
	And it is true that the camera guys left before the political banter began,
but I don't remember any reprise of the Elian humor of the previous night, do
I?  

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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:24:28 GMT
From: Kate Bunting <castalusoria@netscape.net>
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I found out a shortly ago about the program, "Moxy Fruvous World," and =
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:42:53 GMT
From: sisterpuff@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Americanism again

Ok, so now I'm going to throw my three cents in.
I woke up this morning and Jordan was typing away on the NG.  She told
me about some of the stuff that was being said and I was quite
intrigued.  Now she's gone back to bed (and giving me dirty looks for
typing away) and it's my turn to say something...
I really don't know where all of this will go...and I'm definitely not
an expert on this subject, being a senior PSYC major that took one poli
sci course, sleeping through every class, and getting a B just because
I memorized everything in the book.  Ok, so this just proves how
passive of an American I am.  I guess point one was just made. :-)
First, the American arrogance thing kinda got to me.  We should all be
proud that we're in America.  Just last night Seeking Homer got the
crowd riled up about being the only American band and playing the Star
Spangled Banner and stuff.  We are all partiotic about our country.
Fruvous takes pride in being Canadian.  My friend Atasi takes pride in
being Indian.  We are all proud of our nationality.  If people don't
like being Americans and think being Canadian is better, I say go to
Canada and live it up.  Now, I'm not saying that I think you shouldn't
be here.  Stay here.  Do whatever you want.  It's America...a free
country.  Anyway, so ya the news is geared towards American news.
Basically because that's where we are and plenty of stuff happens
here.  But it depends on where you live what kind of news you get, on
the local news, mind you.  I live in Hicksville (ok, if you want to get
techincal...Harrisonburg, VA) and our local news is really, really
bad.  Nothing ever happens there.  Not a damn thing.  And so nobody
watches it because it's basically community event listings and stuff.
People want to hear about the sensational stories.  This entire Elian
Gonzalez thing is sooo old, but it's something to report about.
Wherever the kid goes, I feel bad for him.  This past year or however
long it has been has been traumatic for the kid.  Every move he makes
he's been on camera.  Just the other day he put his hand through his
fence and this guy is yanking on it.  Elian tried to pull it away, but
the jerk wouldn't let go until a few moments later.  And who was
pulling on his arm?  A newsman.  We all go for this sensational stories
and the news reflects it.  The newsman was trying to get just that much
closer to the "news" than everyone else so his station would get better
coverage.
Hmph.  Where am I going?  I guess that just proves that America is all
about being on top.  The news stations are trying to get the ratings.
But, isn't that the American dream?  We are all trying to be as
successful as possible.  Why do we go to college?  Sure, to get a
higher education, but those diplomas get us better paying jobs and
hopefully a better life.  We want to be better.  America tries to make
itself better in comparison to other countries.  Americans are just
flippin competitive jerks if that's how you want to put it.  We want to
one up other countries.
...ok, so I just thought about Jordan's mentioning of having to take
courses in American history in comparison to Canadians taking
American/Canadian history.  So, I took AP history and AP government in
high school.  AP history was a joke in my school.  My teacher was a
crazy man.  And, by the time the AP exams came around, we were up to
WWII (by the way, the Civil War through WWI was taught in one class
setting, about an hour's length of time).  There was sooo much
information that we had to learn on our own.  Courses down here have so
much US history in them that it's hard to pull in from other
countries.  Anyway, then in AP government, the first half of the year
was spent covering American government and the second half was spent
covering governments of other countries.  We studied the Mexican
government but not the Canadian government.  Sadly, I don't remember
anything that was covered in that class.  Again, yes, I am a passive
American.
I don't know what point I am trying to make here.  Alls I'm saying is
that America isn't all that bad.  I can't name all the presidents that
we've had in chronoligical order or list off all the state capitals,
but I can recall most of them. And, I do not know who the senators of
Virginia are (Allen is the governor, though!). This does not make me
any less of a person.  I guess I'm just proving Jian's point here...but
I'm not too sure what his point was since I wasn't there to hear it.
Ugh.  I don't know what I'm saying.  All I know is that putting aside
all the materialism and capitalism in this country, I'm damn proud to
be living here.  I've lived in 5 states now and each one is different
in its own way.  The home of the free...we can all be different.
Uhm, so ya.  I think I'm just going to leave this now.  Because I've
totally lost track...
thanks
amy


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