From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #185 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, April 16 2000 Volume 04 : Number 185 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Avocado & Brie sandwiches-WAS-Re: Toronto advice [serra44@aol.comantispam] C album HELP!!! ["maryanne naylor" ] Re: FOR SALE: 4/20 Fru-ticket, please someone buy it! [fruwench@aol.com (] Re: OT: mp3s - Local Anxiety (was: 3 Dead Trolls) ["Chris K @*_*@" ] A question about the Brown Derby version of Fell In Love ["Charles Currie] Re: A question about the Brown Derby version of Fell In Love ["^kat^" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Apr 2000 05:32:55 GMT From: serra44@aol.comantispam (Jill Friedman) Subject: Avocado & Brie sandwiches-WAS-Re: Toronto advice > It's behind the Poor Alex Theatre (hidden in >the alley) and offers the best-ever avocado & brie sandwiches. OH MY GOD!!!! When I was in England, I had this delectable treat for the first time, and I AM HOOKED! But sadly, it is not a recipie in the US collective cookbook consciousness. *sniff* Proof once more that Canada is a little slice of England on this side of the pond. ::starts singing:: Oh Canada.... - -J writing a song called the Ballad of Jill V. Fruhead Ji-Murray person The Leopard Lady "She's too short to play me."-Joey Potter Too short to play herself in a movie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:58:31 GMT From: "maryanne naylor" Subject: C album HELP!!! It is my understanding that the C album will be available in May does that mean May 7th at Toads Place? Does anyone know? Thanks in advance Mar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 2000 14:48:25 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: FOR SALE: 4/20 Fru-ticket, please someone buy it! I don't have a tx for that show yet . . . is yours still up for grabs? And how would I get it this late? ladywench "Music not danced to is music wasted." - Eileen Ivers, PFF 38 FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:42:17 GMT From: "Chris K @*_*@" Subject: Re: OT: mp3s - Local Anxiety (was: 3 Dead Trolls) Might as well post another band that has a link to mp3.com to listen to their music :) Gee, do I see a trend here - finding good music on mp3s that will encourage you to buy the CD? http://home.iSTAR.ca/~mly/localanxiety.htm There is a link at the top that will take you to mp3.com for their songs. A history of the group appears on that page of the shows they have been featured on & *gasp* a direct link to an mp3 for your listening pleasure! =O They have some great songs called "Forgive Us We're Canadian" and "The Coffee Song." :) Christine. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* - --Diet soda? - --No thanks. FREAKED!!!! - --Fiddle Faddle? Elijah to Ricky - --Alright.....delicious. 1993 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:51:49 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: My name is Joe, and I ,, Am,,, Canadian "Sigrid, the only FruSmurf" wrote: > Only looking at the surface of things, I love this commercial. It's about > being proud of Canada, being Canadian, the little differences between the > north and south of the border types that we Canucks treasure so much....BUT, > and I agree totally with the National Post on this who had this topic on the > front page earlier this week, this commercial is not about national pride at > all, it's an ad. National pride is a gimmick, a tool, and a rather potent > one. All Molson's want to do with this is sell beer and make money. And it's > sad that Molson's has to sink so low just to compete with Labatt's "Out of > the Blue" campaign. It's equally sad that people are getting sucked into > this. IMO, national pride should not be a saleable commodity. Well, you'd think so. On the other hand, if it takes a beer commercial to get the whole national pride thing going, so be it. It probably does more to instill any national pride than anything the government could come up with (hey, how 'bout those millenium quarters, eh?), and it's more heartening to see commercials like this coming from a 100% Canadian owned company than some cheesy attempt by a multi-national soft-drink company based in Atlanta. So, yes, this is part of Molson's attempt to sell more beer, but the national pride thing is a positive spinoff. Also the fact that the big two national breweries have some of the most entertaining commercial out there, is definitely a mitigating factor. So I, for one, am OK with using national pride to sell beer. Sells more beer, and hopefully helps combat this inferiority complex thing we have. Oh, and by the way, I try to take everything in the National Post (especially the front page) with a grain of salt. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 2000 18:40:22 GMT From: dalevy@aol.com (DALevy) Subject: Re: My name is Joe, and I ,, Am,,, Canadian >it's more heartening to see commercials like this >coming from a 100% Canadian owned company than some cheesy attempt by a >multi-national soft-drink company based in Atlanta. Um, isn't Molson owned by Philip Morris? Or that just the US distributor? Doug Levy San Francisco DALevy@NOSPAM.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 2000 19:47:54 GMT From: leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender) Subject: Re: digesting a digest ... (Vol 4 #183) >Peel and Play fun at its finest! What about good ol' rubber cement? Paint it on your desk, peel it when it's dry, make unflattering sculptures of the teacher... - -Bender (I was bad when I was little...) - ---------------------------------- Flowers abloom on a cold, dry night Cryin' out for sunshine and rain You gotta understand, that's just the way it is To keep you from going insane - --- Barry Bender - ---------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:59:39 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: My name is Joe, and I ,, Am,,, Canadian DALevy wrote: > >it's more heartening to see commercials like this > >coming from a 100% Canadian owned company than some cheesy attempt by a > >multi-national soft-drink company based in Atlanta. > > Um, isn't Molson owned by Philip Morris? Or that just the US distributor? > Doug Levy > San Francisco > DALevy@NOSPAM.aol.com Probably the latter. I recall much fanfare a few years ago when Molson bought out 50% of its share (i.e., all that which was foreign owned) to be once again all-Canadian owned. They used the opportunity to make a few subtle jabs at Labatt, which is owned by a Belgian conglomerate. - -Josh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:52:19 GMT From: Ofer Inbar Subject: the ammf news server saga On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 10:08:31PM +0000, "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > Well the gateway is back up again! You can tell by the HUNDREDS of old > messages pouring into your mailboxes! > > Isn't technology grand? On Sat, Mar 25, 2000 at 01:40:47PM -0600, Josh Drury wrote: > > corbe001 wrote: > > > Um, sorry to bother the whole newsgroup, but I just got about ten messages > > from Dec. 99 sent to me. I guess the gateway is acting up. Hopefully it will > > be in a better mood soon! I'm still recovering from the 300+ messages from > > yesterday... :-) So now that it looks like things have settled down a bit, I can tell the saga of the news server, and why the gateway was so flaky all through March. The mail-news gateway has a few parts: A news server where articles can be fetched from and posted to, for the news side; a mailing list server where messages can be sent to, for the mail side; the script that receives email, checks it out, and posts it to the news server; and the script that grabs new articles from the news server and mails them off to the list. Now, except for the mailing list server, all of these moved in March, but the saga is really about the news server. Except for the mailing list, everything was running on servers belonging to work. Originally, work was a company I co-founded, but later we got bought, and then we got merged, and then bought again. So I've gotten further and further away from the people who make the decisions. Our office was supposed to move earlier this year, and as part of being "integrated" and no longer a separate group acting as if it were still its own company, we were to eliminate a bunch of our servers when we moved. For example, why should we run a DNS server when the company that owns us has DNS servers, and charges clients for getting DNS from them? And so on. The move date at the time was set for March 15th. The server where the mail->news and news->mail scripts lives was one of the ones to not move with us. I moved both of those scripts to my own personal server, no problem. But the news server we'd been running for years was another of the servers we weren't supposed to move, so I set about on a search for a new news server... The most obvious first place to go was the Exodus news server (Exodus being our parent company). I found the person to talk to, got access to that server, and redirected the news->mail script to use it. Less than a week later, the Exodus news server died. I won't get into the internal politics, but in summary, that server was taken over by a different group within Exodus, and is no longer for customer use, only for employees. The news software's license lapsed. They will get a new license and bring it back up, but since it's not for clients anymore it seems to be a low priority and who knows how long they'll take to get around to it. About the time that happened, someone I know was setting up a news server, and gave me access to it, so I switched to that. But less than a week later, his spool disk crashed. He began rebuilding a cyclic spool over that weekend, but then became sick, and his server remained down for a week and a half. Ugh. So, I went on searching for a new news-home for ammf. I had already tried to get access to a major ISP's news server, where I friend I know is a sysadmin, but even though he said yes he kept being really slow responding to email and I wasn't getting anywhere. When the third news server died, I could no longer wait, so I went to commercial ISPs. I was about to try SuperNews, an ISP which sells NNTP access to news servers, but found that their customer agreement says no automated programs allowed, in big capital letters and everything, so I figured that was a bad idea. I tried The World, a local ISP here in Boston (and the first ISP in the world), but they didn't offer NNTP access (well, they do as part of a shell account, which I already have, but then I'd have to run the gateway program itself on their server rather than mine, which would make it harder to maintain and run up my bills a lot). Finally, I found it: ShoreNet, another old-school local ISP here near Boston, sells NNTP access to two IPs for $5/month. Yay! So, that is what we're using now. Since Shore actually has a lot of paying customers using their news server, I hope that if it has problems they'll take care of it promptly. However, if any of you see problems, please tell me so I can report it to them. And as a backup, I still have access to the news server which had the spool rebuilt, and it's now back up. The saga isn't entirely over yet. Our office didn't move on March 15th, but it's now supposed to move next week. My personal server is at the office, so I need to move it too. But that should just be a day or two of downtime and no new issues, I hope :) -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@polyamory.org cos@wbrs.org -- Exodus Professional Services -- cos@ne.cohesive.com "A distributed system is one in which I cannot get any work done because a machine I've never heard of is down" -- Leslie Lamport ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:00:03 -0700 From: "Charles Currie Creelman" Subject: A question about the Brown Derby version of Fell In Love Does anyone know about this version? I just found it on a Macster server, and it sounds like a studio (as in multitracked) version of Fell In Love. It sounds quite a bit like Fruvous, but I'm just wondering if it really is, since it's a bit glossier than their normal stuff, and in some parts it doesn't really sound like them at all. However, it's pretty cool. Any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:40:23 -0400 From: "^kat^" Subject: Re: A question about the Brown Derby version of Fell In Love "Charles Currie Creelman" wrote : > Does anyone know about this version? yep. brown derbies are an a cappella group out of brown university. they do covers of quite a bit of cool stuff (barenaked ladies' "brian wilson" & rem's "texarkana", to name a couple), & have cds & such available online at www.brownderbies.com. i'm sorely tempted to order a cd... but i'm hoping maybe one of yale's 13 (!) a cappella groups'll add some fruvous to their repertoires someday. after may 7, perhaps...? *grin* ^kat^ "i heard her on the radio..." http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:47:10 GMT From: Marie-Claude Danis Subject: Re: My name is Joe, and I ,, Am,,, Canadian I think it's interesting how tonight before the Toronto/Ottawa game at the Air Canada Centre, "Joe" was supposed to make an appearance and perform his much-loved Rant. Even more interesting is the fact that Hockey Night in Canada is sponsored by Labatt and that of course they didn't air it. More to the point, I wish I was in Ottawa so I could get some sympathy regarding the outcome of these first two games. *gripe* Peace (sort of) out, MC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 03:21:30 GMT From: Lori Martin Subject: Starbucks For those of you attentive to Jian's boycott ... from http://prorev.com/fastnews.htm STARBUCKS CAVES GLOBAL EXCHANGE: Bowing to human rights activists demands to begin guaranteeing a living wage for small coffee farmers in the developing world, Starbucks announced today that it has signed a contract to sell Fair Trade Certified coffee as one of its brands in more than 2,000 cafes across the United States starting this fall. The announcement comes just three days before the launch of a nationwide, grassroots campaign demanding that the giant retailer offer its customers the choice to buy socially responsible, Fair Trade Certified coffee.. Protests in front of Starbucks cafes had been scheduled to take place in 30 cities across the country on Thursday, April 13. "This represents the largest purchase of Fair Trade Certified coffee in the United States," said Deborah James, Director of the Fair Trade Program at Global Exchange, a San Francisco-based human rights organization that had organized the nationwide protests. "Itıs a huge victory for farmers in the developing world. Thousands of farming families in poor countries will see their incomes triple with this purchase." Contact: Jason Mark, Global Exchange, 415-255-7296 x 230 or Deborah James 510.290.0573 Although I'm not sure the fair trade issue is the reason Jian dislikes Starbucks -- that's just *one* of the ways their hands have gotten dirty. - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html photos now up at the Ravine: Utica, Spring Gulch, Falcon Ridge, SoNo, and Annapolis. more coming soon! ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #185 ********************************************