From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #171 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, April 3 2000 Volume 04 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [OT: a cappella] [Katherine Bunting ] A Moxy Fruvous Desktop [PoppRoxx14@aol.com] Re: Kathedral show setlist + notes [mike96@bluecrow.com (Mike Yoshioka)] Re: OT: Batnoses [Chad Maloney ] Re: Kathedral show setlist + notes ["Kate Leahy" ] re: Kathedral, et all [SnarkiFru ] [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (0/4) [Chad ] [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (2/4) [Chad ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:46:28 GMT From: Katherine Bunting Subject: Re: [OT: a cappella] I *highly* recommend checking out CASA, the Contemporary A Cappella Society (which used to be.. "of America," but as it's international, these days, they've mostly dropped that part in all but the acronym). The web page is at http://www.casa.org . They have lists of local contacts-- "ambassadors" who are folks active in the a cappella community who act as resource people for new and existing groups. As I don't know where you are, check out the list to find the person for your area! There's a FAQ on the web site that's good information about the Society, a cappella in general, and the Usenet newsgroup rec.music.a-cappella . (there still is a alt.music.a-cappella group, but it sees little traffic these days, as far as I know; virtually everything posted there is also posted to the former, too) Membership in CASA can get you free arrangements from the massive arrangements library-- something your teacher might find beneficial. Also, groups can join the organization, and take advantage of this good deal! The CASA songbooks are a series of easy-to-learn arrangements of a number of 'a cappella standards' and some of the most popular songs done by all kinds of groups. I've always found the folks at CASA to be friendly and helpful. :) Also, for recordings, songbooks, and other a cappella-related materials, two good sources are www.a-cappella.com (Mainely A Cappella), and www.singers.com (Primarily A Cappella). They've got virtually the same stuff; one's on the West Coast, one's on the East; if you've got a Coastal preference, that might aid your decision; otherwise, check out the web sites. Happy singing! - - Kate From: MJ Subject: OT: good a capella songs? >I *really* want to start an a capella group in my school, "Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?" ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:19:33 GMT From: PoppRoxx14@aol.com Subject: A Moxy Fruvous Desktop hi all! i was thinking last nite and does anyone eles think it woudl be cool to have a desktop theme of our favorite lads from canada? well i do! only problem is i dont know enough about computer to even know where to begin to make one but it was just and idea love light Erica ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:04:08 GMT From: mike96@bluecrow.com (Mike Yoshioka) Subject: Re: Kathedral show setlist + notes On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 01:40:40 +0000, Mike Wood wrote: >first: >THANK U FIONA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FeeF! rocks :) I never did thank her properly for taking me to the HHoF during FruCon. So, Thanks Fiona! (please note in the thanks part I at least wrote Fiona, and not FeeF! ;) ) >TO BAND: puhLEASE do a series of shows here!!! (maybe for Frucon4?) The How big a place is it? And Whereabouts is it? >MURRAY: >Indoor Fireworks Is this new? Or am I just showing my cluelessness? >MIKE: >Dangling Participle >a really odd new song; part Tom Waits, part Tom Lehrer. Different. >Challenging. Cool. Damnit :) more stuff I've never heard :~) *snip set list of a bunch of stuff I've never had the honour of hearing* >Falconrdige!!!) Please email me or MC if anyone taped this! (i never >bother to tape anymore as someone else usually is.) while not being one Ok, I won't start a me too! thread here, but uhm, if you or MC get a copy of this, could you let me know too :) >of my favorite shows (the Luxor Hotel or NoHo '98 probably has that They played at the Luxor Hotel? The big pyramid hotel in Vegas? Or is there some other Luxor hotel? Mike aka Racer aka What time is it? Has that clock been changed? guy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:58:53 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: OT: Batnoses Gordon Nash wrote: > > My friend and I used to discuss who would win a bridge match between the X-men > and the Superfriends, this is much more normal. My money was on the X-Men Wolverine: Awright, punk. It's yer deal. No whinin'. Jayna: Ok, Wolverine. Thanks. Jayna : Your deal, my make. Wolverine jumps over the table and onto Zan. He shoves his hand into Zan's throat and two long adamantium claws protrude quickly from his hands accompanied by a SNIKT sound. The claws straddle Zan's little neck and Zan looks like he's about to pee his pants. Wolverine: No telepathy this game, bastards or I'll show what for. Zan: Uh.... uh... sorry... uh.... sir. Nightcrawler: Logan, mein Freund, you need to be a little more friendly. This is not a competition. Wolverine: Awright, awright. But no cheatin' or whinin'. Deal. Zan deals the cards while Jayna shuffles the second deck and carefully places them on her right so Nightcralwer can deal next time. They pick up their hands. Wolverine smirks a bit. Wolverine: Yer bid, punk. Zan: I'm not even done counting my points yet! Wolverine: No whinin' Zan: Sorry... s... s... sorry, sir. Um... pass. Nightcrawler: I believe I will be bidding 2 hearts. Ja. Jayna looks confused. Jayna: Wolverine, can I ask you what that 2 hearts bid meant to you? Wolverine: What? Did ya learn your SAYC from Aquagirl over there or what? It's a standard weak 2 open. He's got 6 hearts and 8-12 points. Charles Goran must be roling in his grave at you two suckers. Jayna looks frustrated. Jayna: Double I guess. Wolverine: You guess? Double you guess? You gotta double with gusto, lady. Jayna (forcefully): Double! Wolverine: Better. And that geek twin o' yers better know thats a take-out double and not a penalty double or he's gotta get a beating. Wolverine stares at his hand a bit. Wolverine: Pass Zan chuckles and Wolverine stares him down. Zan: Pass I guess. Wolverine slams his hand on the table. Wolverine: Pass?!? Pass?? You can't pass. A take out double is a demand bid if the person inbetween passes ya pansy. Bid again. Zan: Uh... uh... 2 spades. Nightcrawler: I must be passing. Jayna: 3 spades? Wolverine: Pass to you, bucko. Zan: 4 spades I guess? Oh, I don't know. Yeah, 4 spades. Nightcralwer: Pass Jayna: Pass Wolverine: Hehe. Double me boy. And that's the right way to double. Zan looks nervous. Zan: Uh.. pass. Nightcrawler: Pass Jayna: Pass Nightcralwer: Est ist yours for 4 spades. Mein lead pard, ja? Wolverine: Yeah, buddy. Oh yeah. Nightcrawler leads an Ace of Hearts. Jayna places her hand down on the board face up. S: H: D: C: A 2 K A 10 Q J 4 8 8 2 2 7 Wolverine: Say "Thank you pard". Zan: Uh... thank you pard. Wolverine: Ok. Now play. Zan: 2 Hearts please. Wolverine throws on his queen of hearts and Zan throws a 3 of hearts on it. Wolverine snatches up the trick. Wolverine: I'll rake 'em, you take 'em. Nightcrawler grins. Nightcrawler leads a 10 of hearts. Zan: Playing to your partner's king, huh? Hehe. Zan plays a low trump off the board. The 2 of spades. Wolverine: I bet you've heard this a lot. Never send a boy to do a mans job, bucko. Wolverine slams on his 5 of spades knowing full well that Zan's hand has the rest of the hearts in it. Zan dejectedly tosses his 5 of hearts and Wolverine rakes that trick too. Wolverine leads the 7 of diamons. Zan plays the 3 of diamonds from his hand. Nightcrawler pushes with the 9 of diamonds. Zan takes the trick using the board's Queen of diamonds. Zan leads a 10 of spades, hoping to force out that king he's missing. Wolverine throws on a 6 of spades without batting an eye. Zan plays the queen of spades from his hand to take the trick. Nightcrawler throws his 3 of spades. Zan's trick. Wolverine: You're counting those trumps, right? Zan: Uh.. yeah.. I think. Wolverine: Good. Plenty more where that came from. Zan knows the king isn't singleton in Nightcrawler's hand now or else he would have played it over the queen last time. Grrrrr. He leads another trump. This time, the 9. Nightcrawler throws off a 4 of hearts and Zan sighs. Wolverine: Bad split there, pally. Zan does the math and sees that King in Wolverine's hand really protected. He's got 3 more trump, 2 more after this round. More than Zan has combined. Grrr. Zan throws his ace of spades. Wolverine throws a 7 of spades. Zan's trick. Zan's mind is racing. This is going badly. He needs his clubs to be good. the rest of his trump to be good and get a lucky diamonds trick. That's asking waaaay too much. The power is in Wolverine's hand, but all his finesses are through Nightcrawler. This sucks bad. He hears Gleek chimping around in the background and it annoys him. Zan figures he'll get the Q of clubs out and try to run his clubs then hopefully cross rough and be down 1. He crosses his fingers. Zan leads 8 of clubs. Wolverine looks at the board and throws his King down laughing. Zan throws the 5 of clubs from his hand. Nightcralwer throws the 3 of clubs. Wolverine rakes the trick. Wolverine immediately leads back the King of Spades as Zan winces. Zan throws in his jack and the board's 4. Nightcralwer throws off a low heart. Wolverine rakes that trick too and Zan's looking dejected. Wolverine looks at the board and knows he has no good leads. He could cash in his ace right now. If he gives up the lead to the board, he'll lose a couple club tricks before he can trump out of them. Ace now, think later. Wolverine throws his ace of diamonds. Zan throws a 4 of diamonds under it. Nightcralwer throws a 10 of diamonds. Zan throws off the 2 from the board. Wolverine takes that trick too. Wolverine tries to figure out what to lose to. Hmmm. Wolverine leads the 4 of clubs. Zan sighs a bit happily and plays the Q of clubs. Nightcrawler throws on the 9. Zan adds the 7 off the board and rakes the trick. Zan leads the Jack of hearts out of his hand. Nightcrawler throws on his 9 under it. Zan throws off an 8 of diamonds. Wolverine stares at his hand a bit, and trumps it. Wolverine rakes the trick and makes a nice tidy book out of the 6 tricks they've taken. Wolverine lays down his hand. Wolverine: Rest are yours kid. I gotta lead to the board and you're all aces there. Zan: Yeah. Nightcralwer: Down 3. Jayla: Nice try, Zan. I guess I bid you up a bit with my 3 spade request for game. I have 14 points and with your minimum 6 points, I figured we had the 3 level for sure and if had a medium hand then we'd be great at game. Zan: Yeah. I only had 3 spades too. I was counting on too much from your double then the split was horrid. Wolverine: And I'm sure Omar Sharif is on his way to shoot you both right now. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:53:38 -0400 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: Kathedral show setlist + notes >>MURRAY: >>Indoor Fireworks > >Is this new? Or am I just showing my cluelessness? This is an Elvis Costello cover, and a mighty good one at that :). Murray's done it several times in the past. - --Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com "And in all the idiots I see Thoughtless men casting doubts on me . . . Enlightening . . ." - --Guster ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:11:48 GMT From: SnarkiFru Subject: re: Kathedral, et all Subject: Kathedral show setlist + notes said MikeWood: first: THANK U FIONA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fiona is woman-of-the-hour for being at Kathedral friday nite and alerting us this evening to the signs she saw advertising tonight's one-off. DAMMIT!! DAMMITDAMMITDAMMITDAMMITDAMMITDAMMITDAMMITDAMMITDAMMIT I was gonna go to Toronto this weekend! but Nooooooooooooooooo, i had to drag my stupid arse to some damned club to meet up with some guy... grrrr!!!! argghhhh!!!!! oh well, at least he showed. - --Angie They say that the Road to Hell is paved with good intentions... well, at least it will be a smooth ride - --me ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:45:56 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (0/4) - ---------------=======================================-------------- FAQ Comments: ammf-faq@fruvous.com FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html Newsgroup: news://alt.music.moxy-fruvous Website: http://www.fruvous.com - ---------------=======================================-------------- *** FAQ Update *** This is the monthly posting of the alt.music.moxy-fruvous official Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list. An updated version of this text is posted to the newsgroup on the first of each month. Updated records are easily recognizable by looking for *'s in the FAQ itself. WARNING: This posting is positively huge. It is broken into 4 parts of about 500 lines each. An HTML version of this FAQ with hyperlinks (making it infinitely more readable), is available at Fruvous Dot Com: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html The alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ is currently actively maintained and provides a centralized placed to look for answers to commonly asked questions on the newsgroup. All questions, comments, or suggestions for the FAQ should be sent to ammf-faq@fruvous.com. Discussions of the FAQ and its contents are appropriate for the newsgroup, but please cc: ammf-faq@fruvous.com also to insure the FAQ maintainer gets them also. - - Keeper of the FAQ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:46:03 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (2/4) [Begin part 2/4] Section: Basic Moxy Fruvous Information 1) Who is Moxy Fruvous? "Coming from Canada," a Toronto-based quartet of singer-songwriters who double as political satirists, comedians, social commentators, etc. The band includes Mike Ford (guitar, harmonica, bongos, keyboard, occasional drum kit and vocals), Murray Foster (bass, occasional drum kit, percussion, occasional guitar, and vocals), Jian Ghomeshi (drums, percussion, occasional guitar, and vocals), and Dave Matheson (guitar, accordion, banjo, keyboards, and vocals). They've been playing together as a group since about 1990 and are known for their experimentation, dabbling in genres from barbershop quartet to grunge, retro rock to rap, ballads to Saturday morning cartoons. See http://www.fruvous.com/band.html for the Fruvous Dot Com band bios. 2) What does "Moxy Fruvous" mean? Mike: Many, many people come up to us after shows and ask us "where'd you get your name"? Jian: Or sometimes, or more usually, it's "where'd you get your stupid name." What does "Moxy Fruvous" mean? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Anything you want it to. "What is the sound of one hand clapping"? It's a couple of nonsense words, two great tastes that taste great together, a happy coincidence, a fun sound, and to fans' everlasting delight, some gibberish that lends itself imminently to wordplay. If you ask Fruvous what their name means, you're likely to get a strange look (or several) or a cryptic reply. 3) What is a Fruhead? How can I become a Fruhead? Fruvous is aware of and frequently acknowledges their follow-band status. Some fans of the band consider themselves "Fruheads" (which is a derivation of word Deadhead used to describe specific fans of the band The Grateful Dead, who followed them around creating a whole new social atmosphere around Dead shows in addition to the actual show itself). At its most basic, a Fruhead is usually a fan of the band who goes a bit beyond what normally comes with being a fan. Many Fruheads not only attend shows in their town, but travel to nearby or even faraway towns to see shows or attend multiple shows in a row on a tour. They support the band, buying albums and other merchandise, and usually recommend the band vehemently to their friends. The band likes to describe the Fruheads as the people who "get" their music and what they are doing and support it. Many times, the word Fruhead is used interchangeably with fan, though to some, "Fruhead" has more connotations than just a fan. There is no ritual, rite of passage, or letter of recommendation needed to become a Fruhead. Despite the description given for the six-stamp mark on the old Fruhead card, there is no prerequisite number of shows you need to attend before becoming a Fruhead. You simply need to consider yourself a member of the Fruhead community and be willing to accept that label upon yourself, knowing full well it means a boatload of things to different people. People who do not travel, but see each and every show in their city and support the band by buying albums are just as important as the crazy who drives to who-knows-where to see a show. The status of Fruhead does not raise someone into the inner circle of Frudom. If you consider yourself a Fruhead, congratulations. You are. 4) What is the "Fruhead Card"? In the Fruvous Quill #9 (their mailing list fan club newsletter, also on file on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/quill.html ), they instituted the Fruhead Card, a means of keeping track of the number of shows a fan had attended. It ran through December 1997 and was stamped and dated at the merchandise table at each show. After 3 stamps, the fan received a pin; at 6, a t-shirt signed by Fruvous (not available for purchase); at 12, a compilation of their videos (including "King of Spain," "My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors," "Stuck in the Nineties," "Fell in Love," "Down From Above," "Fly," and "Get in the Car"); at 18, a song composed, recorded, and mailed to them by the band; at 24, an all-expense-paid bowling trip with Fruvous; at 30, a dinner-and-dancing date with Dave; at 36, dinner and dancing with Mike, Jian, or Murray; and at 50, theoretically, a Fruvous ass-brand administered by the band. None of the songs have yet reached the fans - about forty obtained 18 stamps (though several people have been told that their songs are completed). About 20 people reached the 24 stamp mark, and many of them went on a bowling trip with Fruvous during the weekend of the First Annual Fruhead Convention (FruCon) held in Toronto in February 1998. The dinner dates haven't yet materialized and seem to be in rain check mode (no figures available on how many people reached each of those marks). Two people, though, reached the fifty-stamp mark; Dan "the Shadow" Jablonski respectfully declined the fleshly acknowledgment of his accomplishment, but the other, Chris O'Malley, received a tattoo of the budgie dog (paid for by Fruvous), on camera (and broadcast on Canadian television), right where it was stipulated. 5) What is the "Frumiles Card"? The Frumiles Card was the latest reincarnation of the original Fruhead Card. It began in Fruvous Quill #12, and every subscriber to the Quill received a card. The system of rewards was similar, but one must accumulate Frumiles and "spent" them, instead of simply receiving the prize after X number of shows. The prizes that time were a Fruvous key fob for 300 miles, pin for 500, racing cap for 1000, campfire songbook for 1500, mint condition indie cassette for 2500, and bowling with the band and "treats" for 3000. Note that these theoretical miles had nothing to do with actual miles, and driving from Vancouver to a Boston show would likely net you one stamp on your card, worth 100 miles. To cash in stamps on your Frumiles card, check at the Merchandise table at a show, email MFHQ at moxy@passport.ca, or call or mail Moxy Fruvous headquarters using the contact info on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/contact.html. A picture of the front of the Frumiles Card is available at http://www.fruvous.com/miscpics/milefron.jpg 6) My Frumiles Card expires at the "end of the millennium." Is that December 31st, 1999, or 2000? While Quill #12 states that "Stamps will be awarded for the duration of this millenium," the front of the Frumiles card clearly states 98/99 and members of the band and crew have said that the Frumiles Card ends its run at the end of 1999. And, as a matter of fact, it did end its run at the end of 1999 with the final stamps possible on the Frumiles card being given out at the two shows over New Years in Buffalo in 1999/2000. Yes, a stamp was given for the New Years Day show on January 1st, 2000. 7) Where is the band currently touring? Tour information is included in each issue of the Fruvous Quill. Simply sign up on the band's mailing list and you will get the Quill twice a year. To get on the mailing list, check at the merch table at a show or email MFHQ at moxy@passport.ca and ask to be placed on the mailing list. If you are on the mailing list, the band will occasionally send postcards to certain areas or all over to announce a stint of dates, usually as an addendum to the latest Quill. Fruvous Dot Com is also kept up-to-date with the latest tour info including additions and changes since the Quill went out. It also has venue information and links to venue web sites. The FDC Tour Page is found by following the Tour Dates link on the main page http://www.fruvous.com. The final say in tour date information comes from the kind people who hold down Moxy Fruvous Headquarters in Toronto ON. To get clarification on tour dates beyond what is listed on FDC, contact them at moxy@passport.ca or call using the phone number listed on FDC in the Contacting Fruvous section at http://www.fruvous.com/contact.html. Fruvous has played in England, Scotland, and Denmark in the past, and recently have been touring more in Western Canada and the Western United States than in the past. Tour dates are usually more concentrated in the areas around Toronto ON, and in the Midwest and Northeast United States. 8) Why has the band toured more in the United States than in Canada lately? [Maintainer's Note: This question is a really an opinion question. I personally wasn't there when all this happened, though I have talked with some people about it. Colleen was not there either. Both our takes come from secondhand (or more) observations and shouldn't be taken as gospel. I left Colleen's answer in as well as adding my own to this so you can see both our opinions.] This is a tough question really. As of late, there has still been a bias towards the US, even though there have been tours including Western Canada for the first time in years. Jack Ross, the band's manager, said that with the release of _Thornhill_, he thought that the Canadian music industry may again be ready for Moxy Fruvous, and the touring schedule would reflect that thought for the _Thornhill_ tour. The bottom line is that touring is how the band makes money, and with the media reversal post-_Bargainville_ in Canada, the United States brought in crowds and the money it takes to keep them on the road. With the grassroots success they were seeing, they also found a growing fanbase that was very dedicated, in addition to some already dedicated Canadian fans. With _Thornhill_, it seems the band has branched out to a much larger area. Where they used to play 2 or 3 (and sometimes 4) times in some of their favorite cities, they now cover more area. They have toured in 98 and 99 in Western Canada and down the West Coast of the United States, including dates in Colorado. [Colleen Campbell's answer circa early-1998, from the original FAQ] Whooboy. Touchy question, but one that deserves at least an attempt at an answer on a FAQ, as it's been a frequently-asked-and-endlessly-discussed question on the newsgroup. Thus, a caveat: the writer of this FAQ, like the people reading it, is a person with an opinion which is informed by the facts she has gathered (definitely not all the facts on the matter which exist) and which does not necessarily represent the only answer or even the correct answer, if there is one. If you find this answer demeaning, offensive, or incorrect, please remember that it is not intended to be so and may not address your personal experience or beliefs in the matter. Given that, then: Fruvous is a band which had what Murray has called "meteoric" popularity in Canada with their indie tape and _Bargainville_: the former went gold and the latter went platinum. They covered Canada thoroughly on their "Bargainville" tour, but barely dipped into their southern neighbor, even in 1994, when the album was released in the States. Their following at the time, though, wasn't one known for longevity of interest or loyalty, consisting at least in part of "teenyboppers" who were more attracted to Fruvous' novelty work. Songs like "King of Spain" received a lot more attention than songs like "Fell in Love" did. In the States, though, there was little media attention to or radio play from _Bargainville_, so when the album was heard, it was probably taken more as a whole, novelty and serious songs both. When _Wood_ came out, the media machine didn't go into play as it had before in Canada, nor was audience response the same: the album hit only #35, Fruvous was playing to much smaller crowds, and there was little notice of it by critics, as there had been for _Bargainville_. In short, Fruvous probably felt like Canadian audiences had rejected it. In the States, although the album wasn't released, the songs from it were received as "another side of Fruvous" during concerts: audiences tended to have fewer expectations about Fruvous' "novelty" work than in Canada. So Fruvous built up a stronger base of support while touring to promote _Wood_ in America. Canadian media and audiences don't seem to be as aware that Fruvous is a group of evolution and experimentation, that they are not just "the band who went platinum back in '94"; meanwhile, in the States, the response to and coverage of Fruvous has been increasing since then. And America is a relatively new and fertile ground to till, for them: a place where they're still forging a name for themselves and can attract a new following, which is important for a band of their stature to do. They have been well-received at even the largest folk festivals in America, selling out of albums at both Falcon Ridge Folk Festival and Philly Folk Festival. This is not to say that they aren't appreciated in Canada (Dave reports that both nations are "duly impressed" with the latest [You Will Go To The Moon] album), or that this trend of fewer concerts there will continue indefinitely: just that Fruvous seems to be responding to their increasing popularity in the States by "giving the people what they ask for." 9) Why does the band frequently play at restricted venues that don't allow underage people in? They do not play age-restricted venues because the band hates all underage fans. That's simply not true. Moxy Fruvous, in addition to being an incredible band and 4 wonderful people, is a business and the livelihood of those 4 members (and other people who work with the band). They need to make money, and they do mainly by playing a lot of gigs across this continent. They, like many bands, have a booking agent that gets them gigs so that, in addition to writing wonderful music and thinking up silly characters, the band doesn't have to worry about calling clubs, arranging contracts, and making sure they are getting paid what they should. Many times, due to the economy of the live music industry, the only place to play in a given town on a given night is a bar. And, due to local, state or provincial, or national laws, there are just some rules that need to be obeyed. Age restriction is a big one. If this is still worrying you, or you want information about the above, read Appendix A right now. It's a detailed account from a different perspective of why age-restricted shows happen. All that said, what can you, the underage fan, do about it? Please do your research. Find some other venues in your area that regularly play all-ages shows and get that information to the band (most likely through MFHQ - moxy@passport.ca ). They will get that info to the right people, and it may work. It also may not. Just please keep in mind that when there is an age-restricted show, it isn't to spite you in particular or underage fans in general. It's usually because the club wants it that way and in order to play the club, the band abides by their rules. If you haven't read Appendix A yet, go do it. 10) There seems to be frequent mention of taping at Fruvous shows and trading of those tapes. What's the band's policy on that? Well, obviously, the newsgroup respects Fruvous's right to their own music and performances, and fans would not tape against their wishes. Those interested should first look around at a show. If there are any other tapers there setting up, strike up a conversation and get to know them and what rules they abide by. If no one is visibly taping there, asking Cal Stanutz (the front of house sound engineer) or Dave Tobey (the road manager) is often easier than locating one of Fruvous before a show. The band currently allows and appreciates taping for non-commercial use on a personal level. The best way to get into taping Fruvous is to talk to other tapers at a show. Many of them know the band's position on things and may have tips and tricks on levels, show length, and board feeds. Most Fruvous tapers are very friendly beasts that would love someone to talk to about their myriad of gear. In dissemination of taped live shows, Fruvous prefers one-on-one trades. No profit is to be made of the privilege of taping their shows. Personal trading encourages a bit of accountability and it is recommended that you have purchased all the commercially available albums before getting into tape trading. There have been two Moxy Fruvous tape trees in the past. The first, disseminating a show from the Iron Horse in Northampton, August of 1995, was run by John Greene. The second, taped in New York City in December of 1996, was run by Jason Reiser. Both shows are widely available; ask for them, and you'll likely get a friendly Fruhead to tape one for you. There are, of course, many other live shows available, and many people are eager to trade or acquire them, so keep your eyes open and feel free to ask if you're looking for a particular show for your own personal use. FHDC ( http://www.fruhead.com ) has a section set up for finding tape traders. It provides quick info on people who collect shows and are willing to trade with new people. It also has a quick search engine that will search lists for specific shows. Please don't offer to pay someone (in money, extra tapes, or anything else) in return for copies of Fruvous live shows. This hurts the band and threatens the privilege tapers have to tape the shows. Fruvous allows taping for personal use only, and no one should be profiting off the tapes made with their permission. 11) Is there any connection between Moxy Fruvous and the soft drink Moxie? Nope. In fact, the guys have made derogatory remarks about the drink. Don't expect any cross-over advertising campaigns any time soon. Nor is there any connection between the '70s group Moxie, the '90s group Moxy, or the group Mox. 12) I ordered my merchandise four weeks ago from Fruvous and I haven't received it yet. What gives? Welcome to the world of shipping. Most ordering services stipulate that you'll receive your order within six to eight weeks, and Fruvous is no different. It'll take up to a week to receive your order, a few more weeks to get it processed and shipped back, and then a week or two more to receive your package. When customs is involved, other delays are likely as well. If you're concerned, though, that your merchandise seems to be taking an abnormally long time, you'd do well to contact MFHQ directly and ask for yourself. They're very busy, so if you need a quick reply, a call to (416) 368-5599 will probably yield better results than attempting to resolve the situation via email. 13) What's the best thing I can do to help support the band? The absolute best thing you can do to help support the band is to tell all your friends about them. If you feel that Moxy Fruvous is the best thing since sliced bread, tell your friends. Sit them down and ask them to take a listen to a song you think they'll like. Take them to a live show and let Fruvous do the selling for you. You can do the normal fan things. Go to Fruvous shows (and don't forget to invite friends). Buy Fruvous albums for yourself. You can also do the abnormal fan things that many Fruvous fans and Fruheads do. Drive to see that show in the next town over. Drive to see that show in the next Province over. Arrange your work flights so that you have a convenient stop-over in a city where Fruvous is playing that night. Please request Moxy Fruvous at your favorite (and least favorite) radio stations. If you are familiar with radio formats, AAA stations would probably be best. Call them up and request your favorite song or the current single off the newest album. If they give you the line about not having the album, email MFHQ ( moxy@passport.ca ) and give them the information about the station you called. They can make sure that a promo copy of some Fruvous stuff has been sent or will be sent there. Make the radio stations know that people out there want to hear Moxy Fruvous. When you go into a record store, check for Fruvous albums. Some people even go so far as to helpfully rearrange the albums so that the more important bands (i.e. Moxy Fruvous) are up front. We here at the FAQ don't condone this behavior, but do what you like! If you don't see any Moxy Fruvous CDs there at the store, ask them to order some for you. It'll give them an idea that people want to buy Fruvous albums. If you already own the disc, just tell them you found it at their competitor's store already in stock and bought it there, but thank them for ordering it for you and reassure them you'll check there next for other Moxy Fruvous albums now that they've gotten their act together. Also, you can forward record store info to MFHQ ( moxy@passport.ca ) and they can get that info to the record label so they can use that information to get the album well distributed. Each person's work in helping and supporting the band is important. Moxy Fruvous was built upon grassroots efforts and friendly word of mouth and that comes from you. Keep up the good work! 14) What's the story behind "The Troc"? What happened? The Troc, or the Trocadero, is a club in downtown Philadelphia. Philly is a very Fruvous-friendly town and the home of WXPN. Fruvous plays many large sold out shows in Philly and it's one of their biggest markets, largely thanks to the support WXPN gives them through airplay and promotion. The band has played in the area for years. FDC tracks shows back to 1994 at the Tin Angel. In 1996, they started playing in Philly at the TLA, the Theatre of Living Arts, a much larger venue than the Tin Angel and a symbol of their success in the Philadelphia area. After 3 gigs in the next year at the TLA (including one of the shows recorded for the _Live Noise_ album), the band had outgrown even that venue. The next choice of venues was the Trocadero. It was significantly larger than the TLA, but still the show was sold out even before the day of the show. Yet another statement of the Philly area's love for Fruvous. That Trocadero show on February 6th, 1999 is a show that will live in infamy in many Frufan minds. The show itself was a very good show. The larger venues carry better lighting and sound equiptment allowing for the band to rock out a bit. But the place was packed solid for the most part and there were long waits while your elbows jabbed your neighbor and the person behind you breathed down your neck. The opener, the Butch Ross Band, started playing before even half the line had come in yet there was an interminable wait between sets stirring the crowd up. But still, Fruvous pulled everyone together with an incredible set. After the show was a different story. The club, well within it's rights but entirely against the spirit of a Moxy Fruvous show, proceeded to quickly and forcefully push the entire crowd out the doors. People trying to get Frumiles stamps from Tobey were hurried. People trying to purchase Fruvous CDs or shirts were hurried. People waiting patiently to get autographs because they knew the band was coming out to give them were hurried, various members of the club's security staff yelling the entire time. It is understandable that the staff wants to go home after a show, but the way the fans were treated was unacceptable. Many fans ended up out on the sidewalks on a February night waiting (some vocally), while the security staff attempted to even force them off the sidewalk in front of the building. One by one, as each band member realized what had happened, they came out to the front of the venue to sign autographs and chat with fans. The band apologized for the actions of the venue and cheerfully talked and signed, even after a long show after a long day. But, when the band wanted to go back inside, the security had locked them out as well! Once someone came out, someone else caught the door and held it open so the band could get back inside when needed and eventually everyone went home with a sour taste in their mouths thanks to the security staff and policies of the Trocadero. The next day, the newsgroup began to fill with discussions of the show and disgust at how paying customers of the venue were treated. Many called for boycotts of the Trocadero and expressed wishes that Moxy Fruvous never play there again. The show reviews on FDC represent a taste of the discussions ( http://www.fruvous.com/99rev/990206.html ). After a day full of complaints on the newsgroup, Jian posted an official apology from the band, management, and crew for the staff at the Trocadero and promised that the band will not play the Trocadero in Philadelphia ever again (instead he offered the idea of playing multiple TLA shows even though the venue is much smaller). The incident received press in the Philly area ( http://www.fruvous.com/news/990211nw.html ). With no suitable venue in Philadelphia itself, the next Philly area show came in November 1999 - a sold-out show at the Keswick Theater about 20 minutes outside Philly. 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