From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #131 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, March 3 2000 Volume 04 : Number 131 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OT Arrogant Worms [] Re: Other Bands [Josh Drury ] Re: Guilty Pleasures [melinda klump ] Re: guilty pleasures ["Carey Farrell" ] Re: OT: Why Amazon is evil (was Re: Boycott Amazon.com (OT, but important!)) [wahrend@my-dej] Re: OT: gelatin / agar [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com] Re: OT: gelatin / agar [spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1)] Re: OT: gelatin / agar [MJ ] Re: Guilty Pleasures ["Daancing Queen" ] Re: i guess hello is a good enough subject. =) [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Re: OT: Arrogant Worms [Christopher Gibbins <4cg7@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: guilty pleasures ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Guilty Pleasures [cookie ] ,,~~SAY A PRAYER FOR THE INNOCENT VICTIMS OF BLACK VIOLENCE AND LAWLESSNESS!~~... [Al-Sharptons-HairDresser@ntla] RE: Madison Set List et such [ScarletB23@aol.com] Re: OT: gelatin / agar [Christopher Gibbins <4cg7@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: Guilty Pleasures [ScarletB23@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 00:21:41 GMT From: Subject: Re: OT Arrogant Worms Merguez wrote in message <20000302183038.02796.00000081@ng-bh1.aol.com>... >Hey folks, > >Wanted to get some feedback on the Arrogant Worms. I know they've done some >workshops with Moxy Fruvous at folk festivals in the past and they seem to be >the kind of guys that Moxy would enjoy sharing a tour bus with. Question - are >they fun live - & if so - do the records hold up to the ravages of time? Answer to both questions..yes!! The Worms are a real treat to see live and are absolutely hilarious!! Like Früvous they really bond with the energy of the crowd and they always fun to watch! As for the Albums some of the earlier ones do have some content that is time sensitve but it still really good nevertheless. On the most part however the songs are just a great fun romp in the park! - -- Cara Kozack "Get Out The Eggs. It's Equinox Time!!" (as seen on sci.space.science) My e-mail at fruomffan@xoommail.com My world at http://www.crosswinds.net/~fruomffan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:34:12 -0600 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: Other Bands eeeeeeeradicator wrote: > > >So, what other bands/artists are y'all into? > > lately.. > > sloan (friday @ massey hall.. woo woo woo!) Good on ya! Sloan put on a good show in the 'Peg. I think, luckily, you're being spared the wrath of Danko Jones, who opened for the wetern half of the tour. Have a good time! Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 00:44:55 GMT From: melinda klump Subject: Re: Guilty Pleasures > No way....that *couldn't* have been Chicago.....oy. I've lost part of my > respect for them.... =) > > -- CHris > who thinks that the capital H should be allowed since he really can't stop > typing it. awwww... don't be too hard on them, after all, it was the '80s. anyway, i decided it would make me feel better to admit a couple of things, myself. not only do i still listen to styx's "paradise theater" quite often, but also rick springfield's "working class dog". in fact, they probably fall somewhere in my top 50 or so albums. hmmmm.... well, and i guess i have to add duran duran and jellyfish, too, though who wouldn't like jellyfish?? :) not as embarrassed as she thought she would be, melinda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 01:08:00 GMT From: "Carey Farrell" Subject: Re: guilty pleasures Sara wrote: >Are you saying that Barry Manilow wrote the Band-aid song? No wonder I >love >it! And he actually wrote the McD's one too? Wow, I'm most impressed now. Yes, yes he did. A true gift to the world, that Barry Manilow. >My Christmas CD collection is probably my guiltiest pleasure. It includes >3 >John Denver albums Well, as long as one of 'em is John Denver and the Muppets, you have nothing to be ashamed of. That has to be the coolest Christmas album ever made! But it is kinda hard to explain to your peers when >you are comparing first concert stories - they were all at things like New >Kids or Debbie Gibson - and I saw these people that most people my age have >never heard of. Exactly! I had the same problem in fifth grade. Everyone would be on and on about Donnie and Jordan and Joey and Danny and John (and exactly why do I remember all the names of NKOTB, anyway?), and I'd be like, "*swoon* DAVY JONES!" Carey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 00:52:23 GMT From: wahrend@my-deja.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Amazon is evil (was Re: Boycott Amazon.com (OT, but important!)) > Copyright and trademark already take care of any worry about > intellectual property and licensing. Nobody's worried that they won't > be able to use Amazon's exact package & code; everyone's worried that > Amazon is trying to patent extremely obvious e-commerce concepts & sue > their biggest competitors in an effort to stay afloat (how much money > did they lose last quarter?), which will ultimately stifle web > development. I hate to post a "me-too" post but Joe has done a very good job of explaining what is at the issue here. Patents are about innovations which are novel and have no prior art. These are neither. The US patent office is incredibly stupid when it comes to technology patents (M$ patenting style sheets comes to mind and then there was the one where some company patented programs that could be downloaded an run on a remote computer... gosh, that probably hadn't been done before.. etc etc). And the fact that amazon would try to enforce this and any of the other bogus patents that it has claimed makes me wanna vomit. Of course, any self respecting computer person shops at fat brain anyways, so its not a big issue. :) > I agree completely with the boycott (check out http://www.noamazon.com > for better places to buy everything! ;-) ), but I'm still not sure why > this showed up on amm-f... I guess it's time for me to head over to > Slashdot and rant about the Lads in the latest web patents article :-) Actually, I think its great that something of some consequence has shown up here in ammf. Maybe this newsgroup has hope afterall. > ObFruvous, since this is so amazingly off-topic: Use any link but the > Amazon one at http://www.fruvous.com/merchan.html to buy those gift > copies of Fruvous CDs! ;-) Good idea! "wild" Bill Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Mar 2000 01:33:18 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: OT: gelatin / agar Rai-Marie-Rachel-or-something remembered bio class: > Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what you use when you're >little to grow science experiments with mold with? Exunctly. Agar agar is chock full o' nutrients, and thus is used in petri dishes in labs all across the galaxy. - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru ------------------------------ Date: 03 Mar 2000 01:44:30 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: OT: gelatin / agar >Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what you use when you're >little to grow science experiments with mold with? dingdingding! Correct! You win the livingroom set and the new car! I got one of those science experiments you can do at home books when I was little and it came with 3 pouches of agar. We had fun! "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown "You'll have to lose your mind before you can come to your senses!" - -Socrates, Way of the Peaceful Warrior Gella ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:38:04 -0500 From: MJ Subject: Re: OT: gelatin / agar Rai-Marie wrote: > The person who has my non-nicknamed name states: > < comes in all sorts of fruity flavors, including kiwi.>> > > Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what you use when you're > little to grow science experiments with mold with? > I think I have some exactly for that purpose, anyway... odd.... well, it may be made out of the same stuff (agar is gelatin like), but i'm not sure if it's necessarily made out of seaweed; and it's most definately *not* used for the same purpose. there's several types of lab-purpose agar (pronounced AH-gar); the ones that are the most well known (to me, at least before i started my microbiology project in 6th grade) are the one's with sheep's blood (you know, the petri dishes filled with red stuff that you see on TV when culturing bacteria). And then, most recently, i saw purple agar when doing a cell diffusion experiment... i'm not sure whether the purple was coloring, or *another* type of agar... Hope I'm not giving out misinformation. ~truztno1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 03:10:01 GMT From: "Daancing Queen" Subject: Re: Guilty Pleasures Sorry, but I'm afraid I will have to rebutt a few points (and not in a mean "you're wrong" way, but in a clarifying facts as I know them way: >OK now sit down and take a deep breath. The Monkeys are the protypical >creation >of a PR Machine. Ahem, first, the spelling is Monkees. And yes, they were created by a casting call. But that also paved the way for similarly formed bands today (Spice Girls, Nsync, etc. who are making oodles of money, so they must be doing something right). Is that such a bad thing? >They weren't a band but charactors on a TV show. In the beginning, that is true. But they did continue as a band, and some of the members still tour together occassionally as a band. And if they played themselves on tv (albeit scripted selves), are they really playing characters? Guess, that's a bit philisophical. >They didn't >write their own music though Mike Naismaith did write the Linda Ronstadt >hit >"Different Drum" and even performed a deliberatly awful solo version on the >show. It's Nesmith. And, they did write some of their songs, no not all, but I don't think they ever pretended to either. And not all singers write their own songs, so I don't know why you would hold that against them in particular. >To make them even less cool their Fans Booed Jimi Hendrix when he opened >for them at the Forest Hills Tennis Stadium. Of course they did - you get a bunch of teeny boppers screaming their heads off for Davy Jones, and send out Hendrix, whom they have probably never heard of yet, with a completly different sound to the Monkees, and what do you expect? Imagine some heavy metal band opening for BSB - just not the right mix. Sara, who can't believe she just posted defending the Monkees (Meg, if you're lurking, this is for you!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 03 Mar 2000 03:23:37 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: i guess hello is a good enough subject. =) >>-- Chris who posts things unrelated to the band or music, regardless of his original post.<< ah yes.. You're going to fit in nicely ;-) ~jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: 3 Mar 2000 04:24:59 GMT From: Christopher Gibbins <4cg7@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: OT: Arrogant Worms The Worms are totally great but some folks in the States don't think so. I just read an article in the Globe and Mail that said that the Rev Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist church (a totally psycho antigay freak) and his rabid followers protested outside a Worms show in Kansas City. They called the Worms "satanic examples of ... perverted culture" sent from "the cancerous blob of putrid matter [that] sits atop the US." Protesters has signs that said "Canada=sodom" and upside down Cdn flags labelled "fag flags." It's so pathetic it's funny then again psychos like the Rev inflame other people to kill so maybe it's no laughing matter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:35:42 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: guilty pleasures Daancing Queen wrote: > Are you saying that Barry Manilow wrote the Band-aid song? No wonder I love > it! And he actually wrote the McD's one too? Wow, I'm most impressed now. > :Ş [1] Didn't he also write the American Bandstand theme when he was pretty young? I'm serious. It was either him or someone a lot like him. Not someone you'd have expected. A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:12:36 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: Guilty Pleasures Thank you! You saved me a lot of time. Daancing Queen wrote: > Sorry, but I'm afraid I will have to rebutt a few points (and not in a mean > "you're wrong" way, but in a clarifying facts as I know them way: > >>snip>> > In the beginning, that is true. But they did continue as a band, and some > of the members still tour together occassionally as a band. I've seen 'em 3 times! 1986, 1987, and 1996. During the '86 show at the Greek Theatre, Mike Nesmith joined them for the encore. I think I may have actually cried when he walked on stage. (Now that's an embarrassing confession.) > It's Nesmith. And, they did write some of their songs, no not all, but I > don't think they ever pretended to either. And not all singers write their > own songs, so I don't know why you would hold that against them in > particular. Besides, they had some kick ass songwriters in their corner! Check their album credits. It's no wonder they had so many hits. They created some of the greatest pop tunes ever recorded, in my opinion. How can you say anything about "Pleasant Valley Sunday," "Daydream Believer," "Last Train to Clarksville," "I'm a Believer," or "(I'm not your) Steppin' Stone," other than they are great pop songs? So the band didn't wallow in self-absorption, and they actually seemed to have FUN playing music other people had written. They also did drugs with the Beatles, and I think that warrants a certain amount of respect, don't you? ;-) > Of course they did - you get a bunch of teeny boppers screaming their heads > off for Davy Jones, and send out Hendrix, whom they have probably never > heard of yet, with a completly different sound to the Monkees, and what do > you expect? Imagine some heavy metal band opening for BSB - just not the > right mix. And if you want to split hairs, Jimi Hendrix got a LOT of press and attention from that initial Monkee tour. So, in a way, they helped jump-start his career. So there. :-P > Sara, who can't believe she just posted defending the Monkees (Meg, if > you're lurking, this is for you!) Oh! And I thought it was for me. Darn. Cookie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:28:53 GMT From: Al-Sharptons-HairDresser@ntlawomava.net Subject: ,,~~SAY A PRAYER FOR THE INNOCENT VICTIMS OF BLACK VIOLENCE AND LAWLESSNESS!~~... It's interesting to see how selective the black community can be when it comes to what they get outraged about. - - A couple of recent examples: - - 1) A four-year-old white boy was dragged 4 miles to his death by a black man when the automobile his mother was driving got car-jacked. The child was attached to a seatbelt, hanging out the side of the car, clearly visible to the perpetrator. The mother frantically pleaded for the life of her son to no avail. Some other motorists watching this horror unveil eventually subdued the driver. According to bystanders and police, the man was completely remorseless. - - Tell me something... How is this man any less of an animal than the 3 rednecks that dragged a black man to his death behind a pickup truck last year? So, where is all the public outrage and cries of racism here? - - 2) Yesterday, a black man went on a firing rampage, shooting 5 white people - killing 2 and leaving 1 in critical condition with a bullet lodged in his brain. When asked why he did it, he told a neighbor and police that he just wanted to kill as many white people as he could. Again, completely remorseless. - - Again, where is all the public outrage and cries of racism here? - - Whenever incidents of this type occur, there is a defining silence coming from the black community. The double standard that seems to apply, suggests that it's OK for black criminals to victimize whites but not the other way around and has led to a well deserved lack of credibility for black's when it comes to criminal justice. - - Americans (law-abiding blacks and whites alike) have finally decided not to allow this double standard and racial bias to infect the judicial system any further and this was at the rudiment of the judge's decision to move the Diallo trial out of The Bronx. - - And since no discussion on this subject would be complete without a comment on the Diallo verdict; - - For the record, I didn't agree with this verdict. At a minimum, I think these cops should have been charged with extreme reckless indifference to human life and they should have been punished. - - This was not murder however... It was incompetence... If these cops set out to murder this guy, then would have done it quietly in a back alley or other such place and they would have quietly gotten away with it. - - The real culprit here is the culture of young, black, African American males, which engender an atmosphere of fear and lawlessness wherever they congregate! - - These neighborhoods to which the NYPD Street Crimes Unit are assigned, are some of the most dangerous in New York City. 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It like a saying goodbye to an old friend until you are to meet again. Love and Peace, Anita "Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right." - The Grateful Dead ------------------------------ Date: 3 Mar 2000 04:36:55 GMT From: Christopher Gibbins <4cg7@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: OT: gelatin / agar Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > Rai-Marie-Rachel-or-something remembered bio class: >> Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what you use when you're >>little to grow science experiments with mold with? > Exunctly. Agar agar is chock full o' nutrients, and thus is used in petri > dishes in labs all across the galaxy. > -- Lori > Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru I'm a microbiologist and agar is great stuff. It does come from seaweed whereas I'm pretty sure gelatin is derived from compounds from animals. Lab agar comes in a fine powder that you can add various nutrients to it like blood extracts, yeast extracts, sugars, color indicators, salts etc whatever your bacteria, mould, or yeast needs to live. You add water and autoclave the solution you pour it into petri dishes while it's still molten then it firms up. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 04:51:58 GMT From: ScarletB23@aol.com Subject: Re: Guilty Pleasures >BBWMinors wrote: > I really like the Monkees and I think that may qualify ... >How come so many of you are listing the Monkees? When did they become NOT cool? >A confused Cookie Don't worry Cookie, I love the Monkees and are they are way cool in my book. For Christmas friends of mine taped the complete box set of all the episodes for me as a present. It may have be one of the best presents I've ever gotton. Besides how could I stop loving the Monkees since they were the first band I ever like starting at age 5. As to bands I don't like to admit having liked... I am guilty of being a Wham fan in jr highschool in order to annoy all the Duran Duran fans at the time. I became so much of a fan I had my folks drive me from NYC to Philly to see them. Though I was never a fan of George Michael's solo career. Love and Peace and Monkeemania forever, Anita "Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right."-The Grateful Dead ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #131 ********************************************