From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #124 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, March 1 2000 Volume 04 : Number 124 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Dave solo on Sarah Slean site ["Jim Czadzeck" ] Re: Just wondering... [miyax ] Re: Moxy Fruvous stickers? [Brent & Mar ] Re: Dave solo on Sarah Slean site [Fiona ] Re: OT Peeps ["Angela Anuszewski" ] [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (0/4) [Chad ] Re: fingers everywhere! [miyax ] Re: OT Peeps [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com)] Re: FRUCON WEEKEND/ OT: Peeps, etc [Frances Fox ] [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (1/4) [Chad ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:04:05 -0500 From: "Jim Czadzeck" Subject: Re: Dave solo on Sarah Slean site It's a pretty cool track! Too bad there isn't an MP3 of Sarah covering "Climbing Up the Walls" by Radiohead (the hidden track on her Universe EP). That has to be really cool. "Tom Fazzio" wrote in message news:200002290535.XAA20151@host-c.savantnetworks.com... > I have no way of knowing if this is already general knowledge, so sorry if I am providing repetitive information (but pat my back if I am the first I guess!). > > On the Sarah Slean web site (my favorite non-Früvous musical person and secret crush), Dave has a solo cover song of her's available on mp3. It is her song Habit from Blue Parade, and is 3826k. > > later, > tom. > > ps - Hi to everyone who I have not spoken to in a long time (nearly forever!). Since I have no stable net connection, don't bother saying hi I hope to see a few friendly faces at a concert soon (hopefully Geneseo!) > > btw - the web site is www.sarahslean.com - search around for the song ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:13:06 -0500 From: miyax Subject: Re: Just wondering... fruomffan@xoommail.com wrote: > > Maybe this is the result of being on the computer at 12:00 in the morning > but I was struck with this question. What is the correct plural of fruvous? > It is the rather anglsized fruvouses? Or the latin rooted fruvi? Or is it > ambiguious like moose, deer, or fish? LOL I'd enjoy saying "Fruvouseseses" myself ^_^ And yet, I thought there was only one Moxy Fruvous... - -- miyax, the Evil and Sinister Prime Minister of the Silver Millennium turnip-rat-ant-type person neko-musume (bwa ha ha) Also known as "Bob" on AHSM, if not there (here) nowhere else. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ the Interesting Link of the Month hq @ http://secondhandwonder.virtualave.net "Sheesh - hot on the heels of the Corel story, I'm just waiting to see 'Red Hat to acquire Abominable Snowman & Department of Defense in Massive Stock Swap.'" - Hemos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 00:08:51 GMT From: Brent & Mar Subject: Re: Moxy Fruvous stickers? MJ wrote: > Well, while we're at it, how 'bout patches? I, for one, think the design in the > bottom right corner (saying Fruhead with Larry in the middle) would look *great* on > my backpack.... And why not educate the world about what a FruHead is in the > process??? > > ~truztno1 Marianne and I talked about embroidered patches last year, in fact, it was Marianne's idea, she specifically mentioned backpacks. I don't recall if she ever mentioned it to the band or not. If there's a FruCon4 I think an embroidered shirt would be great. As far as the window decals go, we were hoping to included them with every shirt order this year, but it was cost prohibitive, at least from the standpoint of giving them away. That why we printed and gave away the "Fruhead Business Cards"—much more economical. Personally would love to see temporary tattoos. Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:52:18 -0500 From: Fiona Subject: Re: Dave solo on Sarah Slean site Jim Czadzeck wrote: > > It's a pretty cool track! It is. I actually have a picture of Dave doing that song at the Rivoli the night Sarah had laryngitis. He was doing it "on book" as Jian might say. I haven't got a functioning sound card right now, but I'd advise everyone to check it out, plus any other mp3s that might have come out of that night.. there were a lot of awesome Torontonian performers who came out to sing for Sarah :) I think it was Kurt Swinghammer who covered "Jerome", or maybe Ron Sexsmith.. either way it was a really interesting rendition. > Too bad there isn't an MP3 of Sarah covering > "Climbing Up the Walls" by Radiohead (the hidden track on her Universe > EP). She hasn't done that live the last couple of times I've seen her. I miss it :( Fiona - ------ Andy 4:11 - 'And so it was that a great noise was heard unto the land and--lo!--it took form and it was a Dumb Question. And the Asker was smitten, yea, verily smitten as a serpent, as a worm, as a Total Loser and we beheld the Answer and it was Duct Tape!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:51:31 GMT From: "Angela Anuszewski" Subject: Re: OT Peeps Oh, heavens. The Crayola Factory. I had the pleasure of visiting Easton earlier this month to go see Al. The Crayola factory was fun, they give you a little bad where you go around to all the different stations and they give you stuff, crayons, markers, etc. It's kinda fun, but I wouldn't go to Eason for the sole purpose of seeing it. I doubt the lads would have time to make both the Peeps Factory and the Crayola Factory since the Crayola Factory is two towns over.. - -- Angela, #23 Those who laugh at "UHF" should inspire our admiration; in these dreary times we must treasure the easily amused. - Roger Ebert wrote in message news:f.184f0ab.25ec6c8a@aol.com... > If you live in Pennsylvania and have cable watch for the PCN channel (the > hooray-for-Pennsylvania channel) special on "The Making of Peeps". They're > made in Bethlehem and it's always shown during the Easter Season. > > Perhaps that is why the Lads are visiting Allentown, PA in April - they > actually want to tour the Peeps factory (and go see The Crayola Factory while > you're at it) > > Bobbi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:26:09 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (0/4) - ---------------=======================================-------------- FAQ Comments: ammf-faq@fruvous.com FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html Newsgroup: news://alt.music.moxy-fruvous Website: http://www.fruvous.com - ---------------=======================================-------------- *** FAQ Update *** This is the monthly posting of the alt.music.moxy-fruvous official Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) list. An updated version of this text is posted to the newsgroup on the first of each month. Updated records are easily recognizable by looking for *'s in the FAQ itself. WARNING: This posting is positively huge. It is broken into 4 parts of about 500 lines each. An HTML version of this FAQ with hyperlinks (making it infinitely more readable), is available at Fruvous Dot Com: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html The alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ is currently actively maintained and provides a centralized placed to look for answers to commonly asked questions on the newsgroup. All questions, comments, or suggestions for the FAQ should be sent to ammf-faq@fruvous.com. Discussions of the FAQ and its contents are appropriate for the newsgroup, but please cc: ammf-faq@fruvous.com also to insure the FAQ maintainer gets them also. - - Keeper of the FAQ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:02:02 -0500 From: miyax Subject: Re: fingers everywhere! Christopher von Rinteln wrote: > > :: walks in and has his eye poked out from all the finger pointing :: YEEOUCH! Here, let me help you with that ^_^ ::sits Chris down in a chair:: ::attends to his eye:: Sorry if all them crazy regulars gave you the wrong impression. I'm miyax ^_^ The only time I get any attention around here is when I post something stupid and OT, i.e. about old Canadian television shows or something ^_^ Therefore I just post periodically and what not ^_^ All done. But, um, don't remove that eyepatch for a few days... ^_^; > > Yeh. Hi. I'm Chris, hailing from Columbia, MD, and U of MD, College Park. > I'm new to the NG, but not to the music.... > What the hell is going on? =) I would've thought this group was about > the *band* and the *music*. not who's upset at whatever. > > -- Chris ::has been sidestepping the flame war...doesn't know what it's about or what's happening (or even that it was happening ^_^;;):: - -- miyax, the Evil and Sinister Prime Minister of the Silver Millennium turnip-rat-ant-type person neko-musume (bwa ha ha) Also known as "Bob" on AHSM, if not there (here) nowhere else. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ the Interesting Link of the Month hq @ http://secondhandwonder.virtualave.net "Sheesh - hot on the heels of the Corel story, I'm just waiting to see 'Red Hat to acquire Abominable Snowman & Department of Defense in Massive Stock Swap.'" - Hemos ------------------------------ Date: 29 Feb 2000 14:25:25 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: OT Peeps Kyla awed me by saying: > my grandmother, in >ontario, makes raspberry jello with carrots, celery, and brocolli. i >have yet to see anyone besides her and my great-grandma eating it. >it's awful-looking. but I must ask ... cooked, or uncooked? The weirdest jello concoction I ever consumed was actually Stealth jello, back in the early '70's .... someone got the clever idea to use red jello[1] as a base for a punch for a bridal shower. Mixed with ginger ale, and juices, and probably a slug or two of whiskey, and topped with fresh raspberries and strawberries[2], with sherbet to make it creamy. It actually tasted good, at least to a ten-year-old, although apparently no one except its creator had any idea what was in it. And so came time to clean up after the shower, and there was extra punch, so we poured it into soda bottles and tossed them in the fridge. Next day ... whoa!!! A solid, yet jiggly beverage, with more solid objects afloat in it! (much like an early version of Orbitz, I guess) - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru [1] the most multipurpose flavor of jello: red. (yes, there are "flavors" of jello. there's red, and green, and yellow [which is gross][3] and orange [which actually tastes almost like orange lifesavers, hence almost like an orange, and thus has the virtue of being the ONLY jello flavor whose fruit-named flavor corresponds to what your taste buds tell you. [2] someone mentioned putting pineapple in jello. I was under the impression that if one did this it wouldn't jell, due to the high acid content. [3]someone once made up a chart of jello flavours and how they corresponded to dishes in a meal. ie, red jello made the concoction a fruit, whereas green or yellow meant it was a "vegetable". Of course, Kyla's grandmother seems to be bending this rule with the raspberry-jello/vegetable nightmare cited above[4]. [4] I wasn't happy with only 3 footnotes. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:13:57 GMT From: Frances Fox Subject: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND/ OT: Peeps, etc Gosh! Having just returned from a great relaxing time in Paris, reconecting with loved ones, I'm shocked and saddened to read the long string of posts concerning the recent Frucon. It's really sad when people start 'bashing' each other in public- violent and scary. I don't think of the ng as being a place for this. Was this the reason it was created? I think not. Surely it was created as a forum for people to share/air their love of the lads music/talents, & other related snippets? And I said 'bashing' as that seems like what it was: I wasn't there- I'm just basing my opinion on what I read afterwards. Yes, we're all entitled to our own opinions, but name calling, putting others down is abusive, a form of violence. Yes, life is suffering- we all suffer, we all experience pain, but we're all also looking for happiness. Being sensitive to others pain/suffering & acting on it (by helping them) is a great way towards happiness for all concerned (ever done volunteer work? helped out someone less fortunate than yourself? Then you'll know what I mean). I'm not trying to suggest how we should all behave, just that we change our thinking so that we don't cause anymore unnesseccary pain & suffering for anyone, including ourselves- after all that just brings a whole shitload of bad Karma with it & I'm sure we'd all much rather have a more pleasant lifetime next time around, right ??? Please everyone, don't use the ng to air your 'dirty laundry'. If you have a bone to pick with someone- email them directly. It's not anyone elses business- we don't need to get involved. It just leads to gossip, and gossip is not good for the soul! (And I know a lot of this has already been said- I just wanted to add my voice) RE: gelatine- Cookie- it's disgusting how it's made. I used to live near a gelatine factory in Hong Kong & the stench that came from it was stomach turning! And Chad: please explain. How on earth does your face look like it has pandas mating on it? Considering they don't do this very often, you must have a very rare face!?? And as for peeps- they sound disgusting! Anything with that much sugar in tends to send me splat straight onto the ceiling. I prefer the view from where I am right now thanks! Frances ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:11:28 -0500 From: miyax Subject: Re: (no subject) LilacGirl1002@aol.com wrote: > > << >So, what other bands/artists are y'all into? >> > > Well I'm not an Ivy-Leaguer, (although I heard some crack fiend somewhere say > that Butler was the Harvard of the Midwest. hahahahaha whatever) but my CDs > are arranged in alphabetical order too, but that's just because I'm > incredibly anal rententive. That's cool ^_^ > > Here are my faves: > Barenaked Ladies ^_^!! > Ben Folds Five !!!!!!!^_^!!!!!!!! I *worship* Ben Folds Five ^_^ > Brothers Creegan Barenaked Ladies spinoff IIRC... > Jimmy Buffett > CCR > Dido- if you've never heard of her, she's almost like a techno Sarah McLachlan Pass, sorry ^_^; > Eagles > Fleetwood Mac oOh! > Guster Do you frequent alt.music.ben-folds-five by any chance? ^_^ > Kevin Hearn > Chris Isaak :)~ > Dave Matthews Band- my shame =( oOh! > Moxy Fruvous- hmmm go fig? Moxy who? ^_^ > Old 97's > Rheostatics > Shout out to the other Frank Sinatra fan =) > U2 ^_^!!! > > People I'm starting to love: > Belle and Sebastian Ohohohohooo yes ^_^ > Elvis Costello ^_^!!! > Great Big Sea > Kenny Wayne Shepard > Sarah Slean > Why Store- how unfortunate that they broke up like 2 weeks ago. sonuva... You have very good taste in music ^_^ How'd this subject come up, anyway? Oh well... If it's OT, chances are miyax shall be there ^_^ - -They Might Be Giants - -Toad the Wet Sprocket - -Stereolab - -Tori Amos - -Billy Joel - -Elton John (His old stuff is best) - -Pavement - -The Smiths - -That band with the really weird name...Mroxy something ^_^ - -The Promise Ring - -R.E.M. - -Cibo Matto - -Semisonic - -The Tragically Hip And of course those from the list above ^_^ - -- miyax, the Evil and Sinister Prime Minister of the Silver Millennium turnip-rat-ant-type person neko-musume (bwa ha ha) Also known as "Bob" on AHSM, if not there (here) nowhere else. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ the Interesting Link of the Month hq @ http://secondhandwonder.virtualave.net "Sheesh - hot on the heels of the Corel story, I'm just waiting to see 'Red Hat to acquire Abominable Snowman & Department of Defense in Massive Stock Swap.'" - Hemos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:26:14 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: [FAQ] alt.music.moxy-fruvous Frequently Asked Questions list (1/4) [Begin part 1/4] Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Questions, suggestions, and submissions to: ammf-faq@fruvous.com FAQ last updated: 22-FEB-2000 Question marked by a '*' denote content changes in this version of the FAQ. Questions marked by the '*' have been modified significantly enough to make it known, so that people familiar with the previous FAQ need only browse the '*' marks to get updated information. Questions in this FAQ: Section: FAQ Facts 1) What is the alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ? 2) Why do some people call it the Fruvous FAQ? 3) Who maintains the FAQ? 4) How can I make suggestions/corrections to the FAQ? 5) Where can I get the FAQ? Section: Fruvous Internet Resources 1) Is there an official web page? 2) Is there an IRC Channel? 3) Is there a newsgroup? 4) What is ammf@fruvous.com? 5) I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from ammf@fruvous.com. What should I do? 6) My server's newsfeed is horrible. What can I do? 7) How do I unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway? 8) I don't want to unsubscribe, but I'm going away for a week. Can I ask the Mail<-->News gateway to not send me mail for a bit? 9) alt.music.moxy-fruvous is too high traffic, but I still want to read it. Is there anything I can do? 10) Is there an archive of alt.music.moxy-fruvous? 11) What is alt.fan.moxy.fruvous? 12) What is the "newsgroup pin"? 13) Do the band members read the newsgroup? 14) Are there any major fan web pages? 15) What happened to Josh Cragun's and Bill Bowen's web pages? 16) What's an umlaut? How do I make one? 17) I don't seem to be getting any posts from the Mail<-->News Gateway. What should I do? 18) I'm sending email through the Mail<-->News Gateway, but people who use news to read the group don't see it. Why? Section: Basic Moxy Fruvous Information 1) Who is Moxy Fruvous? 2) What does "Moxy Fruvous" mean? 3) What is a Fruhead? How can I become a Fruhead? 4) What is the "Fruhead Card"? 5) What is the "Frumiles Card"? 6) My Frumiles Card expires at the "end of the millennium." Is that December 31st, 1999, or 2000? 7) Where is the band currently touring? 8) Why has the band toured more in the United States than in Canada lately? 9) Why does the band frequently play at restricted venues that don't allow underage people in? 10) There seems to be frequent mention of taping at Fruvous shows and trading of these tapes. What's the band's policy on that? 11) Is there any connection between Moxy Fruvous and the soft drink Moxie? 12) I ordered my merchandise four weeks ago from Fruvous and I haven't received it yet. What gives? 13) What's the best thing I can do to help support the band? 14) What's the story behind "The Troc"? What happened? Section: Mike, Murray, Jian, and Dave 1) On stage, who is who? 2) Why is Jian's name written as Jean in liner notes and older articles? 3) How do you pronounce Jian Ghomeshi? 4) Is Dave gay? bisexual? How about Murray? Jian? Mike? Section: The Albums 1) What albums does Moxy Fruvous have out? 2) Why aren't all the albums in stores? Where are they available? 3) What if I can't get any of the albums at stores? 4)* Does the band ever put out singles? 5) Does the band ever make videos? 6) Is there any connection between _You Will Go to the Moon_ and the children's book of the same name? 7) What is the Indie Cassette I keep hearing about? 8)* Where can I get the Indie Cassette? Section: Songs and Lyrics 1) Where can I get a copy of "Green Eggs and Ham"? 2) Where can I find the lyrics to "Johnny Saucep'n," "Your New Boyfriend," etc? 3) Where can I get translations of the French songs? 4) Where can I find tabulature for Fruvous songs? 5) Where can I find vocal sheet music for Fruvous songs? 6) Where can I find sound files of Fruvous songs? 7) Which band member wrote which songs? Do they collaborate? 8) What's the song that they perform with the refrain, "Hey little bird, fly away home"? 9) Is it a female voice or Mike's voice during the intro to the studio version of "Green Eggs and Ham"? 10) Who says "Swing it" on the studio version of "Gotta Get a Message to You"? 11) Is the "Lowest Highest Point" really in Delaware? 12) In "King of Spain," the King plays crokinole. What IS crokinole? 13) What songs that Moxy Fruvous regularly performs are actually covers? Section: Fruvous Characters 1) Who is Larry Boniface Clebdon? Who is Barry? 2) Who is Lazlo? 3) What's a Laika? 4) Who is Dusty Fosterbourd? 5) Who is Grandpa Fruvous? 6) Who is Lou? 7) Who is Marion Fruvous? 8)* Who is the Naive Young Chap? Section: Fruvous-Related Links and Information 1) What other bands might a fan of Fruvous be interested in? Credits Appendices: Appendix A - An explanation of why age restricted venues exist and bands play at them Appendix B - alt.music.moxy-fruvous newsgroup definitions and etiquette suggestions Appendix C - common acronyms seen in alt.music.moxy-fruvous Section: FAQ Facts 1) What is the alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ? The alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ (a.m.m-f FAQ, or just the FAQ from here on out) is a frequently asked questions list that is a resource for newcomers and old timers of the internet NNTP newsgroup alt.music.moxy-fruvous. It is intended to answer many of the commonly recurring questions that are posed to the newsgroup so that the members there are not continually answering the same questions. Note that the a.m.m-f FAQ is not gospel. It is fan maintained. Sources are cited where they are known and every attempt has been made to give information in as neutral a way as possible. But the maintainer is only human (and at this time at least, a quite opinionated human at that), and at times some inkling of their opinions may seep in. Feel free to complain if you disagree. 2) Why do some people call it the Fruvous FAQ? The a.m.m-f FAQ does contain some good general Fruvous information that does not relate directly to the newsgroup. Any fan may find the information here useful, even if they do not have the time or desire to read the newsgroup. Also, "Fruvous FAQ" is much easier to say and type than "alt.music.moxy-fruvous FAQ" or "a.m.m-f FAQ." 3) Who maintains the FAQ? The original maintainer of the FAQ was Colleen Campbell. She researched, wrote up, and maintained the FAQ from its birth until August of 1999. Her work on the FAQ is very much appreciated, and the Fruvous community owes her a debt for her hard work. The second and current maintainer of the FAQ is Chad Maloney. Chad has been a Fruvous fan since July 1997 and posts frequently (if not very frequently) to a.m.m-f. He can be reached at Chad@fruvous.com and gladly accepts any and all email. 4) How can I make suggestions/corrections to the FAQ? Your input to this FAQ is very valuable. If there's something you disagree with, that you want said in a different way, or that you want added to or removed from the FAQ, please email the current FAQ maintainer. They should happily talk with you about your addition and give you feedback on the request. The email address ammf-faq@fruvous.com is setup for the current FAQ maintainer. Please do NOT post your FAQ input to a.m.m-f. The FAQ maintainer needs to keep a record of all requests so that they are processed accordingly. Due to problems with newsfeeds, every post to a.m.m-f may not make it to the maintainer. Please DO email the FAQ maintainer at ammf-faq@fruvous.com. 5) Where can I get the FAQ? The a.m.m-f FAQ is available in a couple of different ways. It is posted monthly to the newsgroup alt.music.moxy-fruvous. It is also available on the web at http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html. You can also request the FAQ from the ammf-faq autoresponder. To do this, simply send an email to ammf-faq-request@fruvous.com and the FAQ, split into sizeable chunks, will automatically be emailed to you. Finally, you can request that the FAQ be emailed to you by emailing ammf-faq@fruvous.com and requesting the latest version of the FAQ. The FAQ maintainer will forward you the FAQ when they get the email. Section: Fruvous Internet Resources 1) Is there an official web page? Yes, there is. http://www.fruvous.com (Fruvous Dot Com or FDC) is the official Moxy Fruvous web page and an amazing resource for Moxy Fruvous fans. The site is one of the best band websites around and contains an up-to-date tour itinerary, song lyrics, articles, guitar tab, and show reviews. Reviews posted to alt.music.moxy-fruvous usually make their way onto the site or they can be emailed to webmaster@fruvous.com. The site is maintained by Chris O'Malley and any questions about it should be sent to him at webmaster@fruvous.com. Moxy Fruvous Corp also has registered the domain moxyfruvous.com for future use. 2) Is there an IRC Channel? Yes, there is probably more than one. The one that many a.m.m-f denizens frequent is #MoxyFruvous on the Undernet. More information about that channel is available on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/irc.html. You can probably find Moxy Fruvous channels on EFNet and DALnet as well under various names. 3) Is there a newsgroup? Yes, there is. alt.music.moxy-fruvous (for which this FAQ is written) is the Usenet group for discussion of Moxy Fruvous. For a simple etiquette guide to alt.music.moxy-fruvous, see Appendix B of this FAQ. To access the newsgroup using NNTP, choose your favorite newsreader (like TIN, Netscape Messenger, Outlook, etc) and look in the alt.music hierarchy for moxy-fruvous. You also need a news provider. If you are in school, you may have to request that alt.music.moxy-fruvous be added to your school's news server. You can also use a free NNTP service like Deja.com to read the newsgroup or there are several great news service providers that are available for relatively little money. NewsGuy, for example, works extremely well for some people ( http://www.newsguy.com ) and is very inexpensive. AOL has their own newsserver and the newsgroup is available there. To get to it, go to the keyword "newsgroups", then "add newsgroup." Search the alt.music hierarchy for alt.music.moxy-fruvous and then subscribe. Note that NNTP and the graph of newsservers is not wholly reliable. Sometimes posts may be lost or come in out of order. Deja.com is usually very complete, as is NewsGuy. See question #6 for some alternatives to using a bad newsserver. 4) What is ammf@fruvous.com? ammf@fruvous.com is the email address of the Mail<-->News Gateway. Sending email to ammf@fruvous.com will post the contents of the email to the newsgroup with the subject provided. This is how the Mail--->News half of the gateway works, so that when you reply to a message sent by the gateway, it goes to the newsgroup. The Mail<-->News gateway provides a way to receive the contents of the alt.music.moxy-fruvous newsgroup without using an NNTP newsreader. Instead, once you subscribe, each posting to the newsgroup is emailed to you directly. Note that there is still an NNTP server behind the Mail<-->News gateway, so there may be posts out of order or left out, like when using another NNTP server. The contents of the list are also available in digest form. See question #9 for more information. For more information about the Mail<-->News Gateway, see http://www.fruvous.com/other.html 5) I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from ammf@fruvous.com. What should I do? If you aren't subscribed to the Mail<-->News gateway, something is really wrong. If you are subscribed to the Mail<-->News Gateway, then probably someone else is having mail problems and is bouncing mail to the list. Please send an email to owner-ammf@fruvous.com regarding the problem and they will work it out. Forward the bounce there and they will fix the problem as promptly as possible. 6) My server's newsfeed is horrible. What can I do? You have a couple of choices. You could pay for a better NNTP service from a company like NewsGuy ( http://www.newsguy.com ). If you have patience, you can use a free NNTP service that has a good newsfeed like Deja.com. The interface to Deja is a little awkward, but it does work. The web site http://www.fruhead.com has a web interface into a.m.m-f available as well. Finally, you can subscribe to the Mail<-->News gateway which is already hooked up to a good newsfeed. To subscribe to the Mail<-->Gateway (which will email you everything posted to alt.music.moxy-fruvous and allow you to email ammf@fruvous.com to post to the newsgroup), see http://www.fruvous.com/other.html. It has information on the Mail<-->News Gateway. Note that the web interface on FHDC uses the Mail<-->News Gateway for its newsfeed. 7) How do I unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway? To unsubscribe from the Mail<-->News gateway, you need to unsubscribe from the mailing list ammf@fruvous.com. If you are unsubscribing from the address that is subscribed to the list, you simply need to send an email to ammf-request@fruvous.com with the single word "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. Otherwise, you're request will need to be authorized manually. You can email owner-ammf@fruvous.com for help with that process. If you are subscribed to the digest version, send your email to ammf-digest-request@fruvous.com following the instructions above. Please don't include your .sig in messages to the ammf-request address as it may mess up the automatic processor. See http://www.fruvous.com/other.html for more Mail<-->News gateway information. 8) I don't want to unsubscribe, but I'm going away for a week. Can I ask the Mail<-->News gateway to not send me mail for a bit? Nope. Sorry. The mailing list software behind the Mail<-->News gateway is Majordomo, which doesn't allow you to remain subscribed, while temporarily shutting off distribution of mailing list messages to your email address. To do this, you'll have to unsubscribe then resubscribe when you return. 9) alt.music.moxy-fruvous is too high traffic, but I still want to read it. Is there anything I can do? The best thing to do is to subscribe to the Mail<-->News gateway in digest form. In digest form, you will receive one large email containing a number of posts to the newsgroup instead of each one individually. You can then read the one message, instead of individually reading the 40 messages contained in it. To do this, email ammf-request@fruvous.com with the message body containing "subscribe ammf-digest". 10) Is there an archive of alt.music.moxy-fruvous? There are two easily available archives of the newsgroup. The first is provided by the Mail<-->News gateway, which archives all digests it sends. They are available for download at http://www.smoe.org/lists/ammf but you can't search or easily navigate through the digests. Deja.com archives a great portion of Usenet for your use. It provides robust searching of newsgroup articles back to 1996. 11) What is alt.fan.moxy.fruvous? alt.fan.moxy.fruvous is the old Moxy Fruvous newsgroup. People now use alt.music.moxy-fruvous for discussion of the band Moxy Fruvous. The newsgroup in the alt.fan hierarchy is no longer used because it was not petitioned properly in alt.config before the "add group" message was given to NNTP servers. Because of this, the alt.fan group is not available in many places. The alt.music group was (eventually) properly setup and should be available on a wider range of servers. An attempt was made to remove the alt.fan group from Usenet, but this isn't really feasible because NNTP servers aren't organized at all. Most posts to alt.fan.moxy.fruvous get immediate replies from kind fans referring them to alt.music.moxy-fruvous. 12) What is the "newsgroup pin"? alt.music.moxy-fruvous is a pretty cohesive fan group and many of us have developed a taste for meeting up with each other at Fruvous shows. To identify each other, the newsgroup came up with the a.m.m-f pin, originally distributed by Vicky Brasseur to those who sent her an SASE. There are a limited number of fans still using these old buttons, but Vicky is no longer distributing them. If you are at a show, look for Fruheads wearing a 2" white pin with black lettering, "alt.music.moxy-fruvous" on the top, "have modem - will travel" on the bottom, with the "Barry" creature (from the back of _The B Album_) in the center in full color. An image of the a.m.m-f pin (or ng pin) is available on FDC at http://www.fruvous.com/miscpics/frupin.gif The newsgroup pin seems to be in less use than it was during '97. Many of the newsgroup regulars became very familiar with each other in that period and identification pins became rather extraneous. There are a lot of new a.m.m-f'ers out there, though, and it would probably help us all meet each other if we kept the pin in common use. In August of 1999, Chad Maloney ( Chad@fruvous.com ) had a new batch of the old buttons reprinted. He has information on how to get an ng pin available. See http://www.fruhead.com/users/Chad/ammf-pin.html for more information about getting a button. 13) Do the band members read the newsgroup? Jian has admitted in front of fans that he does skim the newsgroup occasionally. It's also been said that Murray and Mike have seen the newsgroup before. Even though members of the band occasionally see the newsgroup, the newsgroup is not for communication with the band members. Many, many people read the newsgroup to discuss Moxy Fruvous, and the last thing they want is people posting personal messages to Murray, for example. There are much better ways to communicate personally with the band than to use the public newsgroup. Please remember that the newsgroup is a public forum and what you write may be seen by any number of people, including band members. 14) Are there any major fan web pages? FDC has a links page for many fan pages in its "Moxy Online" section available at http://www.fruvous.com/other.html. Also, http://www.fruhead.com (or FHDC for you acronym buffs) has a "Fruhead Links" section with Fruvous-related links on it. FHDC itself is a fan web page and resource for Fruheads kept up by Josh Woodward. 15) What happened to Josh Cragun's and Bill Bowen's web pages? Bill Bowen's, known also as the "Fruvous Supplement," lost web space quite a while ago. He has since allowed Chris O'Malley to include his web page on FDC. Josh Cragun's, which was originally the "official" Fruvous homepage but hadn't been updated in over a year, disappeared over a year ago. The "jcragun" account was removed from the server, possibly because Josh is no longer at school. Chris has, however, moved some of the articles, lyrics, and other tidbits from those pages to FDC with the permission of their previous owners. 16) What's an umlaut? How do I make one? An umlaut is the technical name for the two dots that are above the "u" in Moxy Fruvous in all the band's printed materials. In other languages, things like umlauts modify the pronounciation of a specific letter. For example, the u-umlaut in German sounds like a ue, and is sometimes written that way in electronic media where no umlaut is available. How to make an umlaut on your computer depends on the computer you use and the character set it is configured for. On most Windows PCs, the ascii code 129 is used for the lowercase u-umlaut. To make it, hold down the ALT-key and, using the numeric keypad on the far right of your keyboard, type 129 then release the ALT-key. The result should be a lowercase u-umlaut that will be visible for people using Windows. But, for some people using a different character set usually on UNIX, what you just made will show up as junk. It is this character set difference that keeps this FAQ from using umlauts for Fruvous and that causes many people to not use them in IRC or on the newsgroup. Not everyone sees it as an umlaut. Normally, when someone sees a word that is Fr^vous for example, they realize what it says, but it's usually best to stick to Fruvous without the umlaut if you want it to look decent on all computers. 17) I don't seem to be getting any posts from the Mail<-->News Gateway. What should I do? Don't panic. a.m.m-f gets a lot of traffic and you probably notice when something is awry with some part of the Mail<-->News Gateway. There are a couple steps in the process that could be the problem and any diagnosis you can do on your own will benefit both you and others. The first thing to check is your email account. Do you have an email quota that you are violating because of too much mail? If you are in violation of your quota, your ISP may be automatically bouncing new messages addressed to you back to the sender. Are you getting other email alright? If so, there's probably nothing wrong with your mail account. Your ISP can probably help you figure out if you are having problems with your email service. The Mail<-->News Gateway works by taking mail from an NNTP newsserver it uses and forwarding it to a majordomo mailing list. There are a couple places where this whole process can be gummed up. The newsserver the Mail<-->Gateway uses may be having problems, there could be space problems on the machine that manages the majordomo list, or any of myriad of other problems. The proper thing to do when you've determined the problem isn't your email is to send an email to owner-ammf@fruvous.com and explain your problems. They will help you as soon as they can. Please don't send "I'm not getting any posts" messages to the newsgroup. The correct and direct way to get the problem fixed is to alert owner-ammf@fruvous.com of the problem. 18) I'm sending email through the Mail<-->News Gateway, but people who use news to read the group don't see it. Why? To send posts to the newsgroup through the Mail<-->News Gateway, you have to send email to ammf@fruvous.com. This is the correct address and the only address that will post your message to the newsgroup. The Mail<-->News Gateway is currently housed by smoe.org and ammf@smoe.org is a valid email address, but is NOT the address of the Mail<-->News Gateway. Mail sent to this address will be distributed only to those people who subscribe to the gateway. People who use NNTP news services or Deja won't see the post. The solution is to use ammf@fruvous.com, which will automatically submit a NNTP news post for you that will then be distributed to Deja and other NNTP news service providers, including the Mail<-->News Gateway itself. [End part 1/4] ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #124 ********************************************