From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #115 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, February 27 2000 Volume 04 : Number 115 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Life is unfair, get over it. [lawrence solomon ] Re: prom or fruvous? ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: What would the lads think of all this? [Tom Salyers ] Re: Disclaimer [Tom Salyers ] Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story [lawrence solomo] Re: was FruCon part II, now "Can't we all just get along?" [Luella Benn <] RE: fingers everywhere [shellyus@aol.comnojunk (Shelly S)] RE: was what would the lads think of all this....Now FruCon 4? [shellyus] Re: Other Bands [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO)] Re: What would the lads think of all this? [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lor] In Dayton newspaper: ["FruMom" ] Re: prom or fruvous? [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com)] Re: Life is unfair, get over it. [Mike Wood ] Re: Someone died and handed me a soapbox [Mike Wood ] Re: OT: going nuts with a puzzle [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: Moxy Fruvous stickers? [Brent & Mar ] Cruel Fates [SnarkiFru ] Re: prom or fruvous?, now how many questions have I posed? [Katie Harima] Re: prom or fruvous?, now how many questions have I posed? [leaben@aol.c] Re: wes lafayette!!!! [Lisa Carpenter ] Re: Other Bands [] Re: prom or fruvous? ["Gramcracker" ] Re: prom or fruvous?, now how many questions have I posed? ["Kate Leahy" ] Re: prom or fruvous?, now how many questions have I posed? [leaben@aol.co] re: fingers everywhere! [saphiracat83@aol.com (SaphiraCat83)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:15:38 -0500 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: Life is unfair, get over it. wahrend@my-deja.com wrote: > People cut in line. It happens all the time. In fru-shows and > otherwise. I don't do it, many others don't either, some do. > > Thats life, life is unfair, get over it. um, no. it's that kind of apathy that allows such things to continue happening. you can't excuse people's behaviour by saying "life is unfair," nor can you just dismiss injustice by saying "life is unfair." if something is unfair and unjust, people should work to change it, not just sit back and say "that's life." if someone does something inappropriate at a show, they *should* be called on it. and I've seen plenty of arguments about concert etiquette on this newsgroup, and the bottom line is first come, first serve. there isn't anything that can be done to truly enforce that, but setting an example and pointing out when someone is out of line is a good start. - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:28:25 -0500 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: prom or fruvous? >Aaaugh.. Do I go to my prom? Or to see fruvous? Go to your prom. Please. You only have one senior prom, and Früvous plays upstate New York more than they change their socks. - --Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com "And in all the idiots I see Thoughtless men casting doubts on me . . . Enlightening . . ." - --Guster ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:45:07 -0700 From: Tom Salyers Subject: Re: What would the lads think of all this? In article <009301bf815f$8fe21d60$396ddac7@hodgess>, hodgess@marietta.edu (Stephanie Hodges) says... > I think the original point was that YES, many of us will DIE if there's no > FrüCon 4. ;) Otherwise we'll have to arrange that FrüCon 3.5. In June. > In Colorado. *big grin* *Hell* yeah! =) All you Fruheads come out west for a change, and do it while the weather's nice! We'll leave a light on for ya. =) - -- | "I could really use to lose my Catholic conscience Tom Salyers | Cuz I'm getting sick of feeling guilty all the time Denver, CO | I won't abuse it--yeah, I've got the best intentions | For a little bit of anarchy but not the hurting kind." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:35:26 -0700 From: Tom Salyers Subject: Re: Disclaimer In article <38B983FE.9D262BD3@2cowherder.com>, cookie@2cowherder.com (cookie) says... > This brings up a kind of fun question: What famous person would you sleep > with JUST FOR BRAGGING RIGHTS? This has to be someone that you're really not > attracted to, and it would probably take a LOT of liquor to get through the > night, but you'd do it just so you could tell everyone you did? Hm.....I had to think for a while about this one, but my choice is (drumroll)....... Doctor Ruth. You *know* she's gotta be good. - -- | "I could really use to lose my Catholic conscience Tom Salyers | Cuz I'm getting sick of feeling guilty all the time Denver, CO | I won't abuse it--yeah, I've got the best intentions | For a little bit of anarchy but not the hurting kind." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:41:07 -0700 From: Tom Salyers Subject: Re: Disclaimer In article <38B98910.31BFD6E1@2cowherder.com>, cookie@2cowherder.com (cookie) says... > How about the other side? Actually, this one is harder: What famous person > would you sleep with, but would rather die than let anyone know? It's a tossup between Yeardley Smith (loved her on "Herman's Head") and Megan Mullally (the snotty assistant on "Will and Grace"). I seem to have some sort of secret desire for squeaky-voiced women...either that or a helium fetish. - -- | "I could really use to lose my Catholic conscience Tom Salyers | Cuz I'm getting sick of feeling guilty all the time Denver, CO | I won't abuse it--yeah, I've got the best intentions | For a little bit of anarchy but not the hurting kind." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:52:31 -0500 From: lawrence solomon Subject: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > Whaat? In all the hubbub I think this little passage may have gotten > lost, but I don't think it is healthy to just let it go. Gella, what > exactly are you alluding to here? Who exactly do you consider to be the > "Inner Community" and what is the sickening elitism that you've > experienced? I'm not sure exactly what elitism Gella is referring to, but I've seen some of what I consider to be elitism, that has been referenced elsewhere in this thread, and I have just a few of things to say... being a Fruhead is *NOT* a competition. there is no such thing as a "better" Fruhead, regardless of how many shows they go to, how far they go for a show, what kind of relationship they have with the band members, knowledge of the band, or how much money they spend on Fruvous related items. being a Fruhead is like being a geek - if you don't want to be one, you don't have to, but if you consider yourself one, you are. and it is not something to be ashamed of. being a Fruhead doesn't make one a better person than someone who isn't a Fruhead. it's a matter of personal taste and personal choice. being a Fruhead entitles one to nothing special, whether that's having a particular spot at a show, or in the line, or whatever. if these are all held to, does Fruhead still have meaning? of course! it has as much meaning as anyone is willing to give it, and the fact that it does bring people together should make us all glad to be Früheads. I've met way too many interesting people to want it any other way. - -- lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com "You knew it was true, when I held you, there were no secrets. I believed it." -Moxy Früvous, _I Will Hold On_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:36:44 -0500 From: Luella Benn Subject: Re: was FruCon part II, now "Can't we all just get along?" Lori at fruhead dot com wrote (a TON of nifty stuff most of which has been snipped here)! It was neither Anna! or Neek who was wearing the "touch me feel me" shirt alluded to in previous posts. I am certain that I get to claim that honor, as well as the honor of being amongst the 'pot' and 'bowl' yelling groupie chicks. And, whilst I have no desire to get myself caught up in this battle, or to prolong it any more; I can not stop myself from what I am about to say (may the goddesses forgive me). By the same person who hast bestowed these other great honors upon me and several of my friends there was another, although it never quite made it this far in public. To my posse, or clique or whatever it is that we are currently pigeon-holed and classified as I ask that we embrace our new honor of being the 'freaky girls' as in, and I quote directly: "I want to go to the bathroom, but those freaky girls standing behind us will steal my spot." I mean this is no way to be an attack on anybody in this here all embracing fruhead community. For the identity that was originally forced upon me by people who didn't care enough to take five minutes to get to know me a little, has becoming the identity I now hold dear to myself: I am the groupie-girl, fish-girl, line-crossing, 'touch me shirt wearing', twinkie. And my name is Luella. Spuh. > > But I also know that as large groups of people go this is an uncommonly > accepting and welcoming one -- online and in person. And words that seem to > ridicule or demean or scorn -- and pointedly offset oneself from -- what is as > a whole a kind and un-self-centered group of people, or specific individuals > within that group, make me angry, as Vika said they made her angry. If some of > the people you met didn't seem friendly, that "makes it real", as another > Fruhead put it concerning similar experiences at FruConII. Nothing's perfect, > and not everyone is going to be your best bud. But that doesn't mean that > Lee's Palace, or the line outside, or the conference room is filled with 400 > people who are ALL JUST AS UNFRIENDLY (or reserved, or disinterested in you, > or groupie-ish, or whatever.) And maybe if judgment were withheld for just a > few more minutes, until you figured out the source of the dissonance, you might > find you get along with them a little better than you first thought.[2] > > Anyway, I think that's about all I have to say for now. And I guess it's > enough. :) > > -- Lori > Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru > ************* > No, hippiechyk, I'm not going to nauseate you by quoting GWS here. :) > > [1] Actually I met Chad in a much more memorable way, which a certain table of > silly women at the Bottom Line would much rather forget about ... :) > > [2] Question: who had the touchy-feely shirt? Anna? Or Neek? :) ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2000 23:38:06 GMT From: shellyus@aol.comnojunk (Shelly S) Subject: RE: fingers everywhere Bravo to Bender!!!! I am a MAJOR peeps fan, but the blue ones REALLY DISTURB ME!!!!!! If they weren't such an un-natural blue, maybe I could get past it....like a baby blue....but day-glow blue???? YUCK!!!! For other peep fans, I suggest www.marshmallowpeeps.com(YES, they HAVE a website) Happy Peeping!!! Shelly "We're Hippies and Geeks"....Jian Ghomeshi(this one's for you, Car) ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2000 23:31:00 GMT From: shellyus@aol.comnojunk (Shelly S) Subject: RE: was what would the lads think of all this....Now FruCon 4? There HAS to be a FruCon IV so I can GOOOOO for once!!! I think that for the most part, (though obviously there are glitches and some bad experiences) that the Con proves successful & fun for all FruHeads(and I use the term loosley & guardedly after recent posts). I mean....really, folks....it can't have been THAT bad for "us" to think of not having one next year, Can it? Anyway, that's my read. Have a great evening! Shelly ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2000 21:45:30 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: Re: Other Bands *taking biiig breath* Matthew Sweet Michael Penn BF5 B-52's Lowen & Navarro (whose named piece of tape for setting mic stands were still on the stage at Martyr's for the Fruvous show, weeeeeee!) Honeydogs Del Amitri Jackopierce Luka Bloom Freedy Johnston Vertical Horizon Weird Al School of Fish/Josh Clayton-Felt Jellyfish/Grays/Jason Falkner/Imperial Drag Flaming Lips Urge Overkill Jeff Buckley Bela Fleck/Victor Wooten Chicago bands that I would like to get cooked to open for Fruvous sometime: Brad Peterson and his Band Dolly Varden Well, that's all I can think of just off the top of my head right now. Be assured, there's TONS more. Angel (Satan-81) ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2000 00:23:52 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: What would the lads think of all this? Neek said: >BTW, Lori, how'd you know? ****Lori sees all, knows all .... **** Of course I was wearing a fuzzy shirt! The >maple leaf one, in fact. :) And now I've apparently inadvertently launched the next phase of this paroxysm of amm-f in-fighting -- the War For Supremacy Of Title Among The Touchy-Feely-Fuzzy-Shirted-Freaks. Oh dear me. Fight nice, girls. ;) > However, I think it didn't get touched enough. >*glare.. you know who you are* :) Well, I woulda touched it if I'd been there. You do know that, don't you, love? (And I woulda touched Luella's, too. I'm not playing favorites here! :) ) - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:22:18 -0500 From: "FruMom" Subject: In Dayton newspaper: On Sunday, Feb. 27, I found this tidbit in the "Seen & Overheard" column in the Entertainment section of The Dayton Daily News: Just A Bunch Of Nutty Guys From Canada. Moxy Früvous, the manic musical foursome from Toronto, at a quickie sold-out show at Canal Street Tavern last Tuesday, voiced a major complaint about the Gem City, "There's no place to get a decent cup of coffee at night," Jian Ghomeshi wailed. Accosting uniformed strangers, they were directed to the Oregon District- "A District. Four bars on a cobblestone street." -where they gratefully inhaled espresso at the Oregon Emporium. If you've seen them, you know one thing this band doesn't need is more caffeine. Crowd loved 'em. by Hal Davis Thought this should be shared on the ng. Jian told the crown that coffee is his only addiction; he must have coffee, and downtown Dayton is all closed up after 6pm. Actually, he's right! It is Dead in Downtown Dayton after 6!! FruMom ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2000 00:38:19 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: prom or fruvous? Kate unfairly disparaged our boys' laundry habits: > You only have one senior prom, and Früvous plays >upstate New York more than they change their socks. Oh they SO do not! However, they *may* play upstate New York more often than they clean the changed socks out of the Frubus. - -- Lori whimsical Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:53:06 -0500 From: Mike Wood Subject: Re: Life is unfair, get over it. lawrence solomon wrote: > > you can't excuse people's behaviour by saying "life is unfair," > nor can you just dismiss injustice by saying "life is unfair." why not?? TMBG do it. =} Mike "maybe you should've written a catchy song like that guy did" Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:03:02 -0500 From: Mike Wood Subject: Re: Someone died and handed me a soapbox > Who died and put me in charge, eh? HEY now... let's not make mention of that "incident" again in a public forum. :\ Chris O'Malley must be rolling in his grave ;p - - Mike "Lt. Chen doesn't exist!!!" Wood - ---- "could that bassoon have come in any MORE late??? John Williams must be rolling in his grave." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:25:56 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: going nuts with a puzzle Nope, cuz when he brings the second cannibal over, theres already one over there, making two cannibals to one non cannibal. And that equals chomp. - --------> Ln, further avoiding work she should have done over vacation. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:01:51 GMT From: Brent & Mar Subject: Re: Moxy Fruvous stickers? We thought window decals would be great too! In fact, Marianne and I (designers of the FruCon 1, 2 & 3 shirts) e-mailed the band a couple of preliminary designs earlier this year, but we haven't heard anything regarding the idea recently. If you would like to see our preliminary designs, it's posted at: http://members.home.net:80/zone5/decal.htm Maybe if enough of us ask for window decals, it will happen. Brent and Mar NJSkedder wrote: > Hi, Does anyone know where I could get Fruvous window stickers. I would like > to put one up on my van. Are any available anywhere? Thanks, FredL. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:30:58 GMT From: SnarkiFru Subject: Cruel Fates As Meghan agonizes over prom vs. Fruvous... I sit here staring at my day-planner cursing the fates. I too have a conflict on the 29th... I actually will not be able to make a Fruvous Concert in my own proverbial back yard! *pout* That's the 1st Saturday of my Melodrama. However... should anyone be in town the for the weekend and want to catch opening nite on the 28th, call me for info :) This year it centers around a legendary vampire, and I play a mysterious and alluring (my director's words, not mine... *smirk*) Gypsy who supposedly ties everything together. I'm sure I'll have at least one song... first rehearsal is this coming Wed. So, while everyone is anxiously awaiting Fruvous to take the stage... I'll already be on stage no doubt with my mind somewhere else. poo! - --SnarkiFru They say that the Road to Hell is paved with good intentions... well, at least it will be a smooth ride - --me ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:22:55 +0900 From: Katie Hariman Subject: Re: prom or fruvous?, now how many questions have I posed? > Lori said: > > < the > changed socks out of the Frubus.>> Wow...this could open up several new threads...should I pose the questions? Should we perpuate this nonsense? Have the questions been posed? Is this nonsense? I'll end this madness (Is it madness?) by asking those questions: What kind of socks do the lads wear? What size? What brands? What make/model/type of vehicle is the Frubus? What do they keep in the Frubus? How do they manage to cram 6 guys and all their gear into one vehicle? When do they clean the Frubus? When do they change their socks? Does the timing of them changing their socks/cleaning said socks out of the Frubus have any correlation with tour dates in upstate NY? Should I shut up? Are you tired of my questions? If you're tired of my questions, why are you reading this? Do these questions beg to be answered? Are you ready to step up to the challenge of answering them? Does the idea of any of the lads in tube socks scare anyone else besides me? Is it true that Jian is allergic to wool? Is anyone gonna quote "Fell In Love" or have that song running through their head when they read this? Katie H.,...how many, if any, new threads have I spawned? > > ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2000 01:39:13 GMT From: leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender) Subject: Re: prom or fruvous?, now how many questions have I posed? >Wow...this could open up several new threads...should I pose the questions? >Should we perpuate this nonsense? (And so on and on and on) Is it just me, or is Katie here trying to start up the question game again? - -Bender - ---------------------------------- There are no laws, but there are evil fish - -Justin Vinci - ---------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:56:25 GMT From: Lisa Carpenter Subject: Re: wes lafayette!!!! Erica wrote: > Jian touched me!!!!!!!!(and betsy too!) carefull ladies! you're starting to sound like fishgirls! ::runs and hides:: >grin< prarieFrü ******************** and these were our words our words were our songs these songs are our prayers these prayers keep me strong and i still believe..... ******************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:26:42 GMT From: Subject: Re: Other Bands My favorite bands besides fruvous? Hmmmm.... BNL (the earilier stuff) Crash Test Dummies (ditto) TMBG (ditto) Arrogant Worms (especially Last Saskatchewan Pirate) Captain Tractor (espcially their cover of the above song!) Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie (aka Atomic Improv) Inconnu (YUKON SONG!!!) Wild Strawberries (the older stuff) GBS (pretty much everything...) The Miller Stain Limit (well they only have 1 album out...so I like that one! Weird Al ("Bad Hair Day", that's all I gotta say) Nearly all classical music, especially Tchaikovsky, but absolutely, positvely NOT Gershwin!! (ok so its not a band but it's good music Old style country (ie Johnny Cash) The Supremes (see below) Any other Duop (sp?) group (awesome groovin' tunes!) I figure that's about it...and pretty much anything that gets played on DNTO\Richardson's Roundup\Finkleman's 45's! - -- Cara Kozack "It's a reference to a _____ that you've never even heard of by\in a _____ that you probably don't even like." My e-mail at fruomffan@xoommail.com My world at http://www.crosswinds.net/~fruomffan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:29:53 -0500 From: "Gramcracker" Subject: Re: prom or fruvous? > Saturday, April 29, 2000 > Moxy Fruvous at S.U.N.Y. Geneseo > Saturday, April 29, 2000 > Meghan's Senior Prom > > Aaaugh.. Do I go to my prom? Or to see fruvous? > I can't decide! After much walking-around-the-house-muttering-under-my-breath, I've made up my mind. Prom. Because I'll have the world's keenest outfit. smoochies, meghan - -- - -------- "Life . . . is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that no one ever asks for. Unreturnable because all you get back is another box of chocolates. So, you're stuck with mostly undefinable whipped mint crap, mindlessly wolfed down when there's nothing else to eat while you're watching the game. Sure, once in a while you get a peanut butter cup or an English toffee but it's gone too fast and the taste is fleeting. In the end, you're left with nothing but broken bits filled with hardened jelly and teeth shattering nuts, which if you are desperate enough to eat leaves nothing but an empty box of useless brown paper wrappers." - -Cancerman, "Musings of a Cigarette Smoking Man" - -------- meghan@fruhead.com ICQ# 17903747 http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/4448 - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:18:12 -0500 From: "Kate Leahy" Subject: Re: prom or fruvous?, now how many questions have I posed? - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com "And in all the idiots I see Thoughtless men casting doubts on me . . . Enlightening . . ." - --Guster >What kind of socks do the lads wear? What size? What brands? What >make/model/type of vehicle is the Frubus? What do they keep in the Frubus? >How do they manage to cram 6 guys and all their gear into one vehicle? When >do they clean the Frubus? When do they change their socks? Does the timing >of them changing their socks/cleaning said socks out of the Frubus have any >correlation with tour dates in upstate NY? Should I shut up? Are you tired >of my questions? If you're tired of my questions, why are you reading this? >Do these questions beg to be answered? Are you ready to step up to the >challenge of answering them? Does the idea of any of the lads in tube socks >scare anyone else besides me? Is it true that Jian is allergic to wool? >Is anyone gonna quote "Fell In Love" or have that song running through >their head when they read this? Uhh . . . Mike Ford once said that Jenga was the secret to 6 guys and a pantload of equipment in the Frübus, but since they got the Wells Cargo Wagon, I don't think that's an issue anymore. They don't really clean the Frübus often . . . I know people who have lost things in there for months. Jian is indeed allergic to wool. Why would I have "Fell In Love" running through my head? - --Kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com "And in all the idiots I see Thoughtless men casting doubts on me . . . Enlightening . . ." ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2000 02:04:39 GMT From: leaben@aol.comBender (Leah Bender) Subject: Re: prom or fruvous?, now how many questions have I posed? >Why would I have "Fell In Love" running through my head? My best guess would be because of that "tangle of questions" she asked... - -Bender - ---------------------------------- There are no laws, but there are evil fish - -Justin Vinci - ---------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2000 02:03:03 GMT From: saphiracat83@aol.com (SaphiraCat83) Subject: re: fingers everywhere! >Why don't they just leave well enough alone and leave me >with my marshmallow peepety-peeps??? If anyone does anything, DON'T give peeps to Bender. I have seen her with Peeps, it's not pretty... :-) Say...I think she was on Peeps when we came up with our best inside joke ever... - -Saph (Who actually prefers s'mores to Peeps anytime) ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #115 ********************************************