From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #112 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, February 27 2000 Volume 04 : Number 112 Today's Subjects: ----------------- What would the lads think of all this? [brassgrl70@aol.com (Brassgrl70)] Re: Quiet confessions from a Newbie [Maggie Deegan ] indie tape for sale [scarletspectrum@my-deja.com] Re: WHOA, ya'll! (Was: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND) [spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1] Re: OT: going nuts with a puzzle [Michael Castleman ] Re: fingers everywhere! [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Re: What would the lads think of all this? [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Re: fingers everywhere! [SugarFly26@aol.com] Re: fingers everywhere! [Donna Hunt ] Re: Tickets on sale now! [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Re: Quiet confessions from a Newbie ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Disclaimer ["A.J. LoCicero" ] RE: was FruCon part II, now "Can't we all just get along?" [srm9988n@aol.] The wars [shellyus@aol.comnojunk (Shelly S)] Re: fingers everywhere! [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot co] Chicago - the second time around [winnie718@aol.com (Winnie718)] Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story ["A.J. LoCicero"] FruCon Pictures! ["Gramcracker" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Feb 2000 04:43:55 GMT From: brassgrl70@aol.com (Brassgrl70) Subject: What would the lads think of all this? My god, what would the lads think of this? They just wanted to have a celebration devoted to their fans and giving them what they want. Most likely they would be very dissapointed that this had to happen, when they send such a positive, fun-loving message. Maybe some people were over-tired and irritable from spending 10 hours in a car, adding to the frustration. Fruvous can draw such a varied amount of people, that the cliques were bound to happen. A lot of work was put into this event. Do we want a Frucon 4 or not? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 04:01:52 GMT From: Maggie Deegan Subject: Re: Quiet confessions from a Newbie Betsy, all i can say is that... for someone who's very new to this (unfortunately currently-inflamed ng) wow you said pretty much everything that i've been thinking for a long time. i didn't even want to get involved in this flame war thing, and i'm pretty glad that i haven't (unless this counts as getting involved). lots of other people (*sally* and "wild" Bill included) said lots of things i've been thinking too. good job. and hun, you *are* a frühead. :D ~Maggie~ - -- "I don't like Elmo. He rubs me the wrong way." ~ Gella Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 05:17:30 GMT From: scarletspectrum@my-deja.com Subject: indie tape for sale Hi, i have an indie tape that i would like to part with...the j-card is in great condition. i just don't have the original casette case that it came in. if anyone is interested, please e-mail me with an offer. thanks, Kelly *************************************http://fade.to/breadcrumbs********* Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Feb 2000 22:14:20 GMT From: spin0za1@aol.commmm (Spin0za1) Subject: Re: WHOA, ya'll! (Was: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND) Cookie, You're right... you weren't there. I'm not suggesting that Fruheads should get "special consideration." I'm not saying that Fruheads suffer more than anyone else. I'm not saying that going inside before the people on a line do is a horrible crime against humanity or any such. I don't think I've said any of those things. It was just something to think about. That we're all PEOPLE and we all have our pain and our issues and maybe we'd all have a better time in general if everyone remembered that about everyone else. It was a side note, not the main point. You know what, I'm just going to leave it there. No more. "To believe that knowledge is ignorance is noble. To believe that ignorance is knowledge is evil." - -unknown "You'll have to lose your mind before you can come to your senses!" - -Socrates, Way of the Peaceful Warrior Gella ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:14:25 -0500 From: Michael Castleman Subject: Re: OT: going nuts with a puzzle SaphiraCat83 wrote: > > Ok, here's how you do it: > N=Non Canibal > C= Caniball > > Step 1: 1 N, 1 C go across > Step 2: N comes back and 1 N and 1 C go accross > Step 3: 1 N comes back > Steph 4: 1 N and last C go over, 1 N goes back > Step 5: 2 N go over, 1 C comes back > Steph 6: Last N and Last C go over. > > I think that's right. Pretty sure. No, that's wrong, because, between steps 2 & 3, the N who's doing the ferrying would get eaten. Try: Start: 3N3C, 0N0C 01: 2C cross 3N1C, 0N2C 02: 1C returns 3N2C, 0N1C 03: 2C cross 3N0C, 0N3C 04: 1C returns 3N1C, 0N2C 05: 2N cross 1N1C, 2N2C 06: 1N1C return 2N2C, 1N1C 07: 2N cross 0N2C, 3N1C 08: 1C returns 0N3C, 3N0C 09: 2C cross 0N1C, 3N2C 10: 1C returns 0N2C, 3N1C 11: 2C cross 0N0C, 3N3C I'm sure I screwed up somewhere. But, oh well. - -- Michael Castleman, mlc67@columbia.edu +1 (530) 686-8623 (voice mail/fax, 24hrs/day) 1651 Lerner Hall, New York, NY 10027 "The minority is always right." -- Henrik Ibsen ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2000 06:34:40 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: fingers everywhere! >> I would've thought this group was about the *band* and the *music*. not who's upset at whatever.<< It usually is (well, about the band at least... the music occaisionally ;-). This is rare. Stick around, cause this too will pass. welcome. ~jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2000 06:30:09 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: What would the lads think of all this? >>Most likely they would be very dissapointed that this had to happen<< I don't think so, because it seems to me that everyone had a good time. Then people came home and had different perspectives on things, but it doesn't change the fact that they all enjoyed their weeknd. Well, that's how it looks from the outside at least... ~jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 06:41:01 GMT From: SugarFly26@aol.com Subject: Re: fingers everywhere! Hi, Chris. I'm Ln. See, normally we are about the band and the music (and old tv shows and childhood memories) [1] and actually your first post sounds a lot like mine was. (At the time I came to the ng, there was a big discussion about clothes, but I don't remember much about it.) It just happens that you picked a time to walk in during the middle of a flame war that I also don't quite understand. Stick around for awhile and you'll see that we're not always so hostile, and we do actually discuss Fru related things. Being familiar with the music, you've probably been to fruvous and fruhead.com and if not, check 'em out. and then there's mypoorgeneration.com, and uh...some other things...fruvous playground, but it's currently down, and ::cough:: Ln's Fruniverse... *cough, http://step-in.to/thefruniverse cough* and lots of neat stuff to see. Feel free to start something here about fruvous too, like a theory on a song or something. That happens a bit too. Hang around for awhile, it gets better. :) - -------------> Ln [1] Not too long ago, there were no shows to be reviewing and no new albums out or anything, so the main topics of conversation were nickelodeon and other favorite tv shows, and assorted childhood memories stemming from that. That likewise pissed some people off, because nearly everything was OT, and some people don't like OT. So, there's probably always gonna be something to annoy someone. But it's okay. Really. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:51:38 -0500 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: fingers everywhere! Christopher von Rinteln wrote: > :: walks in and has his eye poked out from all the finger pointing :: > > Yeh. Hi. I'm Chris, hailing from Columbia, MD, and U of MD, College Park. > I'm new to the NG, but not to the music.... > What the hell is going on? =) I would've thought this group was about > the *band* and the *music*. not who's upset at whatever. Hey Chris, Welcome to the roller coaster that is ammf. :) Don't mind us right now, as Phil posted earlier, we're obviously in the middle of our bi-annual "Everybody's just mad at everybody else" flame war. No worries. When folks calm down from the extravaganza that just happened in Toronto, (in my personal opinion, the angst that happens every time this year is simply from having too many folks together for too long a time--but that's just the teacher in me) :) We will start acting somewhat like a recognizable newsgroup. Although, we don't act much like a recognizable newsgroup when we aren't all mad at each other, either. :) Just hang on to your hats. This disagreement will blow over and sort itself out, and soon spring will be here and Fruvous will be back on tour and we'll remember that there's music and concerts to discuss. :) And then we'll argue about whether Murray is god or dead or both, whether the Shamrock Peeps are as good as the "original" chick Peeps, whether Jian wears deodorant or antiperspirant, and how if you're tall, heaven help you, man, because nobody wants to stand by you. :) Hee hee. [it was 70 degrees F in Cleveland today, and I already have Spring Fever. Hee hee!] Welcome, again, Chris. If you haven't already check out fruvous.com (FDC for those of us obsessed with anagrams) and fruhead.com (FHDC... ditto)--and give us a chance. Let us entertain you. ciao, donna PS I really really enjoyed FruCon. Nicely done. Swell Job. Fabulous. And, I was sick and tired and cranky and didn't want to talk to anybody--so what does *that* say about the whole thing?? ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2000 04:50:37 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: Tickets on sale now! >>(Once again proving that everyone in South Jersey is somehow related to everyone else. )<< Well, just to perpetuate this, my college roommate performed at that Collingswood theater when she was in high school. Perhpas that's what inspired her vocal participation in the fruvous show that night- she had seniority there ;-) ~jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 07:29:34 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Quiet confessions from a Newbie LilacGirl1002@aol.com wrote: > I realize that some people may not consider me a FruHead because I've only > been one concert and have only heard of Moxy Fruvous since October, but I > consider myself one, and I would fight to the death to remain calling myself > one. Nonsense! Why would you think that you would not be able to call yourself a fruhead just because you have only seen one concert? If you like Moxy Früvous you are a fruhead, pure and simple. We have fruheads on the newsgroup who live in other countries and have NEVER seen a live show. That doesn't make them any less Fruheads. Got it? :) How's THAT for inclusive? :D A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 07:11:18 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Disclaimer My my my my. I don't think I've seen this ugly argument rear its head since, I don't know when. Maybe as long ago as when Sharilyn told us all to basically fuck off and die. :) In any case this argument may well draw more attention from me as I wade through the posts, but here are the first things I feel compelled to respond to: frugals@my-deja.com wrote: > 4. During the year that I have been a fan of Fruvous, I have never been > taken into the "community" and therefore do not know anyone in the > newsgroup, as you do not know me. I have not passed judgement on you so > please do not pass judgement on me, if you have. You may feel that I > have, but all adjectives and adverbs in the post are quotings or what > have you from people that I overheard throughout the weekend. Amy, if you haven't been "taken into the 'community'" it is your own fault. Moxy Fruvous fans are some of the most open individuals that I've ever met. It is nearly impossible for anyone, no matter how shy, to not make friends here with even the slightest effort. If you have failed to do that, it suggests to me that you are holding yourself aloof from rest of the fruhead masses. Possibly you think that you are not as crazy as they are and you don't want to associate with them. Well let me tell you, as someone who once felt that way, it is a load of baloney. There are lots of people in the fruhead community who will prove to be great friends to you if you just give them the chance. And most of them are not nearly as crazy as you think. So all I can say to this is if you WANT to be part of the community, then come on down. If you are absenting yourself on purpose, then it is your loss. Don't whine to us about it. > 5. I am a fan first and a groupy second. Never allow the obsession for > the guys take precedence over the love of the music. That's my > philosophy. and that's not directed at anyone in particular or anyone > in general...I'm just sharing my philosophy because that is what the > newsgroup is all about. Heh. I'm not a groupie at all. Neither are any of the people I know. Again you seem to feel like you are somehow more sane than the rest of the people here. All I can say to that is think again. You arn't. A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2000 07:01:04 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: RE: was FruCon part II, now "Can't we all just get along?" Rachel Beck thought a lot and bravely delurked into a nightmare: >Disclaimers: > >1. I'm new here. >2. I'm cursed with cubist sight, which means I can't see anything from >one side. If you can't tell where I'm coming from, that's probably why. >. I >enjoyed the people around me enough so that it didn't seem all that cold. >Heck, I bear you no ill will for wanting to get warm and have a beer. The >only thing I ask you to reconsider is the scorn that I find implicit in >some of your newsgroup posts for those of us who were waiting outside. >Please, _everyone_, try to do what is reasonably within your power to >make sure that your neighbors at Frushows are having a good time. I'm >sure they will do the same for you. Let's give each other the benefit of >the doubt. I'm not really answering Rachel's post per se, and I'm probably going to ramble here. (Oh, like *that's* a shock.) I've been reading The Wars Of The Fruheads for the past hour or so, thinking to myself oh, geez, now I know why Gella seemed so sad last night, this is just depressing. And the reason I'm replying to Rachel's post is to welcome her to amm-f (pssst! check out the FAQ at http://fruvous.com!) and because she caused me to breathe a sigh of relief. Thanks Rachel! It takes guts to step into this insanity! And let me say I'm glad it looks like some newbie had a good time last weekend, and met people in Toronto she liked/respected/didn't have intense personal conflict with. I wasn't there. That's why I didn't answer any of the earlier posts, although I was tempted to bounce in with Gella's, and Vika's, and Angie's and Kate's. And that doesn't mean I'm ignoring Amy and Jordan and whoever else has posted either ... I've just been getting my bearings here. I have heard reviews of FruConIII weekend ranging from "marvellous" to "eh". That seems realistic to me -- it's going to be a different experience for different people. Even different aspects of the weekend will be high or low, as I found last year. If I'd gone this year, I think I'd probably have hung out a lot with the people I know, and maybe bumped into and hung out a bit with a half dozen people I hadn't met before, and overall it would have been a good time. But I didn't go - -- and I didn't sit at home cursing my lot either. Anyway, had I gone, if my limited interaction with people I don't know would have meant some people who don't know lots of people in the community would feel like I wasn't making an effort to meet them as well, I'm sorry. I don't try to be elitist. I don't have a particular clique or posse at shows -- unless, loosely defined, my "clique" is anyone who's willing to hang out with me for awhile. :) At practically every show I meet people I hadn't previously known, or even heard of on the newsgroup; it's one of the reasons I so enjoy hanging out with Fruheads. There's always someone new and interesting and friendly around. But a show, or even a weekend, is a short timeframe, and there's only so many people anyone can talk to. I can't say there's ever been a show or weekend when I've met (or remembered) more than a dozen new faces, with the exception of my first two shows after delurking onto amm-f, when I made a point of attaching faces and voices to as many of the cool people I'd been talking to online as possible. That first-two-shows business basically involved my either emailing them privately beforehand and arranging to meet ("I'll be a ditzy blond wearing a _______, stage Murray") or brazenly introducing myself to a plausible looking group. ("Hi, I heard Chrissy call you Chad -- are you Chad Maloney? I'm Lori Martin from amm-f -- we've talked about _____. "[1]) I guess what I'm saying is, if some Fruheads wanted to meet lots of people at FruCon and didn't, it's not necessarily because the other Fruheads were cliquish and unfriendly, but that they had other relationships to catch up on. That means that someone who's not *in* those pre-existing relationships but wants to build similar ones may have to try a little harder, make the first overture, or be persistent. If there's someone specific you want to meet, maybe it would help to arrange beforehand via email -- or just strike up conversations in line, as Rachel seems to have done successfully. Meeting people, especially people who already know other people at an event, requires some forwardness. Some of them may strike you as rude; some of them may be absorbed in their own conversations; but some (most, I'd say) of them will be more than happy to welcome a newcomer. Another note: had I been in TO I likely would have been one of the people standing in line, not because I'm brainless but because in my experience venue staff rarely lets you inside to use a *bathroom* before doors open, much less sit at the bar and suck down beers. That's why they call it "doors open." :) If Lee's Palace management actually welcomed this, all well and good -- but it strikes me that if they were working the bar, complaining about Fruheads standing out in the cold instead of standing inside drinking beer and tipping, maybe the staff could have been a little logical about this and mentioned to the bouncers that they should let the Fruheads in? It seems like there was a major miscommunication by Lee's Palace staff, and that's it's not the freezing Fruheads' fault that they didn't, from their perspective, storm the doors. If doors were open, why weren't the doors open? Why wasn't someone taking tickets and checking id's? And by the way, I've met an awful lot of Fruheads by doing a little time in those freezing-cold (or steaming-hot, or huddled-in-the-stairwell-escaping-the-rain) lines. That IS one of the ways you get to meet people -- not sitting in a bar talking to a grumpy crowd-dissing bartender and the people you came with. And if the people in your section of line aren't all that friendly -- bounce along to another section! There's always someone doing a singalong, or giving dance lessons, or SOMETHING that invites participation or amused friendly comment even from an unknown Fruhead. I guess I too have, as Rachel memorably put it, "cubist sight". I can understand the possibly hurt, possibly angry feelings of those who felt excluded by other Fruheads. I know that there are some Fruheads I don't get along with as well as others, that we're not all one happy homogenous community, and that there are some personality and ego conflicts. From a newcomer's perspective, if they happen to be surrounded by people who are either less-outgoing or less-friendly than they've been led to expect I can see that it might be offputting. But I also know that as large groups of people go this is an uncommonly accepting and welcoming one -- online and in person. And words that seem to ridicule or demean or scorn -- and pointedly offset oneself from -- what is as a whole a kind and un-self-centered group of people, or specific individuals within that group, make me angry, as Vika said they made her angry. If some of the people you met didn't seem friendly, that "makes it real", as another Fruhead put it concerning similar experiences at FruConII. Nothing's perfect, and not everyone is going to be your best bud. But that doesn't mean that Lee's Palace, or the line outside, or the conference room is filled with 400 people who are ALL JUST AS UNFRIENDLY (or reserved, or disinterested in you, or groupie-ish, or whatever.) And maybe if judgment were withheld for just a few more minutes, until you figured out the source of the dissonance, you might find you get along with them a little better than you first thought.[2] Anyway, I think that's about all I have to say for now. And I guess it's enough. :) - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru ************* No, hippiechyk, I'm not going to nauseate you by quoting GWS here. :) [1] Actually I met Chad in a much more memorable way, which a certain table of silly women at the Bottom Line would much rather forget about ... :) [2] Question: who had the touchy-feely shirt? Anna? Or Neek? :) ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2000 07:47:53 GMT From: shellyus@aol.comnojunk (Shelly S) Subject: The wars Here, here to Lori for trying to set the record/battles straight!!!!! Though I respect everyone's right to their own opinion & right to share their experiences, it has gotten to be a bit excessive this week. I say, it's time to raise a white flag, sit back, and enjoy the music of Fruvous without angst. Shelly ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2000 07:44:13 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: fingers everywhere! Donna brought us back on topic: > then we'll argue about whether Murray is god or dead or both, whether the >Shamrock Peeps are as good as the "original" chick Peeps, and how neither compares to the Halloween Ghost Peeps ... Donna, *how* could you leave out The Great Smarties Border War? whether Jian wears >deodorant or antiperspirant, no. Just no. except someone did go there just this week ... > and how if you're tall, heaven help you, man, >because nobody wants to stand by you. Wrong! I love standing with the tall guys! They provide great strategic advantage to shortstuffs by discouranging an onslaught of surging hordes from behind, thus giving actual *breathing room* to those near them! I stand proudly by Lawrence, Adam, Mosch, and sundry Cchads. :) >Let us entertain you. We're generally better at that than we have been this week. Really. - -- Lori Glitter Fairy/Tattooing Fru ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2000 07:35:04 GMT From: winnie718@aol.com (Winnie718) Subject: Chicago - the second time around Ok, I'll admit it. I very rarely post around here. But I'm coming out of the woodwork to say, "Did that show rock, or what?" So we didn't get to hear Drinking Song...oh well, two nights in a row may be too much to hope for. There was lots o' stuff to make up for it, including some fabulous banter. I'm sure someone more responsible than I am will post a setlist. The crowd was still pretty talkative...including the "Psycho Killer!" guys in back who apparently have big dicks. Woo hoo for them. I was stage Murray wearing a red shirt and was with my friend Taryn. She's very short so unless you look down you probably would miss her. Maybe I was standing near some of you fine folks. If so, I'd like to say, you were all very cool and unobnoxious. Hope I didn't step on anyone's toes! Fun Stuff... Dave's Charles Schultz tribute shirt (yellow w/ horizontal stripe) Murray's goin' 90...whatever that means, I like it...hehe The lounge lizard version of Psycho Killer Hearing Dancing Queen with an accordian...my life is complete in some way now. Mike's version of "Carmen" during Green Eggs. Jian confronting Dave about being an asshole during the same. Present Tense Tureen? Hey, that's a future cash cow. It'll happen. Ok...I'm sleepy. Anyone else? Fruvin' all the way home, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 08:05:51 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: FRUCON WEEKEND, part 2...the other side of the story Spin0za1 wrote: > I spent much of the ride home from Toronto discussing the > elitism in the "inner community" and how sickening it is. But I feel like I'm > caught in the middle with nowhere to go and everyone labeling everyone else > before they even talk to them and find out what they think and feel... it > hurts. Whaat? In all the hubbub I think this little passage may have gotten lost, but I don't think it is healthy to just let it go. Gella, what exactly are you alluding to here? Who exactly do you consider to be the "Inner Community" and what is the sickening elitism that you've experienced? As a fruhead of some 4 and a half years, and a member of the Con Committee, I guess that I must qualify as part of this "Inner Community". However, I am unaware of any elitism on my part, or on the part of anyone that I know. Quite the opposite, I think the long time fans that I know work to make the community as open as possible. Certainly we on the committee worked to make the con as inclusive an experience as we could. We wanted the con to be a place where people could meet each other and form new friendships. I'd like to think we succeeded, but if you have any ideas how we could do better next year, I'd like to hear them. A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:24:28 -0500 From: "Gramcracker" Subject: FruCon Pictures! If you're not all too busy snarking at each other to care, I spent several hours today scanning in my photos from frucon. check 'em out: http://www.buffnet.net/~cgrammer/fruvous there's some *good* pictures there. and because I can't resist: I've been busy for a few days, so I haven't seen most of the bitter/angry/defensive/whatever posts that have been going on, but I have a couple things to say... I had a great time at FruCon. I got to see the show on saturday, even though I'd gone to toronto expecting that i wouldn't be able to. I spent the entire time (between taking pictures) thanking the powers that be that I was there, watching my favorite band, with so many other people who loved the same band. I'd like to thank Moxy Fruvous for *existing.* It would take days for me to describe everything I've gotten from their music and their fans. I have nothing but gratitude for Fruvous. I am not jealous of people who've seen more shows than I have, or had more personal encounters with the lads, or who can travel farther to see them. Some of the best moments of my life have been at frushows, and I prefer to be thankful for those moments. In my experience, fruheads are nice people. However, they are also real people, and, as such, they can possess the same faults that real people possess. It's nearly impossible to be instantly accepted into anyone's social circle, even if the circle is made up of people who share a similar interest as you. ie fruvous. I love you all. Really, I do :) smoochies, meghan - ---- "The future looks like distant thunder 'cause I'm never sure that I'll get paid. And I'm pissed that I'm not gettin' younger, gettin' pretty, gettin' love, gettin' laid." -Moxy Früvous, "Earthquakes" - ----- meghan@fruhead.com ICQ# 17903747 Meghan's Humor Emporium: http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/4448 ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V4 #112 ********************************************